Hammer & Spanner EP 7 - 800whp on stock pistons?! - M104 Turbo

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Welcome to "Hammer & Spanner" in this webseries you will be invited to check out the more technical side of our builds and projects. To start of the series we decided to go under the skin of our current Mercedes CLK.
Episode 7 will guide you through the internals of our M104 turbo engine, we check out the rods, pistons, support girdle, cylinderhead and much more! Make sure you check out the other 6 episodes about our CLK Driftcar.
Hopefully we managed to cover the most parts of these areas but if you feel that we left something out we want you to tell us in the comments below!
This was our final episode of under the skin of the clk, more content will come soon!
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@armandbeyers2935 10 месяцев назад

Hydraulic lifters in the Audi world 1.8t 20v specifically is safe to rev to 8500rpm they are pretty sturdy

@TeamLovetap 10 месяцев назад

Yeah could probably go a bit higher🤙🏼

@sergesvz 4 года назад

Makes me want to build m104 for my is300 and then shock everyone with Benz engine. 😆 also your car looks sweet

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Serge SVZ do it man! Thanks for the kind words

@suddendilemma5137 3 года назад

I owned a 1997 C36 AMG, for years. Sold it with 297k miles and it was rock solid. Thank you so very much for all this info and in depth detail on the M104. it really is one hell of an engine that is overlooked. Your content is fantastic and look forward to seeing you break the 1000hp mark.

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Yeah its a great engine 🥰 I hope to rev higher to begin with👌🏻

@claymalecka7776 Год назад

I’ve got a ‘97 C36 also! Mine has 206k. Everyone on BAT thinks the W202 C43 is superior “because it’s a V-8”. But the AMG rebuilt M104 takes an already great engine, and makes it something truly special. The C43 is just AMG cams (SOHC 3 valve per cyl) on a standard short block. The C36 lump got the FULL AMG treatment, forged crank, rods, pistons, etc. A beastly motor - can’t imagine what a turbo’d M104 would feel like!

@mr.Bruutt 4 года назад

Nice ! good video

@wonnozline4094 6 месяцев назад

Very very useful video, thanks a lot!

@TeamLovetap 6 месяцев назад

good to hear!

@CZSMotorsport 3 года назад

Thank you so much for the insight!

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

CZS Motorsport any time✊🏻

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

I can't believe I didn't see this sooner thank you greatly for sharing what you have done and how seems to be a rare thing in the mercedes tuning community but thank you a great amount of this also applies to the m111 engines aswell from my knowledge thank you again

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

No problem man! I do it so more people will do it!

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap That's great man keep it up we have our turbo slk in pieces at the moment new headgasket time for it 1.5 bar peak on a unopened m111 ticking time bomb

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@M-oneeleven-M111 Im quite eager to test a m111 in the future actually:)

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap m111.975 seems to be the best for it with low compression ratio to start with and being a 2.3 plenty of torque and hp to be had but we are trying to find the stock mechanical limit ourselves before swapping to some BMW forged rods

@TurbineResearch 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the great info ❤

@TeamLovetap Месяц назад

Glad it helped you🙌🏻

@whatyoumean3383 Год назад

Älskar dina videos ❤❤

@TeamLovetap Год назад

Tack! Hoppas få ut mer videos i år 👌🏻

@bernardwarr4187 3 года назад

Very interesting video. Lots of work to develop it this far.

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Yeah man it truly is 👌🏻

@bernardwarr4187 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap I am running a 500E and that keeps me pretty busy 😃

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@bernardwarr4187 hehe I can imagine😅

@ziadkhodr6721 4 года назад

I couldn’t wait to watch this 😍😍! I guess u wanna run the 3.6 crankshaft on the 3.2 bore 😎

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Ziad Khoder no we are actually not going that way, we are looking for something different👌🏻

@tzunamii4329 4 года назад

@@TeamLovetap going with the diesel crank from c36 3.5L engine

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Tzunamii not that one either 🤙🏼

@incolink 4 года назад

@@TeamLovetap I would prefer BME alloy rods big cams and turn it to 10

@jstardrift Год назад

Awesome video and car. Just a question, you run stock vales with the larger retainers with the double springs?

