Has tipping pushed you over the edge? 

Restaurant and hair dressers are paid minimum wage in Canada. And so are retail and other industries. Do we tip everyone????

@@shilarakesh bank tellers make a little more than minimum wage. When will we be expected to tip tellers too 🙄

@@freddytang2128 soon we will tip walmart cashiers

why would an employer pay their employees a decent wage when they know people are going to tip them an additional 20%.

@@tchevrier That's how eating out was affordable back in the day... Low prices of food left you with more money in your pocket to tip with. If every person tipped a $1 and you serve a 50 people in your shift. $50 plus $7.50 an hour for an 8 hours = $60. ($50+$60=$110). for a day of work. that is the same as employer paying $14 per hour. and you know what the employer has to do? CHARGE MORE FOR FOOD because of the higher operational costs of running the businesses.

More and more people in my orbit are saying the same thing. They are drawing a direct line to tipping as a reason for going out less. I think the restaurant industry in Canada is in for a rude awakening.

Its also due to the fact that the cost of life is calculated and included in the final price, hence servers can actually make a living wage in Japan and know what they are making instead of relying on the final tally from tips. Basically the tip is included in the final price. I would give a link but RU-vid would not let me. I would personally pay a little more for a product/service/meal if I knew that the same principle is applied and the workers do make a living wage.

@@dlj1285Every time my wife and I discuss going to a restaurant we remember the tip and just go to a food court. Sick of getting ripped off, first at the overpriced under-portioned meal then being asked to leave more money behind just for someone spending 30 seconds helping us get it. We just stopped going to restaurants entirely.

It’s also the fact that the meal is too expensive. McD, is now 20$ for a meal. Think about it.

@@TheSiriusEnigma Really. . . ? I mean, I know that McDonald's is not the bargain it was when they first came to Canada, but I've never paid $20 for a single meal at McDonald's. The main problem I have with McDonald's is a) it's almost 2024 and they don't recycle and b) the temperature of their meals has fallen steadily over the years. I've had it with getting cold fries and burgers. And yes, $13 is too much for a McDonald's meal.

Exactly

That's weird, I would have thought you'd be getting a nice card and tip at Christmas. I tip my water delivery guy, and the kids at the oil change place who are always so polite. These people don't ask.

Be the change you want to see in the world. If you think tipping needs to stop then just stop tipping.

Buddies daughter was working at the casinos before Covid, and making a damn good living doing so. She has been waiting tables at a restaurant for the past several years, and as a good looking young woman, she is making almost double what she was getting at the casino...and most of that is undeclared, tax-free money.

So many jobs are like that. They always force the guys to be the cook and let the girls be the cashier or the waitress. They would do the lighter cleaner job and get pay double of you. Made my life so much harder paying for my tuition. I guess this is balanced out when the guys get pay more in the office once they get out of university. But then they call the later discriminating while the first is okay

There’s nothing more profitable than having everybody in the world think you’re underpaid. Waiters have been milking that cow way too long.

You should have sued them or reported them to the EEOC. Discrimination is against the law.

Yes I am aware of these hidden discriminations. That's why I tip more men than women and I am totally cool with that discrimination I am making because I know I repair an injustice.

You do know how much you are going to pay: roughly 15% in taxes, 15% in tipping, so add 30% to the price on the menu.

Same here. Relying on the prices on the menu becomes meaningless. The poster below suggests simply adding 30% to the price. By the time you add in sides, drinks, desserts and such, having a meal becomes a math exercise. No, thanks.

@@juliecaron7569 What he means by that is that in some countries, the price tag includes taxes, so you can easily do the math during shopping.

over in just about everywhere else in the world, employers are expected to pay employees a fair wage. and customers are not being guilt trip to compensate employees for a wage their employers are not willing to pay.

Because they are well paid. The employer would be offended too.

Same as korea. Tipping is illegal. I miss Asia

People might call me a jerk or a cheapskate, but that is totally wrong. I don't believe in the tipping system so obviously I don't participate in it. And as long as people participate in it then nothing will change.

