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Some say the flagships have overstayed their welcome and should take a break. I did some research to find out if they are right.
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@frostdragonheart2500
@frostdragonheart2500 2 года назад
I am definitely going to make another video like this after Sunbreak!
@SpadeApeiron
@SpadeApeiron 2 года назад
I like Zinogre and Barioth ~ their design is so metal.. but i love their Counters Stygian Zn & frost fang. I think me despite only playing World + Ice _ Rise. I'm bored with same og narga altho i'd love to see its variants.. Stygian Zn really felt on par with Savage Deviljho coz they're hard hitting and fast. they gave best satisfaction of killing compared to regualr top teir non elder drags
@dygouken
@dygouken 2 года назад
Looks like 4th gen got a lot of love for the expansion
@frostdragonheart2500
@frostdragonheart2500 2 года назад
@@dygouken Indeed. Love to see it!
@_Tzer
@_Tzer Год назад
Should you mention apex forms from 4u? Not many monsters got those and they do change the moveset of the monsters a few of the mascots here got them one of really high note being zinogre.. i swear there's some favortism going on.
@Rageouz
@Rageouz 2 года назад
Man I miss Monoblos so much, I find his design and lore alot more interesting than Diablos, the term "Proof of a Hero" has its origin in Monoblos with Kokoto chief before the guild was established managed to slay a monoblos on his own and nowadays Hunters try to replicate it and solo a monoblos inorder to proof themselves a hero. So in short Monoblos has been done dirty for how important and meaningful it is
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Wow, I never knew this, that's really cool!
@karlo134652
@karlo134652 2 года назад
Thats how you get the Chiefs weapon in the back of the house right?
@ShatteredGlass916
@ShatteredGlass916 2 года назад
The thing is Diablos have become 'too famous' that if they try to removed Diablos, some fans will complain. Yet the 2 way too similar, both have a more brute-style fighting method, both have not only the same skeleton, but also identical design, both even inhabits the same sandy or desert habitat and have the same cactus-based diet, so there's a risk of 'redundancy'. Unless if they wanna make them both have a complete different traits aside from the amount of horns
@draw2death421
@draw2death421 2 года назад
Diablos is way more iconic than Monoblos so i doubt that will happen unless capcom changes the fight somehow to be more unique.
@Tarionism
@Tarionism 2 года назад
Hm. This makes me want a monoblos deviant
@Krescentwolf
@Krescentwolf 2 года назад
This is the same basic problem that fighting games run into with long running series and iconic characters. Fans scream that they're bored of the same characters over and over. Then those same fighting games do a 'new generation' release. And almost ALL of them stumble and fall. People don't end up getting attached to a whole new cast when the oldie goldies aren't around. That's why pushing a few new 'characters' along side a stable of popular returners became the norm. It's what most fighting games do. It's what MH does too.
@frostdragonheart2500
@frostdragonheart2500 2 года назад
That's a good way to look at it. Personally I just never get tired of the flagships, they're all so good!
@bok4822
@bok4822 2 года назад
I feel the same way. However, having too huge of a roster appearing in every single game will make that roster eventually go stale. Rathian and Rathalos are fine to have in every single game, they have always told me that "yes, this is indeed MH". Swapping the other monsters out for new ones should happen soon though. When meeting the same 10 monsters in every single game, they will go stale from lack of variation.
@Yoshihara72
@Yoshihara72 2 года назад
While this is a great lesson indeed, I'd argue that it's not exactly applicable in this situation. In fighting games, the characters are controlled by the player. Removing a playable character from a fighting game is the equivalent of removing a weapon in Monster Hunter. Yes, the game is still playable, but if you main only one specific character, this will heavily impact the player. And depending on the player and your options, you might not be able to properly enjoy the game anymore. Compared to that, having a monster or removing one is more comparable to removing a track in mario kart. Baby Park is peak Mario Kart track design, but I can still absolutely enjoy any mario kart games that don't have baby park in it.
@Yoshihara72
@Yoshihara72 2 года назад
​@@blastimbre Well, personally I do feel it to be very similiar. In Monster Hunter specifically, fighting different Monsters changes how you approach the combat. You can go more aggressive, or might need to be more methodically and patient, depending on the monsters moveset. This is also very similiar to how different tracks in racing games work. Baby Park is very simple in it's track design (cant get any more simple than that), but very chaotic when it comes to item usage. In this map, your driving performance isn't as important as your awareness of your surrounding and item usage (no matter how much of a lead you have as the first place, you still have to deal with other people using stars, bullets and the like). On the other hand, Cloudtop Cruise will require much more of your driving skills to dodge the traps and exploit the various shortcuts and benefits the map has to offer. The monsters in Monster Hunter Games have a similiar effect to the player. A Rakna-Kadaki serves mostly as a punching bag (at least to me), so I can go all out with performing great combos and maximizing my damage output, but then comes an Apex Zinogre (electro doggo on crack) and I'm forced to adapt more of a hit-and-run playstyle. Wether or not you do agree with that comparison though won't change my initial point I tried to make: Removing playable characters in a Fighting game is definitely not the same (gameplay wise at least) to removing Monsters in a Monster Hunter game. But if you do have a better comparison/example regarding the monsters (and Mario Kart tracks), feel freel to share it with me :D Edit: I would like to mention that, for me at least, having a track I do love in a new Mario Kart track is similiar to fighting an older Monster in a newer Monster Hunter game. Yes, there are different nuances, but the idea is mostly the same.
@xenostra
@xenostra 2 года назад
The issue with this comparison is that's a fighting game. Theyte characters not monsters. Monsters dont have a personality or a character
@squidman3484
@squidman3484 2 года назад
My main issue with constantly reusing flagships is that they eat into design space that could be filled with a new new, more interesting monster. As much as I like chameleos, his absence in world led to the creation of vaal hazak, which while not one of my favorite designs, is something new that we hadn't really seen before
@JoelHernandez-tz3vk
@JoelHernandez-tz3vk 2 года назад
I always thought MHGU hammered to death the idea that there are an arbitrary amount of monsters slots. But then again this is coming from someone who only played 3 MH games to any significant capacity so far: MHFU, MHGU and MHWI.
@DecemberSeraphim
@DecemberSeraphim 2 года назад
In mhwi it was cool because you can experience them with a fresh look and fight, but in rise experiencing it again just got old real quick.
@camil3545
@camil3545 2 года назад
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Well it probably also has to do with carry-over, since older games could get away with porting monsters from previous games over with only some touch-ups, it wouldn't be as developer intensive to keep bringing back old monsters while still making new ones. it is more of an issue when making a bigger generational leap like with World where the jump in visual fidelity and changes to the game engine that would require a lot more work to bring back older monsters.
@DeMause
@DeMause 2 года назад
Personally I really liked Vaal Hazak, honestly preferred it over Chameleos.
@victory8928
@victory8928 2 года назад
I like both but I love chame more but I definitely get your point, wished they had swapped chame with Kush in World, so that it actually makes sense for them to be in the ancient forest design wise and so that we don’t have several elders just hogging the recess
@bluevern904
@bluevern904 2 года назад
Being honest, I’d let Zinogre rest so Lagiacrus could get more spotlight, feels like it got the short straw when talking about the Thunder Gen3 flagship
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I would love that as well, lagiacrus has definitely gotten the short end of the stick
@vocalcalibration8033
@vocalcalibration8033 2 года назад
My one qualm with Lagiacrus returning is he will be gimped. Lagi is my favorite momster in the entire series by a healthy amount and I simply don't think he's recovered from the loss of water combat. Even the new moves he got don't make up for his lost water moveset. I'd legit prefer to wait for underwater hunting to return before we bring back Lagi daddy.
