The scene where Tina shouts "Michael" and he yells back " *WHAT?!* " would have been so much better in H20 when Laurie shouts out Michael if he just shouted back in the distance " *WHAT?!* "
+Echoboomer1987 Yeah, they could have a fire sale on all sorts of Ben Tramer tribute rewards, the web traffic would come from out of nowhere and cause the site to crash into a huge explosion from people wanting to know "Is it him!? Is it him!?"
Having Tina replace Rachel is arguably the stupidest thing this film did. Killing her so early in the film didn't make me think "anyone could die this time!", but instead it made me think that the filmmakers gave up. Having Rachel die at the end while defending Jamie would've been somewhat emotional, as the audience learned to like those two characters and wanted to see them survive. Now when Tina gets killed, people just cheer because she was so annoying. It feels like they mixed up the characters by accident.
Meanwhile at the Illinois children's mental hospital. Jamie meets a new patient. *Jamie:* Hi. I'm Jamie. *Boy:* Hi. I'm Andy. *Jamie:* Where are you from? *Boy:* Chicago. Where are you from? *Jamie:* Around here. *Boy:* What are you here for? *Jamie:* I did something bad to my mom last Halloween. What are you here for? *Boy:* Last year, my Good Guy doll tried to kill me and nobody believed me. *Jamie:* ...Oh.
The reason Danielle Harris doesn't speak in a majority of Halloween 5 is because she had lost her voice due to all of the screaming, shouting and yelling she did in the previous movie. You can see evidence of this in the hospital scene. She tried to scream in response to waking from a nightmare but no sound came from her vocal cords. The rushed filming schedule did not allow her enough time for her throat to heal so her character Jamie was written to be a mute. It was a simple solution to what would have been a major problem.
I think it was meant as an homage to the various instances of skinny dipping in the Friday the 13th series. The Halloween sequels really ripped off more from Friday the 13th than F13 ripped off from the original Halloween.
One of the best jokes was: "A Halloween movie without Michael Myers being the killer is like a Jason movie without Jason being the killer! And Jason´s been the killer since the VERY beginning!"
Actually, that is not true. Jason was not the killer in the first "Friday the 13th." It turns out Jason's mother was the killer in that film. Also, Jason is not the killer in "Friday the 13th: A New Beginning." In that film it is a paramedic named Roy who dresses like Jason.
Halloween 5 makes me depressed, and not because it's a shitty movie, but because poor Jamie kept losing friends. Rachel and Tina, while flawed, were good-hearted people and cared about Jamie, and then they had to die. It was messed up. No joke: one time I watched 4 and 5 back to back and it brought tears to my eyes... and NOT because the movies were bad. But anyway, great review, Brad!
+ExplorerDS6789 I agree. I think because Jamie is just a little kid, it makes this movie a lot harder to watch as opposed to if she was a teenager. This movie is just non-stop horrible things happening to her. And of course it ends on an even bleaker note and you're just like goddammit give the kid a break already.
its part of the rules for slasher/horror movies. skanks getting killed is one of them. along with nerds, stoners, minorities, people that have premarital sex, fat people, douchebags, and mean jocks
+ExplorerDS6789 Not to mention, Halloween 6 has her grown up five years later, being used for cult purposes and killed (played by an actress who was 20 at the time. The studio didn't think to get somebody younger?) Jamie went through so much Hell in these movies.
I know, man. Thinking of Halloween 5 and 6 makes me feel depressed, as does thinking of Alien 3. But as for H5, I know many fans were upset by killing off Rachel. I remember last October, Ellie Cornell herself was posting on her Facebook fan page, liking and responding to pro-Halloween 4 and 5 messages.
You've gotta love the mercifulness and loyalty of Mr. and Mrs. Carruthers, forgiving Jamie so much for what she did that they ADOPTED her:) They knew what could've happened when they took her in and when it finally did they stuck by her AND got her the help she needed:) But my FAVORITE element of this one is the ALL TOO OBVIOUS relationship that's happened between Dr. Loomis and Rachel, seriously! After she's so upset when they talk outside the clinic--as if they've talked together MANY TIMES--it cuts to her SUDDENLY SO HAPPY walking home with Tina. Then she giddily showers to that random song that talks about eloping ("When we first met up, it started up all wrong..."). When she answers the phone and finds out it's him, she flops on her bed in her towel happily telling him she was in the shower and then sounds SO ANNOYED when he's calling about Jamie;) Plus Tina was going to bring a sexy costume for HER too and we just know they were going to stop by the clinic to 'check on Jamie' where he just so happened to be:) And Max seemed to know him well enough to be comfortable around him AND scared of him:):)
That would be interesting. But how in the fuck would Samuel Gerard deal with Myers once he caught up to him? Try to arrest him? Shoot him? As we know it's very hard to kill The Shape.
