HDA2 vs HDA Comparison. In Depth Look At Hyundai's Highway Driving Assist. Do You Really Need HDA2?

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Confused about what HDA2 has over HDA? Trying to decide if you want the top spec Ioniq 5 because it has HDA2? Trying to decide if you want Genesis' GV60 even though it only has HDA instead of the upgraded HDA2?
Today's video sets out to answer all those questions as I've had my HDA2 Ioniq 5 for over 9 months and my HDA Genesis GV60 for about 4 months. So I've had plenty of seat time to compare these 2 systems.
*Oops! Forgot that the SEL trim Ioniq 5 does indeed come with HDA2 but it doesn't get the HUD.*
Anyone else out there have experience with both systems?
Hit up the comments section with any questions and I'll happily try my best to answer them.
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@CarsJubilee Год назад

Sorry I must have confused a lot of you as I totally blanked and forgot that the SEL does get HDA2, it just doesn't get the HUD. Apologies here's the full break down just in case I confused you =) 2022 & 23 Ioniq 5 Limited - HDA2 with HUD Ioniq 5 SEL - HDA2 without HUD Ioniq 5 SE - HDA 2023 ALL GV60 trims - HDA 2022 & 23 EV6 GT Line - HDA2 with HUD EV6 Wind - HDA EV6 Light - HDA (this trim is gone for 2023)

@BB-mt5no 5 месяцев назад

Excellent video! I just upgraded and the manual didn't help much, so thank you for explaining it so clearly. One question I have is how long does it take to get used to HDA, LFA, or adaptive cruise? I just don't feel like I trust it and end up taking over by instinct either pressing the brake or taking control of the wheel.

@mistermahoney Год назад

I just wanted to say your videos are exceptional and filled with so much information. Thanks for the great content!

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Thanks Brian, really appreciate the feedback!

@robertshinault821 19 дней назад

This review was very helpful! Thank you for taking the time to walk through the differences and providing your experiences!

@CarsJubilee 13 дней назад

Glad it was helpful!

@jcc6637 Год назад

Thank you for clearing up this feature and helping folks decide if they really need it.... super helpful for me as I shop around the different models.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

You're welcome! Which ones are you leaning towards?

@jcc6637 Год назад

@@CarsJubilee I'm actually going to buy the Ev6. The Hyundai dealers around me all have the crazy markups. And there is one Kia dealer near me selling cars at MSRP. I was going to get the GT line, which has the HDA2. But I think I will just go for the Wind. It already has the vented seats, heated steering wheel, memory seats. The only thing I would be missing that i would like is the HUD. But the other features outweigh it. Thanks again.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Ya that Wind trim is very well equipped, comparable to the SEL trim. I think that middle trim for both is the sweet spot. I really like the looks of the EV6 well, would have been open to that but my area Kia dealerships have more markups.

@1sword4you Год назад

Thank you very much for this comparison. In Europe we have HDA II as optional add-on for Ioniq 5 that affects delivery dates - causing a 6 to 9 month delay. I really wanted to include the HDA II package, but my sales manager swayed me away from it mainly due to possible delivery delays. I was really bummed out about it, but your explanation really cleared up the differences and I'm glad I listened to my dealer and didn't go for HDA II. Another concern I had regarding this was safety and emergency braking in possible frontal collision situations - but after watching Euro NCAP tests with the most basic trim - it also showed that there should be no worries.

@RobitNinja Год назад

Could you link these NCAP tests? :)

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Your sales manager definitely advised you correctly! HDA2 is not worth a 6-9 month wait. To me it's not worth paying extra for at all. Glad I could help :)

@1sword4you Год назад

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@Bushtuckerman71 Год назад

I come also from EU and there aren't delivery delays with my new car with hda2 , and if you use it for holiday road trips it's great on the German auto baan and other bigger roads , infrastruktur with available scanned roads for roads it's better in Western Europe i think. Hda2 can become better with newer updates for lane change

@Seitenwerk Год назад

@@Bushtuckerman71 HDA 2 isn’t even available in some countries. 2021 it was an option but the has to remove it and even the new 2023 die not have it anymore. (Reason was missing components)

@JoseRivera-vg5gc Год назад

I drive in heavy NYC traffic daily. I find the HDA2 systems add an extra layer of awareness when moving through traffic. You can have it activated without having cruise control engaged.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Without cruise control you are running just the auto steer/lane centering which is very helpful. That portion works the same for HDA.

