Are you thinking about doing a Stage 1 or Stage 2 to your Harley? If so or if you are curious to learn the increases in HP and TQ with a Stage 1 or Stag 2 upgrade, then check this out. You will also get the comparison between a 114 Stage 2 and 117 Stage 1, a cold start and warm idle comparison and all the HP and TQ numbers from a stock and upgraded perspective. Leave a comment below if you are surprised when you hear the HP and TQ comparisons. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Thanks for this video. I have a 2022 SGS 114 and am going to do the stage 2. I bought 3 years extra warranty so I too have to stick with Screaming Eagle cam to keep warranty valid. A very good honest video, I appreciate you.
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New subscriber. ‘18 Heritage 114. 72K miles. Enjoyed your content, as I came to many of the same conclusions as you after visiting with my service advisor. Obviously warranty was not a factor, but reliability was. My last softail was traded in with 133K on the odometer, hope to run this one to 150K. Wish me luck!
Thanks Doug for watching, commenting, and subscribing. Sounds like you get some great longevity out of your bikes. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
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@HDVIBE No problem. Did you see the Harley Davidson release of the new motor? 135 !! Kyle Wyman hit 180mph in Daytona. Ya Buddy!! I have 2019 Street glide special with the Woods cam 22xe and stock exhaust moded to a 2 to1 possibly with the baffle delete. Elvira definitely moves and sounds nice. I just wish the mushroom shaped air filters were a little bit flatter for knee room
I have a stock 114 on my FLTRK and I’m happy with it. I ride it on trips and I’ve found it to be sufficient for my needs. I did upgrade to Revo A shocks in the rear and I definitely need a stereo speaker upgrade.
Just did the stage 2 on my 2019 FLTRU. Wood 22x, JackPot 2-1-2 header, S&S GNX MUFFLERS, S&S Oil pump, Tapps and and cuffs. It’s a vast improvement. 120hp, 133 torque. Sounds great and moves like the wind. Fuel Moto provided everything including Dyno tech power vision tune. Highly recommend. Subscriber.
Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing. Sounds like a great set up. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
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I have a 2022 Road Glide St with 117 M8. Did a stage 2 with a Star 30-30 cam, 50 MM S&S manifold, D&D 2-1 Billet Cat with Vortex baffle. Just had it Dyno-tuned the other day with power vision and got 123 HP and 135 TQ at the rear wheel. Max torque hits at 3k rpm. Keep in mind, when a manufacture quotes horsepower and torque figures, it always at the crank, which is much higher than the rear wheel, so not a fair comparison.
Thanks Todd for the info. Sounds like you really have your bike dialed in. Those are some really nice numbers. I can't imagine riding a bike with that much torque. Must be incredible. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
My dealer was shilling this exact set up. I never took the plunge. I have 2022 RG CVO with the black chrome so limited choices if I want to keep exhaust matching. And after a full year of the endless opinions on cams I’m kindof left wondering if max power necessarily equates to max riding enjoyment. I’ve heard stories of people with 131 kits that hated riding them at lower speeds. And I wonder if a cam that is more middle of the road may be something nicer to cruise with. Do you have any thoughts on this and are you completely happy with the direction you went? Do you find that you need to clutch the bike more at low speeds? Is it still comfortable lower speed group ride cruising?
My experience with the SE8 447 cam has been very positive. No change in ride except when I want to twist the throttle a bit harder and you feel the extra torque and power. Also at slow speed I have no issues. I recently spent a few hours doing slow speed maneuvers on the range and was perfectly comfortable with the set up. If you are a subscriber already....thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
I have a 2022 RG special with the stage two torque cam installed with the tuner all covered under warranty on my 114. I’m happy with it. Once the warranty expires I may do a big bore kit.
