Have The Boleyn Sisters Been Misunderstood By History? | A Tale Of Two Sisters | Chronicle 

I did early on. I saw too many talking heads DISCUSSING historical stuff and theories and nowhere NEAR being "Netflix for history" in terms of content. Maybe they have rectified this but the promise in the beginning WAS NOT FULFILLED. Period. False advertising at that time lead me to sour on History Hit. Therefore, unless they dispense with their overbearing bs spokesperson who was involved in EVERY FALSE ADVERTISEMENT AND WAS IN 80% OF THE PROGRAMS I will advise people to NOT PAY FOR THAT STREAMING MALARKEY. GET RID OF THAT EGOTISTICAL JACKWAGON AND MAYBE I'LL RECONSIDER. But until then DO NOT PAY TO SUBSCRIBE.

Agreed. His son isn't as popular as his sister...as well as his mother. It seems like noone care about Jane nowadays

And it was through Henry’s sister Margaret that the Stewart/Tudor line continued after Elizabeth.

Anne's daughter, not just Henry's! Anne definitely got the last laugh

Right?!! The irony.

​@@fafh01 Both Jane and Edward were just footnotes in history. It was Anne and Elizabeth who stuck more in our memories. 😅

NO ONE.

She even rode out in full armor to meet the Scottish forces when Henry was away on a campaign to France. Some people don't appreciate anything. He could have annulled the marriage and left it at that. What a prick not to let her see her own daughter. Some people claimed he had brain trauma from his fall, but he was a jerk way before that

I feel sorry for her. After the death of her first husband she lived isolated and in poverty until Henry took her back. What a bitch to be born a woman in those days

She couldn't settle for an annulment. She had the future of her daughter Queen Mary to think of

Well, don't forget. Henry isn't a little boy anymore when she married him. Once a crown is put on his head, he now had considered his wife's decisions in consideration. He has other men to advise him. Yes, she helps her country and everything, but you have one detail that most people tend to forget. Nbles would do anything to get the king's favor. He was already dissatisfied with her because there is no son only mary. so people were already standing in line offering their daughters even wives to be his mistress. So either way, there wasn't really loyalty towards the queen Katherine of Aragon anyway.

Yes times may have been tough for females but it doesn’t mean it was impossible for high status women to maintain dignity and morality in that time. Other women proved this around Henry, Anne did nothing but play the same games as Henry with no true remourse for anyone who might have suffered from her short rise and fall. Women could easily stay passive not to engage in many of the negative things Anne Boleyn allowed herself to become involved in. She is not the saint everybody likes to paint her as. That being said, many people would have been doing the same stuff to rise to the top given the chance.

True, Henry left a trail of blood with whomever he got involved with.

They were only scandalous because they had their own opinions.

@@elanabethfariss117 what leader.doesnt especially these days...look at bidens supposedly inept ukraine.fiasco ..ive been writing for months he would need lots.of bodies to cover for his and top.demonrat treason and corruption ...and look lots of bodies and major propoganda that has also unleashed the mob hate and violence against innocent russians...and anyone who doesnt GOOSESTEP to his tune.

@@mcmag888 I find it difficult to come up with 1 single woman (queens, or princesses), who were not at 1 time, and mostly more than 1 time, suspected, or accused of being immoral, either by their contemporaries, or historians of later ages. People doubt whether Queen Elizabeth really was a virgin, or if her Guardian took advantage of her, and why was she so jealous of the young courtiers? Her sister, Mary made herself look like a fool, the way she loved Phillip ll of Spain. Mary, Queen of the Scots were accused of having killed her husband, together with Boswell her lover, some Earl got beheaded because he wanted to marry her, and free her, and rule with her. I don't know, but this is the old story, men want to do whatever they want, but the minute a woman does it, it's immoral. Anne was not ambitious, and only wanted to keep her head on her body. Now, Anne Boleyn saw a lot of flirtations in Paris. Even though somebody wrote a comment, that she was protected by the Queen from the wolves, well, wolves have many tricks up their furs. Maybe the King of France himself was found to be the culprit, and to save his face, and not provoke another stupid war, Henry decided to accuse others. He didn't notice her for some years, because the shame was so great for her, that she didn't "shine". Then Mary had an affair with Henry, and Anne found out that the British court is just as immoral, and shined up. Then he saw her, and felt like King David. What do you think? Can you come up with a name, I can only find some who became Nuns, or were old widows, or ugly.

And the sisters are the ones remembered as sluts. Not king Henry who went on to many more marriages &mistresses. 🙄

A lot of men were mistreated by Henry as well - a lot!

