Harley Manager Talks EITMS & Undocumented Features 

Thanks for sharing and for commenting! I am glad you were able to get your bike where you wanted it at! MB

Really? when you reset it did you turn the kill switch on and off when you turned the ignition on/off? Also what year make are you riding?

Literally I had the same exact experience with you, i was pulling into my gravel parking area and let off the throttle and it jumped up to 3000k rpm, i have looked at everything from the air intake to the vacuum lines I can not find an answer.

Did you get it to work or need some help?

You may find this useful...not sure it applies to all years. Many have experienced a higher than normal idle on the 08 bikes with the TBW (throttle by wire) throttles. Some feel it is a problem with the bike but the MOCO is working on a possible fix for this. It is mainly brought about when the idle is elevated just before shut down such as rolling on the throttle when shutting down, sometimes without knowing or realizing it. Using the kill switch to shut down when the idle is not at a normal idle will also promote this condition. The ECM remembers the last known idle speed just prior to shut down. What seems to work for many to eliminate this problem which can also be found in the manual is this procedure below. It is the same procedure for a replacement of the twist grip sensor as it is to eliminate the stored higher throttle value when shutting down and rolling on the throttle which is what is giving some this problem. Whenever a new twist grip sensor (or ECM) is installed, place the engine run/stop switch in the RUN position and turn the ignition/light key switch to IGNITION and then back to OFF four times (without starting engine). Allow at least ten seconds to elapse between ignition cycles. As the ECM uses the first four ignition cycles to establish the optimum idle speed, there may be initial performance problems if the procedure is not performed, such as high idle or hesitation when the throttle is opened. Here's a more detailed view of this. Turn the RUN switch to RUN, do not touch the throttle. Turn on the IGNITION SWITCH, wait for the CEL (Yellow engine light) to turn OFF. Turn off IGN only, wait for 10 seconds and repeat this sequence 3 more times.

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We did around 20 videos with Hoodie that one day. Next month we'll be doing some more with another Harley oriented youtube channel. Should be good. 👍

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Thanks for the good words! 👍 Sounds like you have the best of both worlds with the 52 Pan and the 13 Ultra! 🏍

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Yes, I rarely use the run/stop switch (kill switch). I found this write up on the process...not sure it works for all years, but this is what worked back when TBW first came out. Many have experienced a higher than normal idle on the 08 bikes with the TBW (throttle by wire) throttles. Some feel it is a problem with the bike but the MOCO is working on a possible fix for this. It is mainly brought about when the idle is elevated just before shut down such as rolling on the throttle when shutting down, sometimes without knowing or realizing it. Using the kill switch to shut down when the idle is not at a normal idle will also promote this condition. The ECM remembers the last known idle speed just prior to shut down. What seems to work for many to eliminate this problem which can also be found in the manual is this procedure below. It is the same procedure for a replacement of the twist grip sensor as it is to eliminate the stored higher throttle value when shutting down and rolling on the throttle which is what is giving some this problem. Whenever a new twist grip sensor (or ECM) is installed, place the engine run/stop switch in the RUN position and turn the ignition/light key switch to IGNITION and then back to OFF four times (without starting engine). Allow at least ten seconds to elapse between ignition cycles. As the ECM uses the first four ignition cycles to establish the optimum idle speed, there may be initial performance problems if the procedure is not performed, such as high idle or hesitation when the throttle is opened. Here's a more detailed view of this. Turn the RUN switch to RUN, do not touch the throttle. Turn on the IGNITION SWITCH, wait for the CEL (Yellow engine light) to turn OFF. Turn off IGN only, wait for 10 seconds and repeat this sequence 3 more times.

Cool. I did not know it...but I rarely use the kill switch.

@@DKCustomProducts I don't use kill swith on my 2010 Limited FLHTK because it has issues starting up next time. Always turn off with ignition

@@Richard5873 Interesting. Any ideas on why it has issues starting up after using the kill switch?

In the early years of the EITMS the dealership had to plug into the bike to turn it on or off. Later MY's you simply roll the throttle forward to turn it on or off. Here is a video where we show that being done- , starting around the 1:50 mark - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pNPJYMHr4tY.html

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yeah, same here. I do think that the earlier years have to be turned on or off at the dealership, rather than user-controlled...but it is still there.