Thanks Casey for watching and commenting. Sounds like a good option once your warranty is up. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Man you have a hit on your hands 3.7k views in less than 24 hrs so nice. Love the summary. I loved my Stage 2 on my Heritage and it was so much fun to ride this bike. Nothing wrong with OEM components but yea you will squeeze more with aftermarket Great video 👍✌️
Thanks Art for checking out this week's release. This was a fun one to make and the bike is even more fun now. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Had a s/e stage 2 torque cam in my 114-then swapped to s&s 475 Worlds of difference, with an aftermarket tune ofcourse The torque cams hardly noticeable once up to speed, the 475 actually keeps pulling the more you roll it on Wouldnt waste my time or money with a s/e cam or dealer tune again.. also sounds far superior I get that people leave the 117 stock as its probably “enough” power but if your going to do it do it right this time and do an s&s 475 or redshift 468 or alike in the 117 with the whole kit not just the cam Screw the warranty screaming eagle cams are useless Once you have a proper stage 2 unless your racing its more than enough for the street If it makes the 114 go hard the 117 would only go even better Had no issues what so ever with reliability etc so warranty has not been an issue its a reliable kit aslong as installed and tuned accordingly
Thanks Luke for all the info. This is very helpful. I may put a 475 in at some point in the RGS. Since I have the entire cam chest changed out, I'd just need to have the cam dropped in and get a different tuner. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍
I have a 22 Road King Special, Fuelmoto Jackpot 2-1-2 head pipes, DBX-45 mufflers, SE-447 cam, Power Vision tuner with a tune from Fuelmoto. I started with stock head pipes and a SE Canned tune. The difference in power and sound is night and day better with the Fuelmoto setup
Great video and comparison! Not surprised with your preference on the 114 vs 117. Stage 2 completely changes the bike in my opinion! Would highly recommend it on the 117 :)
The reason I don't stick with HD Stage 1 and 2 is simple. A 107 with a non OEM stage 2 and proper dyno beats a stock 117. I get that HD has to follow EPA regulations, but an aftermarket cam, exhaust and air cleaner shouldn't be able to beat a stock 117, yet it does simply because the EPA has hamstrung HD so badly.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. The 107 as you mentioned definitely can be tuned to out do the 117 or even bigger motors. It's all about the tune and if dyno tuning it's all about the guy doing the tuning. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
I have a 23 Road Glide ST. I put stage 1 with Harley Street Cannon slip-ons and Pro Street Tuner. I also added the Harley Smart Tune Pro. Admittedly the bike runs great and has excellent power. But, having more money than sense, I somehow want more. Tech I talked to told me Harley did not offer the torque cam in the 117 ST as it was so close to the 447 that you could not feel the difference. I am looking at the Screaming Eagle Power Cam (462). Many commenters in various forums state that with this cam you will lose low end torque, however all of these were installations in 107's and 114's. If you look at Harley's dyno chart you see significant increases across the board. Also comments by people who actually put this cam in their 117's report more power at all RPM's from stock and are very happy. My bike came with a lifetime warranty and as such I'm going to use Harley parts installed by dealership in my drivetrain.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I also have studied the torque and HP curves for the 117 with the 462 cam. It's definitely an increase over the stock 432 cam and looks like a nice upgrade. I'm still debating if I will upgrade the cam on my 2023 ST or go to the Stage 3 122 kit. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on the 462 cam if you go that route. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Great technical video Rick ! If you’re happy with the 114 upgrade (and I am sure you are) I would keep the 117 as is. Upgrades seems to be a never ending approach to chase your tail. (It never ends) Cheers amigo.
I have a 2022 Lowrider M8 117. It's a beast I'm still getting use to. Highway speed in Florida is typical 70 with most people doing 80. I have to remind myself there is a 6th gear because 80 in 5th is so smooth. Twist the throttle at 70 and I was shocked how quickly I got to 90. Practically speaking I'm not sure spending the money for a stage 2 is worth but who ever said what we do on motorcycles is practical.
Thanks Paul for watching and commenting. Great perspective in your comment. I'm sure your Low Rider is a beast with the 117. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Thanks for reaching out on facebook and all the info u gave me for my st street glide on a stage 2 really appreciate you. Imma do that stage 2 S&S462 cam
Thanks for watching, commenting and being a subscriber to the channel. It's the SE8 462 cam....not the S&S 462. Glad I was able to help with some clearer information. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍
I did the Screamin' Eagle Stage II on my 2021 Road Glide Limited, all Harley Parts except for V&H Torquer 450 slip ons. HUGE difference in seat of the pants testing, looking forward to warmer weather and getting out for a good long tour test.
Thanks Paul for watching and commenting. The Stsge 2 really woke up the bike and leads to a bigger smile when I'm out on the road with it. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊
Thanks Paul for watching and commenting. The Stsge 2 really woke up the bike and leads to a bigger smile when I'm out on the road with it. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊
I had a 117 stage 1 Lowrider S and a 114 stage 1 Fatbob. Was hoping Harley would bring out a 117 Fatbob, as I could really feel difference between the two bikes, alas no such luck. So I did the same thing, bought a new 114 Fatbob, and had the dealer install the SE stage 2 kit 447 CAM. what a difference its made, totally feels more lively and responsive than the 117
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Hey Rick.....great video brotherman. . I hit the "subscribe" and "like" button 30 seconds into the video which I never do. This is easily one of the very best videos I have seen on Harleys and engine comparisons. . I turn 62 next month and buying a new Harley Low Rider ST for my Birthday. My last Bike almost 20 years ago was a 825 lb Street Glide with the massive 88 cubic engine🤣. When I saw the Low Rider ST with the stock 117 engine and weighing 100 lbs less than a Street Glide I new this is my next bike because when you are a fossil like me, the lighter the better. Plus that's a big freakin engine. I was going to do a stage 1 but somehow you convinced me to do a stage 2 before I even pickup the bike. I remember riding a 103 CVO Street King back in the day during one of the Harley tours where you test ride all their bikes and was blown away how a stock engine had more pull than the stage 3 I did on my Softail Deluxe at the time. The only thing I am worried about is a stage 2 on a 117 may be too much and rip the arms off this old man when I twist the throttle. All joking aside I need to quickly decide on a stage 1 or 2 before the bike leaves the dealership. Any thoughts my friend? And will say when you started up both bikes the 114 with the cam sounded a tad meatier and grawlier which is why I am thinking to go with a stage 2 now. Problem is I am a senior citizen now so don't want a bike I can't handle. Never though I would say those words. And I guarantee your YT channel is going to grow exponentially fast. Just keep putting out great content like this video. Safe travels my friend. 🙏.
Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing. I appreciate your very kind words and support. As to your question, the 117 on the Low Rider ST is a big engine for the lighter bike. I have ridden that bike in stock set up and it's quick. I'd suggest doing the Stage 1 and ride it a while then decide if you need more torque and power. I think going to a Stage 1 will give you the sound your looking for plus you will get a tune with a Stage 1 which will make that throttle response much better. I hope that helps and again thank you for your support. Enjoy that new bike and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Nice video. I am going to the stage 2 on my 22 Fat Bob(whenever the parts get in). One item I am installing also is the SE aluminum intake manifold. It is polished internally and no possible warping problems.
Thanks Bill for watching and commenting. I have heard good things about the SE intake manifold. That is definitely something I may consider as part of a future upgrade. I appreciate the input. If you have already subscribed...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Rick, Great talking points and just some good info. I had the 447 cam in my 2018 107 heritage and like yours, really woke that bike up, especially with the power to weight ratio. Went aftermarket Fueling 465 cam on my 2017 Streetglide with full Rinehart exhaust and boy is she fun. I can't pick a fav or more power, both are snappy as hell now and it makes me want a cam in the 114.
@@HDVIBE yea it wasn't until the dealer I bought the heritage from asked if I wanted the cam as part of the deal? Only paid for the parts and labor was waived. I feel that a cam is more than enough of a change, and yet still practical while budget friendly. Did a 95" kit on my 02 roadking and had more issues than I care to recall, so cam is the most I'll do. Once these motors start giving out, I'll just get a crate motor put back in.
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Thanks for the great video! I have a 2021 Low Rider S 114 with stage 2. When HD released 117 in 2022, I was so depressed but glad to see this video. I also have an extended warranty with HD, so I also stick with HD Screamin Eagle products.
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Subscribed 👍 I was told by a Harley mechanic at our local dealership here in Tennessee in I bought the bike from Moonshine Harley it’s a 2022 low rider FXLRS with a 117 stock. All I’ve done was put tab performance slip on on it. No issues. Got great back pressure, I was told the torque on the 117 stock is 125. I have not personally looked this up but I’m about to.
Thanks for watching and subscribing. The 117 on the Low Rider is great especially for a lighter bike. I've recently put a Tab Performance full exhaust system on my 2021 Road Glide Special...holy cow. With the Stage 2 torque cam...it sounds incredible. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Great job on the comparison discussion. I kind of March to the beat as you and just stick with HD vs. aftermarket. The piece of mind of having some sort of warranty, even if only labor is worth it to me. Great job, Rick!
That is true when it comes to parts and who does the install. However, the one exception in the new warranty information is a non Harley EPA tune. So if you use another tuner that maps the ECM and it gets hooked up to the Harley Digital technician, the VIN gets flagged in the Harley system and if an issue arises, the warranty more than likely will be void. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
The 117 is a beast without mods. I ride pretty hard sometimes, so i can see wanting more power, however most dont really use their bike full potential anyways. Its just fun stuff to do. AND bragging rights of course. Ride on, live long.
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Must admit ….. I do like a bit of “full potential “ ….. sometimes. Had the stage 2 for a couple of years. I’m now looking at the 128 conversion. Any thoughts on which cam . Should I stick with the s&s 475 or go bigger ?
Thanks Richard for watching and commenting. 128 big bore sounds like an awesome idea. If you are doing the Screamin Eagle kit, I think it comes with an even higher lift cam than the 475. There are so many great cam options, at the end of the day it depends on how you will be riding the bike. Sometimes the high lift cams you lose a but of low end torque but it comes on at higher RPM....then the horse power kicks in. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
SE does not offer a torque cam for the 117, the 447 is too close to stock specs, i can say tho i have put the power cam se462 in my 117 and it rips hard! roughly 120/120, worth considering
I did a SE HP cam on my 19 CVO and got 109hp 116 Tq..Stepped it up to a SE Stage 3 122 and got a Cyclerama 483 cam and now I am getting 131 hp/143 Tq. in a 4th gear run...Just gor a 2023 Roadglide 120th Anniversary and will put in Cyclerama 485 cam, SE 55 mm manifold, SE 1275 clutch springs, S&S air cleaner..Kromewerks headers, and Fuel Moto outlaw mufflers and see what I get..Will probably add a Star or Cyclerama billet comp as well..
