I'm tired of "Disney Dialogue" - which is the ostensibly witty, fast-paced, endlessly irreverent dialogue in which every other statement is a sarcastic one-liner or snarky underhanded insult. Gets old.
When they integrated it into Star Wars 7, 8, 9 I wanted to kill myself. It just wasn't the type of 'humor' Star Wars was known for or done. Usually it was kept to just C3PO or Han Solo being Han Solo but nothing over the top. I hate how its infected movies and tv show mediums it doesn't belong in. Not everyone wants that crap.
@@Continuum7 As much as Sequel fans hate to admit it, there's a reason new Star Wars content locked that era away in a vault and went backwards in time for more content. You cannot make a real story out of that ass-backwards trilogy.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Yeah it was shocking just how much potential was wasted ... Star Wars coming back and we had a whole trilogy that was so disconnected and it shouldn't have been. All they had to do was continue the Original Trilogy vibes and couldn't even respect the OG characters.
Similar to Venom when the villainy rich CEO guy said the world is ending or in chaos or whatever but I was like “where? Everything seems fine?” When you keep telling the audience that the world is ending in these movies people just stop caring because they already predicted that the hero will win anyways
Only Batman (if you want serious storytelling disguise as a super hero) and Deadpool (comedy and satire in superhero genre) movies are the type of superhero content I craved from now on also The Boys, Invincible and One Punch Man Marvel peak at Endgame like it's an End of an Era while after that it's the Woke era
@@snuggin man of steel had cool dbz esque CGI fights but batman v superman and justice league were nothing special, and its hard not to lump man of steel with those DCEU movies
Batman vs Superman was a lot better than all marvel films. Atleast BatFleck uses Brute force on destroying his enemies and makes them BLEED, while Marvel has most enemies flying around landing in perfect condition without one single broken bone or blood lmao. Child ass Marvel movies
"not every character needs to be tony stark" you definitely hit the nail on the head with that tony was interesting and funny because he created a contrast from everyone else who was serious and it sucks they just started adding his traits to everyone
I had never watched MCU aside from Ant man and Age of Ultron when they released, those two left a bad taste in my mouth before I sat down and actually watched everything through endgame. I hated how comedic marvel movies were, but didnt understand at the time they were literally just taking the most popular character (Tony) and applying his mannerisms and comedic value to everything. Biggest offender is Thor. You can actually see how they changed his character from Serious Funny to Tony Funny. Edit: I should add I did enjoy the MCU ride. I watched it with friends who had not rewatched them all so it was a great experience for us all. But you can totally see where the movies transition into that comedic Tony style.
Also Tony's joke is more about showing that he's a insufferable asshole and not a cool fun guy, and Marvel think that it's good and thus making every single marvel characters into a insufferable asshole without any other good personality as contrary
I still remember those days during A. infinity where I argued about how circus like Marvel has become (compared to Blade, the first Xmen trilogy, and the first Spiderman trilogy) which alot of people got super offended by it and defend those jokes. I'm glad the world understands now.
and before anyone mentions these as counter points, let me stop you there and say The Batman and Joker do this as well. They just copy 70s crime movies beat for beat instead of other superhero movies
No because superheroes are just low hanging fruits with no originality. With comedy it has twists and turns. I mean you can tell what a superhero movie is gonna be a about "Some guy in spandex, gets power to stop a supervillain".And then you get lame 90% special effects for the easy going consumers
"Not every character needs to be Tony Stark" I didn't realize till you said this that the MCU playbook is just taking Tony Stark's character trait of always having some smart ass thing to say and just repeating for every character in every movie until the gag is beyond worn out
When you think of it, by the time the Endgame was over, every member of original 6 Avengers has turned into Tony Stark (except for Steve Rogers who was always kept as a serious, stoic character). And by the time Phase 4 kicked off, virtually every single character in the entire franchise has become a Tony Stark clone for some reason.
And why did everyone actually like Chadwick’s performance as Black Panther? Every other hero in that movie quipped- but T’challa never quips. He’s the one guy who doesn’t crack Stark jokes.
that’s exaggerating though. the things Thor says are way dumber than what Tony would say. Bruce is consistently awkward. Black Widow, Hawkeye and sometimes Quill are worse offenders
Step 1 : Everything is going normally. Step 2 : Bad guy attacks. Step 3 : Heroes defend against the bad guy. Step 4 : Bad guy seems to be winning. Step 5 : With the power of friendship the heroes beat the bad guy and the city is saved (left in rubble).
That's as far from relatable as any plot could be ever. I'd rather watch a movie about a band of superhero friends living in a shoe-box of an apartment, struggling to afford rent and living off ramen noodles in NYC.
& in the comics, the bad guys keep winning month & after month, with the heroes only gaining small victories before shit gets worse, & you pray for several months more that the heroes can at least have a few moments of peace. Then the big crossover event hits.
True 100%. Most Superhero movies and Shonen Animes are so generic that everytime I watch new one it feels like I've already watched this show 10 times before.
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I think that’s why so many people liked “The Batman.” It was a nice refresher from all these same superhero movies and didn’t force any lame/corny jokes. It took itself seriously, even though it’s still a DC film.
I’ve watched the movie 7 times. Since it’s a pretty long movie, I have to time it perfect such that it won’t go way past bedtime. Stand alone movies fucking slaps
@@sokkaaaaaa just watched the sandman (which was great) and I was thinking about the same. Dc would have been my fav if they did better instead of being wannabes.
I feel like annother big contributor to the whole thing is the stakes. Back when it was just the city of New York or the survival of some citizens the stakes feel grounded and real. With the whole “saving the world” thing being thrust in every single film, nothing feels notable and the tension is immediately gone. With invincible however, the stakes are real as it is established throughout the series that heroes can’t save everyone. And by having spent time with the one civilian Mark hurt, people aren’t just faceless casualties. This is also shown pretty well in The Boys, since avenging a dead girlfriend and having the villains being powerful people that abuse their power feel far more real than anything marvel has pumped out as of late. So yeah, grounded stakes good.
