Halloween is just a few days away, and now that the new series of retcon Halloween movies has concluded, I think this is a good time to revisit the original Halloween retcon HALLOWEEN H20! #HalloweenH20
The moment Laurie smashes the controls on the security gate, and grabs the axe, to start going on the offensive... Shouting Michael's name... As the Halloween theme starts playing for her... I get chills every time.
I never saw the sequel to H20 tbh - didn't realize it existed. But for 2018 it was 100% a disservice and obvious cashgrab. If you had to scrub H20 from the series, then 2018 was a great capper, and they absolutely ruined it with the non-plot sequels.
@@Fbacurau 2018 wasn't bad at all. I would have still kept the brother and sister arc. To make it seem Michael was randomly going after Laurie after several attempts makes no damn sense.
@@GonzoGoesToBitburg87 Did we watch the same movie? Towards the end Michael drives up to Laurie's house in the cop car. That's when he kills Karen's husband after killing the cops.
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Let’s never forget LL Cool J was the real hero of this movie. A security guard, romance writer, and POV character to acknowledge how ridiculous this whole ordeal is. I love this movie. You had Laurie, her son, Michael, and Laurie beheading tf out of her brother to break the cycle of trauma she’s burdened her kid with. It did everything the new movies did, but it didn’t have art house pretense. Only negative is that it didn’t push it further by referencing a daughter she maybe had to give away because she was an alcoholic mess.
For me, Jamie Lloyd definitely exists in this timeline. I always pretend Laurie had to give her up and then started new somewhere else. (I still also pretend that Halloween 6 never happened lol this is a choose your own adventure series)
Hi Jeremy how are you doing and what part of Washington are you from and Halloween h20 is the first Halloween teen slasher horror movie I watched in the movie theaters with my mom and my sister and my brother in 1998 and I did enjoyed the whole movie
Halloween/Halloween II/Halloween H20 is definitely the way I watch the series usually. Love the ending to H20. And after I finish those three, I watch Season of the Witch cause that movie is criminally underrated and I love it.
I think personally that if they had the series as 1, 2, H20, and then did the "Mike tricked her to kill someone else" thing they used in Resurrection, but used that for why Laurie was so traumatized in 2018, then had that be the final showdown, that probably would have been the perfect send off to the series, IMHO.
Halloween 3 is my absolute favorite Halloween movie! It kept with John Carpenter's idea of Halloween being an anthology of movies that take place during Halloween. I wish it could have continued like that.
First of all, Halloween H20 was the very first horror film I saw in a theater, so it holds an insane place in my heart. The ending of H20 does feel very satisfying, apparently that ending explanation in Resurrections, was planned all along. They even filmed those flashback bits during H20s filming
Yup even after watching 18. My first thought was damn, H20 was just better lol. Nothing beats Laurie screaming out for Michael to face her after 20 years of running from him. One of the best moments in the series, the best moment for Laurie in my opinion and one of the best moments ever in final girl history.
@@sevandobo and I'm not surprised....just like how James Cameron apparently came up with the idea to kill John connor off at the start of dark fate and really thought that was a good idea. They're both wrong...
I will say, no one should say that Halloween ends is the worst because it’s not the worst, it’s one of them but nothing will ever beat Resurrection for being the worst one
“H2O had more tension than gore.” Yes, just like the original! That was the point. 1, 2, and H20 is also my preferred trilogy despite my wavering like or dislike for the other nine films.
When it comes to H2O it was one of my favorite movie memories, where my brother and I and his friend had an absolute blast in the theater. We were almost thrown out along with everybody else he made people laugh, we pissed the employees of the theater and making people laugh doing so. It would make for a great story in a book. I'll tell it one day, but damn every time I think about Halloween H2O it's one of my most Fondest Memories with my brother. Rest in peace Shaun(Lil'Bro.)
H40 is still my time line. I was born in 91 and scared shitless by horror movies so I didn't see any Halloween films until about 2012. I knew Michael, who he was, and I'd tried to watch a few films but the tension of him walking down shadowed hallways with that theme song always frightened me too much. Around 2012 I finally kicked that fear and dove headlong into horror but, 2018 was the first Halloween film I saw in theaters. That, plus my love of psychological elements, skyrocketed the H40 time line to the top. I just love that they simplified Michael down to what he was in the first film. Evil. He didn't have a reason, he just was, that WAS his reason, and the H40 series put that into the spotlight. The effect that evil has, how it spreads, how it effects individuals and communities.
