Harvard Debate Review: Atheist Scientist Defends James Tour and Debunks Lee Cronin's Assembly Theory 

What a great way to answer prof.Cronin - no ad hominem attacks, just bringing in someone of the actual field. As I commented on the actual debate - don’t let Dr. Cronin’s mild demeanor at the debate fool you - these are the same people, who will totally destroy you in a different setting, torpedo your funding, ridicule you, anything.

There is something I noticed from day one of this saga is that the OOL try to make everything (valid arguments and critics) out to be about Tour's religion so that they can ignore his valid questions. But stay alert people, this is not a religious debate but scientific and academic honesty aka "put your foot where your mouth at". It's time for the science community regardless of your religion to demand a progress report from those OOL scientists.

You guys should’ve invited the Dunning Kruger award winner of the year Dave Farina to explain to you how you don’t understand anything because the title of Kronin’s paper is clear.

This expose should trigger a global investigation into academic dishonesty and establishment of ways to hold such accountable.

I watched the debate and felt that Dr. Tour made some very reasonable arguments and problems with the current state of play in OOL research. He raised several issues that Lee Cronin didn't even address or respond to. Lee Cronin seemed to give a "just so" story rather than any evidence to support his assembly theory.

What really discourages me from the Harvard round table is how on the discussion table full of thinkers no one even question Lee, but they even quoted Stephen Hawkins and they almost said "it is true because you see it everyday" (paraphrasing). They were more shocked of the fact that "there was a discussion in the first place", as if there shouldn't be any on that regard. That shows how not even "unsophisticated people" are being easily deceived but also the so-called "sophisticated people" are being misled because they don't even think about it enough to question what they are affirming.

Thank you Prof Tour for being courageous enough to point out the weakness of today's academia. They rest on their laurels instead of answering tough questions.

I'm an engineer, not a scientist, so I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. Prof. Cronin claims that he and his team are working on a demonstration of how life could have originated by applying information theory algorithms. Yet, he believes this process occurred in nature without an intelligent agent executing a similar algorithm. I would think the opposite, i.e. if something is nearly impossible to have occurred randomly, but can be explained as the result of an algorithm (a chemical "program" of some sort), then this is proof to me that there was an intelligence behind it.

Regarding OoL research, virtually everything that the OoL scientists appear to be doing is Investigator Interference (i.e. use of Mind/Conscious/Intelligence); then claiming Methodological Naturalism (i.e. non-use of Mind/Conscious/Intelligence). And even with all of the Investigator Interference, the Ool Scientists have still been unable to demonstrate abiogenesis.

I got my Bachelor's and Master's degree at Arizona State University, where Sara Walker is, and I've had to sit through multiple talks she's given to the University students and faculty, in both classes and colloquiums. I can confirm that the claims she makes are just as exaggerated in her talks. I didn't know much about her field, but even at my basic level everything she said was confusing. The claims she was making reminded me of the quantum woohoo magic stuff that pseudoscientists make about how a specific thing can solve everything and explain the whole universe. She was trying to apply Assembly Theory to not just molecules, but was claiming it can be applied on a civilizational scale, on for example satellite imagery, to categorize the level of progress and technology of the civilization. She was using very pseudoscientific terminology and trying to claim her Assembly Theory can solve everything. Even then, I was physically rolling my eyes. You know what the saddest part is? Sara Walker has a well-known reputation at ASU for being able to get huge amounts of funding. Her group has massive budgets. She's very very good at blowing up the importance of her work and getting grants.

Cronin: Tour doesn't understand the math. Tour: Here is a mathematician. Cronin (eventually): Zenil doesn't understand the chemistry.

"I read the paper and I think that I forgot my own name." Excellent quote on a nonsensical paper.

These guys are peers who have each other's backs. You let me slide and I will reciprocate. They're not used to being called out with bullet proof evidence and in that respect they're lazy. They don't have a defense at the ready because up until this episode they didn't need one. Think about this next time you read a peer reviewed study. Apply this to everything you take for granted as generally accepted to be true and that goes beyond science. Bravo Dr Tour!

