Hard Cast Wood Penetration Test- .45 ACP, 44 SPL,.38 SPL, 10mm, .357 Mag &.44 Mag 

Gave you a thumbs up and really appreciate your content. Not sure what the drama is here but hope you continue to produce videos for us. I get a lot of enjoyment (and also information) out of these so thank you again for all that you do.

@@sliptap Thanks. And to clarify, I do not block people who have different opinions, I do not block if they disagree and say "you should have done this or that" or "you did it all wrong". When that happens, all I do is I don't "love" the comment, the comments stay and no big deal. The people who get blocked, are 100% in a bracket of people that comment in this fashion, I will make up a fictional comment but it will illustrate it; "you are so dumb, why did you do it like that literally NO ONE thinks your tests are any good, moron". Those are the type of people who when I try to respond, I typically get the better on them and end the argument with "well you seem to be an expert, so will you please link your video of you doing it better than how I did it so we can compare". This makes people mad, and they keep going on and on and on, so I block them. Then these people keep me in their new video alerts just so they can know when to go on and click thumbs down. It's really sad, but my point is that them being hidden is from their behavior, not mine. I just want a peaceful experience here, and those who disagree and are good people understand how to give constructive criticism. Like, for me I rarely make negative, or should I say criticism comments, but when I feel the need to I do not start up like "you moron, like do you even know anything, are you dumb?" (like the way trolls troll me), but rather I know people put a lot of work into their videos so I try to be nice. The way I see it, even if someone's video is "bad", i'm not going to comment like there's no person behind that video. I comment knowing that a person probably spent hours making it, so it's their project and not much should be argued about what they put out unless there's a massive amount of misinformation. Which, I don't get it when people troll me for "misinformation", as my chronograph don't lie, my gun's reliability don't lie and the ballistic test don't lie lol.

@@GunSam Thank you for taking the time to further clarify your comment. I've done (minor compared to you) some video editing in the past and it isn't easy work. As you pointed out in a previous post, these 10 minute videos can take 10 hours of effort and it's insane how people don't realize the dedication it takes. Anyway, I can definitely see how that would be frustrating or annoying, so kudos to you for handling it better than most of us would. Your videos are very informative and provide a different perspective than the usual "clear ballistics gel tests". The best part is all of your tests are repeatable (like any good benchmark) and allows us to compare everything apples:apples. Thanks again for all that you do and I'm already looking forward to whatever you decide to put out next for us. Grateful that you decide to share your information with us.

@@sliptap you are right, Sam, don't let these assholes stop you from making excellent videos.

@@sliptap This video was actually one of the easier videos. The setup for my normal videos requires 3 cameras and setting up everything right. So much checking of cameras and all of that. Then in editing, because I use 1080 at 60 frames, editing the chronograph and jug or not box camera into the main video is difficult, it's glitches bad so I have to rely on audio, lining up audio until both play my voice with no echo, that way I know the video is lined up, then mute the secondary audio. This video was just wood and one camera, very easy to film and edit. That's half the reason I do videos like this, they are easy and fun and easy to edit. But even so this easy video was an hour of disassembling the box and filming, and another couple hours on the PC to edit right because of lighting and the longest part was the text at the end into the video. But still, relatively easy compared to my normal videos.

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Yeah it's a good round!

Ive killed 3 black bear with a S&W 627 in 357 mag.

4" and greater barrel length required however. Run hard cast in a carbine length barrel and the velocity gains are VERY significant. Buffalo Bore rates that an additional 476 FPS going from 4" to a 18.5".

@@exothermal.sprocket I built a IMR4227 180 gr lead bear load. It does 1090 from a 4" revolver and 1550 from an 18" Marlin. But the powder charge is larger in the rifle only load. Because of ammo weight and costs the Marlin has replaced a 30-30 as my trail gun.

@@mikethefarrier Why?

I also tested the 10mm, 44 mag and .357 mag Buffalo Bore in the past, did a simulated charge attack by having targets at 25, 15 and 7 yards. The .357 won.

@@GunSam I can't say I'm surprised. .357 Mag was a big deal when it was first introduced, new powder, primer, and bullet technology has only made it better.

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Thank you. And what's very funny is that all of my videos are generally about that long. I don't ever plan them this way, that's just how they turn out. I get maybe 30 minutes of film when I shoot, and when I edit them they're generally 10-12 minutes.

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Albert , I do agree

I been wanting for a long time to do more of a real home penetration test with sheet rock and all of that, but it becomes a pretty intensive setup to do all of that.

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Glad you like them!

Thank you. And .357 is really the easiest to shoot.

