I think progression is more than just inventing new tricks. Clips used as bangers 20 years ago are used as throw away footy, or as a trick in a middle of a competition run. That’s progression to me.
i think overall, as a community, we are absolutely still progressing. but then there's shit like rodney's 'opinion' part and i question whether or not we've really progressed past that, and it's from 2001. i really don't think we have, but overall as a whole, the community is always progressing. we just don't have individual innovators in the same sense as in the 80's and 90's.
The way people are approaching spots now is pretty fresh. Like Max Palmer doing a wallride into a front board on a handrail. Or Jesse Alba bonking off grass. No one thought to do that sort of thing back in the day.
There is a HUGE lack of people doing tricks where the board spins the opposite way of their body. Why do you never see a pop shove it with a front side body varial? Once people start committing to these kind of tricks it will be an entire set of new stuff to unlock. Plus this year is the year of the wall ride we are seeing crazy stuff being done off the wall.
@@TheSultan1470 Dang my comment got got and it didnt say anything bad at all???? RU-vid is so bad these days. Yeah I'm good on taking some dudes word for it. Btw I double backflip treflip down el toro trust me.
One thing I could say that changed with the grinds now they have board rails under your board so u can do like board slide and lift the front up or tilt the back sorta like a manny
Did anyone do a good looking fakie fs 180 late shove? 😅 That would be a nice and neat trick to watch. Anyway, Rad Rat is really good at freestyle, would love to see more, or some street footage even, something new and fresh from him, there were just questions and gameplays lately if I'm not mistaken.
I don't know Rad Rat, when you bring this THPS mentality to skating, focusing on this trick name or that combo, you limit the concept of progression here. Skateboarding will always progress by mix and matching and challenging what came before the current trend, tricks, combos, spots, style, video editing. Maybe you need to watch more modern street skating 🥸
@@dolphinitely_bro3944 I totally agree with you, this video would be similar as "guitar progression stopped evolving because all chords were invented" 😅
I agree too, but I think that's missing his point, which would be more akin to ' no new chords can be invented '. At least nothing that's reproducible and versatile enough to add to the staples of skating.
@callumwoulahan7681 thanks for sharing. I believe the video doesn't to a great job at defining the "chords", he calls an Impossible Late Varial Flip as a "new trick", but a Nollie Hardflip Smith as a something that "already exists", and both are combos. Lazy analysis.
i gravitate more towards early '90s skate videos. kinda sketchy DIY vibe, but fast and high energy. i kinda tuned out with the super-tech, XX-stairs, and death-defying stuff. i appreciate the skill it takes, and risk involved, but i'd rather watch early-mid '90s street skating, or bowl/pool/vert.
skateboarding progression probably isn't just a straight line. progression in general tends to plateau if not flatline after a time once most things about a thing are discovered.
I think the progression is going on in the sense that people try to make their tricks their own by mastering a nishe trick amd getting them consistently, also the ability of recording the progress has progressed.
There are new stuff like the unpossible or the front foot impossible where the front foot makes the board spin in an impossible motion but spinning the tail and not the nose. You also have the cancel flips (quite recent) or the Haslam Flip, etc. My biggest complaint is that SLS is too focused on legacy tricks. You will never see a tre hardflip in SLS although they are doable. And that’s a pity.
The human body can only do so much, I don’t see a ton of progression from when I skated in the late 2000’s. I think pros push each other more nowadays but overall I still don’t see anyone even doing what Rodney Mullen was doing 40 years ago.
I've seen a Casper slide IRL in the 2022 Euro Freestyle Championships by a Pro UK freestyler called Tony Gale (it was awesome). I don't think a fakie casper slide is possible because of the way the tail slides for a casper slide. It would be very difficult to get the hinge point on the tail I think, without driving the end of the tail too far into the ground (causing the board to flip end over end towards you). From my very limited understanding of a casper slide, it is vital to push down using your momentum into the tail of the board to pinch the slide properly. If going fakie, your momentum is reversed, making that push on the tail go against the direction of travel, which would mean a fakie casper would need to be popped into even faster than a normal casper slide - which is insane to think about. If it is a super smooth surface, then maybe, but defo not on regular concrete i don't think. I'd love to see it though!