Especial thanks to the guest Dr. Zenil for having courage to sepak the truth and not fearing to be cancelled 💖🙏. May God bless him

I just have to add that I love Dr Hector Zenil his composure. Calm relaxed and to the point. I hope you get him on more Dr tour

36:00 is what this boils down to. Dr Zenil says that he discussed this with Dr Cronin, and Cronin refused to "take it on board" We need a response from Cronin.

I can confirm as computer science college student that I had that compression algorithm as homework in my first computer science class.

Based on Dr. Cronin's explanation of Assembly Theory being the predecessor of Selection, the foundation of assembly theory appears to require "memory" which is a product of Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence.

*_“And the thing is, it [assembly theory] could be quite wrong. But, maybe it’s less wrong than some other approaches … I’m not coming here telling you that we’ve solved the [Origin of Life] problem. I’m coming here saying we need to look at the problem in a new way to make progress.”_* Dr. Lee Cronin (1:03:24 Dr. Lee Cronin & Dr. James Tour on Science and the Origin of Life, Cambridge Faculty Roundtable, Harvard University, 11-28-23)

Love it! You both rock!!! Dr. Zenil thank you for your honesty!!!

This video not only reveals how scientists game the community for grant money, but a consequence of holding back real scientific breakthroughs because of hubris and lies

Thank you to Dr. Zenil who had the character to come forward. May nothing bless him and keep him.

The Devil is making himself ever more known and it's obvious! Dr. Tour is making God ever more a reality!

I'm serious in this statement, please bring more people who are doing real science work in science, but have been blacklisted and canceled because they aren't going along with the main narrative please. Thank you and praying for you brother. May HE bless you and keep you, may HE make HIS Face to shine on you and turn to you and give you peace. 🙏

Watching this has just opened my eyes to how disingenuous some people can be. I tried to watch professor Dave’s video talking about the Harvard debate. It’s literally a personal attacks on Dr Tour. Thank you Dr. Tour for being brave enough to stand up against the lies. God bless you and your family in Jesus mighty name 🙏❤️

So thankful to have found your work on RU-vid. Want to thank your guest and honor him for his integrity and his love for science.

"sure I lied, but look how many downloads this lie spawned!" Cronin, lee

Brilliant! As a programmer who understands compression, LZW, and graph-based data structures (trie, trees, etc.), this makes a whole lot of sense.

*_“I’m not coming here telling you that we’ve solved the [Origin of Life] problem. I’m coming here saying we need to look at the problem in a new way to make progress.”_* Dr. Lee Cronin (1:03:24 , Dr. Lee Cronin & Dr. James Tour on Science and the Origin of Life, Cambridge Faculty Roundtable, Harvard University, 11-28-23)

Lee Cronin : " I like to provoke people, my ideas might be wrong, but this is beside the point!" Prof Dave:" It says "X" in the headline therefore proven!" Perfect.

What is the point of exaggerating their results? Is it publicity or fame they want? I think it's just because they can do it without any negative consequences to their careers. Why the peer reviews are unreliable? One hand washes another hand: review my paper favorably, I will also do you a favour. It destroys the science. Thank you Dr Tour and Dr Zenil for being brave to stand up for the truth. Please get us more guys like you!! ❤

When the OoL professor was performing his monologue, I was waiting for a top hat rabbit trick, or a wand into flowers one. It was all rhetoric, but Tour solved all this with his original first videos on what they actually don't have, science.

I appreciated the calm and rational explanation by Hector Zenil. He is right that it does not advance science when something is overhyped or repackaged and claimed to be something new. As a peer reviewer it was expected of me that I would present to the editor my assessment of how the manuscript compared with and properly cited prior work. It was also expected that I evaluate the claims in it about novelty and true contributions to the field. It is a failing of the peer review process using inappropriate reviewers if this isn’t happening. At least Zenil is taking the right stand here and calling this out. I’ll read more by Zenil.