@dasanknight 11 месяцев назад

HDA2 comes standard on SEL trims. No need to upgrade to a Limited for this feature. I have it on my 5 and 6. HDA2 includes 'machine learning' not available on HDA1. This feature allows the vehicle to adjust the adaptive cruise to mimic the drivers acceleration and distance driving style and apply this while it's active. Quite a few times I have had the vehicle adjusted position for other cars intruding on my lane. This feature is very subtle, so that is probably why you did not notice that it engaged, or you may have the feature disabled in your settings. You also can turn on the surrounding view without the cruise control being set by pushing the cruise button and then tapping the brake pedal.

@NikolajGunnarson 8 месяцев назад

Best review - thoughtful and well explaind

@CarsJubilee 8 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@djb0646 2 месяца назад

Thank you, that is very helpful information.

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

I agree the auto lane change function is basically pointless and actually difficult to trigger. Many times I try I had either steered just before and then it says “steering input detected” and refuses to do the auto change or I had not touched the wheel and it refuses for that reason. It only works if you make a deliberate tiny steering input before trying to execute, and getting this right requires basically more attention than just changing lanes yourself!

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Haha yes totally agree, not worth the trouble for me!

@jamiesonhaak6111 9 дней назад

Good video, thanks for the explanation!

@CarsJubilee 8 дней назад

You're welcome!

@leonsmitherman5688 5 месяцев назад

very helpful explanation... thank you for posting

@CarsJubilee 5 месяцев назад

Glad it was helpful!

@jamescallen36 Год назад

Another good video but I want to clear something up (or add to the confusion). You mentioned several times that a desire for HDA-II might cause one to step up to the LTD trim. I have a 2022 Ioniq-5 SEL. The brochure says SEL and LTD have HDA-II and the SE has HDA-I. My car has the (almost useless) auto lane change feature and the (cool-ish) surrounding traffic awareness display that you describe, which makes me believe that the SEL trim does in fact have HDA-II. Just a point.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Yes you are 100% right and I just confused more people haha! Sorry!!! The SEL does get HDA2 not sure why I blanked and said only the Limited trim does. The SEL doesn't get the HUD, maybe I confused myself somewhere with that. Thanks for letting me know, can't believe I put that out there haha.

@RyuMoto 8 дней назад

Thanks so much for your video. I'm surprised there aren't more folks covering this on youtube so i'm thankful you're sharing your experience. I've had many different versions of ADAS all the way from the shitty BMW days and even the very first Lexus version from more than 10yrs ago. Can I ask what might be a stupid question? For regular HDA1 it does steer on it's own right? Will it hold a fairly tight curve like Tesla's autopilot? I've had many ADAS systems in the past that won't even hold a straight line and will only shake the steering wheel when you're nearing the lane guidelines OR when in a curve, it releases control at any hint of a tight turn. Thank you!

@jerryheard8137 Год назад

I was just trying to get your thoughts on 22" wheels in general in the Genesis model line. Thanks

@drithen 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this, very helpful.

@CarsJubilee 4 месяца назад

You're welcome!

@Ryan-um8ug Год назад

You need to do a vidoe about HDA! And explain exactly whay it does and how it works!

@CarsJubilee Год назад

I'll add it to my list!

@linkfang9300 Год назад

Great video!

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Thanks!

@smileandlaughs Год назад

Thank you for this. I've always wondered what is the difference is between those two hda hyundai offered.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Glad to help!