Thanks so much for sharing your set up. Congrats on getting the anniversary bike. They are incredible looking bikes and with that set will be a runner. Ride safe and enjoy. 👍👊✌️
Thanks for watching Charles. That is an awesome looking paint set. Congrats on getting your hands on it and it sounds like the stage 2 is working well for you as well. I appreciate your support. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Richard for sharing your set up. Sounds like a great set up on the Fat Bob. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. My thought is you will be surprised by how much more power you will feel if you go to a Stage 2. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
You got good numbers for the HD cam, I had the same cam and tuner put in my 2019 RGS 114 when it was new and I only got 96 hp and 115 lb torque, I admit I was very disappointed with my numbers but I wanted to keep my warranty which was a good decision as at 40,000 miles I needed new heads, pistons and cylinders and it was covered by my extended warranty! However, I do plan on changing for an aftermarket torque cam later this year when my warranty expires as want more power!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Staying in warranty does limit the bikes a bit, but, for me I feel better having peace of mind that if something does go bad, then I'm covered. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
That’s interesting. I went with Harley torque cam and tuner. When I was young I used to hot rod cars and learned everything has a cost. It can be milage or it can be reliability and longevity. If you want real power then go for displacement. Pushing it too hard almost always adds heat and that can cause issues, especially on an air cooled engine.
So far I have been impressed with the feel of the bike after the cam. It really woke up the engine...and it sounds really good. Thanks for checking it out. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊👍✌️
I went 114 Stage 2 Torque cam with Arlen Ness Big Sucker air intake and Tab Performance 50 Cal w/Zombie Baffles. I get nothing but compliments when I tear by my brothers. Pretty much same gas consumption.
Yes, I recently put tab 2-1-2 no cat headpipe and 4.5 BAM with Zombie baffles...holy cow it's loud. When I ride with my group, no one wants to ride behind me.
I did the exact same thing on my road glide ultra 2019. When all screaming eagle got a hundred horse 119 ft lb of torque with the torque cam. I find it to be very nice compared to stock. Very happy with mine
Thank you Danny for sharing your experience. The 447 cam really wakes up the M8 motors. I never thought I'd do a Stage 2, but now that I did I am very pleased and hooked. If you are a subscriber....thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed, I'd be honored if you would consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊👍✌️
I had a 17 ultra limited full exhaust stage 2 torque cam (Harley). The SE tuner with the wide band auto tuner. All S&S internals,oil pump cam plate,. Lifters and cuffs. It only made 86 hp and 106 torque. I have a stock 21 road glide limited now with the 114 and it feels very close power wise.
Rick, great vid. I mean like you said, there are several different options to go with. For me, I also considered pipe especially going 2 into 1, in order to maximize hp and tq. Additionally, I use an aftermarket tuner so when you are dialed correctly you shouldn't see huge degradation of mpgs. Anyway, I did have the 447 cam on my 107 and although it was a significant increase over stock, I wanted more out of the 107 and found that through an aftermarket cam. I mean if you aren't looking for maximum power and torque on that CVO then stick with SE. BUT, if you wanted to see what that 117 is really capable of stage 2 wise, getting the most out of that M8, then I would say go aftermarket. Just remember, if you do the latter, you'll want to go back to that 114 and swap out the cam 😆. Hope all is well otherwise.
Thanks so much for the thoughtful and thorough comment. You last comment regarding going aftermarket on the CVO could lead me down another path on the RGS. So many options...Thanks for your time. Hope all is well and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
I installed the RS468 cam and it definitely has strong torque and HP; however, it runs choppy under low load/low rpm conditions, because of the overlap. I would probably go with the SE447 cam if I had to do it over again.
New subscriber, great comparison video. I have a 2019 ultra limited and rhe wife has a 2020 streetglide special, both set up identical except i have the harley torque cam and she has the woods 22xe. Seat of the pants dyno hers is faster, both bikes are in for more upgrades and dyno tuning. Im getting rid of the harley torque cam for the 22xe, it was that noticeable of a difference. Also ditched the screaming eagle tuner for the powervision.
Thanks Tom for watching and subscribing. Sounds like the Woods cam is killer. Your comment definitely makes me think harder about what I do with the CVO 117. I appreciate the support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
The difference is very noticeable for sure. Yes the neighbor kid was curious say the least. I think my neighbors all think I'm a bit crazy...lol. Thanks for watching Bob and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
I have a 2017 Road King (M8-107) that I put that SE447 cam in, to include Rinehart slimline duals and 4.5 DBX pipes. Runs excellent. I also have a 2023 Street Glide ST (M8-117), I can say that the 107 with cam is closely comparable to the 117 in my ST. I most likely will put the same SE447 cam in my SGST. It so worth the upgrade IMO
Thanks Tony for sharing your set up and experience. While many shun the SE8 447 cam or really any SE cam set up, it seems to me it is worthy to be mentioned with the other after market brands in the market. I like the set up because it's all HD so no warranty concerns. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍👊✌️
My 107 with Wood 22XE, Freedom Performance 2-1 turnout and and FuelMoto AC/DC air cleaner put down 109/119 to the wheel on a dyno. A stock 117 puts down around 95/115. I hate that the EPA has hamstrung HD so badly that this is a thing.