Money to burn! 🔥

That’s what I was taught growing up. When tax was %15 I was told the tax and the tip should be the same amount.

is it even legal? tipping shouldn't be taxed, charging tips for tax means that portion going to the restaurant's owner, not the government, that's a scam

If you use the interact machine and if you select 15% you’re tipping 15% after tax. Kaboom!!!!

@@astroboy1928 yes its legal.

When the machine calculates the percentage tip on the after tax amount, you are being intentionally cheated by that restaurant. They know it's wrong, but they count on you not noticing.

A server with that attitude would be lucky to get anything from me.

@@megleland6320 30 years ago, 10% was the norm.

i call bs

The goverment won't this is how they keep people working. The higher the wage the food industry will cut back. The servers where I work pay half of there tips to kitchen and support. This is how they keep staff.

​@@berrex5152No it's probably true, I've that happen to me tipping $10 on a $50 quick eat.. The server pulled out the receipt and gave me a look, not even a thank you. These servers today except massive tips all the time.

Well people wanted to raise the minimum wage, and we got higher prices because of it now everyone is more broke instead of having more disposable income to tip with.

Yeah, when you order at the counter and take the food to your table yourself, and then clean up after yourself, you shouldn't be expected to tip anything.

I was buying a burger at Dairy Queen last week and the tip option came up. I picked 0%. I'm not tipping at fast food. This is getting well out of hand.

@@mysterycheez no. It doesn't matter what you do. Even if there's someone cleaning a bunch of dishes and re-setting a table, and delivering the food, and cooking the food, and bringing beverages, that is all 100% their duty as part of their employment which they get paid to perform. The cooks get paid, the dishwashers get paid, the servers get paid. It would just increase the price of the food if it's someone sitting at a table getting their food prepared served compared to buying something ready-made to-go. The customer doesn't pay the wages. The customer pays the product/service price.

Welcome to Canada baby !!!

It’s downright deception to show one price on a menu then be expected to pay a different price when the bill comes.

No one is forcing you to tip😢

Tax should be included in all prices. Restaurant bill, grocery store items, clothes everything.

24 cans of Pepsi at Walmart is on sale for $10.49 plus hst in Ontario this week.😂 I noticed because Pepsi changed their logo to the throwback one. And it tasted damn good after it was in my fridge for a day.😂

Nah your just being cheap at that point get some water

Just dint do it. It isn’t law

Giving gifts is not something that makes sense to ban. It's unenforceable and also rather ridiculous. The problem is with customers and workers giving tips and promoting tips.

@@conanedogawa6306 It’s easy to say no. Also if they think the job does it pay enough then get another job.

Not that i play along, but even with 'Take Out', the payment machine forces you to opt out of tipping...you literally spent two minutes making my order and handing it to me, and I'm expected to tip for that?

Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂

Idc what ppl say I’m not tipping more than 10% if it’s terrible service it’s even lower. I don’t think it’s up to anyone to say what we do with our money

Withholding your goods was vengeance with a taste of blackmail.

Good to know this, as a sometime visitor to Vancouver. It's not like there isn't much choice for coffee shops on Denman Street.

Yup! Stop tipping what they think you should and tip how much you think you should!

Servers 💯 % make less than minimum wage in Ontario ,

​@laurameunier5290 no, they make minimum wage now. Servers and bartenders.

I interviewed recently for a job at a liquor store which was advertised as wage plus tips. I didn't take the job but have wondered ever since. When I worked at a garden centre I certainly didn't expect tips and gave way more advice!

Not only that, but it's just part of the job. They don't hire people that can't learn and remember suggested wine pairings. Not only that, but wine pairings are entirely subjective in the first place. It's elitist delusion. In most cases people should just be choosing wines they are interested in (which in itself for many people will probably also require help, but again that's something servers would be expected to learn basics as part of the job)

The only situation fit for a gratuity is someone doing something beyond the scope of their job. Great service deserves ZERO tip. Otherwise-bad service where someone gives your wallet that you lost/forgot or saves your cat from a coyote deserves a big tip. It's not about how good a person does their job. It's about what they do outside of job expectations or even common courtesy.

Agreed. To tip before you've received anything and have no idea of the quality of your purchase is unreasonable. Tipping for poor quality goods or services defeats the supposed purpose of the practice.

