🔨 Hard Cast Dangerous Animal 🐻 Ballistic Test - 9mm, 10mm, .38 SPL .357 Mag & .44 Mag 

That was my thought. SD is key to penetration. I carried a Garret 330 gr hardcast that goes 1400 fps from my Super Redhawk while elk hunting in grizzly country. In the Linebaugh Seminar tests, that round penetrated something like 4 feet. The grizzlies must have heard about it because they stayed away from me.

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Thank you. The .357 Mag is hard to beat. I often see it do things that the .44 Mag can do, but with half the recoil.

Thanks. I fished as a kid down there. You see water but that's just an area that fills and drains throughout the year. About 100 yards back is the river.

And accuracy

Thank you, take care.

I was surprised as well. I learned something new today. Like, if I had used fleece as a backstop, I think the bullets would have stopped. I figured by the end of the gel there's no way they can punch through a thin piece of wood or fiberboard or whatever I used I had found. Next time i'm putting up my 6" x 8" 3A fiberglass plate.

Absolutely. With cast bullets Bigger is definitely Better.

@@bobjones-bt9bh Not to be controversial on energy of calibers, but energy has absolutely nothing at all to do with it. If the central nervous system is not taken out, the bear will keep coming. Same thing with lesser attackers, needing vital organs and/or central nervous system taken out. That means shot placement with enough penetration. Period. 44 magnum does not hit the target any harder than it hits your hand. Try slapping a charging bear sometime. Won't do much.

@@nathanlambshead4778 Shot placement, then penetration and expansion last if at all. I carry a snub and use underwood standard pressure 148Gr rated at 1000fps from a 4" and 158gr plus p rated at 1000 fps again from a 4" so I think they will travel at about 900 from a 2.25" model 640 Smith. Accuracy and penetration count the most.

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Reaching vital organs is more important then wound diameter

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Thank you

Animals need to drop--not dance.

44 mag will drop them quicker bigger bullet= more tissue damage.

@@texasbeast239 LOL.

@@rockie307 10.9mm vs 9.1mm

Yeah .44 magnum is asinine. Makes 10mm look weak when its very powerful

Yeah it's all about what round you use and the powders of course. There's 9mm rounds now that compare right with 357sig and 40s+w, 45acp, differences are negligible at best. One thing I've noticed over the past year watching bang bang channels, this guy will gladly and convienteley find the shortest straw when comparing 9mm just to mess with the trolls. I see he got a nibble with you bub😆.

It would tumble out of a snub probably won't get the penetration but the damage would be amazing

@@originallonewolf6643 it wouldn't tumble, it would just be a bit slower.

A 158gr SWC is very much a known quantity in terminal behavior . Never say never for something like hitting heavy bone at an oblique angle , but they will usually penetrate point forewards in a straight line . Given Underwood's proprietary powders and higher velocities , from a 2 to 2.5 inch bbl , velocity should be similar to " normal " top end +P from a 4 inch , I'd guess upper 900's . For historical context , the 1125 fps Sam measured , was the 1940's era spec for .38-44 .

@@margarethouse404 I'm really behind the curve there. I'm looking for 755 fps out of a 2" barrel and hoping that recoil is not that bad from a J-Frame.

@@margarethouse404actually way off. The underwood lipstick loads reach 1100 fps from my 1.8 inch 442. They do not tumble in the tests I’ve seen and penetrate very far. I carry these rounds in my snub nose when hiking, bow hunting, during winter, use underwood 125 grain gold dots for summer/fall edc. Sometimes I just stick with the hardcast. It’s a legitimate 400+ ft lbs energy cartridge out of a 1.8 inch barrel. They WOULD punch through a bear skull as long as placement was proper.

Thanks. I don't shoot great, just as good as someone who shoots 50 rounds a week.

9mm for the hoods 10mm for the woods it’s literally that simple. Get with the times old man.

@@SoWavvyy I rely on proven results when it comes to stopping threats,.. not cute catch phrases. A for effort sport 👍🏻

@@flyinryan7340 that’s literally the definition of the “catch phrase”. You’ve been under a rock a long time.

@@SoWavvyy Damn.. you seem desperate to prove, something 😂 Literally nothing you said pertains to how a 40s&w or 45acp would compare. You should save your "real world" wisdom for the COD lobby. Best of luck mate 🍻

@@flyinryan7340 Hop on the game let’s play

That incident I read about on the BB site was the first thing to come to mind when I saw the 9MM included here. IIRC it went thru like 16" of grizz.

I might have to. Been getting a few requests for it.

Ummm….I live and hunt Alaska….trust me when I say 40 cal is NOT what you want to be carrying if you have something better.

Buffalo Bore is generally better than Underwood in revolver rounds. But this particular Underwood .38 is about even with Buffalo Bore.

As I commented above , with boutique UW , BB , or equivalent handloads , the snub velocities will be similar to mainstream loads from a 4 inch , if that meets your actual or perceived requirements / druthers, you're good for power . But the limiting factor will then be the snubnose Guns . ie , the capability to make fairly quick , precise first shot Hits , and reasonably fast . precise follow up Hits . You ( everyone ) would need to realistically be able to shoot it as quickly and accurately as a 4 inch or longer gun . Can it be done ? Depends on the gun and the shooter . * For Me * , a 2.75 in Speed Six is fully there , and 2 in K Frame is there at least up to level of mainstream +P . J Frames ? Even back in the day of constant practising with Other People's Ammunition , J Frame was about 2/3 the shooting potential of a medium frame gun . And in training and observing people less dedicated to constantly practicing , the difference was huge . Am I the be all and end all of Revolver skills ? Of course not , and one of Sam's viewers may well be . But I've observed and coached enough hundreds to have a decent handle on expectations . Sufficient for two legged felon defense , out to say 15 yds ? Reasonable and achievable goal . Making quick head shots on agitated and moving quickly by: Yogi ? Probably not .