As a rule, and there are many exceptions, staff at Dealership are less and less well trained...I don't see that changing. Then, add to that, someone is getting their new Harley is probably too excited to hear everything that might be being told to them on delivery. Then, add to that, more and more folks are not going to take the time to read their manual...if it is not fed to them on one of the screens of their devices....????????

I don't use it on my 2019 Tri Glide. But I have done a lot to cool it down. I know folks that do, and are happy with how it reduces felt heat on the right side for their passenger. As stated in the video, it does nothing to cool the engine down, just the heat radiating from the rear exhaust header. Here is a playlist of videos on how to get your Tri Glide running cooler.- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HC-Z_rZtY9c.html

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Thank you, glad you enjoyed! 👍 Approximately 950-1050 RPM

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I understand why you think that, but this is not what the evidence shows. Here are two video of real world testing of the EITMS. They show that the EITMS reduces felt heat, but does not reduce engine heat at all. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pNPJYMHr4tY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5OTSwYFPABE.html

1100 RPM is NOT the correct idle speed for a fully warmed up 107 Ultra.

Definitely way high for a M8. Depending on the year of your bike (or if it was flashed by a dealer during routine service) it should idle either 850 or 950.

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@@DKCustomProducts I saw your vid on it awhile back, so I tried it. THX!

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Yes, it is not something I run either. Probably you heard a compensator clank that one time. The EITMS is not for cooling the engine, but to stop the rear exhaust from passing heated exhaust gases, making for a reduction in felt heat for the passenger and rider. Here is a Link with the things that can be done to cool down your engine to optimum temps- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm And here is a video link showing how HD programmed in a power reduction in an effort to cool down the engine on your bike (not EITMS)- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5PxJ8PvcVtc.html

@@DKCustomProducts thanks for that clarification of that clank being the compensator... always wondered where it was coming from 😄

@@yamilethvilla7183 Lol happy to help, thanks for watching!

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Yes sir. Thank you! 👍

Let us know when you have the video published. Yeah, they have been having problems with the switch-packs for a while. Should be covered under warranty to get it replaced.

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@@DKCustomProducts keep them coming

@@cgscprspecialist3937 Will do!

Yeah, I really don't like it..though there are some that do...if it is cooled down properly, there is no need for it.

I know a few folks that really like the EITMS on their M8's. You did see the part of the video where the Harley Manager said the EITMS does Nothing to help the engine, it only is there to reduce felt heat for the passenger & rider?

Yeah, our tests show it drastically reduced heat radiating from the rear exhaust to the right passenger leg. It does NOT show that it cools the engine down...it may slow down how fast it heats up, but the temp of the engine continues to climb when sitting at an idle with the EITMS activated. This video link show us testing the temps and showing what I described above- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5OTSwYFPABE.html

We have no experience with the Thunder-Max, but it sure sounds like something in it is making the EITMS not work, so it seems you should contact them for the solution. Here is a link to our steps to take to cool down your ride- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm

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Different strokes for different folks. About the only time I ever use it is when I want to shut off and don't have a free hand to get to the switch.

Sounds like a fun bike! Thank you for the tip! 👍

Not sure what 25sec 205F means. 850 on a Softail is not as bad as 850 on a bagger...Softail Solid mounted engine, bagger rubber mounted engine.

@@DKCustomProducts thats the grid in the power vision software.

@@JCunningham21 Have never noticed 25sec on the Power Vision. I must have missed it. Will look tomorrow.

