@@Kakashifan727 fax like i just watched the first episode of tlou, instead of velma and im so fucking excited for e2. never gonna even fucking open velma on hbo max
@@Kakashifan727 It's something you do with friends while drinking. The point isn't to enjoy hating the show, but enjoy hating the show with your fiends and making fun of it. Either that or sharing your thoughts on social media for the attention.
@@Kakashifan727 A simple explanation: Person 1: This show is sh*t Person 2: You can't complain about it if you haven't watched i Person 1: *starts watching* Person 1: This show is sh*t Person 2: You haven't given it a fair chance, watch it until the end. Person 1: *finishes show* Person 1: This show is sh*t Person 2: Person 2: wElL iF yOu DoN't LiKe It ThAn YoU sHoUlDn'T hAvE wAtChEd It Person 1: Person 1: what the fu-
It’s short term Vs. long term. You make a hated show it’ll be remembered by many for a month. You make a loved show and it’ll be remembered by many for generations.
The worst art of all of this for me, is that RIGHT before this show Velma (the real Velma) was suddenly getting so much love on the Internet. So many random clips of her went viral, people began to say she was the hottest one in teh group, etc etc... she suddenly became beloved out of nowhere. It's like God said our opinion was wrong and sent this show to ruin Velma forever for everyone LMAO
Right it used to be cool to love Velma, she was the cute nerdy girl. But now it's going to be cringe associated with this show for a while. They ruined my fave character ☹️
@@shayrogers7560 i think as long as you make a distinction between *which* velma you love, no one is going to disagree with you. this show was pretty much universally hated, mostly for how horrifically it handled these beloved characters. everyone still likes normal velma and i wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this causes a big resurgence of love for her and the IP itself.
to me i consider velma and "velma" to be 2 separate characters, one is a lovable girl who has a talking dog and the other is a horrible person who hates the concept of a human being good and hates everyone
I wonder if that was a sort of hidden campaign so people would become more aware of her and would then way more to see ""Velma"". Seen similar stuff happen in memes, when the steamdeck was announced suddenly every meme was a comparison between the switch and the steamdeck
I wonder if we did a deep dive on the people behind this and who incited them to make this... because it sounds all to coincidental that just as this old character gets love, that some kind of racial wedge gets driven in. Because they sure played the racial wedge with this one. There's a million other new stories that could be told, stories that would help everyone bond, right... but they picked up this rising peak to turn into rage baiting. I don't believe in coincidences and i'm betting that if we'd study the people behind this, we'd find some really fucked up "coincidences" with them too.
Remember everyone: Hate watching still gives them views, if you're going to hate watch, then pirate it or watch a reaction or smth, don't give them the views.
Satan: “My child will hate watch Velma and unintentionally support it.” (Moist) Jesus: “my child will pirate Velma, hate-watching it while not supporting the original.”
This is why you shouldn't hate watch bad movies or shows. Because it'll end up making the studios money anyway, and let them know that they can get away with pumping out raw sewage like Velma, and that they can continue to ruin these properties that we love.
The fact that Kaling openly admitted on a talk show to kissing a man on a movie set without his consent and then threatening to fire staff if they said anything, and is still in Hollywood is astounding.
The more than likely thing happening here is what happens with a lot of animated shows on streaming services: splitting one production season in two and calling them different seasons. The news about Velma's "Season 2" starting production is likely just the second half of Season 1 getting started on, but calling it Season 2 drives social media more.
@PenguiinzObro did you really make an account based off of Charlie’s real RU-vid account name? Man you need to go outside right now and touch grass. Before you decide to eat someone or something weird like that 😂
This is why you should pirate things you hate, even if you have easy legal access to it. They can't see that you're viewing it if you aren't using _their_ service.
That isn't true, they can see how many times it's been downloaded they just don't get the money and therefore don't see the monetary value in producing more of that product. Unless there is a way for them to shut down those other avenues which good luck doing anything more than playing wack a mole
It’s going to be hilarious when they realize even the audience’s pleasure of hate-watching it will not last nearly long enough to make it to season 2. What a brainless financial risk.
I think it’s more of the fact they got this many people talking about it, and people probably go on HBO to hate watch it. It’s a win-win for HBO by putting a small amount of money in this
If moba players can play a game they loathe for years then it's not so unthinkable for people to watch a show they hate for years. There's a lot of people that just honestly hate themselves
Sometimes it also can straight up be that the first season has a set amount of seasons but they just lie and say the second half is Season 2. They did it with a lot of CN shows that weren't plot heavy.