It's all the same. People are thinking about this erroneously. There is human effort being put in whether it's delivered or not. Someone still made it. Tipping is _never_ something that should be an option unless they do something outside of the scope of work like save your cat or wallet or something. Employees are employees. If they are getting a wage from someone else they should not be getting gratuities. If you want to pay the self-employed man who shovels the sidewalk extra that can make more sense, but even then there shouldn't be any feeling of obligation when there was an agreed upon price.

Just put in 10% like I do to send a message.

@@Neeper78 Agreed. That's the most effective response.

Yes and no, in many establishments the company is taking a chunk of the cash tips swell. Although there are laws against this in at least 6 Provinces, the enforcement of those laws is a bad joke. CBC Montreal and Ottawa did stories on this dimension of 'tip culture' in the last few months. Somehow this report failed to build on those recent stories and missed out on the issue of employer tip theft completely despite the fact it was produced by CBC Ottawa!

no. ban tips. if you're happy with a service, then leave a 5 star review so more customers come.

That's supposed to be true in theory, in reality, a tip is not only expected now but an entitlement, regardless of how service was, we really need to do away with tipping culture.

Nope…Experience should make us happy because we pay for it… If it make us really happy, we would go there again and again… Saying, tip if you are happy with the experience means you are not happy if you don’t tip…

Well said.

I feel the same way!

Well, that's the problem. When you tip some people just for doing what they were employed to do, other people are going to want in. Tipping should be abolished. That's not something that can really be done in law, it has to be done in society.

I had this yesterday. Though we did leave cash on the table as the service was really good.

Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There's truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.

Yeah f that!

Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There is truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.

funny how some feel guilty or embarrassed by tipping accordingly to the service provided to them. Employers should pay their employees a fair wage.

@@user-yg1dg6xm2g It should not even be a percentage of the meal price in the first place. It doesn't take any more work by the server or dish cleaner (but maybe the cook?) to bring a pitcher of water and cheap rice/pasta/etc. Dish than it does to bring a bottle of whiskey and wagyu with truffle. Yet despite this people are supposed to arbitrarily gift their server 10 times more money just because they had the luck of serving a customer truffle wagyu rather than fried rice and water? It makes no sense. Especially if that server spent only 1/2 the time at the table compared to the other situation. While tipping at all is an illogical and problematic thing to do, _at the least_ if someone is to do it they should be tipping a static amount based on the time and effort of work that the worker spent specifically on the table, _not_ the cost of the food and drink. If their great hospitality and service seems warranted to be paid 20$ an hour extra and they spent 15 minutes at your table across 2 hours then that means they should be getting $2.50 tip regardless of 100 $ meal or 5 $ meal. If your meal only cost 5 $, it's not tipping 50%, it's just tipping the fair amount of $2.50. If the meal was 100 $ it's not tipping 5%, it's just tipping the fair amount of $2.50.

A waitress told my mom the owner keeps the tips to pay the business tax.

If the restaurant manager took the time to scream at you, it is probably because they pocket the tips that should be going to the servers and other hourly staff.

Which restaurant is this?

@@Bunny11344 it closed down years ago, and did not stay open for long, maybe less than 2 years and I do not remember the name at all unfortunately. Only been there that one time. The food was very good though.

It's getting pretty bad. Why would anyone tip at Subway or Dairy Queen? Their credit card readers prompt for a tip. I always select NO TIP.

It was an easy decision for me! I totally stopped going to restaurants and, as a consequence, became a better cook at home!

Could you put that in the review restaurant review? Is it a high end restaurant? This is so off putting

Rent, groceries, gas has put everyone in the situation. Cost of living and wages increase has now allowed goverment program to reduce. Look at rental subsidies, very few actually qualify for those.

Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There's truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.

And worse than that, the owner of the establishment keeps the gratuity rather than giving it to the wait staff.

It will bring the cost down of the food or the service, so that was the idea for the tip. But now minimum wage is up tp $16 an hour, so prices are high, so people are complaining about having to leave a tip when the price of burger and fries is $25 for one person.