@bluevern904
@bluevern904 2 года назад
I don’t think he’s in a bad spot, Royal Ludroth has recovered very well after Rise despite being a mainly aquatic monster too, and Lagiacrus has the advantage of being able to borrow attacks from a subspecies whose whole concept is adapting to land combat
@vocalcalibration8033
@vocalcalibration8033 2 года назад
@@bluevern904 I must respectfully disagree, I actually find the modern Royal Ludroth to be quite bland far as his fight goes. Likewise for ivory Lagiacrus. But I suppose that's merely a matter of preference.
@billybimbo985
@billybimbo985 2 года назад
Zinogre is literally just a land lagiacurus
@RiftFishing
@RiftFishing 2 года назад
Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Charizard, I don't think it's going anywhere. But I definitely would love to see some of the less common monsters show up again, reworked and ready to shine. I love the flagship monsters, but seriously, shelf some of them for a game or two and let me get excited about the prospect of them showing up again.
@sevirakalau2171
@sevirakalau2171 2 года назад
I like it when they show up themtically you know? Where it makes SENSE for them to be where they are.
@topazshot88
@topazshot88 2 года назад
I'd more say Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Pikachu, but Zinogre is their Lucario, their Charizard, and their Incineroar all in one. Enough Zinogre already, please. You have other electric monsters.
@Trvgicx
@Trvgicx 2 года назад
I would say Rath is MH’s pikachu. Not too overly popular, but definitely kept in every game/gen. I heard someone call Zinogre is more of a charizard since he’s popular but I don’t think people are tired of the love it gets yet
@Trvgicx
@Trvgicx 2 года назад
@@topazshot88 oh hey we had the same comment basically
@DukeOnkled
@DukeOnkled Год назад
BRING BACK NIBELSNARF
@lubbo5261
@lubbo5261 2 года назад
With Astolos returning in Sunbreak theres a good chance we might have Steve also returning.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I really hope we get Steve, it's one of the monsters I want to return the most!
@TufanK93
@TufanK93 2 года назад
Whos Steve?
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
@@TufanK93 Apologies, Steve is a nickname given to Seregios. I honestly don't know why, but it is
@TufanK93
@TufanK93 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH oh i didnt know that 😅😂
@MOONWOLF7395
@MOONWOLF7395 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH it was cause at a panel or convention Steve was debuted the crowd ask for the monsters name. But capcom didn't have a name for it yet. So they jokingly said his name was Steve and it just stuck.
@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569
@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 2 года назад
I agree with the fact that some flagship overstayed their welcomes but Rathalos and Rathian should be in every Monster Hunter game for sure. For example, Zinogre is everywhere and in the few games he isn’t in everyone is acting as if this game is incomplete. They should try to bring more forgotten monsters like King Shakalaka or Hypnocatrice instead of constantly prioritizing fan favorites. (Especially King Shakalaka as they could do so much with him in a modern game)
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I have never foguht a King Shakalaka yet, so that would be pretty interesting, plus, I would love to see Shakalaka back
@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569
@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH They would fit well in Sunbreak because they are goblins!
@Clogmonger
@Clogmonger Год назад
Why not both? Lol zinogre doesn't take much effort to put in another game. More is better idk 🤷‍♂️
@pandinus1377
@pandinus1377 2 года назад
I liked what tri did cause it did kinda reset the board and introduce a ton new cool monsters that would become iconic later on. The fact tha now every new monster hunter feels like it HAS to carry over like already 10 or 15 monsters from previous games really hinders its potential and struggles more to make the new flagships as memorable cause they always have to compete with the older ones
@taloscal
@taloscal 2 года назад
tri did good but I do think it shaved the board a little 'too' much, if I recall there were only 18 big monsters with no variants, and with a bunch of weapons being cut (Gunlance, Dual Blades, Hunting Horn, Bow and longsword only being available 'after' you've beaten Lagi) it made the game feel kind of barebones, the aditions made in portable and Ultimate both combated this though.
@maddeeps5520
@maddeeps5520 Год назад
@@taloscal Actually in Tri GL, DB, HH, and Bow were flat out cut completely! The only extra weapon types you unlocked through progressing the story was the Switch Axe (which got its debut in Tri), and the LongSword. The rest of the weapons didn't come back till I believe Portable 3rd in Japan and 3U in the west
@taloscal
@taloscal Год назад
@@maddeeps5520 yeah that's what I meant, sorry I worded it wierdly XD you unlock the longsword and switch axe while the others were cut out.
@10kwithzerobitches20
@10kwithzerobitches20 2 года назад
I have infinite respect for the base game of Mhw for saying, “Im confident I will do well without all these monsters people love.” And it absolutely killed it Then Ib came around and said “We got Narga, we got glavenus, we got tigrex and brachy, and we all know how much you guys love the thunder dog” I still believe Ib is the pinnacle of the series, but it’s kinda obvious what they did with the flaghsips
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Yeah, Iceborne's roster was almost like MHGen 2.0 with all the returning fan favorites that were added.
@boneless8473
@boneless8473 2 года назад
World had some absolute standouts for sure, but it wouldn't be fair to ignore compared to other mid game monsters, anjanath is kinda boring tbh. He's a fire breathing t Rex, very aggressive, and that's more or less all. Beyond that he feels almost like a diet glavenus, complete with throat exploding and tail swings, though his use feathers not a sword.
@louzerk2662
@louzerk2662 2 года назад
I haven’t made up my mind in Iceborne is the pinnacle, but I can say that the inclusion of nargacuga and zinogre were disappointing to the extreme. I wanted new monsters, or old ones that I haven’t fought in a long time so their fights are fresh. I won’t get that with those flagships.
@onetoughpickl1729
@onetoughpickl1729 2 года назад
My one issue with iceborne is the alatreon fight. I feel like relying on gimmicks like escaton judgement takes away from the overall enjoyment. It forces you to use the same copy-paste safijiva build or kulve build in order to actually win. If they had made him more like his GenU counterpart, then iceborne would be without flaw in my opinion.
@onetoughpickl1729
@onetoughpickl1729 2 года назад
I don’t have a problem with meta gear but I just feel like it wasn’t necessary to force people to fashion armor builds for it. I have always been a more casual player, playing fashion hunter for the most part and worrying about builds later. It allowed me to play how It gave me freedom and any mistakes made were my fault so I adjusted as necessary. I feel like escaton judgement was interesting but the way it was implemented was kind of poor.
@Lunk42
@Lunk42 2 года назад
I just think that they need to add more new monsters rather than the old ones. If they can do that then bringing the old ones back is fine to me.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
This is fair, I do love seeing me some new monsters!
@Lioleusu
@Lioleusu 2 года назад
Rathalos should appear in every single Monster Hunter game Also steve is underused
@frostdragonheart2500
@frostdragonheart2500 2 года назад
I agree 100% on both of these!