Dr. Loomis: He killed many people in 1978. Tommy Lee Jones: I am fully aware of that, you think I'm a moron? You'd have to be a goddamn fool to not know that.
I actually liked Tina and was sad when she died. Mainly because of Jamie's reaction tho. I was 10 when I first saw this so I didn't find Tina that annoying outside of being an older teenager or so
Am I the only one that actually loved Tina? She’s really different than any other “final girl” archetype and she cared for Jamie. She even died for her
For those unaware, Halloween 5 is a stitched together mess, an entire key plot point to the movie was removed, some shots remain in the film, like when Michael is floating down the river, he looks like a ragdoll, that's because he was actually dead, and the scene where he shows the thorn tattoo, he's laying on a stone slab, but when it cuts back he's on the hermits wood floor, the stone slab was leftover from a scene in which a voodoo priest tattooed the thorn symbol in order to resurrect Michael, there was also a scene where Michael completely destroys an entire police force in graphic detail....I'm not making any of this up, this movie is stitched together, I wanna see the original version that was rated NC-17.
Nice another person who missed that batman had gone so far down after 2o year s of fighting and lost his way after aliens destroy a city and kill his employees that lex is able to manipulate him into being dead set on murdering the other "hero" alien and when he is about to kill him the alien ask for him to save his mother in his last request who had the same name as Bruce's mother causing him to remember why he started fighting crime and showing him how far he strayed instantly embarrassing him and causing him to almost beg to be forgiven....but all you caught was a name and Ben Affleck shouting....geez
Okay, at around the 17 minute mark, I had this flash of a "what if". Y'see since the review started, it'd been bugging me, that Jamie reminded me of someone. At that moment, I realized she reminded me of Alessa from the Silent Hill franchise. Small, dark hair, borderline autistic, undefined psychic powers? CHECK! So as Michael's stalking towards her, I had this sudden flash of an air raid siren going off, the world melting around them, and Michael Meyers finds out he's been stalking the little girl from Silent Hill, and in her terror, Pyramid Head shows up and we get a battle of the Indestructible Murder Machines in a completely out of left-field crossover. Tell me that wouldn't' make this movie a hundred times better?
10:25 There's an interview with Donald Shanks where he says during the scene when Loomis collapses on top of Michael, Donald Pleasance said to him "I get it now. I abused you as a child."
So that means it's okay to leave a trauma child alone to go get dick at a Halloween party even when she has to physically speak to tell her it's too dangerous, prank cops by dressing up as a killer who's killed or scarred lives in the same town?
@@brandonspain12345well considering it was the foster sister of your friend, who you have no real attachment or commitment to, Tina was in her right to live her life, for the next two or so hours until she died
About the Hitcher that appears in this movie, the writers didn't even come up with a backstory for him. The one that's revealed in the sixth movie was thought up later. To quote Linkara, "You are not allowed to call yourself a writer, artist or even _creator_ if you can't even be bothered to come up with a backstory for the characters that _you are writing!_ Fortunately, there is something we _can_ call you, _lazy!_"
The film's first screenplay, which was written by Shem Bitterman, featured Jamie Lloyd and Michael Myers as dual antagonists, with a now-teenage Jamie going on a killing spree of her own, Myers attempting to kill her because she was unwittingly interfering with his own spree, and Rachel being caught in the middle. Executive producer Moustapha Akkad disliked the screenplay, feeling it felt more like a parody of the Halloween series than an actual entry in it, and also because he had already promised Danielle Harris that she would be allowed to return as Jamie, and did not think that the 12-year-old Harris would be credible as a serial killer. As a result, the screenplay was rewritten essentially from scratch by Michael Jacobs and director Dominique Othenin-Girard, though Bitterman remained credited for contractual reasons.