Been binging the Halloween movies and I just finished this one and god it was the best sequel next to Halloween 2. Absolute perfection. Jamie Lee Curtis was phenomenal and her and Michael are what made this movie the best. When they meet in that mirror that was the best scene
You should make a Halloween 3 review. It's a delightfully seasonal movie, on top of having a hilariously insane premise and genuinely disturbing scenes
If you think the Halloween mentioned in Scream -> Scream 2 is in Halloween H20 is a crazy reference bonanza think about this: In Halloween (1978) Laurie says to the kids "Go to the MacKenzie 's" In Scream Casey Becker's dad says to Casey's mom "Go to the MacKenzie's" and in Halloween H20 Laurie says to his son and son's girlfriend "Drive down to the Becker's"
Interestingly, this isn't necessarily a reboot/retcon. In the original script, there was a line that indicated the other sequels happened. Laurie faked her death and changed her identity (as still happens here), abandoned her daughter, who still died in the previous films. And while the abandonment and death of her daughter are not mentioned, there isn't actually anything in the movie (as far as I'm aware) which actively contradicts those sequels.
Was just about to say this, since the movie doesn’t exactly retcon the older films and just doesn’t refer to them with the exception of Laurie’s supposed death in 4. So someone would watch 1,2,4-6 and watch this as a loose continuation or not and still enjoy them if they were on either camp.
I'm pretty sure they explicitly state that Michael hasn't been seen since the fire at the end of Halloween II, which definitely wouldn't be true if 4-6 happened. But aside from that, you're right. Though it makes Laurie a bit of a heel to know that she literally abandoned her first child.
Well Marion was established as Loomis’ nurse and caretaker in H20, yet she’s nowhere to be seen in the thorn trilogy. Not trying to ruin your comment though, these movies are what you make of them!
1 and 2, that's all you need. 2 wraps up nicely. I don't really like that Michael and Laurie are siblings. I like the idea that Michael has no other motive, makes it much creeper. Michael see Laurie leave the key on his doorstep and decided right there, "I'm coming after you." No other reason.
Thank you Jeremy for reviewing this! This has to be my 2nd favorite Halloween movie of all time. Also now I have the perfect Halloween trilogy to watch over Halloween weekend. Halloween, Halloween II, & H2O
100000% agree! Is the movie particularly scary? No. But there’s an anticipation and a build and a level of suspense that we haven’t seen in the franchise since 🤷♂️ and it’s a hell of a lot of fun. And like you said, it gives us the conclusion and finality that the fans of the franchise wanted and needed at that time
I've been saying this for years and thought I was the only one who felt this way. Glad to see theres a community of us who know how good H20 really was, especially compared to Kills and Ends.
I love H20 because it keeps the brother sister narrative which I think makes the suspense so much greater and Mike Myers psychotic state even more psychotic in the fact it’s his own damn sister 👧 🔪. The very definition of psychopathy is to not have the ability to feel empathetic, is there a trait that emphasises this more than hunting your own sister!?
I don’t really understand why so many people are opposed to the brother/sister linkage. Is it a little hacky? Maybe, but it provides motivation to keep the story going.
Halloween is like a generational time capsule of a franchise, one day we will look back on this most recent trilogy the same way. Great work on the video as always Jeremy!
@@thotslayer9914 I doubt it, there will be fans. Halloween 3 has become a cult classic, & somehow even H5 & 6 have thier fans. I'd argue H20 started showing its age shockingly soon for it's time, theres jus something about 90s & early 2000s slashers that all aged super quick
@@NerdySabbath I actually like the new trilogy, yes even Ends. And I think I even appreciate kills a bit more. Although I think the whole trilogy would have worked better if they had introduced Corey in 2018 instead of Ends, but it is what it is.
@@NerdySabbath Halloween 3 was like the idea John Carpenter had of the Halloween movies, which is an anthology franchise where things happen on Halloween that aren’t connected which is why people appreciate its existence
@@thotslayer9914 i love the new trilogy, not Ends as much but I love 2018, kills for different reasons, and Ends I will appreciate it more as time goes on in my opinion
I really enjoyed watching this in the theater with my mom, who got me into the Halloween series. Even with the Scream tropes throughout, it's still a fun movie to watch.