Very interesting, Rick. At the end of the day in my opinion it comes down to personal choice, both options are more than enough power and sound out on the road! 😉✌️
Nice video. Thank you. Small suggestion. It would be nice if you had posted the numbers side by side on the screen as it’s easier to look and compare vs just hearing about it. I’m with you on the Screaming Eagle stuff to keep the warranty intact. I hear so many negative comments from people about SE but I’ve had no problems at all and I’m more than satisfied with the way my bikes performs. I have a 2018 Ultra Limited with a 107. I put the same stage 11 as you did. Incredible how much difference it makes. I also have a 2021 RGS 114. I haven’t put a stage 11 on it yet but I will say the 107 stage 11 is amazing compared to the stock 114. I think doing the stage 11 on your 117 would be awesome as well. Safe riding 🏍️
Thanks for the suggestion. That is a great idea. As you mentioned screamin eagle is very good quality and does the job just fine plus by using the SE tuner all within warranty. If you have already subscribed to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thank you for the support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
It will wake it up for sure. My smile is much wider now when I ride the RGS. The LRS with a cam would be a ripper. Thanks for your comment and support. If you have already subscribed...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride aafe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Steve for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Thank you Robert for watching and subscribing. I will say a Stage 2 upgrade was not something I ever thought I would have done to any of my bikes. However, after the Stage 2 on the RGS, my smile as I ride is much bigger now. I appreciate your support to the channel. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊👍✌️
Thanks Tony for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Subscribed, great content. Been thinking about a cheaper used 114 on a 2018/19, was going to do the recommendes oil pump and cam plate change, so it's interesting to see the numbers with stage 2, and like you said, you may as well do the extra work while they are in the cam chest anyway.
Thank you for subscribing to the channel. I really appreciate the support. If you are looking at the pre 2020 bikes, it's definitely worth putting in the cam plate, oil pump, cam bearing and tappets. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
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Thanks for watching and commenting. Doing a Stage 2 on the 117 ST would be a great upgrade. If you stick with HD products, your only choice is the SE8 462 power cam as it's called. I've been thinking about doing that upgrade on my 2023 Street Glide ST as well. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
SEPST warranty/EPA complaint 117 Stage 1 95 HP 115TQ 114 Stage 2 100 HP 120 TQ 107 Stage 3 (114) 118 HP 122 TQ My bike. 38k miles now never missed a beat Pick a dealership/shop with a dyno and an experienced tuner that is not afraid to tune from any of the available maps. It doesn’t have to be a warranty stripping aftermarket tuner & cam to make good power. But you will need good advice and good experienced dyno tuner
Thanks for watching and for the information. I appreciate the comment and support. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
I would run the Star 30-30 cam with a 55mm aluminium intake on the 117 , the reason for bad gas mileage is people rev the Engine at stop lights or taking off from the light
Hey thanks for the input. I agree with your comment on reving the engine. I definitely find myself running the bike harder with the cam. First few tanks of fuel I getting around 38 MPG...about what I was getting before the cam...maybe 1 or 2 mpg less. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
My stage 2 on my 2019 EGS 107 got me 117 hp and 119 tq with my own combo the 30-30 ,S/S 55mm hand ported , Arlen Ness Big sucker/ stock cover , modified stock pipe with Tab 4.5 mufflers with 2.5 Baffles it's a runner, at 64 it puts a big smile on my face when I turn my right hand.
Thanks Kevin for watching and commenting. I do not think you will be disappointed. Stage 2 really wakes up the M8 engines. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Love the color. Stage 2 it depends on the cam. The Harley torque one I have is pretty weak. I have used the S&S 475 in another and it was a nice one. Larger throttle bodies help. The tappet cups are plastic so it was good to dump those , as well as a better pump. I went from 42 to 32-34 mpg. Over 130 HP the transmission will start to slip unless you upgrade the clutch. Dont do the 131 it’s not worth it after talking with a the guy I use that knows his stuff. The throttle bodies are bigger ( they are plastic too stock ) and its minimal for the displacement. My 114 with the S&S put out 120s in a Dyno with the same pipes you used but with a wider band sensor I have sold the bike and ride a triglide as my knees are shot and 2 up it’s easier for me. The triglide has TAB’s on it and the torque Harley cam. It’s heavier and pushing it too much the clutch would have to go. It’s 100 HP and about 8% higher on torque. The street pro tuner is a bit wider than the old one but still has the same limits by the EPA. I am getting the new V&H tuner as it’s epa compliant and won’t kid the triglide warranty and has added features, like temp and such keeps the warranty Indy too on the triglide. H
Thanks for watching and sharing all this good info. The new HD Bluetooth tuner works well also. Very similar to the FP4 as it has monitoring capability as well. I used the Screamin Eagle Bluetooth tuner on the 2023 Street Glide ST. I put out 2 videos on that one if you'd like to check it out. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊
Maybe I missed it, but you didn’t tell us how much it cost to do your stage two on the 114. I would love to know the at the door number, including the labor that the dealership charged you fantastic video
Thanks for watching and commenting. I did mention the approximate cost, however for a full breakdown I do have another video where I go through the cost in detail. It's call is the Stage 2 worth the cost. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍👊✌️
Great info! I had the 2021 SGS with the 114 earlier in the year and it was stock before I totaled it. Now I have the 2021 RG CVO in the same color as your CVO with the 117 and it’s still stock. I want the lope like your 114 has and the numbers would be acceptable. I just extended my warranty since the old one expired so I don’t want to compromise that. I’ll let the local shop do the stage 2 if I decide to go that way. I just watched your stage 1 full exhaust install and pipes look straight forward. I believe you used a FP3 Vance and Hines on that tuner? I guess I would stay with the SE tuner like you did on this RGS 114. Great videos!