It’s the type of show that could potentially inspire others to make art all for terrible reasons. “I shouldn’t make art because I love the craft or want to actually contribute something amazing and creative. I should make art purely out of spite! Because hate makes it much easier for me to be seen in the world!” Hooray for soulless creation.
I heard a theory that it wasn’t actually a “full season” that was greenlit, but a set number of episodes. By splitting those episodes into “two seasons,” they don’t have to wait as long to air the show and can create the illusion of success.
For the sake of the masses… I hope that you’re right about that. By the way, a scammer tried to leave a scam comment on this thread, you might want to take care of that.
Season 1 is only 10 episodes so yeah. Usually when a network commission cartoons, they do it in batches of 26, sometimes splitting it into 13 episode half-seasons. I'm guessing they already had the first 10 ready and were going to announce the next 10 anyways, regardless of how disliked the show would be.
I see a lot of people “watching Velma so you don’t have too” when enough people take it upon themselves to do that, hate watching literally becomes it’s own genre of movies. So well done for giving them the money they don’t deserve
I don't think hate watching can sustain the show. A lot of people are watching it RN because of curiosity (is it really as bad as everyone says it is? or just hate watching to bash on it, etc) because everyone is talking about it, but I doubt the interest will keep up for the rest of the season.
If big streamers hate watch but clearly direct people away I believe that's far better then saying it's mid and moving on. At least people can unify away from HBO and other crappy studios and pirate if they really want to watch it
Think about it this way: if RU-vidr A hate-watches something "so you don't have to", that's 100 people that AREN'T going to watch it, even hate-watch it, because watching their favorite RU-vidr react to it will wring any enjoyment that the series would have had for them.
The mental image of Charlie being the literal only person to keep watching Velma is hilarious. I picture him strapped down like in A Clockwork Orange, his eyes forcibly opened, forced to watch it. It is both horrifying for Charlie but humorous at the same time.
I'd rather watch Charlie watching Velma than Velma. You don't even need to capture the TV or audio, just have the camera behind whatever Charlie is watching it on and record his reactions.
Just as Jesus suffered on the cross to absolve sin for all of humanity, so must Moist Critikal take on the tortured role of the Only Hate Watcher (peace be upon him)
In high school, I had an English teacher who taught a creative writing course as an elective. Took the class because I really looked up to him and was interested in writing at the time. He taught me a valuable lesson: You want the people reading to either love or hate your story and characters, but no in-between. You never want them to feel indifferent, because it means that it wasn't interesting at all. Now usually a writer isn't going to try to intentionally make their audience hate their writing ... But well, when it happens it ends up being very effective for a reason. Writing a story with the intention of making people hate it or hate watching/reading something isn't exactly a new fad. It's been around for a while. But if the suits think they can make more money off of shitty shows and that it's easier to produce them (so more profitable by comparison since they have to put in less work), then you can bet your sweet behind that you'll see more and more dog shit like Velma being released soon. That being said, even if Velma was one of the most watched shows on HBO, I doubt a lot of people paid for the subscription just to view that show specifically. It would make more sense if the people who already owned a subscription were the ones who watched it. People might buy things they hate just out of simple curiosity. But when you have two different shows competing for your wallet, assuming it's between a show you love and a show you hate you'll probably be more willing to pay for the former. So I can't really see this kind of thing sticking around in the long-term.
What an insightful and well thought out comment - you don't belong here, this is the yt comment section. You are (or easily could be) actually worth something in this society, now shoo.
Yeah, this. The model has a lot more viability on live TV, where advertising is making the money. In a subscription service? I agree that it's likely going to get about zero new actual subscribers, and consequentially be a financial loss, no matter how popular.
I think the fact so many content creators hate watch is what began this spree of hate-watching among the masses, to be honest. The amount of hate-watching that is happening these days is a pretty recent phenomenon, and the lack of genuinely good movies and shows these days is making it a more viable option.
@@angus1513 Yep. And in the end, there is a dood aggregating data from sources all over the internet, with the numbers telling investors that the show drives an insane amount of engagement. I don't think the hate watchers are the important bit, it's us consuming content that got created out of hate watching and investors simply going with the numbers, not with ethics, morals or good taste.
This same thing happened with Seth Rogan's Santa Inc. All the streamers watched it and hate posted about it. Amidst the attention a season 2 was announced but it's been over a year and still no signs of a season 2 ever being made.