@MOONWOLF7395
@MOONWOLF7395 2 года назад
Good ol steve
@thecorruptedgamer7032
@thecorruptedgamer7032 2 года назад
I highly doubt Rathalos won't appear in every game that will be like a Pokemon game without pikachu
@Lioleusu
@Lioleusu 2 года назад
@@thecorruptedgamer7032 i agree
@-siranzalot-
@-siranzalot- 2 года назад
Steve will be back in a few weeks though! :)
@DTPandemonium
@DTPandemonium 2 года назад
I wouldn't really count the expansions as seperate games. This makes it so you realise for example nargacuga has only been missing in MH4 and Diablos is in every game. In the complete package of all games they are almost always present.
@reaper4812
@reaper4812 Год назад
I like the fact that you used both pronunciations of Tigrex. As a person who met him in MHFU and stuck to the “T-Rex” approach instead of the “Tiger” one, it made me feel more welcomed in a community where EVERYONE CALLS HIM “TIE-GREKS”
@jimbo8926
@jimbo8926 2 года назад
Here's a weird one, Lagombi. He appears in p3rd and 3u, then was the only bear to appear in 4/4u, then even picked up a deviant in gen/gu, he skipped world but came back in rise. I think he has the best record of all non flagships besides deviljho, and even he missed a game. Wonder why he's so prevalent, must be really popular in japan.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Nice example, Lagombi certainly does show up a ton in these games, for better or worse, and it's interesting considering it doesn't seem too important, per se.
@Martin-yh7vi
@Martin-yh7vi 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH I feel like Lagombi is a good beginner monster that adds variety to the type of monsters available.
@draw2death421
@draw2death421 2 года назад
What about Diablos? Hes been in MH1, MH2, MH3, MH4, MHGen, MHWorld, MHRise, MH Stories and MH Stories 2. Hes been in every single game exept in Base MH4 but he was in 4 Ultimate still.
@jimbo8926
@jimbo8926 2 года назад
@@draw2death421 Diablos wasn't actually in vanilla Gen, only added in GU, but yeah he's super common , though missing 4 and gen actually makes his record equal to lagombi so far. He's kind of treated as a pseudo flagship, even promoted to a full one with bloodbath so I figure that's why he comes back a lot.
@ThePigKnight
@ThePigKnight 2 года назад
I love chubby bunny 🐰
@saurianfan7102
@saurianfan7102 2 года назад
I think you should’ve given special attention to a certain few other monsters. Namely, the ones that I like to call, The Invader Trio! Rajang, Deviljho, and Bazelguese!
@dripdimetrodon4391
@dripdimetrodon4391 2 года назад
And the original trio diablos rathalos and rathian should keep appearing
@_Tzer
@_Tzer Год назад
@@dripdimetrodon4391 it was a quadrio everyone forgets about poogie.
@kinkykoala7870
@kinkykoala7870 4 месяца назад
@@dripdimetrodon4391 I'm so sick of diablos tbh. They could totally give monoblos or any other monster like gammoth the "raging brachy or amatsu treatment" where they totally got a complete makeover in their fight and spectacle. Just my opinion tho
@officerhonks6278
@officerhonks6278 2 года назад
Another thing of note is that Zinogre was the only fanged wyvern until 5th gen, I think he was a great addition for a long time because of the variety he brought but with more monsters in the category now he should take a seat for a game. The monster I've been really tired of is brachy, he steals the spotlight from a lot of other brute wyverns and he hasn't gotten a break in a long time, I'm hopeful to not see him in sunbreak. Outside of those two I'm not really tired of any flagships.
@frostdragonheart2500
@frostdragonheart2500 2 года назад
Indeed. As much as I love both of them, it's hard to defend them when they've both been in so many of the Monster Hunters.
@drunkennephilim2995
@drunkennephilim2995 2 года назад
I feel like they only come back for weapon balancing purposes, we historically havent had many blast weapons and when it comes to thunder the only good weapons are Lagis and Zinogres and it seems like the dev team dont like Lagi all that much, either that or they dont want to use Lagi cause they cant really implement Abyssal.
@liothetitanhunter7959
@liothetitanhunter7959 2 года назад
I feel you For Fanged Wyverns, I feel they're lizards like the Great Jagras I saw that first before Zinogre, and I never knew they were made in the 3rd generation So I'm happy MHW IB has plenty of Fanged Wyverns, however I wish Odogaron returned in rise instead of Tobi Because he's abused by 3 monsters Odo would pick a fight with almost any monster, imagine if Odo had a similar fight with Magno like Luna and Garan, but Magno wins because of Hellfire
@camil3545
@camil3545 2 года назад
Zinogre was technically the only Fanged Wyvern (excluding Stygian), in terms of skeleton re-use, there are also the Magalas.
@liothetitanhunter7959
@liothetitanhunter7959 2 года назад
@Plain Water the only 2 brutes with their variants in mh4u I was sad there were only 2 of them Fortunately a few years later I had a dream Uragaan was in it His intro was him eating rocks inside a shed and as soon as he saw your character in the game, he got angry and roared ready for a fight
@reallargefungus4555
@reallargefungus4555 2 года назад
Gore magala would be a perfect DLC monster for a mh game because it would separate him from the main story and allow him to take the reigns for an endgame system
@EmperorSigismund
@EmperorSigismund 2 года назад
Part of having the same monsters in the game over and over again is that the balance of elements ends up following a very similiar path every single game. Personally I just want want a game that focuses on all of the weird under represented monster types like neopterons, carapaceons, temnocerans, amphibians, piscines and snakes.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I would love to see some more snake wyverns, all we have is Najarala and Tidal Najarala. At least in rise we got a new temnoceron with Rakna Kadaki
@alduinthetyrant5225
@alduinthetyrant5225 2 года назад
I would love to see snake wyverns make their return in sunbreak. They could do some cool stuff with them coiling around you requiring wirebugs to escape from.
@alduinthetyrant5225
@alduinthetyrant5225 2 года назад
@@gamecavalier3230 Snake wyverns are a class of wyverns possessing a snake-like body structure. As far as I know, najarala and tidal najarala are the only snake wyverns right now.
@alduinthetyrant5225
@alduinthetyrant5225 2 года назад
@@gamecavalier3230 I didn't know about them either them until playing GU recently. It's a cool skeleton that I'd love to see return for a new monster.
@alduinthetyrant5225
@alduinthetyrant5225 2 года назад
@@gamecavalier3230 I'm close to hitting G-rank myself. You've got plenty of good stuff to look forward to.
@PraiseChika
@PraiseChika 2 года назад
The fact the flagship monsters keep returning is actually what drives the new monsters to keep having creative designs. You won't make a knockoff Rathalos if he's already in the game. That's why Seregios has so many fast sweeping attacks and Astalos will just punch you across the map, there is a need to make them different. The same people wanting to bench these are probably the same people that think Radobaan and World Lavasioth are unique fights.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
When I saw Radobaan for the first time, the only thing I could think about was how sad I was there was an uragaan clone. While obviously not the same exact fight, the similar properties are there
@pandinus1377
@pandinus1377 2 года назад
This really doesnt make sense cause even if they were gone new monsters would take their place and they wouldnt nexessarily have to be similar, like bazelgeuse becoming the new deviljho or athal ka becoming the new final boss. The fact that you want both and not just one of the other just ends up giving less resources to the new monsters since they also need to bring back every fan favourite one
@PraiseChika
@PraiseChika 2 года назад
@@pandinus1377 that's pretty dumb why would a flagship monster replace atlal ka? You really think having Nargacuga prevents that?