@TeamLovetap Год назад

Thank u, yes thats correct

@KarlBryngelsson 4 года назад

🔥🔥🔥

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

KarlBryngelsson så går pengarna åt 😅🙌🏻

@shabutir1820 3 года назад

I miss my C280. The M104 is a solid engine and very well designed. Mercedes made a huge mistake dropping it for a V6. I might look for a C36 some day to play with.

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Shabuti R18 yeah they did a great job with it. ive been thinking about building a V6 with turbo just to see how well it works

@shabutir1820 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap The C32 was an impressive machine, but I hear the V6s just werent as smooth or reliable as the M104 was. My C280 had 150k miles on it when I sold it, still ran like new and got 30mpg highway. I always kept the engine bay spotless clean and those brass colored exhaust manifolds shiny! I did have an ignition coil pack go out on me I guess once, but it wasnt very expensive like people make it out to be and a really easy fix.

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Shabuti R18 yeah probably not as good but might work

@jarmominkkinen9409 6 месяцев назад

I buliding Efi MaxxEcu and Turbo 67mm Waiting intake from Tm Motorsport..i have 103 Stock Engine.Mayby bay 104 Engine some day..Grate info Video👍👍🖐 Have 300se 1987 Nice solid car..

@TeamLovetap 6 месяцев назад

Thats really cool to hear man, best of luck!

@medievilassassin 2 года назад

Love it , I’m hoping to use one of these engines for my W202. So you think it’s possible to just run a stock bottom end with 500bhp at the crank?

@TeamLovetap 2 года назад

Yea it will work fine

@jamesmcgregor2665 2 года назад

Hey mate, love your detailed videos and what you do for the M104 community! What are your thoughts on a stock head gasket for 600whp? I’m Looking at the 144mm turbo bandit rods to be able to rev higher and drop the compression - do you think a thicker MLS gasket is a smart move to drop compression further? Thanks!

@TeamLovetap Год назад

Thank u for the kind words🙏🏻 stock headgasket from the factory should work but the aftermarket one are bad now, they rarely last that high anymore, they changed the manufacturing process somehow… Yeah if your going to run stock pistons I would probably lower the compression a bit to make the ring lands last

@marcdoig8262 4 года назад

Hi, which Cometic did you install, the left or right side also which BMW S14 Conrod bearing corrected the size difference 52mm vs 51.6mm

@dionhamstra2516 3 года назад

With a bit of maintanence, changing the gaskets and bearings, is the block suitable for a turbo setup? With all the stock internals? Most HP i want to push is about 450 i guess. Love your vid! Another greetings from The Netherlands!

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

I would say its good enough unopened for that kind of horsepower, if its s low milage m104 like around 200000km 🙌🏻 thank you man!

@mtxowned 2 года назад

What did you gap the piston rings to? I'm in the process of building a m104 turbo and like to see which ring gaps other people use with stock pistons.

@TeamLovetap Год назад

I run 0.6 and 0.55

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

Do you have a part number at all for the hx bearings that you used at all I can't find any in the UK by normal search terms of you can help I would really appreciate it no worries at all if not looks like your having fun setting up your new workshop great work guys

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

I can see if I can find the number, Btw I ended up going back to ”non HX” bearings the standard ones for this season to reduce bearing clearance

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap thank you for getting back to me I did wonder with the pin on the crank being smaller on the mercedes crank than on the BMW so if STD ones are fine for it I'll use then how often do you find you have to change the bearings reason I ask is it's a street car thanks again for the great help and I hope you had a good Christmas

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@M-oneeleven-M111 no probs man, atleast 2 seasons of torture, but they would last longer

@M-oneeleven-M111 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap thank you great help I've found some king bearings that are in budget I was torn between king or ACL seems to be little choice here in the UK for some reason

@gorkemcosgun 4 года назад

Should I get a clk??? It all sounds amazing.

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Gorkem Cosgun hehe go for it 🤙🏼

@gorkemjoker 4 года назад

when you will build m104 bolt on kits both cold/hot side and girdle? If we can have everything from 1 source it would be logical to invest on m104. you should go for it aswell :D

@js-racing2914 4 года назад

Where can I buy one of these support plates ?

@obeynemo 3 года назад

Really enjoying these videos, does anyone know what company makes the head gasket?

