Fakie makes perfect sense when all stances revolve around the skater's natural stance. Fakie means Natural Stance riding backwards. It is simple to understand.
it also comes from the fish board aera where you ‚ve only a tail. there was no nollie. going fakie was the nollie from this time. it was the faked nollie (called fakie). and if you‘ve learned your first fs180, you can do it also fakie (looks like a nollie for outstanding) but your motion ist backwards fs180 (called fakie fs 180)
we don't need to get rid of fakie, we need to get rid of the distinction between rotational directions based on stance, and decide on one well-defined understanding of backside/frontside and nosegrind/5-0/etc in those stances. for example, is the front truck on the rail? then it's a nosegrind regardless of where you pop it from
I've always agreed with this. However, I just thought of this: You do a 180 nose grind - it's not a 180 switch 5-0 - but if you were to kickflip out, even though it's on the nose, it's not a nollie flip. It's a switch flip out. As odd as it sounds, I suppose it would be a fakie nollie flip since it's moving backwards but on the nose. It's weird, so I've come to terms with the different ways we say tricks as long as we understand what's being communicated.
Facts, like a fakie crook, it’s technically a fakie suski , but because Suski grinds are only considered one when it’s done backside, “fakie suski” doesn’t work for FS too. So I think folks just say fakie crook to make it easier. But calling it that conflicts with an actual fakie crook (looks like a switch 5-0 ). This shit can get too damn confusing lol.
Frontside & Backside is the skater's the approach. It's simple to understand. The terms were invented with kickturns and applies to all grinds and rotations perfectly. Fakie or the other hand means riding backwards with your natural stance. So you're riding backwards. The tail is still what you're popping off when riding fakie. The front end of the board is still your natural nose riding backwards. Think natural nosegrind while riding backwards. Simple. (In the average mind it would be a fakie ollie to switch 5-0, but it's just a nosegrind while riding backwards.) (Nollie has nothing to do with switch, Nollie is a natural stance nose ollie.) (Switch is your unnatural stance. It is standalone.)
@@trashvomitstudios what a bad take... the tail has nothing to do with the direction the board is facing, some board shapes have a tail with a shape distinct from the nose... fakie only refers to stance, and everything that happens after the pop should be held to uniform standards
Frontside & Backside is the skater's the approach. It's simple to understand. The terms were invented with kickturns and applies to all grinds and rotations perfectly. Fakie or the other hand means riding backwards with your natural stance. So you're riding backwards. The tail is still what you're popping off when riding fakie. The front end of the board is still your natural nose riding backwards. Think natural nosegrind while riding backwards. Simple. (In the average mind it would be a fakie ollie to switch 5-0, but it's just a nosegrind while riding backwards.) (Nollie has nothing to do with switch, Nollie is a natural stance nose ollie.) (Switch is your unnatural stance. It is standalone.)
We don't really need to do anything, fakie is backwards, everything else isn't. It's that simple. New skaters need to learn and respect the history of how tricks got invented or else we end up with stupid wrong instagram names for tricks that have been landed 30 years ago.
Switch stance generally has a higher level of difficulty than fakie. Referring to fakie as switch nollie is an insult to those that can skate switch, and I can’t skate switch. I think it’s worth mentioning in this conversation, that Rodney Mullin doesn’t acknowledge switch as a stance. According to him, you’re either skating regular or goofy foot. I don’t know his feeling about fakie though .
i like fakie cuz it means backwards on bikes so a fakie manny on a skateboard is thought of like a backwards manny and thats cool and easy to understand 😊
Nollie is more difficult because it's the opposite of what you've been doing all along. Having to fight the muscle memory to learn to pop and flick with the opposite feet is the point, in a fakie ollie you're popping and flicking your normal way.
But then the same can be said for a switch Ollie. This is why it throws some people off. All of the arguments for why we still use falie also applies for switch, but when it's a switch and when it's fakie aren't universally applied.
the terms make more sense on old school boards then our modern more symmetric boards. Nollie would be popping off the tiny nose while fakie would be riding backwards and popping off of the giant tail. In theory you could say a switch nollie would be popping off the tiny nose but switch.