I don't think it's bad to have grand "save the world" stakes, but at certain point, the stakes get so great that they're hard to tell apart. So if you keep raising them as time goes on, you get to the point where it doesn't matter anymore and it's all the same. If you fail, everyone dies. It's kinda like power creep, but in movies.
@@davidwallace5645 yea, that and too many in your face cliches, like "only 1 outcome we win this" "if we lose the world is doomed" "if we mess up its all over," just so many one liners about it said over and over
I totally agree. The irony is, The Boys, and Invincible is so great due to the boring same old superhero movies existing, but giving a different twist to it
@@antogno4625 yes, it's one of the most faithful adaptations I've ever seen. It made some changes, but there's one in particular that I actually prefer to the comic and it has to do with Lucifer. It's a solid 9.2/10 imo, and the soundtrack is fucking BEAUTIFUL. My personal favorite episode was 6, The Sound of Her Wings
Nah they are just better shows because characters are well written there is an actual stake in those shows and story is interesting and at the same time have a comedy aswell a good comedy
Man I hate these stupid trailer lines they have, the superhero C.E.O needs to chill out and make some well needed changes as soon as- he’s right behind me, isn’t he?
This is why “The Batman” was so refreshing to me. I remember when the biggest criticism of superhero movies was that DC is too dark and serious. I agreed with a lot of the criticism, though I’ve always preferred more of a dark or serious tone. Now we’ve come full circle and people want more of that seriousness, and less of the Marvel/Disney formula.
Even the Titans show had me hooked. Dc is just always darker and grittier and it works. I wish they would let Afleck do a another run in a tv show or a mini series or something. He looked really good and healthy in snydercut
@@thelordz33 Batman vs superman ultimate cut and Justice league snydercut were both really good. But other than that Dc fails because of WB. WB has done an excellent job with the animation tho, So many amazing animated DC films. Its just weird they can't do the same thing for film. The batman was refreshing look for using some villains we havent seen in awhile.
Dark and serious wil ALWAYS outlast its polar opposite. Even as a kid, I used to enjoy the crap out of Batman Beyond, and Teen Titans even though those shows were super dark as heck. Marvel got popular because it's refreshing to see Avengers. But because they aren't dark and serious, their time is up, and so many people started to move on from that goofy era.
I'm honestly surprised it took this long for people to finally get tired of the humor ruining scenes that should have been taken seriously. Obviously a character like Deadpool should keep doing what he does, because you're getting exactly what you expect out of that. I think that's why I personally enjoyed the latest Batman movie so much. It was just "finally, I can actually take this movie seriously"
Dont you just hate it when the villain breaks character and cracks a joke that the fans will recognize as a reference just because they need more fanservice?
My biggest complaint is all the jokes. I don’t need them to be completely joke less but I just wish we could have some more serious superhero shows and movies and to make each one unique. These studios are just focusing on quantity over quality which makes me quite sad because superhero movies used to be a real treat to watch
People deeply criticized Scorsese when he made the comments about the amusement park movies with comic book superheroes. Fast forward a couple years, more and more people are starting to agree with him
I felt like Invicible's underlying philosophy got kinda confusing towards the end (I'm also a fucking dumbass so it probably went over my head) but god damn, what an entertaining ride.
@@arenomusic it's not too complicated, Omni Man believes human life is at best an ant farm to be kept around as pets: he is a god amongst mortals. he only values life when his son not only opposes him but still loves him
Having to watch the shows is a damn lie from the MCU for the sake of money. They used to have Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter and Inhumans but now they dont matter. Netflix made their Marvel shows that did really well but the MCU wiped those out but still dangle them in front of those shows fans while disregarding the shows in their universe. There are shows that are supposed to be connected that no one saw like Hit Monkey, MODOK, Cloak and Dagger and they don't matter at all. The Disney Plus shows barely have any connection via their characters but almost none in regards to story. The next shows to be released include Spider-Man Freshman Year which shows Peter dealing with Dr. Octopus, Scorpion, Chameleon, Norman Osborne taking him on as a mentor figure just like Tony Stark did but before he did. All that is supposed to be canon now when it never happened before and that makes no damn sense. The movies have become just as vapid and worthless with Phase 4 having almost as many movies as Phases 1 and 2 combined but it all seems so aimless.
@@jessecortez9449 the Disney plus shows are actually relevant to the movies though wandavision links into Dr Strange MOM and Loki is integral to everything going forward, also Ms Marvel ties into The Marvels (Captain Marvel 2) also as shown by Spider-Man and Hawkeye and the She-hulk trailer daredevil and kingpin from the Netflix shows are in the MCU so to say they’re not connected is a lie but the big thing is that anything that wasn’t seen to be very good like Inhumans is gonna be thrown out but that’s not to say they could never be brought back in if they wanted to redeem it
everybody ganging up on martin for his statement, but that was the LEAST harmful statement done at least the comparison was with a theme park ride (you can kinda enjoy that one), but the director of birdman outright called them *cultural genocide*
“Not every character has to be Tony Stark.” Exactly. There are so many types of humor/comedy out there and with all the heroes different life experiences, I imagine they would all develop different types of humor. Edit to Clarify: I would like a serious Marvel movie as well, I doubt we’ll get it because they’re making so much money on their little comedy specials. All I’m saying is that if we’re going to have to deal with so much comedy, I would like some variety.
Or maybe they could just drop the humor for a movie or two. I mean superheroes are inherently goofy af but imo marvel movies feel more like action comedy movies. Hell i don't even want these movies to be all serious and shit but pls for the love of god this one-liner type humor just has to go
@@yeetthemeat-yf5vp bro it's a superhero movie it's supposed to be serious, but if ur going be funny do it without trying like opm manga instead of forcing jokes like a bad comedian
The same thing happened to zombie media a few years ago. So much of the same type of content is blasted out it gets boring even if it's technically well made
As a person who really likes to watch zombie related films, I can confirm that this is true. The only movies and shows that I've enjoyed so far out of all I've watched are Z nation, All of us are Dead, and Wyrmwood. All the others are meh
I agree they are the same in principle, but they are vastly different in regards to degree. I think super hero over saturation dwarfs zombie saturation at its height.