This looks terribly for Cronin. I hadn't ascribed any malicious intent to his approach or work before now, but this is scientific malpractice at the very least. If they are repurposing old compression tools without citation that is plagiaristic, intentional or not.

It's ridiculous how these men know they are wrong but becouse of pride or money they continue to lie and be deceitful with people like us that aren't scientist just to fool us out of hate or disdain or they're own God complex. Thank you Tour for all your work

Anti Christian bias is a problem in academia and papers have been published on that. Unfortunately dr. Tour is a victim of this bias. Fortunately dr. Tour has the fortitude to fight back and the competence to put his unfair critics to shame. Praise God.

That was not a debate. That was a round table. But, at this stage in the conversation, we are no longer surprised by your dishonesty.

Lee Cronin steals work of other people, does not credit anyone, presents it as something new and has audacity to call James nefarious and throws other bold accusations. James gave him "benefit of the doubt" I do not give him or them any. By the way find Hectors RU-vid, he has a decent video expanding and repeating the same under a different angle - It becomes quite clear that Lee and his "theory" is a fraud.

God Bless Dr. Tour! The truth will set us free!

reaching truth is impossible without virtue

This is a video I have to watch 10 times to barely grasp 10% of the information presented 😭😂. Incredible discussion. Thank you for sharing!

During an interview, when asked if the genetic code is really a code, Dr. Richard Dawkins answered, *_“It [the genetic code] IS a code. It's definitely a code.”_* (Source: Jon Perry - Genetics & Evolution Stated Casually RU-vid Channel Interview with Dr. Richard Dawkins on 4-2-2022. Dr. Richard Dawkins is widely regarded as the world’s foremost expert on Darwinian Evolution)

If you are getting attention from these guys, you are doing something right

James Tour has always stressed the need for science and scientists to operate by causal explanation. Therefore, for Cronin to say that Tour is invoking a 'god of the gaps' approach makes no sense, Tour is simply drawing attention to the 'naturalistic gaps' in the origin of life research. it is Cronin who promotes a theory requiring 'gaps', which he tries to redeem by suggesting that science is a fallible, groping-after-truth process. But for the sake of science, such an approach has always to be judged by causal explanation. When this is done, as in the case of Hector Zenil's analysis, Cronin's theory fails the test of rigour. It's really that simple. Cronin's salad word sentences can't obfuscate this basic truth.

I think it was 2017 when Lee Cronin described his own organic chemistry aptitude in very disparaging terms (recorded for all to see) It’s no wonder he wanted to talk about assembly theory. The debate was billed as being about OOL but hard for anyone (except fawning Harvard attendees) to see the link. Pretty obvious Cronin put the ABRA CADABRA on them. Having said that Dr. Tour has done his rebuttal to assembly theory and should go back to his own area of (considerable) expertise.

Much needed clarification. Thanks Dr. Tour - you are the Best.

Some videos are titled "Scientist destroyed by..." and are clickbait. This video in fact destroys Lee Cronin. It does respectful, scientifically and transparently, but it indeed fully destroys the credibility, results and false motivations behind Cronin. Please keep these whistleblowing videos coming!!

Now, I've nothing against Hector Zenil, he seems a reputable scientist with extensive and relevant qualifications to talk about Cronin and his colleagues' ideas, though it puzzles me why he should want to associate himself with Tour. Maybe he isn't as distressingly familiar with Tour as the rest of us. But what I'd really want to listen to is a discussion between Cronin and Zenil. Now _that_ would have actually been informative and productive. Perhaps Tour was reluctant to invite Cronin based on his previous drudging. Having looked through a list of Zenil's publications, I'm not sure how many of them are directly relevant to the specific applications discussed by Cronin and colleagues, but I also didn't see anything refuting either abiogenesis or evolution, and only a handful with explicit reference to biomolecular systems, though no doubt others have indirect relevance. But he's just one of hundreds of scientists working on informational theory and its applications to real evolution, and Nature prefers shorter reference lists. But certainly Zenil has contributed to the field.