The way I understand it there’re 4 stances. Regular, Fakie, Nollie, & Switch. To get rid of the term “fakie” would be erasing history… for instance a fakie nosegrind is referred to as such because when it was invented “switch 5-0’s” were not a thing. Yes perhaps someone had did one but they were not mainstream… So we keep calling it “fakie nosegrind” instead of “fakie switch 5-0” or “switch nollie 5-0” which all describe the same thing. I started skating in ‘86-‘87. I do notice the newer generations prefer calling it the different way. For instance what I call a Noseslide to 180 nosegrind the younger guys will say it’s a noseslide to switch 5-0. I prefer 180 nosegrind as I started the trick in regular stance and as mentioned due to history. “180 nosegrinds” were more typical / happened before switch 5-0’s. But I’m a living fossil of a past time so I will have to adapt and accept what the new generations prefer. But I do not think we should “erase history”. Now the backside vs frontside thing needs a makeover way more than fakie vs “switch nollie” imho. My understanding is it always pertained to riding vert… but for some reason we still call a fakie frontside 180 just that even though your backside is leading the way…
Who's gonna be the first to start saying "switch nollie"? We are. You are. Anyone who thinks that's a decent way to describe what used to always be called a "fakie ollie." After all, THPS *did* use this phrasing over 20 years ago. Prescriptive pedants might not appreciate the change, but who cares? Let them be mad, they'll still understand what "switch nollie" means.
When I started skating ( on 30x10 boards with no kick nose ) fakie was just riding backwards. It was a lot more obvious as the board only had a tail at one end. We normally used it meaning a landing, so if you did a 180 off a ramp, then you rolled away fakie. With modern symmetrical boards then it doesn't really have as much meaning
I feel like half of the people who misname fakie tricks, especially on RU-vid, just do it to annoy people. It drives engagement and it absolutely works 😂
Sorry, but this "get rid of Fakie stance" sounds a bit clickbaity. Everyone who skates for some time knows how much the Fakie stance shares more mechanics with the Regular stance than Nollie. A Halfcab Flip shares so many mechanics with a BS Flip, a Halfcab Noseslide locks in the same position as a Noseslide. Changing it to "Switch Nollie" is kinda dumb because it doesn't ring any bells on skaters who experienced all stances 🙃 It gets even dumber when you think about trick semantics, "Fakie" is a unique name, so people recognise it faster. By saying this was a "Switch Nollie Flip" people will visualise first all other stances before Fakie.
@@kingraptor11 how does it revolve around the forward path? i suppose something like a fakie frontside flip doesnt revolve around that concept but it makes sens if you just say its the same thing moving backwards
@@kingraptor11 frontside and backside is based on rotation. if you are regular stance frontside is counterclockwise spin in all stance expect for switch. backside is a clockwise spin in all stance except switch. for switch you call it like your goofy footed.
@@StevenHim318 Nope. If you skate regular, a regular back 180 is clockwise, a switch backside 180 is counter clockwise. If you skate goofy a regular backside 180 is counter clockwise, a switch back 180 is clockwise.
Isn't fakie the only way to indicate you are going backwards in your natrual stance (regulary/goofy) and sort of what foot you are using? Let's say you are regular. Ollie with right foot, nollie with left foot, but fakie ollie is done with your right foot so nolie and fakie are not the same.
switch/nollie makes no sense, you are either riding switch which is facing forward on you unnatural position or you are riding nollie which is riding on the nose after pushing on your regular position .
Rad Rat is a nerd. We all are. Its funny ive been doing action sports since like 93... so ive seen all the games. I was already a less than jake fan before I played street sk8r. Fakie makes sense. Also in skateboarding tradition is good. Yall are now in the olympics and the sport is trendy or has been. I mean everyone has been wearing thrasher shirts and vans. So some traditions are good to keep to keep the sport close to its roots. Im a rollerblader. Our sport is still close to its roots.