Thanks Don. Yes definitely stay with the Screamin Eagle tuner to stay in warranty. If you use the screamin eagle tuner, you will need to stick with a Screamin Eagle cam for the Stage 2. The cam HD has for the 117 is the SE8 462. This is considered the power cam. Higher lift than the SE8 447 I have in the RGS...so you will get more lope sound than I have on the RGS. However some feel a little torque loss in the lower RPM such as at take off. The torque and HP come on strong at the 3,000 RPM range or so. 👊✌️👍
@@HDVIBE has either of your upgrades removed some of the lag in throttle response with the 114 or the 117? When I ride my 02 fatboy I feel that response is natural. The new m8’s seem to have a lag. You may have mentioned this in another video. Just confirming if even the stage 1 removed some of that. Thanks!
@dondasher58 After putting the Stage 1 tune on the bikes, throttle response is much improved. It will definitely improve that issue. Once you go to Stage 2, you just rip and hold on tight. 👍
I just subscribed to the channel to listen to the difference between the two set ups. Both have my interest even though both are way out of my price range. Was trying to get a 2022 used ST Road Glide but work not going where I thought and house repairs life happens idea. I see you have seat comparisons which I decided to do instead with some touring capabilities on my 07 Softail Night Train. Planning on three day ride which haven't done yet thought upgrade to touring bike would be nice but checking you tube for my bike repair and add on instead. Belt and rear sprocket is now done.
Thanks so much for watching and subscribing. I appreciate your support to the channel and for the comment. The ST s are nice but as you mentioned they are not inexpensive. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Brad for watching and for the question. Not sure I can offer much on these topics but I'll give it my best shot as to what I believe you are referring to. Valve train noise...I have not experienced any issues with this. Mileage...I assume your are referring to MPG. I've been getting around 38 MPG after the Stage 2. This is around 1 or 2 MPG less than prior to the Stage 2. Engine operating temp...I have not noticed any additional heat after the Stage 2...however I've been riding in winter Temps so it's difficult to say. We shall see in the summer if there is any increase in heat. If there is, I may change out the head pipe without a catalytic converter which will significantly decrease heat coming off the bike and cool the engine. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
The only requirement to keep your warranty is the tuner. You can use what ever cams you want and what ever exhaust you want but must use the SE tuner. Now I know I will only have this bike a couple years and I will see something shinier and but it. So why down $500 on the SE tuner and does take the limiter off. Can’t mix the air it’s all EPA compliant. Get the Dyno Vision for same price and that will wake that machine up. You are not getting 100% out of all that work.
Thanks for watching and providing your input on the topic. Your point on only the SE tuner to keep warranty is on point. However, the base maps for CAMs are only for HD cams...so essentially your have to use SE cams or the bike won't run properly or well. Definitely, other tuners get you a better tune given that they can CURRENTLY give you a non-EPA tune, however that may not be the case for much longer. EPA cracked down on Vance and Hines recently, so they no longer offer any non-EPA base maps. It has trickled to the exhaust manufacturer's as well...several no longer offer de-catted headpipes. I believe the non epa tune days may be coming to an end soon. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Thanks Noel for watching and subscribing. I'm glad the video helped you with your decision. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Thanks Joe for subscribing. Your comment is on point. For me at least at the moment I prefer knowing it's covered by HD should something go bad. In the future, who knows which way I'll go or just keep it as is. I appreciate the comment and support. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
What I did stage II street glide 2019 same setup as yours to stage III with S&S 475 what a difference all using dynojet power vision Stage II Harley I got 96 and 116 torque Stage III 115hp 126 torque a friend of mine use the cycle Rama bursted my bubble126 hp and 130 torque Cycle Rama rill wake up a 117. But again with a great tuner 14:19
Thanks Michael for the suggestion. I have heard good things about Cycle Rama cams. I recently saw a 131 build with the Cycle Rama cam. If you have subscribed...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Mark for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
I did a stage 2 screamin eagle kit with the same cam you did on my 21 rgs and loved all the extra torque. I went with the se kit because I wanted to keep my warranty intact. I have a 22 rgl that I'm about to go stage 1 with to start. I want to see the difference this time out before going to stage 2.