@pandinus1377
@pandinus1377 2 года назад
@@PraiseChika its an example not literal, im saying that if a monster gets cut for a game its replacement is usually something original or different and not straight up the same thing
@camil3545
@camil3545 2 года назад
@@pandinus1377 well something like Bazel and Jho have comparable roles as invaders but fight you in very different ways, Monsters that would replace/block each other from appearing would be more like the Khezu/Gigginox or the recently revealed Almudron Subspecies/Agnaktor (assuming Agnaktor doesn't appear, which is the assumption due to the recent subspecies reveal)
@vocalcalibration8033
@vocalcalibration8033 2 года назад
I like a lot of these momsters, but I wouldn't mind Diablos or Zinogre taking a break once in a while, just to make room for some fresh blood. Obviously the Raths have to say because... well, because they're the Raths, but others can take a day or two off me thinks.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I feel the exact same way
@confusedcephalopod3496
@confusedcephalopod3496 2 года назад
Zinogre is an evergreen monster for me cause it’s moveset always gets slight changes and it’s very varied however I’m tired of tigrex and rathalos and narga, their weapons and armor have always been great but it just lets people rely on grinding those specific monsters for good gear. I’d literally just split their armor abilities onto lesser fought monsters to incentivize their fights or unique new monsters.
@Haimi-fv5xj
@Haimi-fv5xj 2 года назад
Nooo not tigrex. You can't take him from me. You don't know him how I do. Tigrex is not up for debate. Good day sir
@Ritsu362
@Ritsu362 2 года назад
Those monsters are honestly too iconic and unique to not be included. Tigrex has a cool design and while Nargacuga is more tame, the way he moves and the sounds they make are unique enough. Same for Zinogre. If anything, they kinda show how tame some new monster designs are in MHW when compared to new comers
@victory8928
@victory8928 2 года назад
Eh, Zinoger’s bowgun weapons have been op/ very good in a lot of the recent games. Stygian and Zinoger in world were the top of spread hbg till safi and Fatty and Zin was the second best but the most versatile pierce hbg in GU and in rise it is the best slicing gun. But yeah rath keeps getting the best armour of the lot to my dislike
@victory8928
@victory8928 2 года назад
@@Ritsu362 tame? Like have you seen Rakna? Or shara. Honestly Tigrex is plain, he is a simple fight and that is often the charge of him. Narga is more agile and takes attacks in a different route and while Zin is zin you can’t tell me that monsters like Odo don’t have fun fights and really carry the mantle of fanged beast well
@Ritsu362
@Ritsu362 2 года назад
@@victory8928 anjanath: deviljho lite with a little fire Banbaros: deviljho except he’s fat and is actually a moose? Tobi kadachi was pretty cool except they reused him. orange tobi and red tobi and black tobi lol Jyuratadous- what if lavasioth/plesioth used mud instead? 😳 also the ice version whose name I forget. Legiana also looks kinda lame even if they have some cool ice attacks. Royal ludroth- I mean great jagras Also, Nergigante is a cool fight but he’s not as interesting as Velkhana or the other Elders Val Hazak was cool tho. Shara ishvalda is absolutely one of my favorite monsters. So crazy looking, I love it when they break the mold and look really weird, kinda like Nakarkos or Ibushi from rise. Namielle also looks cool with the way they fights. Honestly, the elder dragons were all mostly cool. It seems like half were kinda meh which isn’t usually the case when compared to newcomers in most other MH games Also, I say Odogaron has a subdued design but he’s pretty cool to fight the first time. Definitely one of my favorite fights when I first started
@Andyjoe522
@Andyjoe522 2 года назад
I have to say, I feel this a lot with the Gen 2 elder dragon trio. 4U was the first game I played with them in it, since I started the series with Tri, but MAN did 4U leave me feeling burned out on them with how many things needed large elder dragon gems for their final upgrade. And then at least two of the three have been part of the end game for every monster hunter since then. I like what Rise did with their fights, but even then I'm still kind of feeling the burnout from fighting them in so many games. I would genuinely be thrilled if the next Monster Hunter had fewer elder dragons in general, and rounded out its endgame with more rare subspecies of non-elders. There's a lot of really fun low-tier and mid-tier monsters that I would love to fight end-game versions of. I would genuinely have the time of my life if one of the hardest fights in a Monster Hunter game was some god-tier Great Jaggi subspecies. Give me a Great Jaggi rare subspecies that kicks my 24 year old, veteran hunter ass even more than the Tri demo disk Great Jaggi kicked my 12 year old noob ass.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I really love Rare Species, and they might be my favorite alternate form of monsters. I really wish Capcom would bring them back because they are absolutely amazing fights.
@bakublader1999
@bakublader1999 2 года назад
I share the same sentiment. I also started in tri and grinded out the endgame of mh4u, you needed elder dragon gems for literally everything and I got tired of them fast. Apex system made them even less bearable in mh4u, then in mhgen there were so many monsters to the point where I didn't have to farm them. Then came MHW and Kushala and teostra were back. again. I'm still playing Iceborne right now, but the amount of kushala and teostra hunted are almost the bare minimum I needed for armor. I'll do everything I can to not have to fight kushala again. Then the duo (because the most fun fight got taken out of games) appeared in mhrise. again. I'm getting real tired of them. Not only are they prominent, but they almost can't be ignored because elder dragons are such a big part of the endgame.
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 2 года назад
We need to bring back Dire Miralis and Gogmazios
@Andyjoe522
@Andyjoe522 2 года назад
Low and behold, if that Sunbreak road map is any sign it seems Capcom got the memo on rare species.
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 2 года назад
@@Andyjoe522 Woohoo Lucent!
@ThijsTrials
@ThijsTrials 2 года назад
I guess for nargacuga it's more the nargacuga meta that people are sick of rather than it appearing in multiple games. Especially with Rise where it felt rather useless to use any other weapon than nargacuga for it's sharpness, ofcourse it's only high rank but it still bummed me out that my favorite weapon designs couldnt get the great stuff narga's weapons have
@Paradox1012
@Paradox1012 2 года назад
Just watch , same things gonna happen with seregios
@ThijsTrials
@ThijsTrials 2 года назад
@@Paradox1012 Yeah, atleast the seregios weapons have awesome designs
@patrickleblanc613
@patrickleblanc613 2 года назад
Nargas weapons have almost always been top tier, or almost top tier since his first appearence in portable 2nd g/freedom unite. Having purple sharpness, decent slots, and high crit were well worth the tradeoff for a lil less in raw attack. Plus having purple sharpness and high crit could easily make up the difference in power. Also they eliminated the "need" for handicraft, often a very difficult skill to get. Steve weapons are similar, but have a bit more raw, less crit rate, and have a sharpening mechanic from dodging.