We don’t have to change the name of anything, just simply agree on a few different questions overall. Is Fakie, Switch but popped off the nose, or regular but riding backwards?? To me, there is no “riding backwards”. The nose is always the front of the board in relation to direction travelled regardless of how you pop. Everything in skateboarding (save for very few shorthand named tricks, Cab, Suski, etc) is symmetrical. If Nollie = Ollie but popped from nose, then Fakie = switch but popped from nose. I’m with you on the direction of Frontside vs Backside. It SHOULD be just as you describe, if your facing forward (relative to direction travelled) at 90 degree rotation it should be Frontside and so on.
Nah. Fakie is pretty fundemental to the process of learning tricks. Also, you're comparing Fakie stance to Nollie when Fakie is more comparable to your regular stance. Nollie is comparable to Switch as you pop with what is normally your front foot in both stances. Fakie isn't a "Switch Nollie." Nollie is Switch Stance but rolling forward in your regular stance.
I think people view the whole fakie, nollie, switch nollie, too differently for people to agree. Each way makes sense but its just what ever is the agreed language. I use to think fakie 5-0 was the back truck doing the 5-0 because in my head i had is as front truck is always nose grind and back truck is 5-0 regardless of stance. I now know that to be wrong but in my head thats how i always call it.
This is how it should be!! The nose should always be the front of the board in relation to direction travelled. It doesn’t matter how you pop, if you are grinding on your front truck, it’s a nosegrind. To me fakie is “switch nollie” not regular riding backwards.
@@mtgguiltfeeder4111yeah but the whole point of Fakie is that you are doing tricks backwards. That’s why fakie 5-0 makies sense cuz it’s a 5-0 but bwckwards
@@David-kx7tz And that’s nonsense to me because you can’t skate “backwards”, you are standing switch and popping off the nose. The problem is when Fakie became a thing, no one really skated or had even conceptualized switch stance yet.
i started skating in 1985 and this is how most people i know view the whole ollie, nollie, fakie, switch thing.... the only time a trick should have a different name for the opposite position imo is half/full cab tricks. these are only for fakie 180s/360s. the opposite is just nollie 180 and nollie 360. other than that every trick combo name is based on how you start the trick. there is no need to add extra descriptions to a combo trick. ollie, nollie and fakie all lead to regular grinds, slides and manuals. here's a really easy way to look at it.... if you start out ollie, nollie or fakie and whether it is fs/bs, regardless of doing the trick straight or turning 180/360 into it.... picture whatever you would call the grind, slide or manual as if you are rolling forward and that is how you describe the trick. if you start a trick switch the entire combo is switch. when people say 180 to switch crook, (meaning turning slightly more in the air than a tailslide and landing in a "switch crook"), that's just not right. that is simply a bs or fs 180 to suski. a "switch 180 to regular 5-0" is just a "switch 180 nosegrind" and why is there bs overcrooks, but no fs overcrooks?!?!
But then for some reason everyone just accepts “fakie front crook” as a fakie Ollie into a switch front crook?? But technically it’s a fakie front suski?
This is a subject I get very passionate about. Stop trying to change the trick names, and especially the stances. Just learn the terminology properly and use it.
Switching fs/bs for nollie and fakie is so dumb. Saying fakie is better for it being shorter. By the time you realize nollie means nose Ollie youve probably already learned what fakie means.
Hey honey I did switch mongo today I’ve observed my natural stance... I know people love old mongo switch footage. But to push switch (goofy for me) I just grab my board with my right hand. Throw it down and catch the tail with the tip of my right foot. Push it back behind me so my front foot is on the front bolts, shift my weight to front foot and push off. But on a ramp coming down fakie is different, and going up fakie there’s not much to do but half cab. You can ride up to coping in fakie going backside, do a half cab and lock into a frontside 50-50, and come out in your natural stance. The nomenclature is the easy part.
nah man it's good the way it is, everything fakie makes perfect sense to me. it's skateboarding backwards, super simple. tricks are named based on how they feel and the technique, not necessarily how the look. i like it that way it.
