HD560S vs 6XX vs TYGR 300R 

I’m getting the HD560s…heard that it’s neutral and works really well with EQ. While gaming and doing some content creation work, the neutrality and soundstage helps but when enjoying some music, probably gonna tune it with EQ and hopefully it doesn’t need too much tuning like my Epos H6 Pro which just sounds very harsh and bloated bass for basically anything. Biggest expensive mistake of my life.

I went from Hifiman Aryas to the 560S (had to sell the Aryas because of moving costs), and I was blown away by the detail retrieval of the 560S. Amazing value for money. Perfect for gaming and movies with a Dolby Atmos license. Definitely the most neutral headphones I’ve ever heard, and that makes them so good for gaming and movies. I highly recommend a DAC/amp for them. I use the iFi Zen DAC V2. Powers them really well.

how did you post comment 3 days ago? O_O

Jolbulka that’s the privilege of being a patreon supporter. He deserves the support.

Actually the term hifi is complementary to audiophile. I think he means monitoring/analytical versus music enjoyment/hifi use. The term audiophile applies to modern music as much as older music. Less detailed is not the same as less pleasing, it also depends a lot on what types of genres you listen to or how you use a headphone to able to make a good choice on what kind of headphone you will prefer. But generally this means more headphones if you listen to a lot of different genres, or if you only want to have one, something at a much higher price category.

Gerard I am perfectly sure you are right. But I was not so sure if it would be received that way by some.

J. Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson (and the many others of that cohort) are rolling over... I've been watching the evolution of this. We can change and make up and kind of discussion we'd like. Hi-Fi and audiophile from the earliest days had been synonyms; what goes in is exactly what comes out, nothing added or removed, with the ultimate objective being an exact, or at least palpable, experience of the recorded event in your space. What the audiophile was seeking in loving audio was the high fidelity (highly accurate, truthful, faithful to the original event) reproduction of what ever audio thing was being reproduced. It's certainly not that simple, and there're a lot of bits and pieces to that. The language, and the world, of audio reproduction has altered. It's gotten a lot broader and inclusive of things that otherwise wouldn't have been been included. Some for the better, some perhaps not. Though whichever, audio kit is better now, with value being off the charts compared with what it had been, than it's ever been. So, I'm going to call that axiomatically a good thing.

Are they hard to drive? And could I use them for editing you think?

@@jcap8391 pretty easy to drive actually. You can use them with your phone as well. But with an Amp they get better of course. I have absolutely no experience in editing or mixing. So I can't really comment.

@@Wollestar hey man, i want to pick one of these up and i dont have an amp, i had my eyes on the fiio small amp because they are easy to run. What do you recommend?

@@megabeetlejuicer96 I don't know the fiio but I use mine regularly on an earstudio es100 mk2 bluetooth Amp and it works well. But even just running it with your phone works or I had it for a while on my company laptop without the es100.

I agree, this is a fantastic comparison. Smart choices

Actually this video is a real comparison and clearly shows how overhyped both DMS and this headphone are: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YTBaqSX2RzA.html

@@gerard3797 It's astonishing to me how many people only listen to negative reviews, as if anything positive is too good to be true. Until you've listened to the headphones, you shouldn't give your opinion on them.

@@mysty1353 just hop on the hypetrain than and ignore everything negative ;)! Enjoy that overly detailed and flat headphone and never worry about anything until next month the next hypetrain passes that blows every other headphone out of the water. It astonishes me how ignorant people are with these type of reviews full of superlatives.

@@gerard3797 Okay, tell my why oluv has a more trustworthy opinion. I’ll wait.

A 6XX is a made in China HD650

Is overhyped IMO, you might not like it. Happens like with cars, americans goes for the muscle car = dark warm audiophile tune headphones. People of europe prefer more tune, detail and elegant engines = Hi-Fi, resolving, detail, above average treble performance headphones. No one is wrong is about taste. I'm from Mexico so, I got crumbs second to third hand headphones... :( so I have perspective, can see that.

u can still get them shipping is only 15$

@@elyad67 for me in Sweden the problem is customs and import tax, its cheaper to buy hd600 than hd6xx. (i know, its a luxury ptoblem but the 6xx gets about 20% more expensive)

But in Europe you can get standard Beyer and Sennheiser products cheaper than in the US, at least here in Germany so not worth to think about it.

