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Hannah Fry | Hello World: Being Human in the Age of Algorithms 

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In Episode 64 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with mathematician and public educator, Hannah Fry. Dr. Fry’s mathematical expertise has led to the development of several documentaries on the BBC, where she also hosts her own, long-running Radio 4 program: The Curious Cases of Rutherford and Fry. Already a two-time author, Hannah is out with her third and latest book, Hello World: Being Human in the Age of Algorithms.
Since the turn of the twentieth century, algorithms have assumed the power previously associated with pontiffs or the divine right of kings. In an instance of late 20th century lore, the great Chess Champion Garry Kasparov, reflecting upon his historic loss to IBM’s Deep Blue described the algorithm that defeated him in less than twenty moves, as having ‘suddenly played like a God for one moment’. Kasparov’s experience - that of having been unnerved by the intelligence and obstinate posture of an otherwise lifeless machine - has not remained confined to the narrow dimensions of his chess board. In the 20 years since his loss, increasingly intelligent algorithms seem to be overtaking our world and making humanity obsolete in the process.
But in the age of the algorithm, there are those like Hannah Fry, who believe that our place has never been more important. She believes that we should stop seeing machines as objective masters. Instead, we need to start treating algorithms as we would any other source of power; questioning their decisions, scrutinizing their motives, and holding them accountable for their mistakes.
As computer algorithms increasingly control and decide our future, ‘Hello World’ is a reminder of a moment of dialogue between human and machine. Of an instant where the boundary between controller and controlled is virtually imperceptible. It marks the start of a partnership - a shared journey of possibilities, where one cannot exist without the other. In the age of the algorithm, that’s a sentiment worth bearing in mind.
Producer & Host: Demetri Kofinas
Editor & Engineer: Stylianos Nicolaou
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@magzieforfunj187
@magzieforfunj187 5 лет назад
Good conversation with a public intellectual and thought leader
@helenchelmicka3028
@helenchelmicka3028 3 года назад
lol lol
@eleanorscott9855
@eleanorscott9855 3 года назад
Such a great interview, its so refreshing to hear interesting conversation where the host has clearly done his research on her work
@mattr2773
@mattr2773 3 года назад
Great interview, host and guest! Thorough, thoughtful, well done! Thank you
@TheJinksd
@TheJinksd 3 года назад
She has such a beautiful voice. A refined British accent adds 20 points to your IQ.
@praveenrai6965
@praveenrai6965 5 лет назад
What an awesome discussion! Thanks Demetri (I am a big fan) and Hannah. Good luck with the book.
@thomasmartin9343
@thomasmartin9343 5 лет назад
I could listen to Hannah forever, shes great and so smart. 'Magic Numbers' is a great watch for those who have not seen it!
@Dabu-Dabu
@Dabu-Dabu 5 лет назад
Same, bro.. same. Hannah is just effin awesome..
@amber1862
@amber1862 5 лет назад
Fantastic host. Keep it up!
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 5 лет назад
This is a really great conversation. Kofinas asks "What are people still good at"? Presumably as machines get good at doing some of the things that people do now, the people will move on and do things that require even more intelligence.
@perezfecto
@perezfecto 5 лет назад
What an interesting lady. Thanks for sharing.
@ozgeozcelik8921
@ozgeozcelik8921 4 года назад
I should listen to this on Spotify
@christophertaylor6079
@christophertaylor6079 5 лет назад
What a woman!... I could listen/watch Hannah for days.
@nenadcvele
@nenadcvele 5 лет назад
The comment section is awesome.
@katayamakinen
@katayamakinen 5 лет назад
Μπράβο Μιτσάρα συνέχισε έτσι και με παρόμοια θεματολογία!
@tthistlethwaite
@tthistlethwaite 5 лет назад
Keep it up.
@alangarland8571
@alangarland8571 5 лет назад
Airplanes have been flying autonomously more or less for around 20 years. In general this has resulted in less air accidents.
@icesentry
@icesentry 5 лет назад
They've been flying autonomously with a pilot and copilot behind the stick. That's obviously not the same thing
@markiliff
@markiliff 5 лет назад
With much more separation than you could ever get on roads, with ≥2 qualified professionals in the cockpit who'll lose their jobs if they mess up, and with infrastructure for routing, positioning & landing #weakanalogy
@sikfaka1
@sikfaka1 5 лет назад
lets say a group of people surround the car and want to hurt the driver and/or steal the car. Would the algorithm be able to give people with worse qualities (like those trying to steal cars and hurt people) a lower-weighted value in the associated neural nodes?
@alonamaloh
@alonamaloh 5 лет назад
I've heard the story of Robert Moses building low bridges on purpose to keep blacks out of the beaches many times, but it's probably not right: www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/07/how-low-did-he-go/533019/
@alexandertorok1599
@alexandertorok1599 4 года назад
One important case can be made for very fast recursive algorithms re-adapting an evaluation in a situation change. As in a bicycle just probably /possibly swerving as needed, or a premature braking of a driver or after any other human intervention. Here, a human would slower to correct his previous decision, or perhaps a previous reflex may interfere. Intuitively, I would like an A I to know people-behavior and thinking as well as specifically me and my emotions and reflexes before I'd let it brake or swerve, cutting me off from decision making. Fine if you can best me at chess, but know me first, and work with me and that drunken, computerless idiot ahead of me, before you and take joint responsibility on the road. This way, in paired and shared interdependence, the sum total of all together will be maximized. For now, this could be developed only by a central, specialized "brain-compound" in constant communication, rather than a resident 'brain' in each car.