@DavidWilliams-ho4wo 3 месяца назад

really useful - I agree with your conclusion, I think the HDA 2 doesnt offer anything needed, with the crazy amount of distance needed for the lane change to work, it almost defeats the purpose of needing to change lane in the first place.

@CarsJubilee 2 месяца назад

Thanks! Ya at least for now I don't see any real benefits of hda2 over hda. Both work great overall haha

@tom9379 Год назад

I have HDA on my Kia K5, I was looking forward to HDA2 on the Ioniq 6 I want to buy, but doesn't sound like there's much worth it in the 2. Thanks for the video.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

You're welcome, ya it's not going to be much different unfortunately. I wouldn't go for a higher trim just to get hda2, for other features maybe but not for hda2.

@BigMaxGames Год назад

I've had the lane side assist work on numerous occasions... It's been amazing. I don't understand why it hasn't worked for you

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Wow so with HDA2 engaged you felt it push you/nudge you when another car was getting close?

@BigMaxGames Год назад

@@CarsJubilee Absolutely... It was a transport that started drifting into my lane and the I5 moved over to the edge of the marked pavement.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Whoa very cool! Maybe one of these days it'll finally work for me so I can see what it's like haha.

@Takusman Год назад

on my ev6, i get a line showing me what's in front, which is better than the box on the side in the HUD, I just made a trip from Miami to Orlando and it rained heavy at night at that thing was a life saver

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Ahh that's the augmented reality mode I think? The line that tracks the car ahead? Never thought of using that in the dark and in the rain, I'm going to check that out the next time it's raining and dark out.

@Takusman Год назад

@@CarsJubilee correct, is the AR mode, very helpful when visibility is very low

@jerryheard8137 Год назад

Love how you compare real life driving experiences. What are your thoughts on getting 20" wheels vs 22" wheels? It is appreciated. Thanks

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Thanks Jerry! Which EV are you thinking about up sizing the wheels? I think 22s on the ioniq 5 would make the suspension pretty crashy feeling on bad roads. It's pretty soft generally but it's sounds pretty bad on rough roads. I think the gv60 with that special active damper setup could probably handle it with changing the ride quality too much. Big range hit if you upsize the wheels but if you don't mind that then I'm sure you'd have a pretty cool looking car. Not too many people have changed out the wheels so it's always cool to see when someone does.

@austinkleyn1816 Год назад

Did you notice that the HDA tends to wobble more within the lane more than the HDAII? I find that with the G70 2022 and gv70 2023 I’ve had they never stayed perfectly centered, hda I. Wondering if HDA II is better at that?

@CarsJubilee Год назад

It's definitely not perfect, mine tends to pull to the right if I'm on the inner lane. But mine doesn't ping pong back and worth or wobble, pretty consistent in trying to maintain a line just a bit off center. It feels the same in my ioniq 5 limited with hda2 and my gv60 performance with hda. Some people have had luck getting them adjusted or cameras re-aligned if the wobble is bad. But doesn't fix it for everyone.

@chrisdab- Год назад

HDA2 is awesome if you are using the Comma 3 (openpilot) device for L2 hands free driving.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Very curious about comma!

@Seitenwerk Год назад

And highly illegal in most countries. And even if not, you will have problems with your insurance if something happens

@chrisdab- Год назад

@@Seitenwerk That's not even true. But, if you have a link to prove me otherwise on both points you made, post it here and I'll change my view.

@eh4306 Год назад

@Photo Fox wrong. I called my Insurance about my comma add on, it was no problem at all

@davidtigerfan Год назад

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a 23 telluride with HDA2 and traded in a 22 telluride with HDA. My biggest complaint on HDA2 is that it only works on interstate highways here in the US. I was on a federal US highway with dotted line and sidelines and only the dumb cruise control would come on. Looking at the manual it says it's only available on limited roads.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

HDA (and HDA2) is just the combination of the adaptive cruise and steering assist on highways. You can use adaptive cruise and steering assist on any road, you just have to engage them both. It sounds like you just need to hit the steering wheel icon to engage steering assist?