@@margarethouse404 I don't see any comments above? Anyway, My woods 357 carry is a Smith K Frame, all steel, 2.5 inch barrel. I can fire it rapidly enough. BUt I am also well aware of the adrenaline and stress of an actual attack (Experienced it when 2 American bulldogs attacked me and the missus on our rural road morning walk) At that time, as per usual in summer, I was just carrying my pocket 380. One shot dissipated the situation, with nobody hurt. Except one of the dogs. All happened in about 15 seconds, but I swear time was in slow motion, as well as fast forward at the same time. People have no idea.

@Hans Stein I was aware of the Tanfoglio CZ repro, didn't know CZ made one.

The Springfield XDM Elite 10mm holds 17 rounds. its a very nice platform, especially with a grip wrap and a gas pedal.

I had some doubletap .40 220gr hard cast and was shooting them from a full size sig 1911 at steel from a distance of 40yds; a piece of cast bullet managed to bounce back and hit the hat I was wearing at the time. Definitely comparable hardness to steel.

@@SuspiciousGanymede Hard cast is an interesting metal. FMJ's jackets are harder than hard cast but the center is softer. Hard cast is this just generally hard through and through thing. I would imagine a traditional cup and core bullet might deform less through thin metal, but thicker stuff or multiple barriers like lots of drywall, a hard cast would deform way less.

How would a Winchester 94 30/30 170 grain Core Lokt do on them wild boar? or 12 ga 00 buckshot? My sister lives near Spurger in the piney woods.

@@markmuch1295 A partner of mine used a 150gr Hornady flatpoint in 30-30 and dropped 'em like flys! 00 buck, up close is brutal. Even knew a professional hog trapper that shot 'em with a 22LR with great success hitting 'em behind the ear. Avoid the skull and the scapula (shoulder bones). They're like armored plate to smaller rounds.

Then you start talking 357 hard cast out of a rifle.....

@@hillbillynick2000 OHHHHH yes out of a rifle barrel the 357 becomes a whole new animal and a reallll performer no kidding.

The interesting question is how would the 357 done with a 158 SWC @ 1350- ish vs the 180gr ?

@@margarethouse404 for me, it would be interesting to see how 180 grain did at sub sonic

A short barrel, being these no real deformation would simply penetrate less if a 158 gr.

Yes but the 9mm not at all. A regular 124gr fmj would penetrate much more.

@@Gieszkanne 9mm isn't a dangerous game round in any loading

@@joemorganeatmyshortschannel Why I threw it in. More or less Buffalo Bore is marketing it as such with their claim "PHIL SHOEMAKER, AN ALASKAN GUIDE FOR 33 YEARS, USES 9MM OUTDOORSMAN IN AN S&W 3954 TO STOP AN ATTACKING GRIZZLY". Figured I would show it in the test.

@@GunSam makes sense

The most impresive by his power for sure

Probably. When I used to have a model 629 6" I would shoot 300 gr a lot. Not doing in this gun lighter than my 686 lol

For sure. 255gr isn't particularly heavy for .44 caliber. 220gr is the max for 10mm.

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I think it tumbled, which I have seen in many 147 gr loads in many pistols.

I can’t explain why the BB 9mm didn’t “perform”, but I can’t image it being a bad batch, Buffalo Bore is some of the best ammo available, period. Not to say it can never happen, but if someone like Phil Shoemaker trusts it, I know that I would put my faith in it. Very strange performance.

Weird ballistics. Like every physical phenomenon its have so many variables that sometimes will have very weird results.

I think 147 gr is just too long for most pistols. I suspect tumbling.

Bullet design . An SWC that is reasonably faithful to Elmer Keith's designs is an extremely effective and versatile shape . The 9mm Flat Nose is inherently a compromise to ensure feed reliability . But yes , 147gr in 9x19 is inherently a major design tradeoff . To maintain COL and feed profile . the 147 takes up a lot of internal case volume , reducing powder space . Optimal bullet weight for 9x19 is probably +\- 124 gr . 9mm is still worthy of discussion in this context . For much of the gun owning public that started out in recent decades , have only owned semiautos . And more than a few of them that are of hunting backgrounds , when they do venture into bear country for hiking or camping , a full size 9mm IS their most suitable handgun . And 9mm fmj has been used in the real world to drop large Alaskan Bears . The caveat is with the coolness of marksmanship to make a brain shot . But. that's the goal for close range bear defense with any handgun . We see here that 9mm is more affected than the other ctgs by the change to carpet & and 1/2 in MDF . The follow up would be to test this 147 hard cast vs a 124 - ish hard cast vs NATO spec 124 fmj .

I have done a lot of tests like this. Just how they perform.

Maybe, but I am trying to simply double the MDF so it can relate to my typical setup I used with hollow points. Typically 1/4" takes off about 2" of penetration, 1/2" takes off 4" and so on. With ones stopped I can relate to how it compares to a hollow point. Like 37" is 41" of straight gel and so on. Sounds confusing but it's how I have it. Next test will have some 3A plate in the back.