Glad to know I'm not alone. I watched Marvel religiously until Endgame, and after that I've only watched a few things here and there. I'm just tired of it. I want original movies.
Endgame is pretty much the closing chapter of the superhero cinematic universe so when their are superhero movies connected to it, it feels tiring. At least make the superhero movies more of like slice of life rather than saving the day after Endgame.
The problem is when they do produce an original film, no one goes out to see it. So until they start losing money from superhero franchises, we're just gonna have more of them 🤷♂️
Even though Tony Stark's character was humor-oriented from the start, where I think the back-and-forth buddy comedy quipping that seems to have completely infected every Marvel movie really started was with the first Guardians of the Galaxy. That's when this slow descent into carbon-copy, superhero sitcoms really started. And you're right. It's exhausting.
@@consensus688 It actually suited Tony though. Like, it was a part of his egoistic personality and it complimented the different personas of every member in the team. It was fresh, really. But when every other character seems to have the same formula applied....well, its no longer interesting
@@i_like_protein That was something I really like about the ant man movies. The characters weren't really quippy, and the humor came from their personalities.
Syndrome said it best: _"when everyone is super, then no one will be"._ The superhero genre will end up like the Westerns in the late 80's, being parodied and deconstructed.
It already was lol - "Superhero Movie", starring Drake Bell. Came out in 2008, I think. Rewatched it a few years ago, it holds up surprisingly well - deserves more attention.
I agree, the market’s just become so oversaturated. I also miss the days when “cinematic universes” weren’t a thing and a movie or series can just stand alone and be it’s own thing.
Agreed. There’s a saying I’ve heard thrown around the internet a lot regarding this issue: “Everyone wants to make the next Avengers, but no one wants to make the next Iron Man.” And it’s so true. That’s why I have such deep respect for those who just wanna keep making original, stand-alone content that doesn’t have a sequel and doesn’t need one. Jordan Peele, Martin Scorsese, and Quentin Tarantino are individuals that come to mind, and A24 is a very respectable studio for pulling this off as well.
Let me ask u this, did this movies ever cause u mentally and physical harm? Nobody forced u to watch these thing and ur just complaining for the sake of complaining.
@@haroldnecmann7040 its called honest critic. which is very important. if the industry is all cookie cutter and recycled formulaic films its vital and absolutely warranted to express an opinion
If constructive criticism to you is called “complaining” then there’s nothing to be gained from in your comment. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, especially if it’s for the betterment of entertainment media
The problem is that when a company starts trying to chase their previous success rather than telling stories they genuinely care about and put a lot of thought and work into, they inevitably make something that's shit. There is no secret formula to writing a good story, only a series of best practices that dont always mix well together.
yess, this is a big rule i have for myself as someone who creates. i do not let myself try to remake things only because it was successful the first time. if i’m going to do anything, i have to do it bc i’m passionate about it and care about the actual thing, not the result i’ll get.
The sad thing is, you KNOW Hollywood is going to milk The Boys and Invincible formula as well so within a decade even those shows that were once considered fresh are going to feel stale
@@greatdimkpa1467 it’s called generation supe I think. Might be pretty interesting tbh the boys is the only superhero content I’m genuinely excited for all the time now
In regards to the superhero shows, I liked Moon Knight quite a bit as it broke away at times from the classic Marvel formula. I loved the psychological exploration of that show
Moon Knight is awful. Literally 6 episodes of nothing. The ending is so fucking boring. I got nothing out of watching it. Also... I love how heroes NEVER get shot... It just never happens
There is a reason why "The Boys" and "Invincible" are so immensely popular. For one, they're really good shows, but secondly they offer an alternative, more realistic view of "superheroes", unlike the "hero comes to save the day and fix all your problems"- type of media that's been shoved down our throats since 2008. Also part of the reason why I think that Agents of Shield is the best thing that Marvel has done to this day.
boys season 2 was shit tho, they went full woke with it and i hate how they reduced French into such a simp for the asian girl when he started out so intresting and cool
The Boys isnt a superhero show. Its a show about how fucked up people are and they just so happen to have superpowers. Its a lot more character driven.
@@deamnis the boys was didn't go woke it was always anti-capitalist and anti-conservative, if you needed a literal Nazi with incel alt-right 4chan fanboys and homelander rallying MAGA redcaps to realise that then you're not very clever
@@deamnis I agree about Frenchie but I think the season was still really good. Honestly frenchies character is easier to understand for most people now too. Still wish he didn’t simp so hard
I think in DC's defence, at least they're much more willing to experiment than Disney with their conveyor belt, quantity over quality mindset. Over the last few years we've had director-led films like Joker, The Batman and the Snyder Cut of Justice League that are more dynamically shot, scored and acted than anything the MCU has churned out lately, perhaps ever. I liked No Way Home a lot but let's be honest, it was very reliant on nostalgia. Yeah the clueless execs at Warner Bros have mishandled the DCEU terribly and made some awful decisions, but at least you're more likely to be surprised and left with a lasting impression with DC than Marvel.
Peacemaker was also a great continuation of the same writing style as suicide squad for dc, but through a different lens and it delves into some pretty serious topics like being born into a family where bigotry and belittling is normalized, but that you don’t have to be the spitting image of those who came before you.
@@charlesmartel6508 what are you trying to do here? This has nothing to do with it being good or not. It's something different. This has nothing to do with your opinion on it.
Honestly i burned out after End Game. That was literally a 10+ year plot spanning 20+ movies. And it ended spectacularly. And now theyre booting a new wave? Like real comics its just too much to keep up. The best films are the ones that are self contained with their own story to tell not to sell someone elses down the line.