Its for the best, dual serial killers sounds silly and would feel like they just added Michael for branding. Add to it a 12 year old murder and you have something that is too upsetting for normal movie goers and too ridiculous for hard horror people. I do wish they would do a graphic novel series of failed Halloween movie ideas. I am curious if a couple of artists could make that work as well as the original draft of Halloween 6.
Out of all the Halloween sequels, this one and Resurrection were the only ones that I felt genuinely insulted while watching it. The Bulk & Skull officers, the "Michael just goes along with driving Tina to the party" scene, the portrayal of Loomis as an utter psychopath every time he interacts with Jamie.
Loomis was never remotely like a psychopath...he was strong and forceful...as well he had a RIGHT to be....The man had had ENOUGH...Halloween 5 was one of the very best movies in the series. Nothing insulting about it....if you liked the original, this is as close as the series ever came again to that tone and that substance...
I'm still shocked no one makes fun of Myers wearing a safety vest under his coveralls in the water rapid scene. It's so painfully obvious, they even made sure to leave it on him when he's climbing out of the water so you can clearly see it on his back. Dear God...
Halloween 5 is my favorite movie in the series. This movie had a decent plot for what it was and the suspense between Jamie and Michael Myers in the end was incredible. I also appreciated the acting, pacing and cinematography. The writing could have been better. It is not perfect by a long shot but I found it entertaining.
I agree. I also just love that it changes throughout. It feels like the main character changes several times, with Tina, Jaime, and Loomis, to the point you don’t know who will survive.
I love it too. The things that made the original so special, for me, were present in this sequel to a greater degree than is usually the case. Especially the patient, silent stalking sequences...those were far stronger in 5 than in any other entry in the franchise...and if they're the strongest in THIS franchise, that's as strong as it gets....
Exactly. It's Called Money !!! Fuck artistic integrity or following the logical storyline that Myers died at the end of part 2 - The Almighty Dollar Rules The World!
Their role in the film is always blown out of proportion. It was mostly their initial scene-with the asinine sound effects-that was the problem. And they even had one legitimately good line later on(it's the parents)...Like most things people criticize about Halloween 5, they only claimed a minute or two of actual screen time...
The absolute best part of this review is the comments of people thinking the clips of the talking dog were actually from in the film. Like Halloween 5 is so bad it has a talking dog that nobody ever mentioned
i love the start of part 5. i do hate that he kills the dude that took care of him but its michael. im just glad the bird was ok. but seeing him crawl out of the rocks and go down the river is fucking hilarious, hes just a board lol hes not moving or splashing or anything.
Rachel dying for getting naked in this movie is ridiculous. All she was doing was taking a shower. What was she supposed to do? Take a shower with her clothes on?! Give me a break!
Most of Halloween 5 and a little bit of Halloween 4 were filmed in Utah, i got to go to the park where they filmed Ted Hollister's death. It's a military memorial inside a large park.
For some reason when I was little I had this and Swamp Thing 2 recorded on a VHS and I seriously watched them once a week. I was glad to see that the movie actually has some creeping scenes and it wasn't just me being a dumb little kid thinking that it was actually good. Obviously, it doesn't compare with the original but I think it's still a really fun watch.
It would have been interesting if they made it a game of psycho killers with Jamie making her way through the asylum and Michael making his way through Haddonfield with those two having a showdown at the end
Thank you, Cinema Snob!!!! I don't mind them having the character in some sort of a coma for a year, but that the old man just leaves him in the bed for a year is head scratching lol
Nice, snob! thnx for doing this one also, love how u do it, man. Though, I went to see this one at the theatre as well as 4, I kept waiting for part 5 to get good and once it was over, it was another WTF and a lot of shaking heads.
People are hurling bricks into Jamie's room with notes saying "The evil child must die!!!!" yet Tina and her doberman are able to come in through the window... and I never see any guards. Seems like any nut could just slip in and kill that little girl.
TWO Halloween reviews in one month? First i finally see a full WWE PPV for the first time in months, watched the new OSW and now a new Cinema Snob episode on Halloween 5? It has been a wonderful two days, when NC and Sage's new episodes come out in a day, i'd be even more happy. XD