Some people really like the Thunder Max, and others have endless problems out of them. Since it is such a mixed bag of good and bad experiences, (50/50 is being a little on the nice side), we have not messed with them at all. I'm sorry we cannot be more helpful. Thanks for commenting! KP

Yeah, 850 is too low. Glad you got it changed. 👍

My experience also! 👍

I was not aware he was putting out that vibe. We had a great time, we did around 20 vides that day. I found this write up on the process...not sure it works for all years, but this is what worked back when TBW first came out. Many have experienced a higher than normal idle on the 08 bikes with the TBW (throttle by wire) throttles. Some feel it is a problem with the bike but the MOCO is working on a possible fix for this. It is mainly brought about when the idle is elevated just before shut down such as rolling on the throttle when shutting down, sometimes without knowing or realizing it. Using the kill switch to shut down when the idle is not at a normal idle will also promote this condition. The ECM remembers the last known idle speed just prior to shut down. What seems to work for many to eliminate this problem which can also be found in the manual is this procedure below. It is the same procedure for a replacement of the twist grip sensor as it is to eliminate the stored higher throttle value when shutting down and rolling on the throttle which is what is giving some this problem. Whenever a new twist grip sensor (or ECM) is installed, place the engine run/stop switch in the RUN position and turn the ignition/light key switch to IGNITION and then back to OFF four times (without starting engine). Allow at least ten seconds to elapse between ignition cycles. As the ECM uses the first four ignition cycles to establish the optimum idle speed, there may be initial performance problems if the procedure is not performed, such as high idle or hesitation when the throttle is opened. Here's a more detailed view of this. Turn the RUN switch to RUN, do not touch the throttle. Turn on the IGNITION SWITCH, wait for the CEL (Yellow engine light) to turn OFF. Turn off IGN only, wait for 10 seconds and repeat this sequence 3 more times.

We have done no testing on 2022's, so we cannot say for sure. On 2021 and earlier M8's you do NOT need to retune if going with free flowing exhaust like you have. You may find this video interesting/useful- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lb_57Z_Ipms.html

@@DKCustomProducts I already watched your video several times before and it’s great. I appreciate as soon as you could test an M8 2022 , please make a video, I know there are several subscribers like me waiting for the truth……Harley is desperate as of now , and they are telling lies to customers. I appreciate your channel, very informative and trustworthy 👍👍👍

The standard answer is this .... any change to the bike COULD warrant a tune ... However ... there is quite a lot of leeway built in to the existing operating system to adjust for a change .... Should it be tuned ? Jamie Long at Fuel Moto actually provides a " better than stock " tune for unmodified bikes that you can actually feel and tell a difference... to answer the question " Does it need a DYNO tune ? " No.... and the motorcompany would rather you didn't use a DYNO tune but the SE Pro Street Tuner with their file downloaded .... Using all Harley Parts you can build a stage 4 131 that NEVER sees a dyno and can flash the tune to the bike and it be almost perfect .... seen it happen 100 times ...

The fact of the matter is this.. nobody has spent more time dyno tuning Harley-Davidson's parts than Harley-Davidson... they spend hundreds of hours on very minor changes and then they make those Tunes available through the pro street tuner to the consumer ... It will never again be able to handle the demands higher performing third party part will place on the tunee

@@MAM..888 Will do. We are working at getting a 22 for the next time we are on the Dyno, Sept. 2-3.

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Yeah, and the sequence may be different year to year and model to model.

Run/Stop on Ign On Wait for sweep and bcm light security light to extinguish Ign Off Run stop off Indicator lights flash twice Repeat this sequence three times I was unsure whether to call it a run stop or kill switch lol

Sounded sure to me but I didn’t understand the on/off switch first than ignition switch though I thought the kill switch was only activated with switch on but I don’t know but that’s the uncertain in it that I understood

@@paulhood7316yea think everyone calls it differently but I don’t understand why that wouldn’t be the second part since it’s not really on till the ignition switch is on weird but I’m definitely no engineer are really a tech just a redneck from Bama about it

I think he is at Queen CIty HD in Ohio now.

That's strange...actually, probably because your clutch switch in your controls is not operating correctly and the bike does not know that the clutch is pulled in when in gear.

@@DKCustomProducts any way to test for that?

Yeah, I do think that the earlier years have to be turned on or off at the dealership, rather than user-controlled...but it is still there.

@@DKCustomProducts I believe so for the cable throttle bikes.

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Yeah, I can see why not. Higher compression, especially on a Twin Cam, would really have some serious vibration and I can't see how it is not going to make for extra wear with the uneven energy pulses.

I hear it causes detonation among other problems on the 120

@@kandem1704 That would be understandable.