@timothypieples7455 Год назад

I have a 2023 Sonata Limited. Do you know if I can upgrade it to HDA 2?I would really like the feature that will move me closer to the edginess. It takes major effort to keep it from hugging the centerline. Thank you!

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Unfortunately hda2 uses slightly different hardware (more cameras or sensors) than hda1 so it's unlikely you'll ever be able to 'upgrade' it. The only real option would be to switch cars. I have hda in my gv60 and hda2 in my ioniq 5 and they honestly behave exactly the same. Great for pretty straight and clearly marked roads. Doesn't deal with variances too well which is to be expected.

@Bauchfalte 9 месяцев назад

Automatic driving close to one side of the lane does make much sense in Germany. There you have to keep free an rescue lane in case of every traffic jam. It has to be kept free of traffik between the very left lane and the next lane to the right. It is very usefull to force the car to stay in such a lane automatically.

@CarsJubilee 9 месяцев назад

I definitely could see it being useful but I have not seen it actually work during the 2 years of ownership.

@Alejandro-ut4up Год назад

I hope this is not a spoiler before the video premiere but after also owning both vehicles my impression is that outside from loosing features like true stop and go, on coming traffic/ lane scoot avoidance and the party trick lane changing available only on NAV identified exit controlled roads(i.e. interstates) in HDA2 , the HDA in the GV60 was actually appreciably better at its core auto steer function on every road vs HDA2 in the Ioniq 5. The GV60 had virtually no unwanted steering wheel movement or lane hunting and was much better managing with poorly visible highway markers. I am not sure if this because of better hardware or just software improvements. The build dates on the 2 cars were only 4 months apart. Anyways at least for me the loss of HDA2 features( some of which are half baked - like relatively abrupt lane changing without NAV control) in I5 was totally mitigated by the better overall functionality of HDA in the GV60.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Haha no problem at all! Happy to hear from someone who's had both as well. Did you ever experience the scoot feature? In my almost 10 months of ownership I still haven't experienced it yet and that's what most people seem to say as well. As far as the stop and go, hda2 and hda for me are the same. They both do full stop and go on highways, no input needed up to 30 seconds. Have you experienced differently? That's really interesting that you find the lane centering better in the gv60. If I had to pick, I feel like my ioniq 5 is a smidge better at picking the right lane markings when there are merges and exits but it's nearly identical. I've heard some owners get their ioniq 5s looked at for some misaligned cameras/sensors. But essentially totally agreeing with you :) don't think HDA2 is worth waiting for or a must have because HDA is just as good.

@Alejandro-ut4up Год назад

@@CarsJubilee No, never experienced the scoot feature, thank goodness :) I live in a part of Canada without HDA2 NAV recognized roads, so only get to experience true stop and go when I'm travelling on US interstates, did so lots with the Ioniq 5 but have not tried with GV60 on NAV acknowledged roads. I assumed it may not be available on GV without the HDA2 NAV integration. Does the GV60's HDA have NAV integration on interstates? Nonetheless I defer to your better experience here. As far as the sensitivities to road markings if I travel on roads that only have marking on one side of the car the Ioniq 5 pretty much always gives up trying, while the GV will inexplicably keeps on going. Great video by the way!

@Seitenwerk Год назад

Actually lane change is the only thing that is missing. The other things you mentioned are already part of HDA 1 :)

@kpxdaboi7 Год назад

what level do you keep your car on for the space in front during hda?

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Usually at setting 4 (largest distance) if the roads are empty and I'm not in a rush. Once things get more crowded I'll toggle between setting 2 and 3.

@arminkamali1912 Год назад

HDA2 has additional front radar. Also the only feature I wish my GV60 had is the font cross traffic crash avoidance.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Ahh I see, luckily I haven't come across a situation where I've needed it yet. Haven't triggered it in my Ioniq 5 yet either. I have triggered front collision warning in both though, if there's a car parked at the apex of a turn it seems to trigger it sometimes.