@ThijsTrials
@ThijsTrials 2 года назад
@@patrickleblanc613 So I'm not crazy for wanting a change in what's on top for once xD
@patrickleblanc613
@patrickleblanc613 2 года назад
@@ThijsTrials i wanna see them bring back some of the better diablos weapons. Cera cymmetry, diablos chaos broker to name a couple. But yeah, a change in the "meta" would be nice. Problem is, narga and steve weapons have a setup that makes them extremely reliable. With good positive crit rate and slots, the weapons are already good, but purple sharpness is the icing on the cake, especially since its one of the most coveted things to have on a weapon because of its modifiers. They would either need to either nerf the weapons, create even more reliable weapons with even more broken stats, or alternatively they could either adjust the current monsters defenses against raw damage or bring in new ones more resistant to it. Make them more susceptable to element damage. That could change things abit if done right. Now there are skills that can and will help other weapons combat and even excel narga and steve weapons in power and usefulness, problem is those weapons often need certain skills allocated to start getting the same result or better, such as having purple sharpness, good crit rate, meanwhile nargas and steve have all of that basic goodness built in, so they can focus on other skills to boost damage output instead. Such as crit boost and tenderizer. A constant uptime of 140% crit damage increase every hit instead of 125% is broken
@raiden-4316
@raiden-4316 2 года назад
To be honest, I don’t mind what happens to the rest of these, but rathalos just seems so iconic and such a good basic monster I don’t wanna see it gone
@liothetitanhunter7959
@liothetitanhunter7959 2 года назад
Dude, I've been thinking the same thing Let Rathalos, Rathian, Diablos, Kushala, Teostra, Tigrex, Nargacuga, and Zinogre, take a break As for the Lunastra, Hypnocatrice, Yama, Vespoid Queen, Shen Gaoren, Lagiacrus, Gobul, Agnaktor and Duramburos return a few more times Then let the Fated 5 come back too in Generation 6 and let there be more new monsters like MH Tri, only 3 returned and then MH3u, 5 original monsters were in it So I truly agree
@literallysafijiva
@literallysafijiva 2 года назад
Rathalos is literally the flagship of mh as a series... why take it out?!
@liothetitanhunter7959
@liothetitanhunter7959 2 года назад
@@literallysafijiva alright, then leave the Rathas alone But still take the other flagships out
@FlorkGnubbler
@FlorkGnubbler 2 года назад
@@liothetitanhunter7959 Fuck yeah let's re-introduce a bunch of monsters that require their own dedicated arena that don't overlap with other monsters, rely on features that don't exist in the game anymore or are literally vespoid but big
@liothetitanhunter7959
@liothetitanhunter7959 2 года назад
@@FlorkGnubbler yeah, Lavasioth got 3 mainline appearances in monster hunter So why not bring him back? Or at least the other 2 Piscine wyverns Even the Aka and Uka duo And last the Molten Tigrex, only 1 appearance
@xenostra
@xenostra 2 года назад
Fated 5????? Who's the 5th???
@Gayhan-
@Gayhan- 2 года назад
Jumbo Village theme. Thank you So much!! Monster Hunter 2 Dos lover here subscribed
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I found that theme and immediately thought it would sound amazing in the background, I love it
@MrMisterMisterMr
@MrMisterMisterMr 2 года назад
Not a flagship but still a monster I think is worth mentioning is Deviljho. He's been an iconic monsters since his introduction in Tri, serving as one of the main invader monsters that can appear in your quest at any given time. Since his appearance in Tri, Deviljho had been a mainstay of the franchise, appearing in every single mainline game until getting cut from the roster in Rise. On top of that, he has his variant, the Savage Deviljho which appeared in 3U, 4, 4U, Gens, GU, and IB. That being said, do I think he had overstayed his welcome? Not at all, because that's the point. The first lesson I taught my one friend when he first reached High Rank in 3U is to "always prepare for Deviljho," and that rule had stayed relevant ever since. Frankly, I'm disappointed his perfect attendance streak has ended with Rise. He could have been an actual invader as opposed to Rajang who mostly just sleeps when he's in a quest.
@DukeOnkled
@DukeOnkled Год назад
"Are you tired of seeing this face?" No. Absolutely not. I'm going to pet him.
@stormerjc9493
@stormerjc9493 2 года назад
I acutaly see to benefits to giving monsters that have been showing up alot such as diablos, Zinogre, Tigrex and the elders like teostra and kushala a break for a game or 2, The first benefit is it gives a chance to design and introduce new monsters to take their place and they could show of their creativity might even give a chance for a lot of frontier monsters to make the jump over. The other is that when these monsters do show up you will make a lot off people extremely happy seeing there fan favourites showing back up and it helps build hype think back to when iceborne was showing off the returning cast people got so happy and exited, You yeah I think it would be a good idea to give those monsters a break for a couple games might be good to mabye take ones like diablos and monoblos and have them swap places from game to game for variety
@Lockz1111
@Lockz1111 2 года назад
Alternatively they go the GU route and include almost everything, that's my personal vote, have more diversity in what you can fight and where in one game. Frontier also had that, just a huge assortment of greatly varied monsters
@stormerjc9493
@stormerjc9493 2 года назад
@@Lockz1111 well yeah my issue is that they show up in almost every game and it kind of takes away from the wow factor for me
@patrickleblanc613
@patrickleblanc613 2 года назад
As long as the monsters ai keeps getting better and their design keeps evolving, i dont mind seeing repeats. Just having them there does not take away from the creativity of new monsters. Nor should it. The more monsters the better. The only thing i dont care about is the low to lower-mid tier monsters. They can disappear for all i care. I have no love for the alpha versions of generic fodder-drome or drome similar species especially.
@fyuira9585
@fyuira9585 2 года назад
Nope. Because in every mh game the hunt feels different. My hunt with tigrex in fu is different in 4u and different in rise. Although it is fine to remove them for new monsters but still I hope that they will return for the next mh game.
@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ
@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ 2 года назад
3:24 I love how you have Chameleos icon be invisible just like he is during the other games with his constant camo. Amazing attention to detail right there!
@foxhounde
@foxhounde 2 года назад
Short answer: Nope Long answer: No. most flagships are among my favorite monsters. Zinogre and Tigrex will always have a place in my heart and every game they are in i love them
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
If there is one thing I want to see, it's to have Molten Tigrex reborn
@foxhounde
@foxhounde 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH Oh my god i would love that
@IceWolfAlphaheart7777
@IceWolfAlphaheart7777 2 года назад
Great vid as always! This was very informative and interesting. Tbh, most of the monsters actually seem to be ok in terms of overstaying their welcome. But I will say it would be kinda nice if Diablos could take a backseat for a while XD Also by any chance you two have Discord? Was wondering if you ever plan to make a server I could join :3
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Heh, yeah. They've already killed his streak of being in every MH in gen 4, but now we could use another break from him. Also, I added a link to our Discord in the description if you want to join it. It's nothing much at the moment as we haven't spent much time working on it yet, but we definitely intend to in the future!
@Kevin-rv8br
@Kevin-rv8br 2 года назад
9:24 really glad how that turned out
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 2 года назад
Rath gotta be there. He's not just a flagship, he defines the series.
@gryptor7753
@gryptor7753 2 года назад
the reason why Lunastra hasn't shown up in many monster hunter games is because in second gen lunastra was just an easier Teostra for the village quests. i don't know why they did this, but it is the reason if my sources are to believe. it was in world where Lunastra was made to be it's own fight with different moves and mechanics. So we are most likely to see more of her as we move forward in Monster Hunter games
@jahredharrison4069
@jahredharrison4069 2 года назад
This wouldn't be remotely a problem if the game by game roster hadn't been shrinking over the more recent generations. Literally who was complaining about seeing particular monsters too often before the Gen U to World transition and the roster getting decimated?
@ritten7452
@ritten7452 2 года назад
Mhwib has the same number of monsters as 4u (70). And rise has about half it's monsters out due to sunbreak not being released yet. It also has 41 btw in it's base game which is fairly large already. Idk what you mean by smaller roster. Nothings gonna be like genU. That was made specifically to have massive representation.