How do you feel about them in general? Also for gaming?

@@TroublezAhead00 Hi there. Generally (i.e. for sound quality, comfort and durability) I think the HD 560s are great for the money. Like many things in life, an item’s strengths also have their counterbalancing weaknesses. For example, the HD 560s are rugged and durable (a strength) but also look and feel very plasticky (a weakness). The HD 560s sound clean, precise, detailed, analytical and extended (all strengths if you like this) but can also sound less warm, less soothing, less forgiving of poor recordings, and can become fatiguing during longer listening sessions (all weaknesses if these things are unappealing). The soundstage isn’t too narrow and the presentation doesn’t just feel like it’s all in your head (a decent strength) but at the same time the soundstage isn’t massively deep or full either, which leads to an average ability to place sounds in their correct space within the soundstage (potentially a weakness). But it’s important to consider all the above in the context of how much they cost. I think the performance is excellent for the money, as long as you like their sound profile and presentation. One other thing… I quite like that the cable plugs firmly into just one side (the left side) of the headphone, which keeps the cable nicely out of the way and it makes wearing a wired headphone feel less messy. For gaming, they’ll do a decent job. Would say don’t expect miracles. These won’t be the best for gaming but they won’t be the worst either. If your priority is more on listening to music (especially hearing the analytical details in music) and less on gaming, then these are a top buy for the money. But if gaming is more the priority, then take the advice given by DMS in the video and invest in a proper and well regarded gaming headphone. Hope this all helps.

@@rrtind Awesome reply! Thank you! You'd be a good reviewer.

@@TroublezAhead00 You’re very welcome. And thank you for your kind comments. If you have any questions, feel free! 👍

@@TroublezAhead00 that answer of his is partially wrong actually the hd560s are Incredible for gaming EXTREMELY good for competitive fps gaming so yes actually DO expect miracles. They are even better than the pc38x for fps. I also fps game at a high level and am a "music audiophile" lol. I've used DT1990 pros, hd800s, akgk712 pros, tygr 300rs, pc38x, dt770 pros and so on (all are amazing for gaming) but for 155-200$ the hd560s are just insane for competitive gaming and decent for immersion gaming.

How was it?

Which A/V receiver you use?

@@deep_crypto Sony STR-DB930. It's a nice unit. My two pairs of dynamics are plenty loud and full at 2 - 3 o'clock but my planars(HE400) needs to be at 5 o'clock. Weird considering the HE400 can be used with my iPad where the Sennheiser can't really reach the level I like. Anyways if you're looking for an A/V receiver this is a nice unit. I paid 175CAD so you could probably fine one at 100-150.

@@devote From what I've searched a simple apple dongle (US) or meizu hifi dongle can handle perfeclly on pc or ipad, or and smartphone. :) Im trying to get a promo on hd 560s but not easy at all xD

@@deep_crypto oh yea definitely. An a/v receiver is over kill. A dongle is perfectly fine.

How I connect them to ps5? I need a DAC amp?

@@f_society9151 you can plug it in the ps5 controller insane headphones for gaming! You don't NEED an amp dac since you'll get enough volume but u WANT an amp dac to get slightly better sound quality and volume.

@@soraflame66I know this is late but what about the tygrs?

@barackputin the tygr 300r are pretty decent but I'd get a hd560s Over them :)

@@barackputin I have the dt1990 pros tho from Beyerdynamic those are amazing for gaming and better than both.

Is it a good idea to buy the 560s if I don’t plan on buying an amp? I’ll just use it with my phone and laptop

@@Justus8 no it's not. It has 120 ohms, If you plug them into a Phone or a PC you'll probably hear a low volume, a low quality of sound and a low amount of detail

@@Justus8 i suggest to buy a dedicated dac/amp instead of buying an amp or a pre amp

@@danieleturrin5625 well, I already bought it and with my phone, it’s just loud enough. With my pc it’s more than loud enough. And to me it sounds good, but I don’t have a reference so…

@@Justus8 yeah it's possible because it depends on your device, on the sensitivity of the headphones and of course by your habits. Just consider that if you plug them to a good dac/amp, they will surely increase a lot their sound.