But that's what made phase 1-3 so successful, lots of interweaved narratives all culminating in Endgame. Phase 4 has many self contained stories, the problem though is that the stories they're telling(for the most part) just suck.
I mean opinions can be opinions, but comics are honestly a different story. You don't have to read everything just pick up good runs nad stories. It's not shoved into your throat too and definitely good to just read good runs and stories that you will never run out of because of comics long history and upcoming books which will always have bangers.
The problem with superhero movies nowadays is that they all want multiple year long continuities and storylines to catch the lighting-in-a-bottle that was Infinity war. It’s not happening. Not ever, ever again. So with that said just make them self contained stories. Into the spider verse didn’t sequel bait and even if it had it was completely contained as a story. All superhero movies should aim to do that. Be a completely fulfilling story in and of themselves
I was going to make the same comment about trying to recapture infinity war. It’s so annoying knowing exactly how the Kang invasion film is going to end to try and get that same shock leading into Secret Wars. Fantastic comic arc, but people are still going to be disappointed because Infinity War was the first to have that massive ‘heroes lose’ event in mainline superhero films.
@@Evanz111 If they fuck up Doom and Reed's rivalry in Secret Wars it's gonna be so disappointing to see They're the core of Secret Wars, if you don't do them justice then you're making a grave mistake adapting that storyline in particular and all that build up in the previous phases goes into the garbage (This is assuming they're adapting the modern Secret Wars & not the classic one, either are possible but for me the 2015 run seems more likely, just replace the Beyonders with Kang)
As someone who is not a marvel fan, it definitely feels like they are releasing TOO much content. It like a movie and a tv for every season and I don’t think this would last until the end of this decade. Then on top of that, there are some many Easter eggs spread out between the movies and tv shows you not going to get unless you follow hardcore. When it’s all said and done I think there will be a big distinction from movies made pre and post endgame.
It appears the multiverse saga will end in 2025. I think they might end it there because I don't see what they could do that is bigger than the multiverse.
An interesting point people were bringing up is something called “investment cost”. How much time and effort is it going to take to be able to catch up to the MCU and follow it with everyone else. For a new fan coming into the MCU from the first Avengers, all they had to watch was the first two Iron Mans, Captain America, Hulk and Thor. For a new fan to the MCU they have roughly 23 movies to watch with about seven or eight tv shows to get to the same level as a legacy viewer. That’s going to be a huge haemorrhage when new viewers don’t watch and let’s face it, the Marvel movies are incredibly formulaic unlike Star Wars where at least each one was different. Would you really want to watch 20 of almost the same movie?
Oh yea, I wouldn't mind trying to get into the MCU except any plan that Marvel had past Endgame just is wayyyy too time consuming and the payout isn't even worth it considering not even Marvel knows how they want to proceed with the phases.
That’s why I personally liked The Batman so much it was a very different take on super hero movies didn’t need to have the characters quipping the whole time took its time to and deviated
You are absolutely correct Moist Man, it’s become “Buy this product, get excited for the next product, and while you wait here’s MORE product” and the product is mediocre CGI dumpster fires pumped out on a factory conveyor belt. They took what works and what people say they want and have run with that model for years with zero innovation and they keep alleviating the stakes by “infinite multiverses” giving them an excuse to replace their primary set of actors but it’s the same characters. Watching these movies and shows in the moment with friends is fun, laugh and mock the bad ones, turn your brain off for the good ones and just enjoy it, but… it’s all too much now, there really is superhero fatigue
I grew up in a time when Superhero movies were few and far between. It was an event when you saw them because they didn't make them much. It's not like that anymore. I think a lot of people are suffering superhero fatigue, especially us older folks.
@@juliee593 they change plot lines, story, and not making it generic (not all of them) making it so interesting such as hero school, overpowered bored guy (opm a good captain, and a genius scientist
Yeah, the biggest problem is that the whole genre has been COMPLETELY oversaturated. It also doesn't help that the writing can be pretty lack-luster at time.
The fact that he has to apologize every so often for having an opinion says a lot about the state of the fandoms that surround these movies. It's kind of sad.
I agree everybody thinks there opinions are right and yours is wrong instead of just accepting that people like different styles of movies. I definitely disagree with people on movies but I’m not gonna talk shit to them cause I don’t agree. I love the new Batman movie but I understand not everybody likes a slower pace movie.
@@dudenotsoperfect9366 that's a small fandom compared to the likes of superhero movies. I don't see how that's worse. Remember, MCU fans sent death threats to Scorcese and called him a racist after his opinion on superhero movies went viral lol.
Invincible was such an incredible breath of fresh air in the superhero genre. I’ve always been a Marvel fan but I’ve been disappointed with almost everything they’ve produced under Disney
This is exactly why I felt like The Batman was such an enjoyable movie. It broke out of the typical superhero movie formula that marvel has been recycling since Endgame (which is sad considering Moon Knight had a lot of potential before it was ruined). It was a very grounded movie with slow pacing that fit with the plot, and it still didn't compromise on humour with scenes like Penguin's interrogation by Batman and Gordon. Even characters that people found funny, like Paul Dano's Riddler, still felt menacing and demented and the humour didn't take away from them or make them silly in any way. I was really hoping Love and Thunder would have a similar vibe and pacing, with an almost serial killer-like feel, having Thor (and company) investigate a series of god-killings trying to track down Gorr while being under the threat of getting killed himself, forcing him to be wary and more mature. Instead we got Gorr the Child Kidnapper and a bunch of mid-2000s movie humour. Such a waste of potential (and Christian Bale).
God I thought Batman was a snore fest would have been a good movie if it didn’t drag on for 3 fucking hours. Also this Batman has literally no emotion he is just in a constant state of brooding and zero emotion. Immediately fell in love with cat women also after like 2 sentences exchanged between them.
Comparing dc to marvel, or expecting the later to make movies with the same level of darkness and depth as the former is asking a bit much. While the later dc stuff has been a little brighter and the marvel stuff has attempted something a little darker, nether can pull off what the other does. DC will always be a little bit more baroque than marvel can ever be.