I think the thing with shows thriving off of hate is that eventually the hate gets old and they fade into irrelevancy, they simply don’t have the same bond that shows people like do
Ignoring it and never even talking about it is much better option but people are incapable so here we are. I literally would have never heard of it if people weren't going on about how much they hate it for the last 2 days. I almost watched it. it's literally the fault of videos and comments like this.
I actually love the idea of only content creators watching these shows to make content. If this became mainstream it would mean serious damage to the bottom line of these shows and we all still get to make fun of it as a community, without even having to endure the pain of these terrible shows. I think Charlie’s really onto something here.
That would be awesome all things considered, it would definitely make WB make some serious changes to their plans, maybe have more positive watching instead, heck the freaking Harley Quinn Adult Swim series got as much talk as it did cause the show slaps and has countless memeable moments that everyone can't stop talking about, so if WB can do that with one show they can do it with another, either it means "fixing" Velma as a show to make it "watchable" or just making a new series, like I would kill for a Adult Swim Lobo show, cause that character could be the next best thing to Deadpool if WB handles him right.
@@TheKewlPerson Same Tbh, my adhd brain won’t even let me watch something that’s not entertaining, I lose focus too easily lol. I just didn’t realize hate watching was common enough that moneys still able to be made off it.
When you're explaining why you love watching terrible things and experiencing terrible media, all I could imagine was a transparent dollar sign growing larger in the background
Yall gotta remember. THE MONEY IS NOT MADE FROM THE PRODUCT THAT IS PUT OUT! ...the money is made from the views, and the clicks, and the comments... make up some brain dead shit for people to talk about, spread it like fire, and get paid for it. ITS THAT SIMPLE
Hate Watching to me would be like if boycotting a product was to buy something then just break it in front of the person instead of not buy the product altogether. The latter sends the message more.
I'm just worried because they are prob not going to try another adult Scooby Doo series because of this i just want a series like Mystery inc. but 13+ or 18+ plz just PLZ!
Charlie is a true hero. I recently broke out in hives and have been wondering what could have caused this predicament. Thinking back, I only started to have this reaction after watching the first episode of Velma. Its as if my my body could not accept the absolute atrocity that is Velma, starting a severe allergic reaction after having witnessed the pits of hell when it comes to bad writing. Props to Charlie for doing us all a favor and saving us from the pain and suffering ahead
The fact that Velma is greenlit for season 2 when Inside Job season 2 just got cancelled really speaks to the power of publicity (good or very bad in this case)… Thank you Charlie for hate watching so I don’t have to o7 I will continue to try to support my favorite shows like Inside Job in the hopes that they get renewed 😭
Agreed Penguinz0. Last year Netflix lost subscribers and everyone call all the shows bad expect Wednesday and Squid Game and Cup head show. HBO is ruining all of our favorite old style childhood cartoons. How they dare ruining Velma's And Shaggy's White skin colour to Black. These two are my childhood characters from Scooby Doo franchise. I saw on some Websites called fandom who making fan art out of cartoon or anime character to dressing inappropriate just like Gacha heat. ALL of Favorite old school cartoons are All cancelled and the internet can't tell me why. Ok I will tell the reason why it's because of Directors and Creator Leaving the TV station or getting fired. The government banned all of good stuff for cartoons Cuz they found jokes from WW2, 9/11, Iran Iraq War,Soviet Afghanistan war and other funny jokes in other cartoons and even Family guy.
You soon realise how much of a burden carrying Velma season 2 is when you realise that Frodo actually needed a whole fellowship, and his Gardner to help him finish the job, saving his life over a dozen times and literally walking the entire way with him without leaving his side, and even allowing frodo to take the credit as the main hero of the whole journey. My hat is truly off to Charlie on this one.
I’m in the animation industry and it’s pretty common nowadays for shows to be ordered two seasons at a time with the second season just not announced/released until the first comes out. So perhaps it isn’t that Velma’s so popular it’s getting a season 2. But more it wasn’t bad enough for the season 2 already being made to be cancelled.
@@davidhong1934 commitment no matter how stupid the product will be. It happened with sequel Star Wars and the toys they made, to this day you can run into one of those toys in your local target I believe.
@@davidhong1934 I'm assuming because they think anything will hit it BIG, so after the second season runs dry and the big big numbers don't come in, cancelled, same fate for each subsequent season.
It works the first few weeks as there's interest in the social media discussion around it, but it gets old quickly and people move on, and the clicks on the stories/videos stop. The hate watching only lives while the discussion does, and I just don't see it as sustainable.