Raising wages will in no way stop the tip entitlement culture, you will just be expected to tip more, its the entitlement and spread to every industry that makes tipping unsustainable in Canada

I always always have cash for tips for just this reason. I worked at a hotel where we had ZERO card tips. I have just started at a place which has told me I will be paid cash tips once a week, but I am wondering about the card tips. They would have to add the card tips as 'tip income' as other places I have worked did, but if all we are getting is the cash then that is not right. And they surely can't convert card tips to cash and not record it as income? Time will tell, but I bet a great many owners make a lot off the card tips.

Agree about the percentage thing. This pressure to tip 20% and above is completely unwarranted.

You can still hang out with friends and acquaintances. You just can’t do it in a restaurant or a coffee shop, you’ll have to go to a park or some such.

Popping up in the USA. Even at self-serve gas stations. This story actually didn't cover half of this issue.@@megleland6320

Dunno if I could do it in person, but I'd love to challenge what law was broken they think cops could help enforce by not tipping...

Haha. That’s f’n insane.

The only regulation that should exist is an option of no tip, and I'm confident that is already law. Anything else is just something that makes sense to complain about to the manager and/or avoid going to the place in the future. My guess is that the machines are also more to blame than the franchise or owner. They probably get a percentage of all payments and/or a percentage of tips when payments are made with their system, so they have self-motivation to sell devices that push tips. It's scummy as hell sure, but it should be totally legal. People need to stop being babies and stand up for themselves. In this case it means employers need to not put up with that nonsense if they don't like it, customers need to notify the establishment if _they_ don't like it, and all customers everywhere should stop tipping entirely- it's unfair and problematic; nobody should be doing it.

Yes, I always have tip cash on me- I've worked in hospitality where we didn't receive ANY card paid tips, and you can't tell me people didn't leave them.

I agree!

I'm afraid they'll spit in my food.

@@melanieg6957 you could definitely file charges over that. There should be not tolerance for greedy petulance.

The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 10% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 2003, in proportion to the cost of the meal.

It’s f’d up man. Tip before you even get served. lol. I refuse to use delivery services because of that.

It won't reduce tipping. Outrageously high tips will still expected.

Minimum wage is not enough with costs so high. Most I the industry get under 30 hours. Full time is not an option. Plus fulltime still does not allow someone to survive.

Restaurants would need to pay waitresses, my best guess..., $30 per hour? if no tipping. Also, lot of restaurants share tip amongst all employees, not just waitresses. which mean, they will need in increase wages for everyone.

This was removed in 2022, servers are now paid the same minimum wage as everyone else. Now dont get me wrong, minimum wage should cover cost of living, but thats a whole different problem.

I refused to tip long ago, I have my own kids to feed

Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂

Hey, don't stiff the computers. They're watching.

I know.i bought I battery for my solar system from Li-Time online and they also asked for tips

Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂

The pay for cooks is abominable, it just does not make any sense.

TIPS actually stands for ( to insure proper service ) a lot of people don’t know this

Teps?

This is not what tips stands for. That's a myth.

@@burex5905 Have you ever worked for TIPS ?

@@voxer99 speech to text and did not proofread before I hit send. It has been clarified in another post, however. Tips are not just because we’re entitled to give extra money… There’s a reason for it. However, I’m not complaining about tipping… It’s just gotten out of control and it’s the principle at this point.

The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 10% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 1973, in proportion to the cost of the meal.

Have you seen grocery and alcohol prices lately in Ontario?😂

@sam19509 Still cheaper to cook at home by far! Even with the inflation. Yes. Have you checked?

@@Sam19509still cheaper than going out people need to go back to the basics

Why stop at 100% …. Even higher.

Some people from Asian countries like japan might not like it idk

Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂

"only 15%" lol

Should have gave her 5% to cover her kitchen tip out. 😂

The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 15% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 2003, in proportion to the cost of the meal.

You tipped more than 15% if you chose the preset amount since that is based on the after-tax total... it annoys me that with computers doing the math, they all get this wrong...

You don’t have to tip. You are not legally obliged to

Wait until a lot of American tourists come and things would change. Look at Europe, there wasn't a tipping culture until the Americans overwhelm the place. Away from the tourist area, tipping disappears.