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Its a Cometic MLS gasket but they are hard do buy right now

@obeynemo 2 года назад

Thanks

@Gazika1984 8 месяцев назад

My suggestion to you about girdle my friend, stainless steel is not good choice,it’s tough metal,you should take cast iron girdle,it absorbs vibration and has better abilities to handle

@TeamLovetap 7 месяцев назад

Yeah Ive heard similiar ideas but At the same time I have been running this girdle for many years without the cracking 🤙🏼

@arseniysumskoy1500 3 года назад

Hi. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I have watched almost all you vlogs and episodes. I do appreciate your work, thank you Sir. A lot of good information for beginners like me. I am in the process of swapping m104 with a turbo into my w210 e55 amg, so I bought the m104.992 engine, after tearing it apart I have discovered that I don't have oil squirters and my pistons are made by Nural, not Mahle. Do you know if they are as strong as Mahle pistons and can have hight boost or do I need to find mahle pistons? Also can I use diesel engine OM6xx squirters in my engine block? If you could give me information that would be great. Thank you and keep up with good work.

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

I dont remember what the piston brand is on my m104.992 tbh but i think both work pretty good. Yes you could use these squirters, but does your block have the mounting points for the oil squirters? If it doesnt have the squirters stock?

@arseniysumskoy1500 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap thank for your replay Sir, I appreciate it. Yes it does have mounting points in the block. Talked to my mechanic he said bring me the original squirters and I will install them. So I guess I am good with this situation. But still can't find information about the positions. But what's I have found (saw with my own eyes 👀 :) ) that 2.3 engine with compressor has Nural pistons. So I guess it will work as fine as Mahle. P.S. I was wondering if you had a chance to finish up with the plate for stock oil pump, to prevent the block from cracking.( in one of your episodes you said that were working on it

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@arseniysumskoy1500 never finished the product for the market because people are a bit to cheap in the m104 market 👀

@arseniysumskoy1500 3 года назад

@@TeamLovetap got it Sir. Thank you. Pleasure talking to you and best of luck in a new season. 👍💪🤝

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@arseniysumskoy1500 thanks alot man!

@natashadavies2747 Год назад

Hello my enjoy watching your videos does really good work you do I have got the W124 280 94 it is only have 90,000 miles i’m having a trouble getting oil into my coolant system I don’t think it’s head gasket I did try some pressure test I don’t know if you can help I know you’re busy man thank you bro

@TeamLovetap Год назад

thank u man! Have you checked the oil/water hear exchanger? And did u pressurize the water system to see if you get any extra water in the oil?

@natashadavies2747 Год назад

@@TeamLovetap thank you mate I haven’t done pressure test but there is no water mix with the engine oil level is good I will do what you side and I will keep searching thank you so much

@renebanda2577 3 года назад

Do u have the part number for the inner valve spring?

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Dont have it available here but not that hard to get from a dealership

@lulleee 4 года назад

jäklarns bra klipp! :D håller på att bygga en motor själv. har en m104,945 2,8L har du någon aning om den går att konvertera med 3,2vev och vilken vevstakslängd skall man då ha? enligt mina beräkningar ligger du alltså 2,3mm under orginal slag?

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

lulleee tackar! De du behöver är en 3.2L vev i sen en uppsättning 145mm stakar, jag har dröser av dessa liggades vid intresse? Ja de blir väl kompressionshöjden som är 2,4mm lägre om man säger så, ja har 1mm kortare stakar o 3mm packning ist för 1.6 eller vad org packningen är

@lulleee 4 года назад

@@TeamLovetap jag är intresserad av vev om den är i gott skick, skall annars skicka efter en utomlands men då hade jag lika kunna köpa av dig. men blir det verkligen rätt med 145mm stakar? "misstror inte din kunskap" jag jämförde bara kolvar mellan 945 och 992 på autodoc och då är kompressions höjden 2mm högre på 2,8 kolvarna än 3,2 kolvarna... inget jag kan bekräfta dock då jag inte hunnit få ut mina kolvar och stakar ännu... om nu så är fallet så borde jag ju ligga på standard komp med 3,2 vev, 143mm stakar samt 2,8 kolvarna? isf hade jag ju kunnat svarva av 2,8 kolvarna 1mm och ändå ha 1mm grövre kolv än std 3,2 kolv? eller tänker jag galet rätta mig gärna om jag har fel...