@jahredharrison4069
@jahredharrison4069 2 года назад
@@ritten7452 World had the smallest base roster since Tri and base rise has the smallest roster since portable 3rd. It's true that Iceborne added enough content over time that it came into line with recent non-generations performances but that was achieved over time considering 8 of those were added after the initial dlc. I don't necessarily think that it can be expected that Sunbreak will see as significant an increase, particularly without many of those monsters being added afterwards. Sunbreak is set to release almost half a year faster than Iceborne did, after all.
@AysarAburrub
@AysarAburrub 2 года назад
@@jahredharrison4069 world’s roster being smaller is very understandable due to the game being built from scratch and all the monsters being remodeled from scratch to have high poly count models to fit the home consoles and PC platforms higher graphical capabilities. Im sure moving forward the games will have larger rosters, as we can already see from Rise having 45 monsters in the base game.
@jahredharrison4069
@jahredharrison4069 2 года назад
@@AysarAburrub I understand and agree with that, but it is still a major factor in people getting tired of flagship monsters.
@ritten7452
@ritten7452 2 года назад
@@jahredharrison4069 Reguardelss of how long it took to get those monsters, my point was that the games have the same amount of monsters. The rosters arent smaller they just took time to add more.
@Diavolo989
@Diavolo989 2 года назад
Gore/Shagaru should definitely return, I think he deserves an HD model and modern animations/mechanics.
@eisschnee2649
@eisschnee2649 2 года назад
See lagi would've been in world, and also sunbreak but they've yet to figure out his collision issues due to his body touching far more ground surface than other leviathans. Fingers crossed that gen6 brings underwater back so the poor gator can return to the spotlight
@maddeeps5520
@maddeeps5520 Год назад
I feel like Lagi touches the ground just as much if not less than Mizutsune and Royal Ludroth so I don't think that's the problem. I'm thinking the issue is more likely something to do with his long neck behaving in strange ways or interfering with terrain or something
@AysarAburrub
@AysarAburrub 2 года назад
the fact that a monster as popular and as frequently present in all games as Diablos didnt make it in Generations of all games blows my mind lol
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I know right, it's crazy!!!
@t-poseanteaterthefirst8962
@t-poseanteaterthefirst8962 2 года назад
Well I think monsters like rathalos and rathian can stay since they are the face of the franchise. But I do kinda agree with the other ones
@kovanova9409
@kovanova9409 2 года назад
I personally like seeing them in the newer games. I just really want a nargacuga varient on par with raging brach in world and that theme.
@t.b.cont.
@t.b.cont. 2 года назад
I wanna see Gore Magala and Shagaru Magala make a return since mh4u was how I got into the series. Honestly there’s a lot of Gen 4 monsters I want to see make a return, like zamtrios, seltas, and malfestio
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
There are a lot of gen 4 monsters that haven't come back, and I am hopeful that some of them will either in Sunbreak or MH6
@thorveim1174
@thorveim1174 2 года назад
for me, dunno why but I really wish to see the Najarala again. That, or another "big snake" monster, which feels like its missing somewhat. And overall, more neopterons/temnocerans. Big creepy crawlies are great as an alternative to more lizards, dinos and dragons.
@Gamepwner1234
@Gamepwner1234 Год назад
I just wanna know what your armor set with the Mizu hood is, that's some prime drip
@jokig
@jokig 7 месяцев назад
Nargacuga is my all time favourite monster, but I was fine with not seeing him in 4U. When it comes to the the next game, I think I'd prefer if the returning monsters are mostly ones we haven't seen in the spotlight as much, my main hopes being some Tri monsters and Hypnocatrice.
@akiraamamiya4966
@akiraamamiya4966 2 года назад
I have no problem with almost any flagship monsters. Except rathalos. That thing can die in the most horrible, gruesome way imaginable and I wouldn't bat an eye about it
@Jason-fo5xu
@Jason-fo5xu 2 года назад
Honestly wouldn't mind mizutsune being present in all future games, the color theme sets it apart from the other monsters, and is honestly one of the most beautiful monster designs.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I would totally be fine with having Mizu in every game
@Elyakel
@Elyakel 2 года назад
did you have the link for the last soundtrack? ( the kamura orchestral, i can't find it and i really like the soundtrack like that :D)
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
If you are referring to the soundtrack from the outro, it is called "Flame of Peace". The specific segment you hear in the video starts at about the 2:15 mark. Here is a link to the soundtrack: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HKfh_OgZ1ag.html
@Elyakel
@Elyakel 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH thanks
@tucker579
@tucker579 2 года назад
Zinogre is my fav monster from MH franchise, so i dont mind he is in every single game, but i also would like some new monsters, some times it feels like they are using the old ones as a sorry excuse for not adding new ones Google translator kinda
@kurosan0079
@kurosan0079 2 года назад
The problem with the Magalas is its story/lore significance. I would love for it to make a return, but it needs to be significant in the story as well, without stealing the spotlight from the main game's flagship. It's impact is in a much larger scale, infecting monsters with the frenzy virus. If it ever does return, it would need to be a big event for it to actually shine.
@Andyjoe522
@Andyjoe522 2 года назад
I've been of the mind that when the Magalas do return, it should be as the stars of a title update. It would be an event that would take place after the game's main story, so no need to worry about overshadowing the new flagship and final boss elder dragon. You could throw in frenzied versions of a handful of monsters as build-up to fighting them.
@shikniwho7215
@shikniwho7215 Год назад
i won't mind too much if they add more variants with new move set, just like Coral Pukei-Pukei in Iceborn, the new water attack just make it likes i fight actual new monster instead of just something more aggressive and more HP.
@saltyhoneybunz1374
@saltyhoneybunz1374 2 года назад
ayo love this vid ❤
@JustJohn43
@JustJohn43 2 года назад
Nice video! Surprised when I saw your sub count! I don't mind returning Monsters, I believe all flagships have a right to return to future games, and I also have my list of Monsters I want to return
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
What monsters in particular do you want to see return?
@JustJohn43
@JustJohn43 2 года назад
I have lots of nostalgia for 3rd gen Monsters with Tri being my first entry. So this includes Lagiacrus, Quoropeco, Gigginox and Agnaktor. Gore Magala, as much as i'd like to bring him back, they'd need to make a big deal of it. This includes the frenzy, which was woven so nicely into the narrative of MH4U I feel just bringing him back would do him huge injustice. But I'm hugely surprised that Seltas and his Queen haven't made a return, especially now we can have more complex monster interactions. I always loved how these two worked together and was MH4U's funnest fights. And I think this has been said by many others before, but we have Glavenus... Mitzizune, Astalos on the horizon... Please complete the fated 4 with Gammoth and Glavenus in sunbreak... Thanks for asking :)
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
@@JustJohn43 My first game was technically tri, but I didn't truly start playing until 3U, so I completely agree with you on having 3rd gen nostalgia and missing some of those forgotten monsters. I also share the same sentiment with you about Gore Magala, if he were to come back, the frenzy virus would need to play an important role otherwise it would seem forced
@bruhmoment3536
@bruhmoment3536 2 года назад
Magala finally is back in the sunlight let's goo
@linkachu1000
@linkachu1000 2 года назад
What is the armor being worn against narga at the start?
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
That is Lucent Nargacuga's armor from Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate.