I appreciate your well thought out opinion, but I disagree about the stance questions. For me, and probably for many other skaters fakie and nollie are not equivalent, they just feel inherently different, and I've always felt that way, no matter how comfortable I've felt riding switch in general. Edit: Also, the fact that most modern boards are not quite symmetrical creates a clear difference in feeling depending in which end you use as the nose and/or tail. Unless, I suppose, you skate your board both ways consistently, but I feel like not many people do that.
Switch Nollie?! Oof. That does sound weird. Then you would be switch nollie front 180 back 50-50'ing, when you could just half cab 50-50 or half cab front 50-50. Which would be switch nollie front 180 front 50-50. I mean if you wanna sound smart...lol Half cab 50-50 Half cab front 50-50 Frontside Half cab 50-50 Frontside Half cab front 50-50 Nollie front 180 switch back 50. Nollie front 180 switch front 50. Nollie back 180 switch back 50. Nollie back 180 switch front 50. All perfectly good trick names. Nollie half cab switch back 50-50 makes sense, but the name is no shorter than before. Nollie front 180 switch back 50-50 feels kind of redundant too. But it totally works. Now Nollie half cab switch 5-0... would it be the same as a fakie 5-0? Hypothetically. (But a half cab nosegrind is the same thing as a fakie 5-0, so it is proportional to half cab rotations and whether fakie stays in regular and nollie goes to switch slides/grinds. It makes more sense than the fakie 5-0 alone, which is in fact backwards) Who knows. It's too different. We'd have to change the name of all the abd's. Same thing for fakie, if we did switch nollie, we'd have to change all the names in the books. It would take 1984 levels of effort to do that.
Well..... I can't fully agree. I mean, the literal pose when riding backwards _should_ be different. Someone can ride up a ramp and take the switch stance to prepare for a then forward facing trick. At that point; it's no longer fakie. But if your posture and attitude is still predominantly facing backwards when going down that same ramp, then it _has_ to be fakie. It's just a very different stance. As for rotational direction defining what is frontside and what is backside.... yeah I've got HUGE issues with what people consider frontside and backside for tricks. The logic is broken. But at least fakie, as in 'riding backwards', makes sense.
switch nollie will be the thing now or later. if we skate long enough different terminologies can relatably easy to understand. there's also a board company called switch nollie. go check em out!
I mean i'm of two minds. If fakie doesn't exist then there isn't really a way to describe doing tricks in a backwards direction. Switch nollie would be shoulders facing the nose in switch stance. Fakie would be shoulders facing the tail. That's the way i've always thought about it. While it is annoying, fakie is too culturally engrained now to remove.
I think this is where being a big overly technical, perhaps, can just make things a bit too tedious, just for the sake of knowing exactly what a person is doing, for 1 frame of a photo. I think it pretty clearly explains, at least if you've had any exposure to skateboarding terms, what is happening. It looks like you're about to nollie, but you're not, so it's a fake nollie: fakie 🙃 and if you come down from a rock and roll or something, with your back foot heading in the forward direction, are you standing in switch nollie? I guess you could say that, if you wanted, but it just sounds odd I think.
Switch doesn't exist either. A kickflip and switch kickflip are the same thing, your preferred orientation on the board is irrelevant in a cosmic sense.
Ive always thought about making nollie finally a stance instead of just a trick. Since skateboarding is so advanced these days having every stance would be way better. But just 2 stances like you said works to!