Thanks James for stopping by and for your comment. Always good to go Stage 1 and see what you get. If you have already subscribed to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. No question on your point. For me and others it comes down to keep warranty or not. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊👍✌️
I just put the stage 2 447 cam in my 22 RKS it’s plenty reliable sounds great not to loud just right. And it moves don’t need more than that those higher cams are hard on the drivetrain after a bit. You cant enjoy 140 hp an 145 talk you be ripping the tire without even trying at some point it’s to much and takes away enjoying the ride. Then that also comes with extra heat. If you wanted a little more with the 447 cam do intake injectors and a power vision
Thanks Michael for your thoughts and perspective on the topic. Like you, so far I really enjoy the SE8 447 cam. I may do another tune on it in the future but for now I'll stick with the current set up. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
@@HDVIBE I put the 447 in my 22 road king special. the first winter with a clockworks head pipe after the warrntee was done. pulls nice.. my riding has changed up a little bit. wife coming all the time with me.. I can get into a 2022 road glide st. having rough time deciding what to do here. I was going to put the clockworks FXTP Fairing on and add bluetooth speakers. or it's the 2022 road glide st. I just don't know.. Any feed back on this be great. I don't like running the larger cams either do to hard on the driveline.. may be good at beginning but why hammer the driveline my opinion anyway. I planed on keeping it took good care of it.. may still be keeping it.. my king runs awesome with the 447 11.500 miles not one miss... Have a great day
@lawtondevil Thanks for the update and the question. Here is my thought. From a performance perspective, the ST stock is going to run and perform about the same as the Road King with the 447 cam. You definitely get a nice infotainment system with the ST and obviously the fairing already there so that's a plus for your new two up riding. If you put the fairing on the Road King then you got that covered however I'm not sure how wind protection will be for your passenger. So I think it comes down to preference and your passengers feel. Maybe take her out on a test ride on a Road Glide and get her input and then go from there. Both are great bikes and either way you go you won't lose. Good luck and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
says on the 2022 Glide ST 117 has 106h/p AT RPM 4.750 and 127 pounds of LB/FT AT 3.750 RPM Don't know how accurate that is,, I guess it says calmed so takes that what it is, also on Harleys site.. Buy trade or stay LOL
That would be big power. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Great video. Quick question. I may have missed it in this or another video of yours, but what header are you using? Is it the stock header or have you replaced it with another header without the cat? And I think later yout put Tab Performance pipes on. Which do you prefer on that front. I listened to your videos, but just curious if you found really any difference in performance?
Thanks Gerry for watching and commenting. In this video, both bikes have stock headpipes. I did switch to Tab 2-1-2 on the RGS a few months ago. While I don't notice much difference in performance, you do notice a bit more sound output and with the CAT not being in the Tab pipe, the right side of the bike is much cooler. The HD headpipes actually flow very well and give good performance...for me it was about heat reduction. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Paul for watching and commenting. My MPG is about the same as it was prior to the Stage 2 cam. I get about 38 to 40 mpg. My mpg is probably a bit lower than others as I tend to run higher rpms. I have another video covering that question and others that viewers asked after this video. Feel free to check it out. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate your perspective. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
I have a stage 1 on my 22 trike, with open headers and Rinehart dbx 40’s and a Pv4 tuner and this thing rips… wheeling is not a problem if I wanted … Don’t know if I need a torque cam…
Thanks Rick for watching and sharing your set up. Sounds like you got that Trike dialed in. I'm sure with the PV4 you get a much better non EPA tune so you more than likely ate getting some nice HP & TQ gains with the free breathing exhaust set up. If you went Stage 2 you'd just get that much more out of the engine. Thanks for your support to the channel and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
I may try to do that in the future. Great suggestion. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you have already subscribed to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Hi Scott. No break in when you get a cam put in...as long as the engine has surpassed the break in period. Putting a cam into a M8 is a game changer. Bike is incredible now. ✌️👍👊
good happy medium ;;; a fair increase in GO , not too bad on fuel ,, keeps warranty ,, sounds good ,, not too expensive to do ,, probably what i will get done to my fatboy ; now subscribed ;;
Thanks Simon for watching, commenting, and subscribing. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. It definitely was worth it on the 114. I've heard from others that it is also a nice increase in HP and TQ on the 117. Not sure still if I will do it or not, but, maybe someday. If you have already subscribed...thank you. If you haven't yet, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
Thanks for sharing your perspective. The tuner definitely makes a difference when it comes to HP and TQ numbers. Since I'm using Screamin Eagle I know I'm not getting all the HP and TQ out of either bike. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
which is better? How about a 131 Stage 4. Please remember, there's no replacement for displacement. (Haven't tried the 135 yet but it does sound promising)
Nice video. On HD's web page they say a stock Road Glide ST hit 127ft-lbs @ 3750 RPM. That's a lot higher than the number you mentioned stock on the 117 I think?
