Hanon - The Tremolo, No.60 from 'The Virtuoso Pianist' 

And for me schumann's dichterliebe I think because of the neopolitan chords

@@emreozdemir3164 What neapolitan chords?

@@pedrodavila9270 the at the 16th second for example

@@pedrodavila9270 but I think I meant the whole progression including the bar before

@@emreozdemir3164 i see what you mean, I think! But that’s a ii6, not a neapolitan. There should be a Db and and Ab for it to be a neapolitan. :) but i hear it in the progression too!

Now you've delivered some brand new information to me. Thank you.

Definitely good practice to make it sound musical.

I'm still doing the first one.

by "great performance," you mean "nice note on/off execution by your midi interface!" ?

The only musically decent and fine piece in Hanon. I'm actually attenpting a set of variations on it.

@@patrick99e99 :: Yes -- After first bar I wondered if the poster explained that this is "mechanical music". But it is fun, anyway.

Agree

Lol, I would have programmed my flams in. But cool to hear it ‘perfectly played’.

Thanks! The one I always skip is the jumping octaves one...

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@@mi-nt are you claiming this is you physically playing? Post a video then. This sounds very MIDI.

@@maternalheart66 You can hear breathing before the forte around 2:12, and the way this is played is very clean, but not midi. Credit to the performer

True. Not the entire sonata though

@@verymozart I can play the entire Sonata except for the tremolos in my left hand. I really would love to be able to remedy that.

My favorite of Beethoven's sonatas.

Yeah I suppose it is one of Hanon's more musical exercises, at least compared to the first 40 or so. Regarding stamina I think you could 'cheat' a bit with pedalling, but in general I agree, there is no 'blue pill' to play it properly!

I think it will only sound good on a really good piano.

What is CA and why should we care if you are there or not?

@@osasunaitor CA is "California". Sorry for the confusion. I keep a number of posts on medical subjects and classical music that I have written over the years. I moved from California. I don't want people to think I still live there. It can "color" their opinion of me. Sometimes for the negative. Just saying. I'm glad you don't care. Others do. Sanjosemike (no longer from CA)

@@sanjosemike3137 Don't listen to the haters San Jose Mike, Im here for you

How do you not get tense? Espeically in the left hand!

@@kofiLjunggren dark magic

@@kofiLjunggren many years of efficient practice

@@kofiLjunggren this is NOT a human playing.

@@kofiLjunggren just make a midi file and have the computer play it.

I've played piano for a couple of years and just recently started to learn to read sheet music. I also had the same question as you and the conclusion I came up with is just to keep reading as your brain will see chords like how we see words, like when we see words we don't read each individual letter, we recognize the shapes and could tell which word it is when reading a paragraph.

You can. Reading piano sheet music is about recognising patterns. You identify to the 'top' note, then the distance between other notes in a chord is just a pattern / shape. With time you recognise these with ease and you can play block notes just as easily as single notes. Think of the word 'television', you don't read each letter individually, but the whole word in one go, because your brain knows that pattern of letters. It's the same with music - it's a language

There's a big difference between playing something from sight, and learning a piece slowly until you have it pretty much memorised. It comes with time, but yes, as someone who as a child learnt to play the violin, and who now struggles daily to practise the piano, I think about the violin pieces that I used to have to learn to play and wonder at how easy they would look to me now.

I agree with others' analogy of words. It really is like that. Once you begin to recognize patterns, it becomes much easier. Even when playing one note with saxophone, you probably thought in terms of whether the music was getting higher or lower, or making a big jump somewhere. Those relationships between notes are easier to grasp intuitively on piano than they are on any other instrument - that's why I'm college piano is used to explain music theory, no matter what someone's primary instrument is. Human brains are capable of processing immense amounts of data- they do it in ordinary, everyday life - like with everything else, it's a matter of practice. Edit: also, the person playing this is definitely not reading it this quickly. They would have played it more slowly in the beginning and practiced to build up the muscle memory necessary to play it at this speed. Now they probably have it nearly memorized and what they have memorized may be something like "I, V7, I, vi, V, V7/V, V, V7," which covers the entire first two lines of the sheet music. I say "something like" because chances are good that they're not at all thinking in words, but simply feeling/recalling the relationships between the chords. It is hard to explain, but as you begin learning an instrument, your brain begins cataloging patterns- that's what brains do best! So I'm sure you'll be able to learn to read piano music. Maybe not as quickly as you'd like, but also maybe more quickly than you would have guessed possible. You won't know until you try!

you'll be fine; at least the piano is in concert pitch!