@@kelrogers8480Oh will somebody think about the men….

I also hoped for more in-depth facts, but...I've learned that these 48-58 minutes documentaries, if they are not a series of 4, are very shallow. It kinda frustrates me a bit, because I can't compare it to the audiobooks I've listened to, or if that is not available, the books I have read myself online. So, I watch these documentaries to see the castles, etc. but for in-depth facts...you will always be disappointed,

Wow, I didn’t know… makes sense, sad ‼️🫤

That's incorrect, she didn't lose the baby boy due to him falling off his horse. Anne lost the baby boy because of the stress of seeing him with Jane Seymour.

@@sekichdawn3913 that, too.

Well not only that but she also caught him with Jane Seymour on his lap a couple hours before she lost the baby.

And many women defied those odds and refused to simply accept their lot. Like Marilyn Monroe said, "well behaved women rarely make history".

Nope

@@Elly3981 she never said that

@@idontgiveafaboutyou Yes, she did.

@@Elly3981”many” didnt for centuries. Dont blame women who had ambitious fathers and brothers and uncles for their fates.

Church always has big Influence

@@winniedhaouadi1973 as it should

@@heartofjesusdj AS IT DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T!!! ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND DEMONIC!! CHURCH OFFICIALS CLAIMING TO BE SO HIGH AND MIGHTY.. VESSELS IN WHICH "THE LORD SPEAKS THROUGH, SPEAKING IN TONGUES AND PREACHING ON HOW WE "SHOULD BE LIVING; AND "VOCALLY AND VERBALLY" UTTERING rehearsed and animated sermons; ALL THE WHILE committing the exact sins, and disgusting bottom feeding BEHAVIORS, that they are TELLING US IS SINFUL AND WRONG!!!! TALK ABOUT BEING A FXXIN BIGOT AND DISGRACEFUL AND DISHONORABLE LIAR AND POS!! I WAS RAISED ROMAN CATHOLIC; AND HAVE COMPLETED THE SEVEN SACRAMENT; I AM NOW AT 43 YEARS OLD, no longer religious.. but extremely spiritual!!! I believe in Good energies, A CREATOR AND KARMAS, AS WELL AS THE POWER OF THE WORD AND SPEAKING AND THINKING THINGS INTO EXISTENCE!!! READ THE BOOK OF ENOCH AND LEARN THE TRUTHS

is there any actual written report that he told her those exact words? and besides that, even if he told her to go ahead with the King, if Anne rlly didnt want to do it , she wouldnt. she was already in good hands just being at the court, she had some sort of indepedence there where she could have her chance of meeting some other noble gentleman and make her life. and im pretty sure she did try to catch Henrys attention in various ways. it wasnt purely coincidental that he noticed her or decided to make advancements to her. she had been raised in the french court and had surely learned the ways of subtle flirting. sure her family played a role in her up bringing, but the choice was always there for her, to keep a low profile and live a peaceful life at court, while trying to secure a noble man closer to her standing.

Many a father in royal court.

You realize it happened over and over with each subsequent wife being pushed by male relatives in the court, yes? 😂

​@@riateor2243it did not work that way back then. A woman was first the PROPERTY of her father. If she married she was then the PROPERTY of her HUSBAND. If he died, her in-laws and father battled for which one she was the property of. Women COULD NOT HOLD LAND IN THEIR OWN NAME. Everything a woman brought to a marriage from HER family became her HUSBAND'S property. If he died, her property was split between the elder male of her birth family and the in-laws. Women HAD NO AGENCY. Anne was the FIRST noble woman to be granted property IN HER OWN NAME that was not tied to marriage or her father/brother. PERIOD. That in itself elevated Anne as a PIONEER. In addition, many people forget that the reason Henry married Jane was that she was COMPLIANT and would not challenge Henry. She QUICKLY became pregnant and died from a uterine infection (usually from dirty instruments or retained placenta at the tine) and thus died shortly after the marriage. Anne of Cleves started the rehabilitation of the princesses but Kat Howard did nothing to advance it. Katherine Parre wad THE person who brought Henry's daughters back to court. And SHE was nearly arrested for heresy herself. She just outlived the king.

Whoever and whatever impressive situations Anne may have been associated with does not make her exempt from what negative things she associated herself with; scandal and deception. She tried to rise up in that manner and it was her downfall.

