Has The Naval Update DESTROYED Polytopia's Meta? 

Imho they should abandon the whole “all tribes should start with 5 stars” and just give strong tribes less stars and give lesser tribes more starting stars.

​@@MemePiano69No need to take stars from others. All can start with 5. BUT the weaker with 6.

@@_Seph_ you need equal amounts of nerfs and buffs

@@_Seph_ Yadakk needs this, the one star can mean such a difference now they can't buy a tier 1 tech to upgrade their eco when they find their first village which leads to a poor eco. Other tribes could use this too

Imperius and Kickoo are at the top of the pile at the moment and really might need to be nerfed. Cymanti, Elyrion (sorry, I could not be bothered to figure out how to do the special characters), Zebasi, and Barbur are defiantly strong but totally fair in my opinion. Aquarion needs a rework but we've been promised a rework from the devs. Plus, after the latest update, they're not that bad in my opinion. Also, I don't Oumaji has been hit that hard with the new naval update, and actually if anything they're a bit stronger. Also, Polaris is pretty well balanced. This leaves only Yadakk, Ai-mo, Quetzali, Vengir, Luxidoor, Hoodrick, and Xin-Xi as potentially needing to be rebalanced due to weakness against other tribes. As far as Vengir goes, they have always sucked outside of very specific circumstances so I don't think they need to be rebalanced at all. I kinda feel the same way about Ai-mo, although I actually like Ai-mo. One thing that I've thought about for Ai-mo to make them stronger would be to make the Alter of Peace worth more population or to do some unique special effect. This new Alter of Peace could be unique to Ai-mo, although this might go against the philosophy of the game. For Yadakk, I think it would be really cool to lower the cost of roads back down to 2 for them only. This would balance them quite well and make them viable against the higher tier tribes. LUXIDOOR NEEDS LEVEL 3 CAPITAL BACK!!! More stars would also be okay, I guess, but I'd love to see the return of classic Luxidoor. Some people have also talked about giving them a better resource spawn but my cave-man brain refuses to consider this a good solution. Quetzali, Hoodrick, and Xin-Xi are harder to sort out in my book. Giving them more starting stars is always an option but I like the uniform starting stars of every tribe. I've thought about giving only Xin-Xi even more vision from mountains but I don't know how much stronger this would make them. For Hoodrick and Hoodrick only, maybe the value of chopping could be raised back up to 2, but this might not completely offset lumber huts now being worth 3 stars. Conversely, maybe the cost of an archer for Hoodrick and only Hoodrick could lowered to 2. But this might make them too OP. I haven't thought of a good solution to the Hoodrick problem. As far as Quetzali goes, I think it would be extremely cool for them to start with a cloak instead of a defender. But then again, the whole point of Quetzali is that they start with defenders so IDK. Without giving more starting stars, Hoodrick, Quetzali, and Xin-Xi are extremely hard to balance without compromising on some part of the game. Thanks to anyone who actually read this whole thing. As you can tell I love this game and am quite passionate about it. I'd love to hear your ideas

This could work. This might be the needed solution. Conversely, roads could only cost 2 stars for Yadakk only.

It also makes sense logically. You have more control over what you build in places you own than places you don't.

@@billyhurley3945 maybe combine the 2 to keep Yadakk from getting to powerful. 3 star for everyone but only 2 star inside the borders of the Yadakk

This wouldn’t work, roads aren’t built outside your territory enough to impact this

​@@Andrew-kq3xchuh? They are.

Me close to beseiging a city: Random cloak near my level 8 city that my dumbass forgot to defend: Edit:The bots were easy but that mistake nearly fucked my city over lmao since I moved most of my army elsewhere

Sample size = 1

I agree

Imo it seems a bit too early for anything concrete beyond the obvious stuff. Still lots to feel out. A subjective early impressions tier list might be nice, though.

@@MrBlueberryCheesecake Yo, It's Nuggetmcchicken!

@@billyhurley3945 shhhh they can't know I'm here

Meta this, Meta that... have you ever meta woman?

Hahaha same experience, except they kept ramming all my rammers, and suddenly, its a losing battle, but lasted for 8 HOURS

100% agree

Yeah, as a Yadakk player, this update was the worst thing that can happen to us

Can you explain. I just started playing this week

@@macgyvervanschwartzenstall4662 Yes. The naval upgrade increased the price of log framing, from 2 to 3, and increased the cost of roads from 2 to 3. With Bardur, the best strategy was using riders and roads, but with the price of roads increased it becomes economically inviable; and your economy is stilted because of the increased cost of trees, which is bardur's main way to stimulate economic growth. So, overall bardur is still a fantastic tribe choice, Kickoo has a stronger upgrade path, with the naval update making boats much more viable, and imperius having an overall stronger economy. Would I still recommend bardur, absolutely. Are there better choices, maybe.

@@Frandon_ tell me shit the kickoo path

I mean there was some compensation but I feel like they wanted the tribe to be less centered around "spam tridentions to win"

​@@channelname7105they will be hot garbage on drylands until rework.

@@dubachatron4094 well still yes

tbh last update where cloaks were introduced was the same, the AI constantly spamming cloaks late game.

@@average_peanut_fan3059 Yeah, they swapped "cloak spam" with "x unit spam" instead

I still think it's stronger than before

@@deleteme924 idk, I personally think that they are just more aggressive in the early game than before, making them more of a threat in the early game and therefore more difficult. But the difficulty ends there as the ai seems to think that the more expensive a unit is, the better it is (which isn't always true)

@@average_peanut_fan3059 That's true that the difficulty is in the early game and once you get past that, it's not difficult

fr im so bothered about it😂😂

Because drylands map, obv...

I agree, the art style has changed a little bit between units added in different updates, although to be fair they've made some moves to remedy this (archers getting quivers). What was ruined about perfection though? I figured this update made it better, with parks giving you +1 star income and all.

The slower pace, more use of walled cities and shields, Polaris auto-freeze, etc. mean that scoreboards are about 30k lower and they’re clumped in the middle. Before the best players always rose to the top, now everyone’s clumped in the middle.

@@jackjmaheriii That's a shame. Hopefully they fix the AI (especially Imperius) so it doesn't spam shields. A higher skill ceiling is nice but perhaps maybe there's just a new meta that good players can eventually adapt to? (After they fix shield spam.)

Yes, Polaris honestly plays completely differently after the update.