@MrCSICSI94 3 года назад

What's not stock about it? What did you change to get 800-900 horses? Is that going to be covered in the next video?

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Have you checked the other 6 episodes?

@veejay120793 Год назад

Do you guys balance the rotating assembly?

@TeamLovetap Год назад

Yes the flywheel and everything has been balanced

@vonknight5311 4 года назад

I have a chance to grab a m104 3.6 AMG engine for cheap. Only thing that's stopping me is finding an aftermarket replacement head gasket. Saw someone online tried using a 3.2 one and ruined the engine smh. But having a boosted m104 3.6 in my e30 would break the internet.

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Von Knight there are mls gasket and also athena now i think

@incolink 4 года назад

i think that soft seal is in fact Teflon . i also think your block cracking is related to ignition cut limiter bashing switch to fly by wire and rev limit buy throttle and think things will be safer can anyone help me ban this video to keep the price of M104's down forever, please .. \

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Yeah it can be teflon for sure 🤙🏼 the block that we cracked was on fuel limiter

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Adam Naylor haha yeah we hope the price stays down but probably not

@Jockewiie 4 года назад

som vanligt intressant. farsan m104 3.0 turbo som han kör. har han kört 4 år nu på original stakar. 617whp och 760wnm

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Jockewiie tackar! Aah de går absolut men är inte så safe😅✌🏻

@Jockewiie 4 года назад

@@TeamLovetap haha kan vara så men uppenbarligen funkar de ju. MEN de är ju ingen driftbil utan en daily driven så motorn tar ju inte stryk på samma sätt som din gör som får äta varvstopp hela dagarna haha :D

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Jockewiie aah var lite de ja syfta på, gat åka är ju lite snällare. Men gött att de lirar!

@Jockewiie 4 года назад

Ska du inte prova köra 3.6 motorn?:)

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Jockewiie jag har kört 3.6 turbo innan, denna gången blir de en hybrid

@obeynemo 2 года назад

Beast of an engine, I wonder how it compares to a 2jz

@TeamLovetap 2 года назад

Pretty well I would say 🙌🏻

@ropatchu 3 года назад

onde consigo junta cabecote motor m104 e coletor turbina obrigado

@TeamLovetap Год назад

Headgasket from cometic and manifold is custom order

@kurzjames 4 года назад

You keep apologizing for your english. Your english is solid lol

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Haha I just hate when I slip up😅 but thanks alot man 🤙🏼🙌🏻

@IQ.Cars.Airplanes 3 года назад

Jag har en Mb w140 med M104 som fokter lite olja ! troligtvis kommer från höger bak utsidan till topplocks packning .. vad rekommendera du ska jag bytte packning eller prova dra åt bultarna !! MVH

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

Är de på baksidan motorn?

@IQ.Cars.Airplanes 3 года назад

Finns det något möjlighet att kontakta dig ? tänkte skicka några bilder ! MVH Erik

@TeamLovetap 3 года назад

@@IQ.Cars.Airplanes skicka DM på instagram @mstangberg

@garyhurn6153 7 месяцев назад

What’s the part number for the small valve spring you are using ?

@TeamLovetap 6 месяцев назад

I answered you on Instagram now!

@danielesteves4045 4 дня назад

Hi, Do u have the part Number?

@wizardrhyme9597 8 месяцев назад

Whats the cheapest option for "reliable" 450hp (engine) m104 or om605? I just bought my first car, volvo 745. Im new to tuning but really want a good engine to work with and learn as i go.

@TeamLovetap 7 месяцев назад

I think M104 is the better alternative for sure, the diesels are good but are harder to male them last I feel

@igorlis380 5 месяцев назад

om605 will be hard. maybe go om606. should do 500hp unopened with the right mods. less work with wiring on diesels, only hard part is timing the pump but after that its pretty easy.

@sergesvz 4 года назад

So is this engine on stock oil pump?

@TeamLovetap 4 года назад

Serge SVZ no it is a drysump setup due to space problem in this chassi, but alot of people run stock pumps with similar power. Check out episode 4 of this series for info about our drysump system