@javb222
@javb222 5 лет назад
Total Harm = Severity X Frequency. 'Solving' the trolley problem marginally reduces severity at best. It may be more effective to reduce harm by focusing on preventing accidents in the first place. This may explain engineers dismissing trolley problem.
@danimand4831
@danimand4831 5 лет назад
Is it really a trolley problem if one of the people on the track is you?
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 5 лет назад
If the trolley is approaching, and I am the only person on one track, and there are five people on the other track, I will be concentrating on getting out of the way, not worrying about the ethical design of the control algorithm. I couldn't blame the algorithm for choosing the path of least death and destruction, even if that meant it had to head for me. My job would be to skedaddle. If I can't do that in time, it's my fault, not the algorithm's.
@chianasgeek6730
@chianasgeek6730 5 лет назад
I like my skills. I resist automation x
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 5 лет назад
He is so in love with this fascinating, beautiful woman. Oh, wait, that's me. That aside, I have to get that book.
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 5 лет назад
I spoke too soon. The idea that capitalism is THE driver for research and development is wrong. So much of what we think of as having been developed by capitalists has been state funded by one country or another for a long time. This fact has been raised by many well respected economists and political thinkers. 59:05
@bahramg82
@bahramg82 5 лет назад
Numberphile woman!!!
@kevinallcock5927
@kevinallcock5927 9 месяцев назад
Amazing how being a liar for the system gets you mass exposure
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 5 лет назад
To have the courts to be as fair and as unbiased as they can be, a good start would be to use a blind judge who never gets to see nor speak with the accused. Because there isn't much justice in letting the judge _judge_ a person for her character, how well she can portray herself or how much caucasian/african/asian she is. In that context of a blind or apart judge an expert system could help the judge digest the known hard facts that are really the only thing that matters regarding a crime and help detach the professional from his own emotions regarding the cases. Hunch based judgments could get lost in the process, but maybe in the big scheme of things that'd be a good thing.
@rkara2
@rkara2 5 лет назад
Computers in general disenfranchise people, especially older people that have never used a computer before.
@billhenry7213
@billhenry7213 5 лет назад
Wrong. Computers are inanimate and have no intention, or motive. People's unwillingness to learn disenfranchises themselves.
@SteveGouldinSpain
@SteveGouldinSpain 4 года назад
The was a story kicking around that Chinese car makers were going to use social-media credit scoring as a factor in deciding who lives and dies in a Trolley Problem situation. Better behave yourselves online folks!
@quovadis8084
@quovadis8084 4 года назад
IBM cheated in that match with Kasparov. There was an excellent documentary made about it.
@LukeGibsonSS
@LukeGibsonSS 5 лет назад
Do you not know how use a compressor? This video is quieter than a library... with no people in it!
@HiddenForces
@HiddenForces 5 лет назад
I'm not sure what is wrong with your sound.
@greenpumpkin172
@greenpumpkin172 5 лет назад
@@HiddenForces Well, it is true that the sound is very quiet, so, the compressor or just increasing of volume of the sound would be better.
@ryanjohnston5108
@ryanjohnston5108 5 лет назад
PEOPLE: It's not the machine. Its the pogrammers that are coding the algorithms, running the machine. Which in turn, ends up influencing/controlling your decision or life. Put the blame on the programmers. Not the machine, when things start going wrong.....
@gaius_enceladus
@gaius_enceladus 5 лет назад
Mmmmmm....... Hannah Fry ticks all of my boxes....... * Beautiful (looks and personality) * Stunning red hair * Has a voice as smooth and warm as melted chocolate being poured onto ice-cream....... :)
@alangarland8571
@alangarland8571 5 лет назад
Her accent sounds like Norwich(UK), is involved somewhere.
@GraemeMarkNI
@GraemeMarkNI 5 лет назад
Alan Garland She’s from Essex 🙂
@alangarland8571
@alangarland8571 5 лет назад
@@GraemeMarkNI Ah, my guess is not very far amiss then.
@Dabu-Dabu
@Dabu-Dabu 5 лет назад
100% agree.. I'd marry her on the spot - no questions asked - all terms accepted in advance..
@jonkeuviuhc1641
@jonkeuviuhc1641 5 лет назад
Well I think she's married. At least she has a boyfriend with which she has a kid.
@Harvardfacebook
@Harvardfacebook 5 лет назад
How is it even possible to think of humans (who are imperfect) creating/programming algorithms, to then provide us with information that we are told is the absolute gospel. "Humans are idiots."
@geoffreynhill2833
@geoffreynhill2833 5 месяцев назад
Computers are bean-counters and statisticians, nothing more. It was a great mistake to name them "INTELLIGENCE". Whoever thought it up couldn't have been very intelligent, having no idea of its disastrous consequences. 🥴 (My laptop didn't write this.)
@alangarland8571
@alangarland8571 5 лет назад
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@Dabu-Dabu
@Dabu-Dabu 5 лет назад
Hannah is the only intellectual with charm and beauty matching theirs intellect.. I have a hardcore crush on Hannah..
@ianblackhall
@ianblackhall Год назад
Did he ask this stooge about Haslemere?
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