@arminkamali1912 Год назад

@@CarsJubilee I'm glad that you haven't been in that situation. You might encounter that situation if you are pulling out of a parking space, front first, and a car/bicyclist crossing your path from either side. Often the sight distance is blocked by vehicles parked beside you. GV60 (HDA) only has that system in the rear and it saved me twice. One of those times, it was a bicyclist riding in the parking lot which I did not see him at all while backing out of a parking space.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Ahh ya that makes sense. Ya the rear safety alert and auto brake I feel like I've used before and is really handy. The gv60 front is pretty short and pretty low so it's already easier to see out of than most cars I've owned. I'm glad we are missing the front one instead of the back one.

@iangardner2311 11 месяцев назад

I have top trim EV6 with HDA2 and recently purchased top trim Kona with HDA. another difference is stopping in traffic. With HDA2 with no one in front. Car will stop when it detects stopped cars ahead. The HDA does not. Trying to find if this is a difference or the HDA radar needs adjustment.

@CarsJubilee 11 месяцев назад

Hmm very interesting, my genesis with hda will stop if it detects stopped car ahead. Though both hda and hda2 for me can be a little abrupt in that kind of braking maneuver.

@iangardner2311 11 месяцев назад

@@CarsJubilee thanks, I agree on each of your points. Including those from the video.

@stevenlipps1176 Год назад

Is HDA or HDA 2 hands-free or are you required to maintain hands on wheel for some period of time? Thanks.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

HDA and HDA2 both can go decent stretches without driver input. It seems like the straighter the road and the clearer the lane markings the better. I've gone multiple minutes with both systems on very straight highways without hands on the wheel. Other times it may request hands on every 10-15 seconds. Really depends on the road conditions.

@MrPhatties Год назад

Hda2 basically just lane changes, having driven the Gv60 and ioniq5 for the same period of time. Also the Ioniq auto parks itself, although that's not an HDA2 specific function

@CarsJubilee 11 месяцев назад

Ya agreed that's about all that's different

@wsy987 2 месяца назад

I'm very curious if HDA will upgrade its algorithms. Do the newest 2024 model cars equipped with HDA use the same algorithms and capabilities as those from 4 years ago?

@abdullahbelem8768 17 дней назад

Do these systems receive updates? If so I hope these problems have been ironed out.

@CarsJubilee 13 дней назад

They do receive updates but only minor patches. Don't expect anything major here though. Tesla update are way more comprehensive.

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

I’ve not experienced the car reacting to someone coming too close and I actually wonder whether this function is really enabled or whether it requires very specific input from multiple cameras and sensors that the car may not easily get. And strangely enough even though I have HDA2, my car does not show other cars moving, though it does give dead-angle warnings etc. Looking at your video I agree though that I am not missing anything…

@Takusman Год назад

It happened to me today on my ev6 (gt line trim) at a traffic light, somebody crossing came close and it just beeps

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Hmm that's odd about not seeing the surrounding vehicles. It only works on highways when hda2 is engaged. You should see the moving boxes in the HUD and the driver's assist view mode on the driver's display. It only shows in the standard HUD view mode, not AR. Hopefully your able to figure out why it's not showing. Though it's only so-so, not as good as Tesla's version.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Ah that's the parking/proximity sensors going off. That can get triggered by pedestrians walking by as well. The bump or scoot feature only works when hda2 is engaged which is only on highways. Anytime you try to engage it on a local road/street with lights etc you have only engaged the smart cruise control. No HDA icon means you don't have full HDA2 engaged.

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

@@CarsJubilee Ah OK. I have AR enabled. Will try without!

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

So now driving without AR enabled and indeed it shows the cars around me but as you say it is not so useful because it only shows the closest ones.