Low impedance headphones (Tygr) distort on amps very easily, whereas higher impedance headphones (58X, 6XX) can get louder while staying cleaner.

I have solidstate and tube amps with hd6xx...the bottlehead crack tube amp sounds fantastic! I heve a really good solidstate amp and hd6xx sounds great with it too. The BHC amp adds better treble and deeper bass. The is something special about tube amps, they add depth to the sound stage and give more width. They also seem to have better tonal density and more natural tone. Otherwise both amps are great.

@@massivemikeh Tubes are the best thats why the best headphones in the world use them, speakers also & guitar amps. Well they are for people who love music not those who work with music and make analysis. Some folks like their solid state and planar sharpness with digital perfection harsh for ear drums, without soul, cold as ice.

Did you also upgrade from the Superlux HD330? My gf couldnt quite understand why my new headphones looked just like the old ones when looking from behind :D

@@DasDieDerErik no, I upgraded from HD 681. Everyone said they were so great. They aren't. They are good value but not good sound.

Much love you you guys! Keep making great stuff! Sincerely, Australia🇦🇺

Why didn't u get the hd560s haha Dms is wrong about one thing in this video, the hd560s are actually BETTER for competitive gaming than the pc38x by a decent margin and have no mic. The pc38x are only better in the fact it has a mic, volume knob, and more bass for fun immersive gaming but for PURE competove 560s are insane for gaming!

I had TYGR and DT990Pros, DT990 are more resolving and sharp than TYGR has softer treble. Same Imaging on both, but soundstage feels more accurate on the DT990Pros due its sharper treble. TYGR as a tame DT990Pro in a good way makes it more comfortable for long sessions. I return the TYGR the difference wasn't enough I preferred the more tune one, than have two almost identical headphones in my collection. So if you find it comfortable and you do great on gaming, you are not missing out anything my friend. Hope it helps.

Top 5 gaming headphones in the world 1. Sennheiser hd800s nothing beats it 2. DT 1990 Pro (NOT the 990 this is far better for gaming) 3. Sennhesier hd560s/PC38X very very close hd560s better for pure cpmpetive and pc38x more all rounder because of mic, more bass so better for immersive gaming 4. Akg k712 pro almost a tie with number 3's Picks. Very very good for competitive/immersive gaming 5. This a is a wide answer. This is basically the Dt990s, Tygr 300rs, Sennheiser pc37x, Akg k702, Audio Techina ad700x and so on. These are all great for gaming and around the same ballpark.

I can tell u! The akgk712 pro are AMAZING for gaming like just as good about 99.5% as good as 560s and pc38x for gaming but have even more detail slightly. The 2 downsides are 1. Build quality is a gamble many reviews and people state that they can break easily. 2. The sound signature is VERY neutral and bass light, these are God tier headphones for gaming and great for music too IF u like VERY FLAT reference tuning. If not then you'll only love them for gaming

This!

Yeah the 560s isn't close in terms of resolution and detail like he said. And I agree the timbre, and also the overall tonality, is so much more natural and rich sounding. The 560s does have a nudge in treble, but it sounds tinny and artificial. I also agree with him that the 560s has the better soundstage.

I intend to buy HD560S. Do you advise me to buy zen dac v2 + zen can? I prefer games, movies, and music, respectively, THANK YOU

@@disco4535 I intend to buy HD560S. Do you advise me to buy zen dac v2 + zen can? I prefer games, movies, and music, respectively, THANK YOU

@@d_jihad I think you will enjoy the the HD560S on the zen gear it should have really good soundstage on that though they may be a little sharp/fatiguing depending on you ears. If you don't have the signature then the 560S are probably the way to go. Though obviously the zen can signature 6XX is designed for the 6XX headphones and apparently makes them even better - I haven't tried it.

@@Crivicus Thank you very much And last question out there who says the 58x is better than the 560s in games and music What do you think is this true?