Calling an open round table discussion a debate is very weird. Weirdo. Why are you this way?

God in the gaps is a ridiculous notion. Science can't explain the origin of the universe nor the origin of life. If God is in those gaps, then God can't be excluded from anything else. It's all or none, never just in gaps.

*_"It is only at the semantic level that we really have meaningful information; thus, we may establish the following theorem: Theorem 14: Any entity, to be accepted as information, must entail semantics; it must be meaningful. Semantics is an essential aspect of information because the meaning is the only invariant property. The statistical and syntactical properties can be altered appreciably when information is represented in another language (e.g., translated into Chinese), but the meaning does not change. Meanings always represent mental concepts; therefore, we have: Theorem 15: When its progress along the chain of transmission events is traced backward, every piece of information leads to a mental source, the mind of the sender."_* Dr. Werner Gitt (Former Head of the Department of Information Technology at Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Germany)

Thank you Dr. Tour for shedding light on this scandal and your guest. His insight of the OOL community mixing half truths to save their deceptive theory is a really eloquent way of articulating how their position is dogmatically peddled around.

Dover trials ruling, 2005: “Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3, of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."”

Thanks Dr. Zenil for exposing what Assembly Theory is. Thanks Dr. Tour for explaining Dr. Zenil's presentation. I learned something. Will watch this video again several times.

“It’s the title of the paper, so you’re wrong and lying y’know?” - A Science Communicator

thank you James! i’m a former manager of a materials R&D lab for a fortune 500 company and a believer in Jesus Christ, and you are doing yeoman’s work!

This interview is greatly appreciated. It shows how much integrity you have for getting to the facts. You didn't present yourself as an expert in all the areas of knowledge you needed to address but found Dr. Zenil who is able to address them with authority. It was clear that Dr. Cronin was being deceptive but this discussion shows just how hard he worked to delude people into thinking that Assembly Theory is providing any advances in proving materialistic evolution.

Lee Cronin couldn't defend his stand on origin of life, he only started talking history and other stuff about how science works. But we all know that science progresses, no one argues that. When one starts to bring up something that doesn't make sense to the data and call it science, it should be taken down immediately and not treated as a fact and shoved down the throat of students.

Disingenuous and deceptive on the part of Lee Cronin, sham! Excellent expert witness Dr. Zenil. Thankyou Dr. Tour.

*_"Language: All Digital communications require a formal language, which in this context consists of all the information that the sender and receiver of the digital communication must both possess, in advance, in order for the communication to be successful."_* (Wikipedia: Digital Data) Inherent in DNA is language. Language is scientifically confirmed to be the product of only Mind/ Consciousness / Intelligence.

Harvard. The woke factory disgraced for plagiarism?

Modern Quantum Physics has shown that reality is based on probability: ​ A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of just one (1) functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by un-directed random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer. On the other hand, it has been scientifically proven numerous times that Consciousness does indeed collapse the wave function to cause information waves of probability/potentiality to become particle/matter with 1/1 probability. A rational and reasonable person could therefore conclude that the answer is consciousness. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely irrational and unreasonable hypotheses are what some of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased, incomplete ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millennia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by observation of the universe and discoveries in Quantum Physics.)

Thank you Dr. Tour for being beacon of light as a scientist. Question to Dr. James Tour: Why is Prof. Cronin is still an atheist? Hope and pray that you are going to have a conversation with Prof. Cronin regarding spirituality and faith.

Professor Tour is a nightmare for these so-called expert academics to debate. He doesn't argue science with them per a spiritual perspective, but a scientific one - which they KNOW they cannot refute. So they go off and attack him as a clueless creationist with unsubstantiated contentions. But many of the academics, while non-theists, nonetheless can see that Tour's critics are like the "King that has no clothes" - as they have zero credible arrows in their scientific quivers, merely attacking him and spouting their same old, redundantly refuted "garbage!"

Given the problems with these papers, why not call for the retraction of these papers by the publishing journals? There are many examples of papers with identified problems on Retraction Watch. Would love to see more of these problematic papers up there.