The Batman followed the same type of formula as Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, just with different actors and villains. I suppose if you're under age 20 and you've never seen the Nolan movies you could say it was original, but it really wasn't. Borrowed formula just like all the others.
1:19 Hit me pretty hard. The fact that we live in a world where commentators have to put in that "this is my opinion and you can have a different opinion and that's okay" disclaimer before anything they say. I wish we lived in a society where that sort of statement was just self-obvious and people don't blow up at the slightest thing that differs (let alone challenges) from their point of view.
@@Ravix0fFourHorn People say shit like this but it's just not true, this is how it's always been. We just see It more because people giving their opinions are more. Even 3 decades ago people used to get pissed at Critics like Roger Eberts for his opinions.
It's not that I dislike superheroes, it's just I'm tired of that pegi 12 thing and being treated like a child. There are no deep moments in superhero movies anymore, there's no reading between lines. We're all treated like children with some cool explosions and repetitive heroes. That's the reason The Boys is so good to me. I don't feel like I'm being treated like an idiot there. It doesn't water down on reality, the characters are so flawed and well-written and there is so much more to it like real meaningful moments, dark and twisted humour because they treat their audience like adults and so much satire and mockery of our real world that it has become part of the humour.
I love the show, but the dark and twisted humour is typically enjoyed by the teen audience tho. I mean using swear words and dark sht for satire lol. I laughed at that when I was 16. I've seen lots of teenagers on twitter love the dude running up the PP (my comment got deleted for the word ☠️), yes it was wacky, but I didn't laugh out loud. I became boring Ig :'). Oof
@@Ilivedbih I meant more like Frenchie being so high he couldn't sit straight, Hughie using his powers only to realize he is naked. It's not things that make you go "HAHAHAH", but a slight and genuine giggle and remembering what made you laugh is better than something you'll forget when you leave the cinema.
The second he said “it’s like being asked to rate every single individual noodle in a bowl of spaghetti” I immediately stopped wiping my cheeks on the pooper and liked this video. He spoke up for a part of my sub conscious that even I didn’t know was buried away.
I've been burned out for a while, and I was a comic geek growing up. It's just too much. I don't want to have to watch 30 movies and 10 TV shows to get everything going on. I want good stand alone movies more than a franchise. I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again.
It's why I like DC unironically. A lot of Marvel fans don't understand I'm not looking for shit like The Batman to be in the DCEU let it do a trilogy and disappear
FR the last couple of marvel movies are so freaking mid I couldn't finish moon knight or the Wanda multiverse movie and I've been "die-hard" fan since iron man so seeing these movies feels like a shell of itself :/
This is why Joker and logan to some extent was refreshing even though it was still part of a franchise it felt like it's own thing and they tried to do something different with it. I'm not necessarily over superhero movies i'm just over the exact same ones in these giant franchises with the same formulas. I want to see more smaller superhero movies where indies can be creative like chronicle. Giant hollywood studios are way too afraid of stepping into unknown territory at the risk of maybe losing money, they find what works and then over the course of 20 years they drive it into the ground, same shit happens with video games (ubisoft being the most obvious example).
" I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again." Tough shit, cause we've had the same shit rehashed over and over since the mid 90s. It's not really a super hero thing, it's just how movies are made. Once you know the formula it is extremely hard to enjoy movies afterwards... It's like how knowing a good bit about music makes most pop music damn near unlistenable.... It's the same shit over and over.. Same chords, same damn arpeggios and progressions. Hell, most of it is white keys only these days, cause why learn anything but Am and C? The movie formula was perfected before 2000, and that's why everything after 2000 is just remakes and knockoffs. The only new thing to actually happen to movies after the 90s were high quality super hero movies. Now that's been run into the ground because innovation is hard. Once super hero movies go away, what we'll be left with are more stories you've heard a million times told according to the allmighty formula. Event - bad turn - victory for ever. 3 chapters, same story, mostly the same actors over and over.. Movies kinda suck.
I think what gets me the most is the comedy in these movies now. Every character has the same comedic timing, the same sense of humor, they're all obsessed with these stale one liners.
They had very similar one-liners in movies back then too but somehow I don't cringe myself to oblivion when watching those old movies, maybe the humour has just gone from bad to atrocious.
I feel like the Batman just was more of an interesting film due to it being more serious and if there was a joke it’s was subtle which I liked, I feel like they need to focus on seriousness within these movies with superhero’s to make them actually interesting instead of seeing an actor in a green suit making crappy jokes in a green screen room…I’m not at all hyped for future marvel content but I am for the Batman timeline due to it actually taking characters seriously so As everyone is saying I think the Batman was very refreshing indeed
@@puffd4nny Well, Batman as a character was always more of a vigilante than a superhero, that’s what I liked about the movie that they captured that aspect
Completely agree, I liked the marvel movies up until No Way Home, but I’ve slowly lost interest, but things like Batman and the Boys give fresh new takes on the genre that don’t feel like boring copies of previous movies. The rarity of this unique content gives it more value as well. I’m very hyped for the new Batman timeline as well
I truly believe that being bought by Disney has imbued Marvel with a "too big to fail" attitude that has caused them to take the audience they had at their peak for granted; like, why should THEY have to apologize for pushing out a mediocre product? I hope that Matt Reeves's "The Batman" really made a lot of people at Marvel question their marriage to the MCU. That movie is the type of movie that Marvel simply cannot make anymore. The MCU bars them from ever truly experimenting with their properties
That was 100% Disney’s logic with buying Star Wars. They ruined everything but still made too much money to never care about it. “Somehow, palpating returned” tops the worst line I’ve ever heard in any movie.
Movies like Logan and joker are amazing examples for movies that don’t always take the same route as what we’ve been recently overfed I have to agree with Charlie
We need to bring back the amazing action films of the 80s and 90s! Movies that Cannon films put out back in the day and of course the bigger studios too!