Tea is disgusting imo.

Lockk9 TT Racing I am a huge fan of the hd650 and the first upgrade I found is the focal clear. Which of course is a whole other price category.

hifiman sundara

The 6XX is so warm it puts me to sleep, it's the opposite of exciting. Too me it's a good thing though, great hp.

@@stanstaniboy7655 Then its underamped or has a DAC or AMP that does not fit its tonality.

@@mariodrv Sounds to me exactly what Oratory 1990 measured. Hump at around 150hz and then a slope all the way down into the treble. I have plenty of power from my amps and a cold UD301 DAC. It's just warm hp overall, which I like a lot, so relaxing and lets me focus on the stuff I am working on. I also had a K712 and Fostex T60RP, both of which were more exciting but also, you know, fatiguing. On a side note the T60RP is really hard to power for some reason.

Spend the most on the headphone, any of the HD600 or 500 series is fairly easy to drive despite the impedance because of the sensitivity, it'll probably get loud enough in most anything and be at least 80% of the sounds as spending twice as much on an amp too. You can get an amp later, or something like the fiio BTR5 for a balanced output, high res Bluetooth receiver/external computer or phone DAC, and is just enough to drive the 600's well enough, especially using balanced output.

Based on what he described probably the 6xxs they have the least fatiguing sound

@@durrantmiller8810 560S have very bright treble which is less hurting then DT xx0 series, but it's also bright. 900 pro x has an adequate treble. But yes, HD 650/660 will be more comfortable for listening.

i agree and i find it kinda weird that it feel like it still is an underground not publicly praised headphone, even though everyone i saw talking about them praising them

@@Roza_ oh yeah. It’s efficient enough to run without either. Sounds great on my cell phone, though it isn’t practical because the cable is LONG

You should try some Sundaras if you love your 560s! Or stick with the 560s for a while, that it great too.

@@Bloogly89 I'm the original commenter, this is just my second account. Since I bought those headphones, I acquired the Sundaras and DT1990s. I actually don't find the Sundaras to be good for me subjectively. They're very sterile and sound like... distant? Idk. They just aren't for me. The DT1990s are interesting. They're sharp but not the point where it hurts. They're not the DT990s (I own the 990 600ohm variant.) I find myself using the DT1990s more than all my other headphones because 1. I love the coiled cable, and 2. they work for pretty much anything. I don't think their sound profile is as good as the HD560s or warm and pleasant as the HD650, but they just work. I use the analytical pads on mine and they sound great. Close to neutral, but a bit bright with punchy bass. If I could only keep one pair, it would probably be the DT1990s, with the HD560s as a close second.

@@avatahr7547 pro tip, if u are a gamer PLEASE use your dt1990s/560s for gaming especially if you are competitive. Those are literally 2 of the best gaming headphones in the WORLD for competitive gaming right under the King hd800s!!!

@@soraflame66 howdy howdy! So, I actually ended up with some focal clear Mg and arya stealths that I bought probably four months ago, and I still prefer the dt1990 for everything overall 😂 the arya I find very bright and airy- too much so for my taste. The focal are very pleasant but also overwhelming in a sense that I can’t really describe. They just throw everything at you. Dt1990 definitely have some magic for everything

599 have more warmth in the sound, slightly better sounding mids musically but a tad more detailed and sterile sounding on the 560s. Also a tad more soundstage on the 599 very close but the 560s have better detail retrieval, more neutral and better treble. 599 has more bass so a more musical bass while the 560s has a very flat reference bass albeit ever so slightly more detail in it than 599.

You could look at the schuit hell

Wiepke de Jong doesn’t have what I need and I’m set on what I’m getting for gaming. Right now I’m trying to choose between a Magni 3+ and Loki stack or an atom and subjective 3 stack. This would be going in to a uturn orbit with the built in preamp.

did you end up getting the 560s? Do you like them??? I'm planning on upgrading my current beater headphones for my pc setup and right now I think I'm leaning towards the 560s. I wouldn't call myself an audiophile at all, although I had a steelseries gaming headset that was pretty expensive and I thought for the money it sounded like shit. I'd rather have my wired apple headphones lol. That's not what i'm using now, I actually have a pair of budget studio montior headphones i bought like 4 years ago from amazon. They're okay. Anyways, I play games and it would be cool to have great accuracy in Valorant and CSGO for instance, but I also want the headphones to sound really good with music, i listen to lofi, oldschool rap, edm, indie rock, a lot of different genres lmao. The 560s seems like it's the best all round option for me. Would love to hear some thoughts!