I've noticed that very often when an interlocutor knows really in their own mind that your argument against their assertions is unassailable, they accuse you of 'shouting'.

Great video Jim! As a former Analytical Chemist and CIO this was a very interesting indeed.

Thanks for sharing Hector's background - BUT you missed an important bit. Hector was rebuffed by Lee Cronin many years ago, and has had an axe to grind ever since. Then there is Tour's prophesy about what Cronin would discuss. Cronin has said that if he had, Tour was probably the only person interested, because most attendees were from other fields, and very few if any, chemists where present other than Tour.

Youre a great man of God Doctor, keep your great TOUR for the souls, your reward in the heavens will be enormous. i thanks God for make His Grace reach you

I've always been behind you, Dr Tour.....please keep going. Thank you, kindly, sir.

Assembly Theory Hypothesis: Using Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence created computer algorithms to possibly detect cosmic objects that were potentially created by a Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence (Abridged)

The work by Lee Cronin and colleagues was published on Oct 4, in Nature 622, pages 321-328 (2023): Assembly theory explains and quantifies selection and evolution. Now this isn't a mathematical treatment of evolution I've ever looked into so I don't consider myself qualified to comment on either the originality or utility of this paper. Obviously it's based on a lot of preceding work, the novel claim seems to be mainly that it provides a better general description of self-organising systems and their evolution at the molecular scale. Still, as a biochemist I don't think it's sufficient in and of itself to demonstrate how abiogenesis happened. We need actual molecular mechanisms before we can be happy about that, but it does give a theoretical backdrop to the argument that there is nothing in physics, chemistry or thermodynamics mitigating against abiogenesis or the self-organisation of living organisms. It doesn't tell us - nor does it pretend to - what came first in the process of abiogenesis: lipids, carbohydrates, nucleotides, peptides, or maybe something that isn't quite any of those. Or maybe it was some combination of some or all of it. If there is anyone qualified to critique the work and analysis presented in this paper, published in a prestigious and peer-reviewed journal, perhaps they could point us to where Cronin and his colleagues go wrong, with specific reference to arguments made in the paper.

It is really sad to see that Lee Cronin's Assembly Theory intent to dismiss the results from Kolmogorov-Solomonov-Chaitin's Algorithmic Information Theory (perhaps because he is not enough familiar with mathematics and information theory). Come on, we are talking about one of the giants from the history of 20th century mathematics: Kolmogorov, without disregarding the enormous contributions from Solomonov and Chaitin . Everything in Algorithmic Information Theory is founded in solid mathematical theorems.

Dr Zenil you are to be congratulated on having the moral core that says truth is more important than a philosophical view. If we are to proceed in science, worldviews may drive the way we think but we must not allow our philosophical worldview to mask the truth of science. This is a fantastic video having 2 completely opposite worldviews collaborating to gain an understanding of the natural world. Someday science may discover an algorithm which explains life but we still haven’t answered where the algorithm came from. This is the question as individuals we can only answer for ourselves and we shouldn’t be threatened by the other side for the answer we apply to our life.

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. once said in his book, Cats Cradle, "tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly, man got to sit and wonder why, why, why. Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land, man got to tell him so he understand." I am content accepting the great mystery. fascinating to witness how far human beings are willing to go to try to find an answer.

Can't wait...

I tried hard but this was painful. I truly love Dr. Tour, he is a true warrior for the truth.