Lmao those are utter bullshit

Lmfao..there are only 150.cases of diagnosed mcclouds in a population of 8.5 billion...chances are not

@@mcmag888 I hope you haven’t been reading the trash that Philippe Gregory puts out. She mixed up Anne and her sister who was also at the French court. The sister was the one who earned the nickname the “English Mare”. Catherine d’Medici was one of the two Anne was Lady in Waiting for. Researchers pointed out that Anne couldn’t have done what was negative things claimed as the timelines weren’t correct.

@@sislertx McLeod’s Syndrome is a genetic disorder so the rate will be very low and that it does effect the rH factors that can cause miscarriages has been shown as well the degradation to the body. It’s an X chromosome transmitted disorder, very rare and would follow a family line with indications that it came through his maternal grandmother.

Why is she better than her daughter??

I whole heartedly agree.

Except for the systematic torture and abuse of the Princess Mary.

Elizabeth I is my fave female in history so far…she defied the odds and mastered the game with everything she had.

@@CountessKittenOh stfu. She was only there for less than 3 years during which Mary was sent away as was Aragon…you’re relying on propaganda by Catholic members of court who also claimed Anne had 6 fingers (spoiler: she didn’t.) I’m speaking as a Catholic: Spanish and other ambassadors said whatever they could to feed anti-Anne and anti-Protestant sentiment as much as they could including claiming she was picking on a princess they held in affection.

You really ought to read books to get your information, and not rely on silly documentaries like this one. It missed the central reason why Henry’s annulment was refused by the Pope! He was under house arrest by Charles V, the Holy Roman Emperor who was also Katherine of Aragon’s nephew, so there was no way he would have been free to grant Henry’s request. Had this not happened, Henry wouldn’t have used the title, “Defender of the Faith,” which he was granted by the Pope for writing a stinging treatise against Martin Luther. The only documentary I have seen where this is mentioned is one by David Starkey, but I had already read about it elsewhere.

@voraciousreader3341 I know all that, why, and how the Church was created. I was complimenting some information that is normally left out. I don't need a history lesson or to be told to read more. Honey, I am 70 years old and have read plenty and continue to do so. If I want to compliment someone's style and a different approach to a subject, that's my Prerogative. I bid you good day.

Anne’s multiple miscarriages haven’t been spoken about as much as Katherine’s which is surprising. Like you, I have read many biographies and the miscarriages are barely touched upon. The only one talked about was the one before her execution.

Not to mention Elizabeth ruled for 45 years and there was never a Tudor male on the throne again! Talk about irony.

@@jenameagher5712 I've been told that one or two U.S presidents are descended from Mary Boleyn too.

Lol you’re one of those beta males that things women are to be believed right ?

Actually, both CoA and AB had sons but they were all either still-born or died in infancy.

I agree 💯

And kept her head about it lol 🤣🤣🤣

Women do like power!

So funny but so true

Henry and Anne both deserve the slander in their own ways

Henry VIII is very much vilified. Anne is slandered for being the "other woman."

Sort of like the sexual abuse scandal should have had the same effect, but did not. They are here to stay.

@@KO-ov6kg You should look up Protestant molestations. Sounds weird? Because it is. Protestant can marry yet they molest at almost the same rate as Catholic Priests. How do we know? Insurance companies paying out huge molestation claims. I dare you to look it up.

This needs 10x upvotes

Perfect summation.

I agree with you one hundred percent

You're right. Anne Boleyn was not a nice person either but she still didn't deserve to die the way she did. And even if Anne wanted, could she have refused King Henry's advances and proposals?

Agreed!

you're not very intelligent if you blame the woman and not the man for his mistakes.

That has nothing to do with the man, only the expectation of the mob

I think the comparison was not regarding their treatment of women, but their age, their body type, big and brooding, and their renaissance mindsets. They were LOADS alike. The historians know better than you, sorry

@@CountessKitten Your statement could apply to millions of men of that time. Men of the Renaissance are generally going to have a Renaissance mindset. These two men were hardly alike in temperament. Henry was a cruel monarch beheaded wives and courtiers frequently. Francis hardly beheaded anyone.

Her daughter being queen had nothing to do with Anne. It was Mary's grace. Had Mary wanted to execute Elizabeth. She would have done so, and there would have been no Queen Elizabeth 1. Despite their differences Mary seemed to have some affection towards Elizabeth as her sister.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your precious baby, absolutely heartbreaking 😥💔

Absolutely this hasn’t changed much at all. Shameful and sickening. cough cough Johnny depp 🙄

@@jaded3333 Nope, Amber ruined Johnny or tried to

Yes, so true because it happened to me !!

Through which husband?