@@PearseXI havent been able to pick anything up but they are still the first thing Im getting once I can afford a amp/dac stack

@@PearseXI I'm happy to help u, I own all these headphones and am a competitive gamer as well as a audiophile. The 560s are the best out of the pc38x, the tygr300r and the 6xx in terms of PURE competitive gaming. The pc38x and tygr headphones are STILL AMAZING gaming headphones don't get me wrong, they are still great competitively and have better immersion/bass for gaming than the hd560s but if u ONLY want the best competitive advantage then get the 560s it has better imaging and treble which translates to better "directional audio" aka footsteps gun fire people yelling etc etc. I've used all 4 for gaming. The pc38x are slightly worse for competitive gaming than the hd560s but have 1. A mic 2. Easier to power through just your computer without an amp or dac 3. More bass for a more immersive fun experience but LESS competitive edge. So please decide which ones u want based on these factors and your preferences. Enjoy!!!

If you have tiny ears the Sundara won't piss you off in 30 seconds. I can't listen to the round pad HifiMen. Comfort is very important for headphones, after all.

you already have 560s? I kinda envy you

@@darklyger64 Waiting for the video, I am still thinking about which I want more. But some people do have them indeed.

Any update?

Which did you end up liking more?

I'd say a 6XX and leave it at that

I guess it is because bass on tygr can hide some footsteps in the mix

Curious about this as well. I got the Sundaras (Wearing them right now). They are great but I needed to EQ them as I found the 8k peak to be a bit much for me. They are also pretty hard to drive. You def need an amp with them. My biggest concern is Hifiman is not known for durability/quality control. I am still waiting for my HD 560s to arrive, will keep the one I like better.

I have Sundara and all HD 5 and HD 6 series ... I can tell u my opinion about Sennheiser VS Sundara but u have to tell me the Sennheiser model . But before u tell me the model i will tell u that my Favorite Headphones are HD 660s and Sundara but for different reasons , with those 2 i am fully satisfied because they are different and so good on what they do . For example SUndara are the kings on Seperation and Clarity on highs nothing can compare from all the other headphones that i have , BUT Sundara do sound Metalic some times and colder with Soundstage that some people will like this big presentation and some people that like Closer in your head vocals surrounding by instrument's will choose HD 6 series. HD 660s on the other hand they have the same detail like Sundara but not pushed to you like Sundara its there but u have to listen carefully because Vocals on HD 660s are closer to you and the Kings on vocals are again HD 660s , also Imaging on HD 660s are better than Sundara pin point direction is easy to understand on HD 660s i guess smaller soundstage helps with that. Also HD 660s dont have the seperation and air between instruments that Sundara have... the instruments on HD 660s blend together like u hear the music in Real life ... To put it simple Sundara are like DIgital era that someone has take all the instruments clean them and move them far from each other, On HD 660s are smooth like analogue sound and instrunmenst sound like they are on the same room with U .... I hope i helped u and if u want comparison with other Specific headphone u can ask.

@@Tripokaridos22 Thanks for the comparison, I'm waiting for my 560s to arrive to see which I prefer and will keep the winner.

For gaming specifically, id choose the tygr or 38x for that instead of the sundaras

@@jjpablo i havent heard TYGR or 38X :(

less bass maybe overall worse but both suck for music due to frequency response boosted in mid treble for footsteps

Then you for sure got defective TYGRs lol. Cause everything you said is backwards then some for me and yes i currently own both the 560s and the TYGR and many more of various headphones.