Cronin's entire presentation was naturalism of the gaps. He has the utmost FAITH that this is true and science will figure out all these problems, no matter how large or many, because there is no other option in his mind. There is no God, so this is the only possible way, so it doesn't matter how many holes there are in the theory. His worldview doesn't allow him to look at any other options. This is why atheism is close minded. Theism allows you to see the natural and supernatural order, but atheism only allows you to look at EVERY SINGLE facet of reality through a natural lens. So it doesn't matter if Jesus appeared in the sky tomorrow for the entire world to see, there would still be atheists on youtube tomorrow saying that it was an illusion from the government or aliens or some religious group. All Cronin did was venerate the scientific method and criticize James for shouting so loudly about the problems (shh, let's work on these issues quietly and not let the public know about them). He was acting like attacking his worldview and research was attacking science itself. This is the same thing that Fauci said during the pandemic. This is a religious worldview, and these scientists are the magesterium, who are quick to excommunicate fellow scientists from the "scientism" religion as soon as they get even a whiff of heresy. Naturalism must be protected at all costs. The forever fatal flaw of any of this research is that you always introduce intelligence into the experiment, so at best you can prove that intelligence can create life, and since we are made in the image of God, the ability to create life in a lab would confirm theism, not naturalism. Outside of rocks beginning to wake up, this can never logically prove naturalism. That's their worldview. One day the rocks just woke up for some reason and here we are. And they call theists crazy? But again, they don't see these as issues because they already believe that naturalism is true, so a fatal flaw in their research is completely overlooked. It is the only possible game in town. It is the definition of "I was blind" from the Bible. It's right in front of their eyes, but they cannot see it. It's the craziest thing!

Lee just tried to hawk his "Assembly Theory" the whole time; it looked like a self promotion. It reminded me of that Onion News network "Congress Debates Merits Of New Catchphrase".

Thank you James Tour. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge on this topic.

*_"After Watson and Crick, we know that genes themselves, within their minute internal structure, are long strings of pure digital information. What is more, they are truly digital..."_* (Richard Dawkins, River out of Eden, 16. Dr. Richard Dawkins is widely regarded as the world’s foremost expert on Darwinian Evolution)

Regarding Assembly Hypothesis, is it possible to determine the Assembly Index (AI) of polypeptides? If so, what would be the AI for polypeptides?

If after the excellent explanation from Hector Zenil, there is not future for Assembly Theory, which by the way is NOT a theory (in fact, AT is only an hypothesis, not a theory).

Hello Dr. Tour, God bless. Can you please also post 10 to 20 min summaries of your debates? It is KEY that people take away the generalities and most importantly, the conclusions. Then, with more time, all can watch the 2 hours video. Please consider it. Thanks.

James, one of the smartest scientistists and they try to discredit you because you speak passionately. Crazy.

I was wondering why you were so quiet when sitting at the round table now I know.

Tour is right, the more we learn about the chemistry of life, the further the goalpost for life arising on it's own gets.

Just a tiny nitpick: LZW is used in GIF images. Gzip uses LZ77 and is used with PNG images. LZW was patented (like most of the algorithms) and owner of the patent tried to establish a "GIF tax" on anyone who used LZW. This was a big brouhaha in the 90s, up until the LZW patent expired by July 2004.

Really loved this discussion with Dr Hector Zenlin!😊

Very reminiscent of how science and engineering in USSR was conducted. You could have excellent ideas but if you aren't friend of the Party you couldn't go anywhere professionally.

Dr. Hector Zenil holds degrees in BSc Math, PGCert Nano, MPhil Logic, PhD CompSci... WOW, I can't even write out all of his training and experience. I can see I'll probably have great difficulty keeping up with this one!

I like when you speak louder, it shows your frustration, we all would shout if some "teacher" would says that 2+2 is 5...! Keep being yourself! Thanks for the work you do!

I was looking for this video on RU-vid, but because I had restricted mode on, I only got a lot of video's from Dave Farina. Why is your video restricted, while Dave Farina's video's are not?

When it comes to the probability of Life forming randomly without a Creator, OOL scientists always channel Han Solo from the asteroid scene in The Empire Strikes Back: "Never tell me the odds!"

Thank you both for your quiet, courageous, uncompromising devotion to truth!

When your premise is a lie, and let’s have it right, origin of life is a blatant lie/hoax/con, then all you can ever do is lie to defend it.

Welcome to the age of Deceptive Science I present to you Dr Lee Cronin & OOL gang.

Jim Tour is a treasure

It was a privilege to listen to this, but I am also grateful for the 'bot' for recommending it to me here on The Tube.

Thank you both of you.