I dunno, The Expendables was great but just kinda nostalgia great. The '80's super hero running and gunning through the big bad's fortress is only so so when everything has explosions now. Don't get me wrong I loved the super hero movies of Rambo and Commando and Robocop but new Judge Dredd hella better than the old Judge Dredd movie y'know.
It’s like going to a restaurant with only steak on the menu. The steak is good and you like steak so you come in frequently But eventually you get tired of eating the same thing and want something else. You look around and see that because of how popular the steak is, other restaurants are also switching to making steak. Also because the cooks know you’re already addicted to steak they’ve started putting in less effort and taking shortcuts in making the steak so it doesn’t even taste as good. So there you are left with only steak and realizing you’re slowly starting to hate it.
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I’ve felt the same way for years now. They always replace all the moments that are critical to the films plot with some witty jokes that have nothing to do with the story
I really do miss the 2005-2013 range. It didn’t feel like things were being mashed together at hyper speed to make some Super Smash Bros ultimate timeline, but we were getting a lot of quality films. Worst part is it’s spilling over to things like LoTR and Star Wars.
The other marvel phases felt less like obvious plans for a fight with a big bad, and more like a bunch of origin stories that ended up being subtly woven together into a final fight movie. Now it feels like they're just trying to cram as many cool characters in as possible. They've more or less went from naturally having stupidly cool crossovers, to forcing it when I can tell most probably don't want it anymore.
@@GarseJanacek it's a bit of an open secret mate. Whatever profits the movie makes goes into the movie stars, etc. While the VFX artists get paid peanuts despite the fact without the VFX artists, the movie would suck. I'm not in the industry but these things are well known for anyone who's worked freelance in the US.
I will always prefer to read the comics over watching the poorly adapted movies. Comics usually have better writers, better story telling, better character development, better pacing, bright cheerful colors, & the jokes hit better. I am however pretty excited about the X-Men 97 animated series.
@@LikaLaruku I just don't get how comic readers put up with the lack of stakes. Even the street-level characters get resurrected. If Thanos rips Cyclops in half, I know the X-Men will do some science shenanigans to resurrect him. If Frank Castle snipes Doc Ock, it will be revealed that it was a clone, or that his tentacles injected him with a miracle drug, or that Mephisto is reviving the dead and throwing them at some hero.
I personally would love a Marvel universe superhero reality tv spoof where we watch them live out the mundane part of their life like cook dinner and do laundry and walk the dog 😂
This is why Logan was my favorite marvel movie, it was a bleek ending to wolverines story, however it shows the consequences of having his powers and the raw emotions of seeing his friends die because they are associated with him. It is also great how there was references to the old comic books and how only about a quarter of it happened and the rest was made up. There was also old western cowboy movie references in the film to show that superhero movies much like westerns are a fad that will inevitably die out like those shows did.
I stopped caring after Endgame. I already wasn’t too big on superhero stuff, the Avengers movies were pretty much the only superhero movies I ever watched outside of Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy but I’m not sure they’re considered superheroes, they’re more like bad people that do good things. I guess superhero stuff just isn’t my thing.
This is why The Batman was such a breath of fresh air to me, and Joker was really good too. They’re unique and not following the usual superhero/comic movie formula
@@monochrome6383 i am so scared that marvel will mess up with daredevil, kingpin coming back already is pretty shitty, he was the main bad guy for two seasons, and the final scene with matt and him on season 3 was just perfect, it felt like the end.
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I thought The Batman was a nice change of pace, but I definitely agree that no Marvel or DC movie excites me anymore. I think it's also so severe and gas come on so quickly since most Marvel projects have been average or lower in terms of writing quality. It happened with westerns, it happened with war movies, and it's gonna happen with superhero movies, eventually interest will wane enough for them to leave the mainstream.
I liked the newest Batman because it wasn’t a “save the world from a massive threat” kind of movie, it’s Bruce Wayne dealing with the different experiences within Gotham. It felt very gritty and like characters had genuine impact on each other in a grounded world. Marvel characters just flit in and out of each other’s stories with ever higher stakes in a sterile, sparkly and marketable world.
it’s my favourite super hero movie ever. pretty much everything about it was great. compared to most marvel movies you see nowadays it was a breath of fresh air.
@@Gyaradosage Batman was great because he wasn’t a godlike, goofy superhero. He was a man who’d take hard hits and be affected by them. He had a very definable motive that didn’t leave him running around or traveling the universe aimlessly, he took his clues from his target, and followed the riddlers tracks, while also helping those he wants to help.
@@Gyaradosage I love how little the impact of these super apocalyptic events and stakes have on the world. I mean just look at "The Eternals" a giant celestial being twice the size of Earth appears, then dips and literally no one ever mentions this. In the Marvel world I guess its another Tuesday evening.
I think the Batman was the one exception for me. It was so different. It wasn’t jokey, it was serious and it’s not like a superhero movie has to be serious to be good but it makes it unique and refreshing. I don’t actually care about the shows. I’m just going to watch the few movies I want to watch. They’ve definitely degraded.
They did take a break though. After Far From Home, we went nearly two years without any Marvel content, unless you count Agents of SHIELD which had its final season in 2020.
I definitely agree that Marvel movies feel samey, but I will say, DC’s latest efforts mostly feel different and unique. The Batman, The Suicide Squad, Joker, etc. all feel very different and feel like a vision from someone. But yes Marvel movies with the exception of a few all feel the same.
@@lordsnow8438 I’m just a fan of movies man idk. I REALLY loved the new Dr.Strange. Seeing Raimi get to go crazy with his style on a big budget scale was so fun to watch. Loki was great. And I guess while it’s not MCU marvel, Into the Spider-Verse is my favorite comic book movie of all time. I don’t care where the movie comes from, as long as it’s good, and has a unique style and vision to it.
@@SatchelStreams What was great about Strange 2 other than the visuals? And Loki is absolutely disgusting trash that shits all over any notion of quality. Nothing in it makes sense, be it characters, worldbuilding or plot. It breaks reality and removes the stakes from literally everything that has happened before it. What do you mean "great"?