That’s the thing about us Halloween fans we have all had our favorite timeline since h20 retconned things i think. I’ve always been a 1,2,H20 person. I think that’s why I wasn’t mad when I didn’t enjoy 18 as much as others. For me 18 is just H40. I realize not everyone is a huge fan so that might have flown over peoples heads, like how much of 18 feels like a remake of H20. But I am a huge fan and I wasn’t impressed by the story. The mask and James judge Courtney as Michael of course were great. I wasn’t so bothered by ends, I liked it. Once again it’s cause I’ve had my own head cannon for years so for me it was a refreshing new story. I know for people invested in the new trilogy it was very disappointing and that sucks. But to those fans or new fans I wanna say, choose ur own adventure lol. I lived through the disappointment of resurrection, I’ve been hit hard before. For me and others the solution has always been preferred timelines.
H20 has some giant issues, but the opening and the ending are definitive for me. Some serious nostalgia though, I convinced my mom to let me see it when i was 14 in theaters after i had just watched the original. Hard to beat the impact of that regardless of quality
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Very underrated film. The scene where Laurie breaks the gate control with a rock to lock her and Michael in - then screaming “MICHAEL!” while carrying an axe as the Halloween theme kicks in was more badass then in Halloween Ends.
It’s one of the better Halloween sequels, even though it continues the ridiculous ‘brother/sister’ thing. That late 90s feel it has is like a warm fire on a cold night lol
"Why am I worried about spoilers this movie is 24 years old" Sorry Jeremy but idiots WILL complain that you spoiled this 24 year old movie for them. That's how the internet works. "Oh you spoiled this for me, you spoiled that for me, that came out 24 years ago but you still spoiled it for me WHAT Darth Vader is Luke's father how could you spoil it for me?" Ugh.
H20 was the first Halloween movie I saw as a child. My parents had a crazy collection of vhs tapes & we went through a lot of them during a hurricane one year & H20 was in the lineup. I always loved that movie but I thought it was nostalgia goggles that made it for me. Lowkey kinda glad I wasn't wrong on that front. One of the few outliers of the black people die first trope back then. The opening with JGL & the lady leading into Loomis talking about Michael having the devil's eyes was terrifying as a kid. Given how the new trilogy went, gun to my head, I'd probably make my trilogy 1,2, & 20 Year Later. Also, total admission to the rose tinted nostalgia goggles here but I like the trainwreck that is Resurrection. I'd even say it's more fun to watch than Kills & Ends. Busta Rhymes roundhouse kicks Michael in a burning garage. It's totally bonkers. 2018 is cool. I used to watch all of them on AMC during October too so even the franchise's bad sequels have always been guilty pleasures.
Halloween III is the most “Halloween” movie there is, after the original. it is the closest we got to the yearly Halloween anthology John Carpenter wanted to create. H3 is a great little movie on it’s own. Imagine the amazing horror stories we could have gotten if the studio hadn’t gotten in the way. 4 more days till Halloween…Silver Shamrock! 🎃🧙🏽💀
I love the scene where Laurie is confessing who she actually is, to her boyfriend. The eerie music that plays as she tells 'The tale of Micheal Myers' and the look of disbelief on the boyfriends face afterwards. And then he gets gutted like a fish...but that scene was great
The Elm Street franchise has a similar Trilogy I like to call the Nancy Trilogy which is the original A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Dream Warriors and then A New Nightmare all feature the character Nancy (mostly) as a main character
Kevin Williamson wrote the story for h20 and worked on one of the drafts so it heavily has the scream feel to it. My preferred timeline is 1 2 and 4. By the end of 4 "evil" has gone full circle. If you've seen 4 you know what I'm talking about
my favorite trilogy and or timeline is the original Halloween , Halloween 2 and Halloween 4. and then you end it there. The little girl at the top of the stairs with bloody Scissors in her hands. It's starting again. The message being is that evil doesn't die...it's a force of nature.
Yup, I like that. I also like Halloween 1 and 2 and that’s it. Ultimately I like Halloween ‘78 and done. Such a scary and effective ending in that he’s still out there and he could be anywhere. Very chilling! It really should never have been a franchise.
The sequel to HALLOWEEN ENDS could involve time traveling back to the time of H20 and picking up the story from there. This would make it possible for Jamie Lee Curtis to return and put an end to Michael once and for all again.