If you're on the rail with the front truck in the air and the back truck sliding down parallel to the rail, it's a 5-0 and nothing about it is a nosegrind, I don't care how you got into the trick... with how widespread calling a 5-0 a nosegrind in the pro community, it's obvious that skate tricks need a more rigorous basis for classification
The way I picture it is bs and fs is decided by what side the tail spins relative to the central point of the skater. So in all stances except nollie you pop off the tail and nollie is off the nose. So if you do an fs180 in any stance the tail would go in front of you if you didn't spin with the board which results in nollie spin directions being different to the other three stances.
for grinds the easiest way to describe the trick is fakie ollie to swtich fs noseslide , its easier to visualize then switch nollie to *switch* fs noselide ,
Switch nollie is equally confusing because you're popping off of the same foot as a regular Ollie. It would be better to call nollie - switch fakie Ollie, but that's a mouthful and would require you to rename boardslide tricks because a fakie back lip switch analog would be switch fakie front board. Idk I think that's a whole other topic honestly because the rail tricks make no sense. IMO a fakie back lip should absolutely be a fakie to switch front board because of how your shoulders are pointed when you are sliding.
I always feel like there id a difference between fakie and "switch nollie". I can do eg a shove it both ways. If its fakie, my body, shoulders and toes point backwards, whereas when I do it "switch nollie" everything faces forward. Looks completely different to me, although the board does the dame thing ofc. But maybe it qould be too tedious to keep these two things apart.
I think it's pretty ok as it is now, it has an element of progression. Maybe some time most new skaters will develop both stances from the begining (some are this way right now) and then it will make more sence to get rid of it.
Two things about that Switch Nollie vs. Fakie topic: 1. I agree that the terminology is not logical. And to me it's not even about facing forward or backward mid turn. Cause that's not consistant anyways. E.g. if you do a FS boardslide you're also ass front even if it's called FS. I think what makes it so illogical is that it breaks symetry. A switch FS 180 is a mirrowed regular FS 180. But a fakie FS 180 is not a mirrowed nollie FS 180. So to me, it would be also fine if we would get rid of nollie and call it a switch fakie ollie. I know it's a bit too long for such a basic trick, but that brings me to my next point... 2. Nollie is not a stance. It's a trick. If you just say nollie, one assume there's a pop involved. This makes it hard to call mini ramp tricks without pop. When you say nollie disaster it's not clear if you just have to turn into it over your fron truck or if you have to do a propper popped nollie 180. Maybe there's a special name for the non-popped version, but I never heard anyone saying it. Bonus: The switch and fakie stuff gets even more confusing with other sports that are using the sk8 terminology but messing it up on their own. E.g. in Snowboarding you say cap 540 even if it's more switch than fakie. In Skiing riding backwards is called switch even if it feels more like fakie to me. And what's even worse is that a switch frontflip means you're riding backwards and flipping backwards. To me that would be a fakie frontflip or a switch backflip. Once such a messed up terminology gets widely adopted there's no turning back.
the real difference between sw and f is shoulder position. fakie is riding backwards in nollie you are riding forward. Actually, more terminology is needed.
bro....bro! i can ride nollie and fakie! i can do nollieflip krooked and fakie flip ss kroked and you know how i learned nollie flip k? doing fakie flip k! and you know how i learned ss k? dong fakie k! you just mimimi!
Couldn't disagree more about the fakie thing. I think it's really cool and preserves some great history of skating. Other sports/activities tend to have verbiage that reflects their history as well.
The next time someone makes one of these videos, I have no more to add. We'll just have to change the name and take the L hahaha (I think video games are the main culprit of these errors, devs aren't always skaters). Also you explaining to someone how to half cab, and having to explain how nollie is different because your stances are different and you have to go switch so they understand visually. I can see how that is a rabbit hole to avoid haha but beginners don't always have to know it all!
Fakie means backwards. Nollie is off the nose in your natural or dominant stance. Switch is anything you do in your non dominant stance. BUT if you wanna get really good at rdoing switch stance tricks just thing of them as fakie.