I don't think it's right for Charlie to be like; "No YOU CAN'T HATE WATCHING because then they'll win. Only I can hate watch it for you" He should also be watching it through pirated sources so they don't get that satisfaction
But he does it not just to watch it becuase he knew it was going to be bad, but for youtube to review and talk about it for his job, most people just want to watch it to watch it, if only a few youtbers and a few others watch it it will still hurt them
I'm pretty sure famous RU-vidrs have to watch this stuff legally if they plan on making money off of their videos or else suffer severe repercussions from the rights holders and/or RU-vid itself. Pirating may be a legal gray area for personal/non-commercial consumption, especially for old stuff that is never being legally re-released (shut up, Nintendo!), but RU-vidrs normalizing piracy in their monetized videos potentially watched by millions is just asking for a lawsuit.
As someone who works on films and animation, I can tell you right now that usually 2 seasons are ordered when any animated show is made Usually the next season is around 1/4 of the way done by the time the first season comes out That's why so many shows are "renewed for season 2" whether they were good or bad: they were already being worked on
Weird that’s almost the exact opposite of what I would’ve thought. A show being cancelled on season two feels strange to me. I thought I had noticed a ton of shows being cancelled on either season one or season three with two being the outlier
In the original one where you mentioned "I'm glad they took Scooby behind the barn and put him down, he didn't deserve this." well looks like he's coming back with a bloody revenge to kill everything they see. Golly this is gonna be great.
in 2050 historians will remember 2023 as the year we narrowly avoided nuclear war as Germany is considering sending tanks to Ukraine, we got Velma season 2 and everyone just found someone else to hate... together. Mindy Whatsherface.
you're still really invested in something not cause u like it but because it's interesting or intrigues you. whether it's directly or not I'd still say that's contributing to it's overall popularity
This is the oldest trick in the book of streaming media. Producers greenlight a batch of 30-40 episodes and then split them into two seasons but withhold the information of the second to the public part till the series airs so they can brag about how successful the show is. That's why it seems like no matter how bad a show is they always have at least two seasons.
but why? this doesn't answer anything. if nobody watches it then they burned capital on making more episodes. it's a private business and their job is to make profits, not to pretend bad shows are popular. it's not a government agency that can burn funds on pumping out propaganda.
@JewTube001 investors form a 1 season contract and rather than make another contract, they duplicate the amount ordered in order to save money and time making contract since it is the same amount of money offered at the beginning
“Is it truly so popular from hate watching that they can justify another season for rage baiting” is one of the most interesting quotes I’ve heard in a long time
It's taking the exact slice that "news" media does. Rage gets clicks, it gets views, it gets shared, and they profit... At the demise if society. Unfortunately that has people fighting each other over divisive topics who would most likely hang out and have a beer, or cook on the grill.
The way I look at hate watching, is that it’s the same as giving trolls attention. Them getting a interaction out of you is exactly what they wanted and just encourages them to do the exact same thing they’ve been doing. The more you give them attention, the more it shows they can get results from you: the target.
I've been letting Charlie cover my awful shows for a long time now, and I didn't stop at Velma. This world needs to wake up and let Charlie do this for us.
Don't for a second think they don't keep tabs on how downloaded shit is. Just don't watch stuff that you hate, there is so much good media around, espand there instead
The most fun part of watching Charlie's videos is painting a picture in your head of all the witty and sometimes silly metaphors he throws at you, hilarious
"Oh, I hated the concept, let me give it more views to a corporation, an entity that only cares about viewership" How people are surprised by this is beyond me.
If a show manages to attract viewers, then it is a successful show - even if the viewers are just "hate watching". It is much worse if a show is bad in the sense that nobody cares for it, and everyone then completely forgets about it.
Man, so true, I heard this show was terrible and yet several of my friends literally watched it because they heard all the drama around it being so bad. It doesn’t matter if its crap, if people keep eating it, they’ll keep making it!
Well the thing with streaming shows is people watching it is completely irrelevant. New people paying the subscription to watch it is the problem. If ANYONE in their right mind who didn’t already have a subscription got one to watch this abomination id question their sanity if they’re just hate watching.
@@herdoman5169 If you don't like it, don't watch it. It's that simple. But that doesn't mean you can keep others from watching it, you're not their mother.
Because most people actually don't know how to review something. They review stuff based on "Did I kinda like it or nah", there's no knowledge about anything, acting is irrelevant, writing, story, lighting, cgi, theme, continuity, ... That's why superhero movies have ridiculous ratings, they're not good movies but because of bias and "hehe I enjoyed it", they're getting 9/10+ absolutely ludicrous, how can a superhero movies even compete with something like "The Shawshank Redemption".