😲 I didn't bother with the tough and boring Hanon until about 5-6 years in. Take it easy, have fun whatever you do, and try to develop many different skills along the way 😊

😲 I didn't bother with the tough and boring Hanon until about 5-6 years in. Take it easy, have fun whatever you do, and try to develop many different skills along the way 😊

Obviously, you posted this a while ago so this is probably going to come across as a bit weird but if you had been playing the piano for a month and bought Hanon I'm guessing that you don't have a teacher. Be careful with Hanon. If it's done with tension and incorrect technique in an attempt to play fast it is potentially dangerous. I am not exaggerating. Denis Zhdanov has a course where he teaches economical movement with Hanon. I haven't bought it myself but the guy really knows his stuff. If you get the basics down with Hanon and learn the correct hand movements it will definitely bring your playing on quickly but it is a potential hand killer. It's also hard to play Hanon without tension at the recommended tempos and it's tempting to play through the tightness. I've been there.

@@garethharrison5797 Thanks Gareth- I do have a teacher but I currently play mini versions of the Hanon exercises, usually just covering one octave with each hand so about half the length of the originals and I don't play them at the full tempo

@@kandamy1 Cool. Enjoy!

Around 10 notes per second at the max indicated tempo.

@@thenotsookayguy i thought it would be more

@@justintimetoclashandbrawl3348 I mean if you count the chirds and stuff, it's should go above 30.

so it looks way cooler lmao

I assume its because the rhythmic divisions are a lot more specific if you write it out this way. Plus, it's a better way to visual a tremolo for an intermediate player who would need to know that.

My guess is the composer did and then the printed edition was made to look like this

Because you’re supposed to practice the rhythm as well. It’s much harder to force people to actually practice the technique thoroughly if you just indicate a tremolo shorthand. Plus, if it’s just empty note heads, an indicated tempo won’t actually make any sense because the speed of the tremolo is not indicated, only the length

@@pineapple7024 lol the speed is indicated, not if the tremolos are notated with a quaver you play each note as a semi quaver.

Yes I played this - although I did do multiple takes, edits etc. so I guess it wasn't that impressive :P I would love to play the Pathétique! Thanks for listening

@@mi-nt what? this is SO not a real piano-- it's clearly a midi device.

Wasn't impressive? That is insane

@@patrick99e99 If this is a MIDI device then it's very well done. It sounds 100% real, and from experience, I can say that takes a shit ton of time. So either way, impressive. I don't know what you hear about this performance that screams "MIDI!" to you, but to me it's either a real performance or a well crafted MIDI one.

@@mi-nt this is a midi

Rachmaninoff did. 🙂

@@jimlees4162 he played them, along with many other exercises. Hanon alone isn't the reason we have Rachmaninoff lol.

Lhevinne too

This channel

@@juicedelemon Masterful rendition, man! Not online the speed and the technique, but the dynamics and use of pedal are fantastic.

@@nd7915 thank you!

@@nd7915 oh no i meant the person who posted this video

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Show us how to play it then

Ha, ha, ha! Comme dirait Marc-André Hamelin, "Ha, non!"

Que comentário lixo e desnecessário!

@@leviguedes1968 Ok, if you insist on studying Hanon, a good way to go is to play it as Rachmaninoff did, starting with Part 1 no. 1 and always hold the first note -the first finger in the RH and the 5th finger in the LH going up and the 5th finger in the RH and the first finger in the LH going down- and repeat the last four notes, so that it makea four groups of sixteenth notes in a bar. Play through in all the keys chromatically, always holding the first note, alternating each new key "piano" and "forte", slow and fast. It's all written using the major scale, try substituting the whole tone scale, the two diminished scales, the chromatic scale. As for the tremelo etude, if you insist on studying it, start by removing the tremelo figuration and play each chord as a block chord, then slowly add in the tremelo figuration; put a tiny fernata on each new chord, then tremelo (using rotation) your way to the next new chord/fermata, amd so on and so on. Cramer Etude no. 3 in the Von Bulow ed. (No. 12 in the original numbering system) is a great complimentary rotation exercise. Read "Lives of the Great Pianists" to learn more about Daniel Steibelt, who is referenced in the comments for "the tremelo" from most accounts his playing would make you shudder more than shiver. Read Heinrich Neuhaus "Art of Piano Playing," read Josef Hoffman's "Piano Playing; With Questions Answered." Pick up Dean Elder's "Pianists at Play," it's where I got the info on Rachmaninoff's approach to Hanon. Listen to Horowitz to understand the full range of possibilities the piano offers. Play great music, have fun.