@@GunSam In North America there is nothing .357 can't do. From mouse farts for rabbits and birds through bear killers. It's my shtf cartridge.

Thanks for watching. Yeah this video surprised me a little, but in the past what I have seen with other hard cast testing is that there are less differences between them than any other bullet styles.

We just added a 357 lever to our family recently. The wife shoots it well. :) I'll have to try the Lil Gun powder. I am just getting into loading and have been using W231 for 38 sp and H110 for 357.

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I use my M&P pistols all the time. Got two 5" ones in 9mm and .40 S&W/.357 Sig. A lot of people tell me my issues are me, but I find it funny that my M&P's run nearly flawlessly with everything. My M&P 9 has probably 5,000 rounds over 3 years, mostly HP ammo and not even one malfunction. My M&P .40 has probably 3,500 rounds, maybe 5-8 malfunctions in 3 years with a few different HP .40 S&W and .357 Sig ammo.

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Thanks, you too. I also plan a wood test where I test several .44 Mag rounds VS several 9mm rounds to see it .44 Mag really does over-penetrate. My guess will be it will with soft point ammo, but not the lighter HP ammo.

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Thanks for watching!

Thank you.

Thank you. This one was pretty easy in general. The water jugs ones are the real work.

Thanks. I really like .357 Mag from a 4" barrel. Seems to be a great combination.

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Thank you. It's really interesting how .357 Mag is more versatile than anything else. No cartridge family can go from about a 90 gr .38 Short Colt 100 ft lbs to 180 gr .357 Mag 800 ft lbs, in the same 4" gun and be shootable with them all. I mean, .44 Mag is nice, but when times are tough and you might have to cast some lead bullets, a .357 Mag will go a lot further.

@@GunSam You said it, Sam, Versatility and that in spades.

Thanks. I like wood because it's neither really hard nor soft. Really it's a nice balance for a "mass" test. A medium dense hard/soft super dense material.

🤣🤣Gotta watch out for them mobile lumberyards they'll snick up on quick.

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a 3" K frame or so would be the do it all gun. But 2" and 4" are good too. A nice steel .357 Mag that's bigger than a J-frame is always pretty good.

@@GunSam I tried to get an S&W model 65, because it's what alot of oklahoma State troopers use to use, but they are hard to find and the price tag is no joke. I settled on a taurus 65 and honestly, it's everything I could have asked for minus the looks. I find the 4" inch barrel is very easy to balance on the POA. You have any thoughts on a good 45 auto platform? The Ruger american compact looks interesting.

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Nice.

What gun did you use? (And I assume it was a handgun and not a PCC?) and at what distance?

Thank you, you too.

I'm even convinced (even though I never been to Alaska) that a good .357 Mag could stop a grizzly bear.

@@GunSam you are correct. There was a fishing guide up here, that did his homework, and dropped a charging Grizzly with six shots from a 9mm using B.B hard cast +P rounds. I have a 500 S&W Mag but carry a 7 shot GP 100 .357 with 180 gr. hard cast almost exclusively when I'm out in the woods. Every once in a while I carry my 10mm if I think I might need the double stack capacity, (if there is a people threat as well as bear).

@@brian-in-ak I read a story several years ago where some guy up there had some sort of 15 shot Taurus pistol, (unknown ammo), and he shot a charging grizzly and it was something like shot 15 stopped the bear just in time, just feet from him. Now that's cutting it close.

A regular run of the mill .357 probably could not beat this .38, but then Buffalo Bore said "hold my beer".

That 38 stings out of the Taurus 605 but I still 👍 like it

@@GunSam Are you sure? The 357 is much higher pressure than even the 38+p. 500fps increase is no joke.

@@chrisbonnett6783 I'm saying that this .38+P round was 520 ft lbs energy. I cannot count the number of ".357 Magnum" rounds that were less than that power. The Hornady Critical Duty and American Gunner are two that comes to mind being less than 520 ft lbs in the 4" barrel. Corbon DPX was less than 500 ft lbs, Federal 180 gr was less than 500 ft lbs. There's a bunch more I just can't remember them at the moment. On average .357 Mag from Speer, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady will produce about 550 ft lbs energy in a 4" barrel.

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I have 357 HC 200g loaded for bear when I hike the north woods of WI. It will come out the other side, bone or no bone, it's a beast for a beast.