Thank you for watching. Yes that 127 ft lbs is higher than the CVO numbers stock. It could be the ST has a different cam than the CVO 117. 127 ft lbs is a very good TQ number. I need to look into that a do some research. Thanks so much for sharing the info. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍
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Thanks Greg for watching and commenting. Not much difference in gas mileage. All my bikes I tend to get around 38 to 40 MPG...the 114 with Stage 2 right in the same range. I tend to run rpms in the 2800 to 3500 range most of the time so my mileage is a bit lower. Just my riding style. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
I been looking all over for a Screaming Eagle Stage 2 power cam video for a SGST 117 to see what the numbers are and can’t find one anywhere. Do you have anything like that?
I do have the HD chart for the 117 with the power cam. The numbers are...TQ 118 @ 3,500 RPM HP 104 @ 5,500. Stock numbers are TQ 112 @ 3,500 RPM HP 92 @4,500. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Sounds awesome. I'm may do that as well on my 2023 SGST. Just to give it a little more kick. Thanks for your continued support to the channel. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍
Thanks Stephen for watching and commenting. Your statement regarding the cam plate is correct...at the end of the day I decided to change out both just for additional piece of mind. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Thanks Bryan for watching and commenting. The 117 Street Glide has Rinehart DBX 45s on it. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊
Thanks Jay for watching and commenting. There was no change in MPG after the Stage 2 upgrade. I did put out a follow up video to answer that and a few other questions I got. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WN0BtM5DdEI.html If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
What about vibration? I had a 114 RK then I upgraded to 117 stage 3 honestly, it has a very annoying, painful ticking noise and developed an annoying fine vibration. Is there a problem? is that normal with the upgrade? please help as I am not enjoying the bike anymore
I can't speak to a Stage 3 upgrade as I went to Stage 2. I have not experienced any issues with ticking or vibration. There is a bit of vibration but much less than a twin cam. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👊✌️👍
Thanks Ray for watching and commenting. No real change in MPG after the Stage 2. Both bikes get between 38 to 40 mpg. I tend to run higher RPMs when I ride so my MPG is typically a little lower than the stated 42 MPG. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊
Thanks for watching and commenting. I have gotten that question often as well as others. I get between 38 to 40 MPG depending on how I'm riding. My MPG on my other bikes is about the same with Stage 1 tunes. I tend to run a bit higher RPM when I ride typically over 3,000 to around 4,000...even when cruising. I do have another video that I go in depth answering the questions I get regarding the Stage 2. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍
Haha. Just watched, liked, and commented on your “what is stage 2” video. Commenting on this one now and subbing. Again, I got a 2022 street glide special 114 with apex paint. Want to stage 2 it. Running 93 gas. And do led strip lights out back. Biggest question for me is exhaust now. I want black pipes….so please inform me of the best pipe set up for this stage 2 upgrade on the 114? I will be purchasing the new “pro” tuner with Bluetooth and learning tune. So pipes people. Lemme IN!!! I’m wanting to do full exhaust and eliminate cats if possible. If that ruins the stage, then I’ll go with slip-ons. But it’s gotta be black and it needs to work correctly. Best exhaust comment replies here 👇
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm running a Full Tab Performance exhaust system with the 2-1-2 catless headpipe. Check put the full video on that. It uses stock heat shields and you can get the Tab 4.5 BAM sticks in black. I'm running the system with Zombie baffles. Awesome sound output and runs great with the Stage 2 set up using Pro Street Tuner. 👍
@@HDVIBE thanks for replying brother…taking a lot of guess work, self doubt, then buyers remorse right out of my hands and mind. Soooooo damn many arguments across the web over 1-5ft/lbs and another 1-5hp @ whatever rpm!!! Lolzzzz. With ALL THAT BS out there and a possible whopping 5 ft/lbs, the warm fuzzy I’ll have in my belly knowing I used Harley parts and still have a warranty is how I need to have it. I’m a Motörhead and gunsmither who loves tinkering and builds. And I can absolutely seeing myself chasing “the perfect setup” as I have in my younger rice rocket days. At this point I just want a super clean bike that I know will get me home! Just a lil bit faster than the dudes chasing me from the bar when I tell him “who gives a shit about the laundry list of parts you put in and took out just to be 3hp more than mine with no warranty and yer bitch is bitchin about the hot oil that keeps spraying on her calf every time you blip the throttle (47 times per stop light)!!! I’ll just need a 3 sec head start….smiling knowing my stage 2 torque kit will takem from the line and I’ll have to outride em from there lol. Warranty. I like that word! Especially for resale since these bikes get better yearly and dudes trade em after 1-2 seasons like dirty socks!