Yay I got on. Thanks for bringing out the Thrasher "on Board" article. I used to read those every month in the 80s to learn new tricks. The one you mentioned from Mullen the "Helipop" was something I learned, I just did it on my Natas Panther deck instead of a freestyle deck, which by the way I never understood how he did it without a nose at all. I was talking to someone and mentioned learning helipops from a magazine and the guy looked at me like I was speaking gibberish. I had to say, "Nollie 360, they used to be called Helipops".
vertical fifty fifty. you may need conical wheels. it's like a wall ride but heelside wheels are above the wall. shit, my english is not enough to explain. mix of wall ride and fifty fiffy. you have to stand on your deck like richie jackson dude did at death skateboards part thumbnail on trasher youtube channel. i am gonna stop explaining now. i hope that is enough lol.
@@mehmetfratozgun6858 took me a minute to find it, but Matt Tomasello did this on a curb in his old Jenkem part, basically a pogo blunt. (he's done a bunch of other impossible to name stuff too)
Mike mo popularized impossible late flip and tons of people have done that. So to say mullen was 'almost def' the only person to add a shuv is pretty off.
Tech ledge skating peaked when Peter Smolik part in fulfill the dream came out. Yuto is doing his tricks today and winning sls & filming parts with his tricks
The only unnamed gring option that i know about it a 180 into switch feeble cuase if you smith it its a barley/bennet but what about when you feeble it?
I'd say yeah progression is dead for now, cause everyone is doing the exact same tricks nowadays "tre flip this and that" especially these new kids, and no one is really doing tricks that influence the scene. Don't get me wrong these new pro skaters are gnarly but they are not like how pro skaters were back in the 90s and 2000s cause its already been done. I feel once that new pro skater who is very talented and very influential they will invent something crazy that skateboarding hasnt seen yet.
Skateboarding peaked in the 2000s, maybe even up to the early 10s. It's a lot like auto racing, there's only so fast you can go, with skateboarding there's only so many tricks you do.
It has become a video-capture sport. New, cool tricks will continue to happen. But they are 1 in a 1000 attempt tricks. So the video evidence proves that they are possible...but the tricks are so crazy that no one would ever be able to learn them well enough to land them consistently. I wouldn't say that these video-game-esque tricks are adding to the evolution of skateboarding. They are just 1 in a 1000, novelty or gimmick tricks. So yeah, I think the or evolution of skateboarding has stalled.
Jamie Griffin invented A LOT of tricks. Gin woo is also pushing tech skating to levels we've never seen. If there's anything that hinders the progression of skateboarding, it's the oldhead gatekeepers who are obsessed with emphasizing style and clout. They'll ignore or even mock skaters with real creativity and innovation if it doesn't match their idea of "cool". And others will just bandwagon off of the same ideals.
@@skunkwerkz777 I mean It's still innovation. I agree with you, Jamie, especially, is Just too gimmicky and corny. I'll always enjoy watching a crooked down a stair rail more than any of his complex and ugly flatground tricks. Still tho, he is inovating. The core of what an average skateboarder Will ever be able to do on a skateboard is pretty much set by this point, without much room for innovation. So I guess I get the appeal of guys like Jamie, even though I'm not into what he does at all.
@@noober98704 This thread literally proves my comment to be true. People will just bandwagon off toxic ideals who prioritize clout and style and mock other skaters with insane creative talent. Don't get me wrong the guys you mentioned are good, but like RR said, they're not necessarily creating anything new or setting a new standard. But when somebody does, they get criticized for not having a "good style" or some dumb shit. If Rodney for example, never took Marc Johnson's advice to not give af about what gatekeepers considered "cool" and do his own thing, he would've never dropped his globe opinion part which ended up inspiring future generations of skaters and boosting the progression and standards of skateboarding today. But the fact that these gatekeepers and companies refrain from marketing people like Rodney and deem them as "gimmicky and kooks", is what hinders the progression of skateboarding today.
I think the way you (and most people) think about skating is what limits the trick invention, there are plenty of new tricks being invented, you just need to take a step back and open up the definition of a trick. Richie Jackson is the first person that comes to mind when I talk about non traditional "tricks" but there are heaps of people doing that sort of thing now. I think it's fair to call it a new trick when somebody stalls on a plastic traffic bollard and rides it down a spiral staircase, or when somebody waxes their shoes and slides on their soles along something then lands back on the board as it rolls, I'm sure some of it has been done before in a similar way, but some of it is brand new concepts. IMO it's a holdover from the 90s mentality of there being some sort of skateboard laws that govern what is and isn't "legit", "Ohh your foot touched the ground? Nah dog, not a trick, that's cheating"