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Thanks! The reason I haven't done a video on the best .357 Mag for a snub nose yet is that there are so few rounds that I would call great in it, so I was waiting until I get more on the list to make a video, but that might take years. Currently, without hesitation I am going to say for .357 Mag snub specific, the 135 gr Gold Dot short barrel .357 Mag is the best, it is designed to be exactly what it is. Now number two is the Hornady American Gunner 125 gr. This falls more into the class of being poorly loaded for a true .357 Mag as to save money, but the opposite side of that is it performs perfectly in a snub and just like the Gold Dot, has very low recoil. If you want to go the non-HP route, the ARX .357 Mag 86 gr did great, and like the other two it's great because the recoil was low yet it performed well without over penetrating. The Barnes Tac-XP 110 gr is another good round if you want no lead in a bullet, low recoil good damage. Also the Hornady Handgun Hunter 130 gr did excellent, low recoil and perfect performance. Those are all I can think of currently so here's the links and maybe you can decide: ARX ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cwmVxuBuq88.html&t TACXP ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5hHe8PnfHc8.html&t Gold Dot ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vDDhblyjhBM.html&t American Gunner ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c_ZyrAZuqDI.html&t Hornady Handgun Hunter ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V7WEEPtbtCE.html&t

Thanks. Funny thing is that most of what people see as good ideas are just out of necessity. Like I can't find this ammo, or this gun or whatever, so I think of what I can do with what I already have.

Thanks. Not yet, but I have a test planned to do .44 Mag HP's and soft points VS 9mm HP's and FMJ in wood to see of .44 Mag really does over penetrate. I'm excited to test it as I'm using 9mm Gold Dot+p, HST+P, Defender+p and others VS mid power .44 Mag ammo.

To be fair, they were both the edge of the wood stack.

Thanks. It was Underwood 158 gr .38 Special+P hard cast.

@@GunSam ok thanks!

Many bullets will work. Interestingly enough my ex father in law who was my ex's dad, her name was Paula, would talk a lot about killing deer. He's killed hundreds. He said "oh a 9mm will knock the snot out of a deer". So anything between deer and hogs 9mm and up will do well. But then online "experts" say no less than .44 Mag will work for anything.

Thanks. And in the past I did a video with 10mm vs 44 vs 357 with a simulated bear attack, shooting fast at a target at 25, 15 and 7 yards to simulate a charging bear. I couldn't add the 10m into the equation because my pistol is not reliable, but I think it would do well. But between .44 mag and .357 mag I called it that the .357 Mag is a better choice. Very easy to shoot even with this round, as where even lower recoil .44 Mag I could not place shots well. So considering the .357 did just as well in that ballistic test, I say .357 Mag is a better choice.

@@GunSam I was set on .357 until I talked to some people about it that swore that .44 was the holy grail of firearms for outdoors. I have shot them and it is a little difficult to stay on target in a hurry situation. I have a .45 colt but it won't fire hotter loads or it would be what I would use I really like that round. I am seriously considering staying with my initial thought of a 3" .357 to carry on long hikes as opposed to an even heavier .44 mag. Any experience with a Taurus 692? It gives you a .357, .38 and 9mm ability although I am not a fan of 9mm but it's cheaper than the others for practice. I have a few Taurus revolvers already and they have been great including an old .357 with a 6" barrel but I never carry it it's too big and it wouldn't work for hiking.

A hot loaded 45 LC (Buffalo Bore’s offerings) rivals a 44 mag in terms of velocity and energy.

I don't have a lot of experience with .45 Colt other than shooting a few in a friend's .460 Mag revolver. I have been somewhat interested in .45 Colt, but in a purist type of way, such as I wouldn't mind a single action army revolver, but if I did that I would do .45 Colt for sure, not .357 Mag like some people like to do.

@@GunSam no doubt! I've always loved the 45 colt cartridge but it wasnt until recent years I got into it with my first SAA. Very mild recoil and pleasant to shoot, but I love the old guns and calibers and am amazed at how good they actually are by all the stuff we have today. If you ever get the chance mabey you can borrow one for the channel for testing, mabey some hard cast and cowboy loads. Honestly though if you play with the cartridge enough you'll end up falling in love with it, plus single actions are just damn cool.

I replaced the barrel with a Lone Wolf Alphawolf, then an NDZ 22 lb recoil spring, then a 10mm extractor and 10mm magazines.

Thanks for you reply. Just curious are you having problems with failure to feed with just Buffalo bore ammo or all types of ammo. I have G21 and I would like to get the 10mm conversion as well. It’s nice to be able to shoot 45 ACP and the more powerful 10mm. Thanks

Thanks. I just used regular old .44 Mag, 255 gr and whatever I mentioned, something like 850 ft lbs or so, so a hard cast at about average magnum power. I wouldn't use the +P+ LOL. I like, my wrists.

@@GunSam I have some lol if you would like some. It's like a small tube of lipstick. 😄

If the revolver is rated for +P it would be fine.