@marcestrada9987 Год назад

This video feels wrong. I just picked up my car and I noticed: 1. like as long as you have input before you activists the signal, the car will change lanes. 2. This thing will jump into lanes quickly even if there are cars close by. I was really surprised at how good it was jumping in after a car raced by. I haven’t noticed shifting to other side of lanes for safety though. I’ll keep an eye out for this and report back.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Hey Marc, glad to hear you've had a good experience with the lane change feature! Most of the feedback I've heard and read seem to agree that they find the lane change system to not be very good. Not sure why but glad you've had a good experience with it. Maybe I have higher expectations? I've experienced enhanced autopilot in a Tesla and that thing does lane changes 100% unprompted if you have it navigating some where. It's very quick and works in pretty tight traffic patterns. Let me know if you ever experience the push to the other side of the lane. It sounds like it would be useful but I just haven't experienced it yet.

@mollanoori 4 месяца назад

TL;DR: HDA2 is gimmicky, not very useful. Thanks for your great explanation!

@nathanwolf5547 7 месяцев назад

Are you certain you have hda2? UK Ioniq 5 have HDA1.5, the Ioniq 6 has HDA2. It has different hardware too.

@CarsJubilee 7 месяцев назад

Yes US ioniq 5 top trim comes with hda2 which allows the so-called automatic Lane change feature. That is a confirmed feature here and one of the differences between the top and lower trims. I don't know that we ever had a HDA 1.5 here in the US. I'm curious what the differences are. Can it do auto lane change? My gv60 top trim came with hda due to chip shortage. Otherwise would have been hda2.

@CANC3ROUS Год назад

It actually doesn't need driver input but just to have your hands on the wheel it's that simple

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Mine sometimes needs a bit of a nudge, maybe my touch on the steering wheel is too light? Having experienced Tesla's enhanced autopilot's auto lane change which doesn't require anything from the driver, I guess I have higher expectations haha.

@Seitenwerk Год назад

That’s incorrect. There is no touch sensors on the wheel so the only way for eh car to know that you have your hand on the wheel is by small inputs.

@khnezaam Год назад

Not only have I not experienced the lane shift for safety feature, I frequently notice it pulls me towards the edge of the lane where there is traffic when there is no traffic on the other side. Very annoying and unsafe moving closer to a big rig while the other side of the lane is empty. And I have to use force on the steering wheel to bring my car back to the center of the lane because of this “feature”.

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Oh wow I wonder if maybe there's a calibration issue with your front sensors or camera? I haven't noticed it pulling me towards other cars but I can say that it doesn't always stay centered. Especially if the lane markings aren't perfectly visible.

@ManfredvonHolstein Год назад

Well, the car seems to prefer to be away from the edges of the road, so therefore prefers to be closer to another lane. I find this annoying because I’m more worried about moving traffic going into me than the car somehow steering itself into the side of the road. But on balance it’s still OK the way it is.

@robrain4330 6 дней назад

Dont you think we have become a little lazy.When we cant use our hands to move the car from one side of the lane to the other.LOL

@bernicemcclendon574 Год назад

Does hda2 have self drive does it drive by itself

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Hda2 has adaptive cruise control and lane centering so it can drive itself as well as most other systems out there like autopilot. But it is not at the level of Full Self Driving with Teslas.

@tongzhang217 Год назад

Comma its still good choice

@johnwang9914 8 месяцев назад

Regardless, these features will just be part of design obsolescence and will always soon be obsoleted by newer versions and with the increasing reliance on corporate servers, may not even work properly after a few years as manufacturers will of course want you to buy a new car. We need legislations to ensure the corporate server side services continue to function or preferably that all systems will still function as promised for the sale when the corporate services are EOL'd. If left to the manufacturers, it will be like software where you can't really purchase software, just the right to use the software but only for as long as the manufacturer supports it.

@lplt Год назад

in canada both get HDA2

@CarsJubilee Год назад

Hmm GV60 in Canada gets HDA2, are you sure? Owners plus Genesis Canada website say HDA and not HDA2.

@DIYQuad 9 месяцев назад

If you have 2022 or 2023 Genesis that missed out on HDA2, you could add it later if you really want to. Like I did here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gVtNCR0QNII.html

@CarsJubilee 9 месяцев назад

Wow very impressive install!