I’m probably the only person to ever say this but my favorite trilogy out of the group is 4, 5 & 6. I loved the Danielle Harris movies and part 6 is just really nostalgic for me. I love watching that mean drunk dad getting killed in the basement!
I just saw Halloween H20 a few weeks ago for the first time and I really enjoyed it. And I still haven’t seen Resurrection so the ending of H20 hasn’t been ruined for me lol
Evil dies tonight! .....Evil dies tonight! .....Evil dies tonight! ....Evil dies tonight! Repeat another 50x .... Spoiler: Um no evil didn't die tonight 🤦
I was caught off guard to hear other people also see the Halloween cannon as Halloween 1, Halloween 2, then H20. I kinda thought I was alone on that hill. 😅 Oh and of course Halloween 3 is welcome to join my canon as well. I saw Halloween 2018 and thought it was good, thought it should have stopped there tho. Saw Halloween Kills and was severely disappointed. So much so I have yet to watch Halloween Ends. Because the Halloween movies really ended with H20 for me. I'd still love to know how Michael got his eyes back after Halloween 2 though... was that ever explained?
@@Rabbitwannagrabit Except it is canon to me. Because the whole conversation and start of the video was, what Halloween movies we consider canon. And since Halloween 3 is a Halloween movie it can, and does fall into canon with some of us. Your first reply to me is seemingly just trying to ruin the fun by intentionally ignoring the part of the conversation. And pointing out exact things from Halloween 3 that only someone who hasn't seen it wouldn't know. Your comment was condescending.
@@B00s3 My comment was legit I was not trying to be rude...It is impossible for those movies to be canon to each other was my point..Sorry I "ruined your fun"..lol
Man, I'm a few years older, but our taste in movies are eerily similar, you are the main movie buffer for my wife and I, we've learned,if it's not a " good time " for you, it generally won't be for us, Halloween is my least favorite horror franchise, but we still watch your reaction, you're awesome bro...
Each year I'm going to alternate between Halloween 1978, Halloween 2 and H20 and Halloween 1978, Halloween 2018, Kills and Ends. I love both sets so as a fan, I'm happy.
H20 will forever be one of my absolute favorite slasher (or horror in general) movies. It was my gateway into the genre and I love every second of it. Don't care at all about the lack of gore, as I don't feel it's needed in Halloween. There's basically not a drop of blood in the original either. This is also by far the best performance Jamie Lee Curtis had in the franchise imo.
THANK YOU FOR THIS. I legit enjoyed H20 but hadn't thought about it in forever. I am now sold. This is to Halloween as the Machete order is to Star Wars. I am watching this Halloween trilogy this weekend!
I honestly enjoyed the Halloween 2007 version it was really brutal and like seeing Michael as a kid then go to the institute and seeing him big as hell and look really threatening
Great video on the fan canon; if H20 had a little bit of color correction, a deepfaked/improved mask, and a more Carpenter-esque score, I would have no complaints of it as THE ending. Hope you'll do Halloween 4 as the third of the "Evil Never Dies" trilogy (or the "Loomis Timeline" as Cody Leach just dubbed it).
I like both timelines tbh, but the fact that scream exists in the universe AND they use the score from scream in movie it breaks my immersion also that cgi mask shot lol
H20 did Laurie Strode so much better than the new trilogy. And her final showdown with Michael is perfect in my opinion. She faces her fears, goes looking for the danger and cuts his head off. H1, H2 and H20 are still my official trilogy/timeline.
I'm kind of digging this way of thinking! The whole "choose your own adventure" Halloween style! This has a lot of fun combos. Sidenote: I know they aren't great but I love 4 and 5 because of Danielle Harris. I love that she was in the Rob Zombie flicks too.
@Fletch Ends is better than 2018, but Kills was a new level of shit. Although not sure if its worse than 4, 5, 6, resurrection, or the Rob Zombie shit. Really don't why people are saying the new Halloween killed the franchise. Its been dead since the 80's.
Yeah ends is a disrespectful piece of shit but you have to admit kills did what the title said so it was pretty good for that. It was a fun simple slasher with good ideas and good lines. 2018 was so good tho
1 and 2 were good. H20 was next level. I do think that resurrection wasnt bad though. I like the way they explained Laurie killing the ambulance driver.
This movie when I saw it in theatres was the best! Modern technically but dramatic and thrilling like the original. IMO underrated but I get it it’s quintessentially 90’s