@@hannahpeters2504 Mary Boleyn 1504-1534 wife of 14th great-grandfather Sir Knight William Carey Esq 1495-1528 Husband of Mary Boleyn Catherine Carey 1524-1568 Daughter of Sir Knight William Carey Esq Lettice Knollys 1543-1634 Daughter of Catherine Carey Penelope Lady Rich, Duchess of Devonshire 1563-1607 Daughter of Lettice Knollys Ruth Devonshire 1625-1694 Daughter of Penelope Lady Rich, Duchess of Devonshire Gideon Tilghman 1652-1720 Son of Ruth Devonshire Gideon Tilghman 1682-1770 Son of Gideon Tilghman John Tillman 1705-1809 Son of Gideon Tilghman Mary Catherine Tillman 1744-1833 Daughter of John Tillman Catharine Catherine Katie Katy Loy 1771-1856 Daughter of Mary Catherine Tillman Jacob Albright 1753-1822 Son of Catharine Catherine Katie Katy Loy Lewis Alexander ALBRIGHT 1846-1908

I didn't include further down my lineage to protect privacy of living relatives; Lewis Alexander was my 3rd great grandfather

@@midwestern925 you should because queen Elizabeth 2rd and Diana may be in your lineage

Anne did not split up the marriage. She had no power to do that. Henry ended his marriage to Catherine. I love how women are blamed for men’s evil deeds…. Still happens all the time today.

Not in squalor.. Not even a little.. Alone perhaps, disgraced, perhaps, but not in squalor.

​@@smilodon87she absolutely had HUGE HANDS in splitting the marriage. ARE YOU JOKING ??

If Anne wouldn't had been the next woman Henry had took another one and so on and on till he would get his desperately craved son. Catherine of Aragon had never a chance. But! The problem of Henry was that Catherine was a daughter of a famous queen and was a witness that women are absolutely able to be very successful as a female ruler. Therefore why she should bow to his wish of divorce.

That' s the chilean flag.

When queens were considered dishonorable they destroyed their paintings like they never existed.

I read that it was because he ordered paintings of her removed to erase her from history

We can and should judge Henry as the monster he truly was.

It was an accepted fact that Kings have mistresses. It was considered okay for men of any station birth. But who dares to question a king with absolute power and the self-entitlement that goes with that

@Marianne's Art Corner true!

It's not even that he was large, it's more that he was a dick!

That's what I've always wondered. And apparently got away with it and I wonder how

Henry wasn’t obese at this point

Good point!

I'm from USA whats wrong with learning about this??

What are you even talking about? They were all white.

At the end of the day it was the King that wanted to end his 20 yr marriage due to no son being born. Without the king's consent there wouldn't have been any Queen Anne Boleyn

I go back and forth on this…if the king wants you, what choice do you have but go with it? But if she chased him, I too find empathy difficult to conjure up for Anne…in the end, she didn’t deserve what she got and that’s tragic. What a monster Henry VIii was.

Very short sighted view......she was tool of her family first and foremost, and the power gained by them from being the favoured bed companion of the king. Her biggest problem was that she was far more intelligent than Henry and had her own mind and views, which when dealing with a very insecure (remember his father was a no one usurper and there was still plenty of people with greater claim to the crown still living to threaten the Tudor dynasty), not too intelligent king was a huge mistake at this time in history. So please understand the history and politics of the time before making such a judgemental comment or even better do not make comments at all.

To be fair, she wouldn't have had much of a choice in being his love interest....you don't say no to a king. No one does.

I would have opted for the nunnery...

Seriously?

Why would you think that?

Weren't thet all????😂😂

Really dude?

@@rubyc5664 no kidding.

"love" aka money and lust.

@@Charless_Martel she got her wealth after her family death not from her husband

Honestly, it's not about how "smart" they were around marriage and life at court, both women didn't seem to have much of a choice. Mary, when she had an affair with Henry, still married to Catharine of Aragon at that point, and Anne, because saying no the King was seen as high treason, especially around marriage proposals. Anne did believe she was marrying for love too. The King was head over heels for her for nearly a decade before her failure to produce a male heir blindsighted their happiness in Henry's eyes. Furthermore, at least the second time Mary no longer attended court, it was due to her secretive marriage, not gaining permission from her own sister before the ceremony was held, and due to the pregnancy Mary flaunted at Court, enraging Anne, possibly because the Queen was growing more anxious about the lack of sons she had given the King. So maybe you're right, but I definitely think that both women thought what they were doing was right, and was for love.

I think you are right about that, Mary died tragically. If she had been able to marry earlier European History would turned out different. I think Henry was such a terrible person! He delighted in corrupting women.

And her descendant Elizabeth II is on the throne... So well done Mary ♥️

That line gave me goosebumps!