560s are actually better for competive gaming than the tygr300r I owned and love both but returned the tygr300r. If you want a headphone that's FUN and more immersive but still GOOD for competive/any gaming then u want the tygr300r if u want PURE COMPETITIVE advantage (but possibly less enjoyable sound signature wise Subjectively) then the 560s is better no question by every reviewer also. If I want that V shaped sound signature and bass I just use another one of my Fostex or other cans. Keep in mind sound signature and what you like more is subjective but Sound QUALITY and Directional audio for competitive gaming is not subjective since for example the hd800s and hd560s are Undisputedely some of the best In the world In that regard. Hope that helps!

@@soraflame66 Again I 110% disagree here. I OWN BOTH CURRENTLY and the tygr imaging is just too much better and the BASS has NVR got im the way of me tracking any enemy step for step. You say the 560s is better BY EVERY REVIEWER, sight those please because its just not what I have experienced or seen in reviews...... Heck even my HD58x image better than the 560s lol.

@@pwn3426 youre hella trippin, ive seen about 10 reviews of the hd560s comparisons and they all say its the best directional audio and soundstage for gaming, so i think your unit is a defect cuz as the gentleman tried to tell you,..they ALL SAID that the 560s is the best for gaming and give the best position of enemies !!

@@xRealUzz it can be 10 or even 100 reviews, you can still feel it differently when you try it. and also we know that audiophile reviewers do not play competitive games at a high skill level

Thanks! Swapped my mic and processing chain since this vid 😄

Did you end up doing it?

TYGR with a modmic craps all over the 38x and the 560 and yes I have had them all and many more. I can track you step for step no matter where you are around me.

@@pwn3426 nope, for from true. I own the tygr300r, pc 38x 560s and many others. 560s is the BEST for competitive gaming out of these 3. The pc38x and tygr 300r are neck and neck. Tygr300r may have ever so slightly better imaging than both but the BASS RUINS THE DIRECTIONAL AUDIO for pure competitiveness. Keep in mind the tygr 300r are still FANTASTIC for competitive and very fun immersive bass and if their bass was NEUTRAL it might even have outperformed the 560s for competoive but that's not the case and the 560s are simply better

@@soraflame66 Like i said I own the 560 and I disagree 110%.... You ever hear of equalization tho? lol. The tygr have quite a bit better imagining and turn the bass down that most people claim is more than it actually is. I do not find the BASS on my TYGR EVER interfere with my tracking anyone down step for step in EFT which is the only fps game I play. My 560s are ok but can not compete with the TYGR man I do not know what else to say. I go from the 560s to the tygr and I feel like i enabled a cheat.

For anyone interested, i like the Tygr 300r more than the 58x that i have been maining for the last 2 years, they have more bass, more highs, slightly less mids but still good, and the soundstage and imaging it's very good, especially if it's paired with a decent amp/dac, comfort wise i prefer the Sennheisers because of the oval shape earpads that fit my ears like a glove, in the Tygr's they touch a bit my upper part of the ear having the rounded pads, lets see if with a bit of use the pads became more lose, build quality Tygrs >>> Sennheisers, 100 % recommended buy.

@@Crusher91 thanks, I can't wait to have mine TYGR. They probably will arrive tomorrow.

@@Crusher91 i will buy the tygr 300r kit with Fox mic. The Fox mic have a built in audio card/amp for this headphone, whatd do u think? have enough power to drive 300 r?

@@Crusher91 thank you for this! Do you have any recommendations between the tygrs and the 38x?

@@1117Jrod I have not tried those sorry

Those are way better but the 560s are still a great headphone. If u want a very very neutral heasphone, enjoy that sound signature for music (I mean literally flat sound) and also want great competive gaming headphones then the 560s are very hard to beat at 155-200$. If u want a overall better heasphone for music with tuning made for music then DEFINITELY buy the Sundara/Ananda over the 560s albeit more expensive.

Yeah.. I'm really curious about that...

@minimal-id thanks, that’s pretty helpful, although I’m much more interested in how the 560s compares to the 58x

I have a friend who bought a pair and as me being an owner of 650's i was very curious in how they sounded, straight up they sound more like 600 than 650, imagine a 650 with better bass sub bass and more treble but a slightly grainier mid range.