@kitanesenpai2186
@kitanesenpai2186 Год назад
zinogre is that present because it´s the favourit monster of the current head designer for mh, he said that he made sure it´s in every single one since he got that position
@pbshakegains
@pbshakegains 2 года назад
I don't mind old wyverns or elders I'm always excited to see the different armor designs like in generations one my all time favorite teostra designs. I think it has more to do with the overall theme of the game rather than "needing" to give us favorites, theme's like mh3rd and rise and also mhtri
@HunDev_PL
@HunDev_PL 2 года назад
9:30 the dude is back!!
@SeekerHeir
@SeekerHeir 2 года назад
Man can't get enough of my lovable spark pupper
@BlaizeTheDragon
@BlaizeTheDragon 2 года назад
Flagships that invented particular elements should probably stick around. Having blast but no brachy is... weird. It's almost insulting when an older monster steals that spotlight. Looking at you, Teostra. Same went for bleed but no steve (which is making a graceful return). There's an odd abundance of electric flagships though. We have 3 of them yet we mostly just get Zinogre. I know they tried to get lagi in world but because the engine was wank it never happened so i'm not quite sure what the excuse is with rise since we have almudron running around. I must say though, sunbreaks highlight returning monsters of late have just been flagships. First astalos, now steve? What's next, gore? So I can definitely see where people are coming from.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Brachy is a tricky one because he did introduce the "blast" mechanic, but it was slimeblgiht in 3U and it was changed to blast in gen 4. So, in one sense he pioneered it, but in another sense, blast belongs to multiple monsters. Plus, I would be really surprised if they brought back Gore in Sunbreak as well. Given they have already brought Seregios back, plus Mizutsune (in Rise) and now Astalos too, it would be very surprising. But hey, I could definitely be wrong xD
@LAMBO3601
@LAMBO3601 20 дней назад
Bloodbath has to return not as a Deviant but as a rare species. It has to be the craziest non Frontier fight in main series.
@ganymede6295
@ganymede6295 2 года назад
Bring back my boys the magalas 😡 their designs are so good, their mechanic is unique, and their musical themes slap!
@Logan-ef8hq
@Logan-ef8hq 2 года назад
I think a good mix would be good. Have a the starting roster of a new game be mostly new monster. Then you can roll out some of the old monsters in patches and make them more than cannon fodder. I like seeing old monsters but there is also a large list of beloved monsters that don't get to see the light of day! Also I agree on giving rathian and rathalos a pass. Although I'd be fine if they left out the variants. Although dreadking/queen are really neat so they can have some more love 🤣
@randomystrangery9730
@randomystrangery9730 2 года назад
I'd say the problem is more so that when a new MonHun is on the horizon you get all these posts begging for previous monsters to return instead of adding new monsters. Would be more interesting to see which mon hun has the most new monsters and sub monsters. I'm more attached to good hunting than I am seeing the same hunts over and over, learning new monsters is a lot of fun. I do have a soft spot for the raths though.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I completely agree, the Monster Roster is not as a big deal for me as is the gameplay
@funkytownmonkeypimps6716
@funkytownmonkeypimps6716 Год назад
I would love to see new monsters, there are so many things they could do with new skeletons to work with, subspecies don't bother me too much because they're just a small variation.
@OneNativeWolfe74
@OneNativeWolfe74 2 года назад
Im glad they're all here i like them and their fights evolve with the games its fun to see it its fun to fight them. Also Zinogre and every flagship after him were not introduced early enough to be "resused" too much.
@lilithw1211
@lilithw1211 2 года назад
Thankfully Steve is back and looking bigger and better than ever
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
You know it! Can't wait to fight him :D
@christopherjhoncruz3372
@christopherjhoncruz3372 2 года назад
Rathalos deserve his spotlight because he reminded me the first time I played monster hunter freedom
@JoeBaidan-hx2qy
@JoeBaidan-hx2qy Год назад
I really liked World’s approach to introducing new monsters in the base game, then bringing back fan favorites in the expansion. It really gave the new monsters room to breathe and become iconic in their own right. I consider Odogaron, Anjanath, and Bazelgeuse to be “pseudo-flagships” because of their prevalence in the game and the fact that they got carried over (except Odogaron) to the next game. I can’t think of any particularly memorable new monsters in Rise. I’ve heard that Goss Harag sort of fills that role, but the dev team clearly didn’t think so because he didn’t get a new form in Sunbreak. I was personally more excited to see Zinogre, Mizutsune, and Rajang than any of the new monsters, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to force them to compete with old fan favorites right off launch.
@eduardomorales2379
@eduardomorales2379 2 года назад
I feel like alot of these are still staples of the series, and can be used as benchmarks as you progress to compare to the new monsters they add and how they stack up to the oldies, that way we have something to compare the new ones too and we know how strong they are comparatively
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
This is a good way to look at it. The returning monsters d act as a sort of benchmark for the hunts, and they could also be useful in determining favorites through comparison and contrast
@melleamushroom
@melleamushroom Год назад
I think the flagships are prevalent partly because they teach all those new players something. Nargacuga and Seregios teach hunters to stay on their feet at all times, Tigrex to a greater extent and Barioth to a lesser one. Zinogre, Gore, Magnamalo, and Brachy teach the player how to adapt to new, powerful foes, like how Brachy's punching adds new layers to the fight or Zinogre's flips and Gore's staggered swipes create chaos. The Raths teach them to... make flash bombs; all jokes aside, they are a rewarding challenge for all quest ranks. Those that return do so because they provide valuable lessons to those new players and, if lucky, teach old ones to adapt to a new environment like SunRise (though Zinogre is really getting boring).
@Filtiarin
@Filtiarin 2 года назад
I will never be tired of seeing thunder puppy. Zinogre, Stygian, Jho and Rajang are my favourite monsters of all time and I hope to Fatalis that they are never left out of the future games
@xenostra
@xenostra 2 года назад
I'd much rather see new invaders tbh. Bazelgeuse is more interesting to me than goku and pickle. I'd be okay with zinogre if they did more variants but only having one which they dont put in every game and is extreamly late game sucks. I didnt even know he was in World cuz I never got far in iceborne. I just wish to see Gore Magala and maybe Great Jaggi back
@Tomix4k
@Tomix4k 2 года назад
"Seregios was the flagship of MH4U" Me: *crying in the corner with my Zamtrios plushie*
@abel304
@abel304 2 года назад
when sunbreak releases i wanna see how well or badly this video ages
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
Honestly same. Frost plans to revisit the topic after Sunbreak's update cycle is over, so we'll see how it goes then
@scinydeath3595
@scinydeath3595 2 года назад
The real problem with having all this returning monsters is that the new one are usually low or at best mid tier, so they get overshadowed by the stronger returning one that we end up hunting way more because they are harder. For example in Rise near all the new monster are low tier, the one that aren't are Almudron (a shit monster so it barely counts) Magnamalo and Goss Harag, mid tier monster and the only end game tier are the Ibushi and Narwa
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
There is also Rakna-Kadaki, I would say that monster is above low tier
@scinydeath3595
@scinydeath3595 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH You're right Rakna should be mid/mid high tier. It's another fight i don't like so i tend to forget about it
@benroach334
@benroach334 2 года назад
As of today, Gore is back!!!