@@lordsnow8438 me too I’m just happy that more newcomers will be motivated to read the comics, play the games or watch the cartoons all because of the recent DC film content we got. I’m not saying I dislike Marvel, I just prefer DC content for quite some years now
Definitely agree, every marvel movie feels so formulaic that you know exactly what's gonna happen and when it happens. Thor love and thunder was so hard to watch at times with the never ending forced humour in the face of death, its so tiring. However The Batman was very enjoyable, probably the first superhero movie I've really enjoyed since Endgame. But yeah it feels like every single character in marvel is just a combination of Tony Stark and Deadpool now.
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people say this a lot "marvel is too formulaic" but honestly I don't see anything wrong with that? The MCU is clearly on a set path that's well thought out by that whole division or whoever tf makes the mcu. The characters are likable, they're pretty and well made movies? Like I really don't understand the criticism... Every time the internet loses their mind about how a marvel movie is "SOOOO BADD" I go and watch it and find out that its not that bad. like consistently people overreact with marvel, captain marvel, watched it, it was an ok film black widow, it was an OK film hawkeye, was probably the worst of the bunch but was STILL ok, I still enjoyed it. thor love and thunder was a GOOD movie. ms marvel was obviously made for teenagers and it was pretty good, I enjoyed it. and lastly, moon knight, I was told, was absolutely god awful and the cgi made people vomit. that was a straight up fuckin lie, moon knight was fire, the actor was really good and the CGI dipped literally once on the first episode, the rest of the show it ranged from good to REALLY GOOD. lack of direction is also the exact problem with the DC movies for me. These movies, They feel completely directionless, like they have no idea where they're going. I've seen batman v superman, both justice leagues, both suicide squads AND shazam AND wonderwoman. They all seemed completely directionless like they were all going in complete different directions.
@@thepopo592 I get what you're saying but a "well thought out path" is not the same as being formulaic. They're doing the same thing in every single movie, of course people get tired of it. It's like eating the same meal every day, only the meal aint steak or pizza but the slop that they feed to pigs. Thor was so disappointing to me, like the humor wasn't even funny. Chris Hemsworth is the only reason someone would want to watch that. There's no stakes either which makes the action lose all its value. And the romance was so forced and terrible. The script was a slap in the face to such talented actors, because they all have amazing depth but it was watered down in that movie. It's not that the movies are so bad to the point of repulsion, it's that they all are the same and have absolutely no depth to them. I tried so hard to just feel something during that movie but I just felt empty. Storytelling in general is very formulaic, it's about how the story is told that makes it worth seeing the same tropes.
Yeah moonknight was absolute fire, loved it. Loki series was also brilliant, but every superhero movie i see now is just the same, and Love and Thunder is a perfect example of that. And The Batman strayed from the norm and turned out out to be really enjoyable.
I was tired of this after Avengers 2 -- I think it has all the same things wrong with it that people throw at the newer ones like really boring pacing, boring CGI, bored actors acting boringly.
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The twisting of characters and atmosphere that they want to create is also really hard too watch. Sometimes you should just forget some charateristics that they had created because everything has to be humerous :/
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I finally felt this with Black Widow's sidekick whenever she mentioned Black Widow doing a pose when landing. I knew immediately that it would be a running gag with that character with her remarking how silly it was every time.
You aren’t alone. I think you hit the nail on the head on every point in my opinion. It’s like watching prime time TV. It’s a formula, it’s vanilla, it’s boring.
The Boys and Invincible are pretty good since they kinda avoid the trope where the superheroes and supervillains are clear cut with little to no wiggle room. The Boys feels like a much more realistic scenario if people had superpowers and Invincible *spoiler* literally kills off the cut and paste team of superheroes early on.
"it's like being asked to rate every individual noodle in a bowl of spaghetti" lol got me with this idk how charlie comes up with the best ways to describe things
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It's kind of how I felt about Thor: Love and Thunder. It was too goofy for me, especially with such a serious villain. I enjoyed Christian Bale's character but I it would have been better if the movie matched that seriousness.
@@linat8268 Love and Thunder is trying its best to outjoke Ragnarok, and it fails miserably. If it tried to be its own movie instead of trying to be bigger and better than something else it would've been a great movie. It tried to strike lightning twice on the same place.
I find Thor the only refreshing thing in the last years of supe movies. I can’t barely take them seriously, so a movie that does it as well scored points
I actually liked Thor Love and Thunder because it was so goofy. I just can’t take superhero media seriously at all, so comedies are the only ones I actually enjoy
I think the problem is that Marvel has grown so comfortable with its "winning" formula that all their movies have felt kinda samey. Superheroes can be used to tackle a wide variety of genres but Marvel does NOTHING but action comedies, which is why I loved The Batman so much, because it was different while still properly representing the characters.
The batman was such an amazing departure from the superhero formula we've been getting the last 10 years. He was the batman, not another Tony stark clone that every super hero has been made to copy.
Basic lineup of most marvel movies: Bad guy back story, bad guys first attack, bad guy is hunted by good guy, 40 minutes of plot Bullcrap and 20 minutes of explosions, someone important either dies or is gravely wounded, new good guy is revealed, cut through credits and next movies bad guy is revealed because of some random fight scene, REPEAT AND PROFIT.
@@drose1488 iron man, captain america, iron man 2, spiderman homecoming, thor, thor dark world, black panther, captain marvel, superman, eternals. Every single mcu and dceu movie follows the same plot
You forgot the part where the “””good”””” guy ruins buildings and throws shit that ends up hitting civilians and kills at least 200 bystanders, and the plot just doesn’t give a single shit.
I genuinely hope Disney dissolves as a company, the death of Marvel isn't enough anymore I love superhero content but Marvel is just dry and exhausting to sit through. I tried seeing the Wanda/Dr. Strange movie with my family and it was just. Boring. No real stakes, no real or compelling morality, no interesting characters or themes. It just feels empty. Marvel and Star Wars were big movies when I was a child/young teenager, and both franchises have been run into the ground and murdered. Not worth time or money anymore.