If the board does the rotation of a hardflip, and you do a 180 thats a frontside flip. Otherwise your calling a virial flip with a 180 a front side flip because of the direction your standing on the board... I love doing fakie hardflip but its a fakie bs flip if I spin with it... nah I am doing a hardflip and a 180 aka fs flip.
imagine either hip having two points rear and front … Forward (either stance) is the front point leading…. Fakie (either stance) is the rear point leading….. this in my opinion matters as the intent of switch and or normal stance in reverse aka fakie…. that subtle difference is the change in intent and the nature of the expression…. we have krook vs nose grind as one of many examples of the “same trick” with a Subtle difference… my fakie ollie looks like a nollie so technically it’s a switch nollie… but i don’t call it that. yet homies be like “was that a nollie?” i thought you skated Goofy stance ? … so yeah the subtly matters…
Fakie could be another one way of saying switch nollie. But fakie is as legitimate as nollie. But fakie and nollie only count if you do fakie and nollie tricks off the nose. And switch only counts if you pop using the tail
I think the distinction is in the direction your body or more specifically your hips are facing, or maybe it's more intrinsically about which direction your mind feels you're facing. It's weird but I feel totally comfortable doing a disaster on a ramp but a rock to fakie feels scary cos I feel like I'm going down backwards. It's basically all mental.
Switch Nollie sounds worse. I don’t mind the term Fakie, but there are some terms for tricks that are completely different than any of the other stances, just like you say. It’s kind of dumb that a Fakie BS Tailslide is where you are facing the ledge. It’s counterintuitive
Fakie makes sense when you think of learning trick progression. Gonna make just as much sense when a kid cant nollie, cant do anything switch but they can "switch nollie".
Dude, ive honestly tried to submit questions on your site but i dont think it works right on my phone. Heres my question.. When were you first exposed to the muska? Was it thps? For some reason his look drew me to him in the game. Who did you think had the coolest character model in the games and did that influence your choice of character?
Nope. Fakie is closer to switch than normal. I push switch to get to fakie on flatground. And Nollie is closer to normal stance than fakie. I push in normal stance to get to nollie......
@@infinatfadez But you don't have your foot on the kick of the board. You have your foot on the nose. In the case of fakie, it changes your stance to switch. In the case of nollie it switches your stance to regular. Fakie and switch are similar, as is nollie and switch. And nollie and fakie. They're all similar in some ways. Doesn't mean they're all one thing. They're 4 different stances. And no you can't face backwards while rolling, that doesn't exist. Let's just say the skateboard has no reverse gear. It's not a funny joke if you got 2 trolls doing the same thing. There's plenty of good info here, and there's no reason to dilute the thread just to be a troll. What do you wanna prove, that I'm stupid for biting? Lol... not that funny or clever. Even on a back lip you have to turn your head to look over the shoulder and use your peripheral. Show me one trick that is considered an ABD where the person doesn't look at the obstacle as he approaches it, during the trick, or to roll away. You know it's cockamamie theory.
@@haroldcampos9661 dude you are so bass aackwards its insane. If you're rolling fakie your popping foot is definitely on the tail🤣🤣you are trying to be right so bad that you're confusing yourself on actualities. Like what? There is no reverse gear??? You can literally roll backwards you goofball. That's what fakie is. That's why people can do tricks fakie and not switch or nollie. It's literally your regular stance just doing a 180.🤣🤣🤣
I think you're wrong about this one. Nollie is the confusing one and needs to go. Fakie makes sense. Because Nollie is specific to the Normal stance and is the one with the reversed frontside and backside. Fakie just means backward and could easily apply to both Normal and Switch. Fakie feels just like Normal, but backward, and Nollie feels just like Switch, so Nollie should just be Switch Fakie. Look at the frontside flip. it turns frontside. The Fakie frontside turns backside, but you call it Fakie frontside because it's just a backward frontside flip, that makes a ton of sense to me. I don't know how it is with ledges, but in terms of flatground, frontside and backside should not be tied to the spin direction universally (as nollie attempted to do and created confusion) and should only apply to the Regular and Switch stance, and then Fakie would reverse them, and rightfully so because Fakie is backward.
Been a fan for years, love the content. I've noticed recently that you've started zooming in on yourself doing these videos. Honestly to me it seems super random when you do it, and it's kinda distracting lol. Just a small nitpick :/