NO !!! They were even MORE STUPID, and GREEDY, then Their whole Family !!!

every time she was on screen, I kept saying "Icon"

That is literally a womans life in a nutshell. Of course, for them it was astronomically magnified. Also, I absolutely LOVE documentaries with people that radiate such passion for the very thing they are talking about. They are a joy to watch.

Everyone, make of female, used what they had, and ran the risks of being punished for it if they did it too well. One could argue that an ambitious woman ran the same risks as an ambitious man in Henry's court - it's called "equality"!

Everything you said plus blood types not being compatible.

It was believed that Henry was suffering from syphilis which was easily transmitted via intercourse. The medical school at Edinburgh did a study on this topic.. Syphilis is a pretty corrosive disease, especially on the female reproductive system. A statistic; "Syphilis in pregnant women can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, or the baby's death shortly after birth. Approximately 40% of babies born to women with untreated syphilis can be stillborn or die from the infection as a newborn."

@@abbagailmarie9874 yes indeed. I agree. Sadly for the women and babies. 😢

Also on a different channel they mentioned that since the women gave birth to girls first that extra pressure was added onto them and their lives would have changed in means of what they ate to who they had around them all day and they were reminded in a negative way everyday that they would be killed if they didn’t produce a male quickly. So the stress from that can cause miscarriages and add the possibility of a std. The women really never had a chance.

Henry and Catherine of Aragon had a son first, named Henry, sadly he died 52 days into his short life. Next, Mary Tudor was born. Imagine if his son had survived…

Yes, I agree. Anne Boleyn absolutely did not deserve to have what happened to her, a brutal execution on trumped up charges, but I don't find her all that likeable. She had an undeniable influence on Henry, especially in the early days of their relationship and I wish she had tried to steer him into being a more compassionate type of King. However, if she'd had done this, she'd not have insisted on marriage and the King's Great Matter wouldn't have happened the way it did.

Henry is far more guilty of treating Mary despicably than Anne, because, at the end of the day... Henry was the KING. NOTHING happened without his consent or approval (and if it did, that was treason and you lost your head). Anne may have made the suggestions, but unless Henry had agreed and given Anne the authority to act, what exactly could she do? Besides, Henry COULD have declared that, whether she was a bastard or not, Mary was STILL his child, and would be respected and treated as such. But, he didn't. As for celebrating Catherine of Aragon's death, again - if Henry had said "no party" there would have been no party. But... he didn't. In fact, he was far more vocal than Anne in expressing happiness and relief over Catherine's demise. Even AFTER Anne was dead, it took the cajoling of Jane Seymour to make Henry treat Mary with ANY sort of kindness - and that only AFTER she signed documents affirming she was illegitimate. Anne may not have been wholly innocent in what happened to Mary (at the very least, she was guilty of complicity, because it's very likely that she knew Mary was mistreated, and she did nothing to correct it), but blaming Anne for everything was merely an excuse to absolve Henry of culpability.

@@TrippingGraceYou’re missing the point..no one is claiming Henry was a good person, everyone is claiming Anne Boleyn was. People claim Anne was a innocent victim of Henry, that she was just a good woman who had no choice. If Anne really was such a good person, innocent and had no part, she wouldn’t treat a child like that. Yes Henry is trash, but Anne Boleyn wasn’t the innocent girl who had no choice but to be with Henry. All the other wives of Henry treated his children with kindness, Anne was the only one to treat Mary bad. Anne didn’t deserve what happened to her but im sick of people acting like she was a saint. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Yes, and i believe, somewhere, somehow, in Henrys colluded mind, he seen this witnessed this and It sickened him, hence, one more thing that led to her ultimate demise.

​@@TrippingGraceyou're wrong though. She caused the whole deal regarding Mary. In every way she stomped her feet, and put a huge wedge between Henry and Mary. Period

Woman were objects and blamed for many things we now know to be the man’s fault

pretty sure that sleeping around with a french king and then becoming king Henry’s mistress RIGHT after getting married to her then husband is quite risky…

Oh boy…

It's kind of ironic that Henry was absolutely devastated that he had two daughters who he considered couldn't be heirs to the throne only to have them be two of the most powerful women in English royal history.

@Mavis they had to guard their power more jealousy. Prove their strength. Doesn’t make it right but I bet that’s one reason they were so ruthless.

It's likely he did love her in the beginning. His panic for her when she caught the searing sickness shows that.

One of history's greatest ironies.

What did she ever do?

agree, love the fact that all in the video , talking, were females

Shouldn't make a difference.