@@taserrr That's why Charlie's genuine thoughts on Moistmeter actually make sense because he puts time and effort into his thoughts on whatever movie or show he's talking about, and like you said it's not just going off "hehe me like it 10/10"
@@Webb_Studios your responding to a bot. the only thing worse than a comments section full of bots, is a comments section full of people talking to bots. please stop.
its the same things as "even journalists are telling the truth" It means a lot, because journalists, and critics, can easily be successful lying. Sometimes, these groups of people arent willing to lie, and that's powerful.
Velma should have been a meta slasher whodunnit horror series like Scream with the correct meta humor like satirizing the clichés of mystery thrillers.
I've been saying the same thing about the gaming industry for years. We are constantly rewarding bad behaviour which is why game quality has tanked and monetization has exploded in general. Diablo immortal comes out and everyone is like "Ugh this is disgraceful" 3 weeks later "Ooooo I can't wait for Diablo 4!". We are telling them that they can get away with it. We are gonna see a lot more of these types of movies and games with no regard for the consumer until we stop spending or watching.
I think we’re way too trusting of video game companies, even after they do something bad we still support them and allow them to continue doing the same stuff
This is why I just play the super Nintendo games my father bought me in 96. I'm a paranoid motherfucker when it comes to this scammy/buggy shit. Also I still miss my original Xbox games but my stepmother's neice sold them for drugs.
“Don’t watch Velma let me because I like watching bad things” The millions of moistcritikal fans who idolise him and copy his personality: “oh shit me too” *Velma season 3 announced*
The scariest part is that this could be the start of a new trend of bastardizing IPs we all know and love simply because studios know they’ll make rage money off us…strange times we live in
Start? No, this is but the peak of the trend you fear. Hollywood has been doing it for years, with everything from The Witcher to Halo to Star Wars to far too many to count. My fear is the peak will last so long it becomes the new norm, and shows like Velma will be competing to be the most unbearable piece of "entertainment" possible. It started with not caring about quality control, then dropped to actively (and openly) hating the IPs they work on and their fans. Now it has seemingly taken on the trend's final form with Velma, which is to actively hate all of humanity and do everything in their power to inflict as much pain and suffering on us as humanly possible.
@@peaceandloveusa6656 nah, it started with fans asking for IPs to return, only to hate on or ignore the very IPs that they want to return. Velma doesn't get made without 15 Scooby Doo reboots failing and the fans still asking for more when they couldn't support the 15 reboots they wanted.
@@majinnando6711 I've watched 15 Scooby Doo reboots and loved them all. I don't know anyone who was a fan of the original that didn't like at least the first 15 years of reboots/sequels/movies, so I am not sure where "hate or ignore" comes from, because Scooby Doo content has always been fire before this dumpster fire took "fire" literally and set fire to the franchise. EDIT: Now that I am thinking about it, reviews I have seen even say things like "How could you screw up something so easy to get right?" about Scooby Doo because it has *always* been successful in whatever form it takes. The live action movies even had what, 3, 4? because they were doing well despite being considered "the worst" of the franchise pre-Velma.
@@peaceandloveusa6656 well hey, that's dope, from what I've seen though Scrappy Doo, What's New Scooby Doo, and a bunch of other reboots, spinoffs, etc. were booted from network for lack of viewers, or people not even knowing they existed, and then those same people asking for a new Scooby Doo when they didn't support or watch any of the content that came out the last 35 years chocked full of Scooby and the gang in their original form. My point basically is I'm seeing a lot of people who watch this and then ask why Scooby Doo isn't being made, when it has been, they just didn't care enough to support until they changed something about it to attract new viewers. Also, let's not lie, Velma compared to Scrappy Doo makes Velma look like a piece of art, I refuse to think anyone who actually watched Scrappy Doo puts it over Velma as a better show when that entire show was a dumpster fire.
@@majinnando6711 I cannot take seriously anyone who says Velma is better than literally anything, much less any other Scooby Doo IP out there. While I personally prefer when the gang is together over Scrappy Doo, but my dad (60) loves Scrappy Doo and still watches it to this day. I cannot see a single person actually watching Velma years after it airs. Also, you do not seem to understand how Scooby Doo operates if you think it keeps getting "cancelled." It was a seasonal show from the start, meaning each new season was it's own self-contained show with it's own name. It was only in the modern day that each individual show started having a few year runs for more modern, lengthy arcs. As far as I can tell, the show has never been dropped due to ratings. They just finish the arc they wanted to tell then start on the next one.