Hard disagree. Disney sucks ass, but there are people such as Dave Filoni who know how star wars should be done. Can't really say the same for marvel though. Marvel ended after endgame for me. Except the spider man movies. And there are also those who want to twist star wars into some shitfest circle jerk COUGH Kathleen Kennedy. But serious aside from the sequel trilogy, I've enjoyed everything else star wars under disney has put out.
@Jacques Guerrier IDK what you're talking about, even if you think Star Wars was bad before Disney it's still remarkably worse now. I'm not claiming they were ever the pinnacles of cinema and writing, just that they used to be loveable franchises.
@Jacques Guerrier we had to get to "I am your Father" somehow and it's still leagues better than Imma fight you as a force hologram ( which I thought was female why is a 60 something year old man showing up?) where I'm invincible and then just die, because reasons. Or build up some big bad evil mastermind only to just cut him in half the first scene he's actually in, leaving the franchise villainless so you try and push a man baby, which doesn't work, or dig up the corpse of the last big baddy which also didn't work
@Jacques Guerrier you're taking a singular factor that made one movie not good equating it to how a company now treats a whole series. The difference between the prequel failures and Disney's star wars failures are that George Lucas was not the best director, but had vision and direction. The prequels failed in terms of pacing, plot, and acting. But the ideas which Lucas used to create the prequels was still there and came to life with the clone wars, where Dave Filoni, someone who shared a similar vision, took those ideas, and smoothed out the surface level errors made by Lucas. And what came of it was a series which saw so much strong fan support and excitement that it was brought back from the dead. You don't have to like the clone wars era (most original star wars fans dont) but the amount of interest in that time period is substantial. Now let's take a look at Disney. A directionless trilogy, with all the tropes, idiosyncrasies, and plot points of the original series, but with none of the meaning, imagination, or care as the first two trilogies. I don't know a better example of corporate money siphoning than with the sequel trilogy and much of its similar content. It was so lifeless and offered nothing but a title. The problems ran much deeper than the actors or dry romance like the prequels. It was a safe title boasting game which insulted the Fandom to its core, and has no tangible defense or audience to support it. That's why Disney ruined star wars. Not just because of some bad movies. And just to spit on the beat horse, they open a hotel where they charge thousands of dollars for a brand name. If that's not another similar symptom of the same consistent Disney problem, I dont know what else could be.
I feel this applies to marvel more than DC. Their formula is getting really tiresome now. But DC had The Batman which was a breath of fresh air, and Joker. I’m hoping that since DC are getting a shakeup they’ll see that marvel is getting boring to people and go in the direction they’ve been going in recently with Batman and joker, films that had something to say, and some personality.
I agree, Marvel so far seems to be going nowhere even with phase 5 announced. But DC took a good step forward with The Batman and im very exited to aee more of what they do
Conceptually the joker was not interesting to me, I wasn't disappointed after watching it. The "in your face deep message" or " mental health awareness" was exaggerated by the people that cite it as distracting or detracting
DC also had the Suicide Squad (the James Gunn one) and has been great with the shows too. Marvel's Disney+ shows have been flops imo but DC got peacemaker which was incredible and Harley Quinn which was unique and hilarious.
DC is worse tho, Joker was ok nothing original, the Batman was pretty good but too long, aside from that DC only has generic looking movies, The flash and Black adam look like shit.
My biggest movie pet-peeve is when characters quip jokes during a tense scenes, diffusing all the built-up tension. These occurrences are most plentiful in super-hero movies. Way to make me not care about the stakes. Besides Infinity War part 1, super-hero movies are a waste of time to me.
Actual hot take but i 100% agree. Infinity war should've been a non reversible event, meaning everyone that got snapped are gone gone. The remaining heroes then find the strength to "avenge" those fallen heroes and half the population.
That’s exactly why I don’t watch marvel. People are laughing at Dc for not having more movies then Marvel but let’s be fair the most Marvel movies are shitty
Thats the reason i havent watched end game. Just seem like a cop out to me everyone is good and dandy, evil didnt win and now we can make more movies from the heroes that "died". Dumb one liners after finishing a 20 sec fight scene, The writing is just so shit
This is something that a series like One piece does, in middle of conflicts the characters can make contextual jokes or the like, but even then when there’s really intense moments or fights it knows when to show restraint in the humor and let things be serious, something that Marvel seem to not know how to do or does it even have the concept that the same thing will get stale if you use it every single time
My "superhero fatigue" started awhile ago, I've been tired of the blockbuster formula for years, superheroes were for awhile a fresh take on blockbusters, but they're falling into the same level as other blockbusters
I always liked super heroes, but I'm starting to think they work better as comics or tv shows. The heroes AND villains get more development over time, and in comics they can get away with more. They tend to be a lot weirder and more creative then the movies. Some of them have been pretty good still lately (I liked the new Spider-Man, and Suicide Squad), but it is a shame other stuff isn't as well supported anymore.
I started getting tired of it when I discovered the "comedy" is just the same joke over and over again. Every fucking time. They cut the music so someone can do something not superhero-y. Every fucking time.
I know exactly what you mean. I just saw a Star Trek ad for that new show or whatever before this video, and they did that exact thing. Cutting the music for someone to say something stupid
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That's what made The Batman the best superhero movie in years for me, it had humour but Batman wasn't talking or making quips like a dumbass nor was any other character
I ended on Endgame. I genuinely thought they would end the franchise there, with Thanos rectifying the timeline and re-snapping. My ignorance was astounding in hindsight. The idea that King Mouse would abandon that cash cow because "it's a great ending," was never gonna happen XD
@@redheadedstepchild2240 you had an entire franchise following that model lol, as well as other comic/fantasy films like that. Twice in a row wasn't too much to ask for.
I ended on Spider-Man No Way Home, so somewhat post Endgame and with the prequel of Black Widow(minus the TV shows). I feel like after that, everything else is explained from there