@Yoshihara72
@Yoshihara72 2 года назад
Technically, Iceborne doesn't have regular Nergigante. Iceborne content is only about Master Rank, and in Master Rank, we do not have regular Nergigante, only ruiner. If you do seperate base World and Iceborne as inidivudal games, I think you should also make that seperation here as well. I dunno about other games/monsters, as I've only played World and Rise.
@Decinomic0n
@Decinomic0n 2 года назад
Little did you know we got our Gore back
@nekomancer4641
@nekomancer4641 2 года назад
I would honestly rather have these old monsters than some of the new monsters in Rise
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
For sure! That's bound to happen as well. The flagships are just made to be these incredible and memorable monsters, especially compared to some of the other regular monsters in the game.
@Ghost_PM11
@Ghost_PM11 2 года назад
Well, I guess Capcom is also taking into account new players. I started playing in World and at that point I had never seen a Diablos, obviously. I'm glad he was in the game cause it's one of the monsters that had a big impact for me.
@erikanderson8730
@erikanderson8730 Год назад
You, and every other hunter splattered between it's horns
@zerro7473
@zerro7473 2 года назад
TBH i think MHR was more made for the people who couldnt play MHW+ICE. Most of the returning Monsters where in MHW and because of that we might have this kind of way thinking that the flagships need to take a break. Because i fought most of the Monsters in Rise alot in MHW so i kinda got to dry form me to fast. but i still engjoyed because of the combat and overall feeling but would have liked it more if there wasnt MHW before Rise
@spence6195
@spence6195 2 года назад
I expect Rathalos and Rathian in every Monster Hunter game, Stygian Zinogre is my favorite monster alongside Gore Magala but I'd be okay with Zinogre sitting out on one game to make space for Lagiacrus or my favorite one, Abyssal Lagiacrus
@xenostra
@xenostra 2 года назад
My ideal my game is like 80/20 split 80% new 20% old. But I'd like the old monsters to be odl monsters we havent seen in a long time. Have some variants and subspecies maybe some rare species too.
@greathannah4035
@greathannah4035 Год назад
Honestly world did amazing! With only a small bunch of old world monsters present in the New World to open the gates for a completely new roster, wish the next gen game does something similar by implementing new biomes outside of plain forests and deserts and with them comes a brand new roster of monsters
@rayzhang7591
@rayzhang7591 2 года назад
Both Gore and seregios are making return as well as lucent Narga, Pog
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
I am most excited for Lucent Narga out of the three. It was one of my favorites back in 3U, so finally having it back is extremely exciting.
@bookfish
@bookfish 2 года назад
Rathalos is not just a flagship, but basically the mascot for the whole monster hunter series, with him comes Rathian, because the two monster is a pair. I think they'll always have a place in every MH game. The rest? I could totally live without having to hunt Diablos in every new game. And I hope the Zinogre problem will sort itself out. So far Zino was the only fanged wyvern, but now they added much more fanged wyverns into the game, so I hope it means that they can put the thunder dog to rest a bit.
@jackojaxko5885
@jackojaxko5885 2 года назад
I really Hope one Day,Some of the Frontier Monster get introduced in the mainline Games because some of them did make it *_Cough_* Lavasioth and Hypnocatrice *_cough_* but yeha i just want to see them return.
@thisisnami6054
@thisisnami6054 2 года назад
Bruh, even Volvidon has returned :0
@skysunder9781
@skysunder9781 2 года назад
Rathalos: Oh Well, anyways I showed up in the next trailer
@layom444
@layom444 2 года назад
What's the first soundtrack?
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
It is the Jumbo Village theme from MH2 Here is a link to a video of the theme if you want to hear the whole thing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KcikS-WDuiY.html
@Lockz1111
@Lockz1111 2 года назад
I think you scew the numbers a bit by separating world and iceborne, they're not separate games, Iceborne is an expansion you can't play on its own, of course everything in world will also be in iceborne. Probably should have done something like MHW/IB
@ThePaulodash
@ThePaulodash 2 года назад
So are every U and G games, they are an expansion of the previous entry.
@angellara7040
@angellara7040 2 года назад
Why don't you say the same thing for all the other games on the list?
@hisdudeness1835
@hisdudeness1835 2 года назад
Overall I say no since we always get great new additions regardless. Rise had Rathalos, Zinogre, Mizutsune, Tigrex, Nargacuga, Valstrax (variant but still) and Kushala as returning flagships and still managed to have plenty of great new monsters like Goss Harag, Almudron, Rakna-Kadaki, Bishaten, Ibushi, Narwa and its own Flagship Magnamalo. Base world lacked flagships except for Rathalos and Kushala and introduced new ones like Anjanath, Vaal Hazak, Nergigante, Legiana and Odogaron. When Iceborne brought back many flagships we still got Velkhana, Namielle and Shara Ishvalda plus some great lower mid tiers like Banbaro. Rise showed that monsters like Anjanath or Tobi-Kadachi have the potential to be main stays in the series together with the flagships. It's the mix of classic returns and new additions that works so well in MH.
@I3oo1ve
@I3oo1ve 2 года назад
Sadly as long as underwater stays in 3rd gen Lagiacrus will be replaced with Zinogre
@nowhere4243
@nowhere4243 2 года назад
I think there are a definitely a few flagships that could stand to miss some games. Mainly Narga, Tigrex, Zino, and Brachy as others have said. What I’d like to see is an Mh game that wipes the slate completely clean. Rathalos and Rathian would be there, obviously, but most everything else would be original.
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
This is something I thought would be really cool as well, just a clean slate and a completely fresh experience
@AstonMartinGT5
@AstonMartinGT5 2 года назад
Look what Mh tri did every Monster except the Raths & Diablos were New It had the smalest roster ever in a Mh game but it didnt matter
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
@@AstonMartinGT5 Very fair point. I think some people put too much emphasis on the sheer number of monsters in the roster as a measure for how good the game is going to be, and that's just not a good way to judge the game. I would much prefer quality over quantity in terms of the monsters I am fighting.
@AstonMartinGT5
@AstonMartinGT5 2 года назад
@@BakeNation_MH definitely just bringing 2 or 3 back is enough let the rest be new there will always be new games where they come back or come back in the G rank expansion
@jepr91
@jepr91 2 года назад
I have two things to say about this: 1) I like seeing flagships because they are the most memorable. In their respective games, they are often a monster that brings a specific challenge unique to that monster. Due to this uniqueness, seeing flagships come back as late game heavy hitters is something that I appreciate. It makes sense that flagships are revered. 2) There IS a case to be made that focusing on using flagships shifts time and resources away from creating NEW monsters for the roster. The problem is that can also be said about ANY returning monsters.
@artoriapendragon1972
@artoriapendragon1972 2 года назад
Rathalos will never leave because it's basically the Pikachu of Monster Hunter
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 2 года назад
Rathalos and Rathian are the Ryu and Ken of Monster Hunter. The series simply would not exist without them.
@_Tzer
@_Tzer Год назад
I feel like you need to mention that zinogre also gets an apex in 4u (not many monsters have them they get some moves from variants and are generally tougher to fight on top of bouncing without wystones unless you attack weak spots..) Just to make sure everyone knows that zinogre is like overdone. he's like the new rathalos. Also diablos has an apex form in 4 giving it black diablos moves because yes.
@ajjerio3927
@ajjerio3927 2 года назад
Our prayers for Steve have been answered!
@BakeNation_MH
@BakeNation_MH 2 года назад
It was about darn time he returned :D
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