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The Tech Chap Rise of the Tomb Raider has not yet got HDR support. I think it's coming for the release of the 1X and i'm guessing the Pro will get that update also. Actually, I think the Xbox version has HDR already. My bad.

Don't put out the Ngreedia demo on the ultrawide monitors as an example, they got cought downplaying SDR: www.techspot.com/news/69609-youtuber-shows-why-nvidia-hdr-comparison-demo-may.html

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Agreed, never noticed the over exaggerated bloom effect till now.

how so? He called Valve's early leveraging of HDR tech in the lighthouse demo... fake. Which is a huge misconception that is starting to be repeated sadly! Valve's source engine tech back in the day was one of the first accessible engines one could use to leverage HDR's extended range effectively! It was "NOT" fake use of the technology! It was a very effective use of a HDR image asset which contained that extended color and contrast value range to drive IBL ( image based lighting )! When the viewer travels indoors and is blinded with darkness until the light adjusts slowly to mimic a rate some eyes adjust... then likewise when the interactivity brings that viewer into the bright outdoors to be blinded by a sunny environment where the eyes likewise adjust... It is the HDR file format that is utilized to make that happen! Leveraging actual captured light data with the extended range of HDR to light a 3d scene faithfully to that day's/area's quality of light. There is nothing that makes one utilization of HDR's extended value range use case scenario..."fake" compared to another's! If a monitor leverages 10 bit wide color gamut technology to implement a high dynamic color range spec like rec709... Which allows for a monitor that will display light information and shadow information as smooth transitions of seamless blending instead of the banding we suffer in the same areas with our 8 bit monitors... That nice tech promoting HDR advancement with HDR capable/displayable screens( though theoretically one might assume all 10 bit monitors have the potential color gamut to achieve what an HDR10 monitor does ) does not mean that a Photographer's use case scenario... Leveraging his HDR images "range of light and dark color values" to expose contrast ratios that the human eye normally may not see for artistic effect instead... ( mind you, in such a use case the final image might and often is achieved displaying that ripped range at 8 bits as a jpeg even! On an 8bit monitor! That doesn't mean his art is utilizing an illegitimate usage of HDR that is somehow FAKE HDR usage? ) That Lighthouse benchmark was also a tech demo highlighting leveraging HDR technology as a CGI advancement which set out to prove that an extended range could be used creatively to portray the real world's HDR phenomenon's ( adjusting cones and rods to the dynamic range indoors and out ) And Using the real worlds extended light range data to light a scene/level using captured HDR light data! ( IBL )! The only other accessible engine that did as much at that time was Quest3D? Now all engine's leverage as much to accomplish the same. Such ubiquitous adoption's time passed does not by age mean that it's implementation is no longer valid usage of HDR nomenclature! Suggesting as much seems pretty disingenuous but I assume as much is simply a misunderstanding? After all HDR has been around for decades now! We are not seriously suggesting that all the tech leveraging extended HDR values is a fake usage? :) What the video should of said was that what is touted in Lighthouse is simply a different leveraging of HDR captured light. Similarly a photographer post processes HDR range differently still! leveraging that range for artistic "effect". And the video could go on to suggest that a game engine like Unreal Engine 4 has implemented a new color post processing pipeline for color correction and LUT effects to be future proof in handling all upcoming rec specs like rec709 rec2020! And colorists designing in those engines will be grading in those to push HDR ranges for contrast range real estate possibilities that SDR could not handle ( disappearing or "bit" banding instead ). The video also states that in examples shown... HDR looks worse. With shadows to dark and lights blow with no detail variation... Artistic direction is a tricky relative proposition... But.. If one were to guess ( ignoring an artist might had inexplicably wanted as much for effect? ) There are still multiple vying flavor of HDR vying for market adoption? With no guarantees that all instances will have implementations that account for every variation. Or that an industry will have colorist of worth where such talent pool will be homegrown or pulled from broadcasting and cinema most likely. ( like the animator turned performer doing swordplay motion capture instead of hiring an actual kendo or iaido master experienced with motion acting considerations... One might then not be so surprised with the crap shoot's end result? Though AAA has leveraged post processing talent for a while now for next gen considerations ) What can be done if all things considered equal ( the hdr10 and dolbyvision are touted as supported on the game box as supported ) After one matches the same with their monitor? Can one assume their settings are not calibrated correctly? And if there are not market adoption woe with HDR color calibration as well with multiple companies touting the accurate methods? ( dunno? ) Then we should expect just the opposite then the video's poor result? More detail in the shadow ( this is tricky however? Many artistic traditions may emphasize rich bold blacks. Particularly those with cinematic traditions? < Godfather anyone! > ) And blowing out with bloom has been a staple in video games for over a decade now. Although with HDR we can say that lightest areas have the ability to include a lot more latitude. But then again... every area of greyscale "VALUE" or color channel could be said to then have the same "extended" range? Not just lightest and darkest area. One could create a forrest of yellow trees in sharp detail that would disappear on a non HDR screen. And still complain because the light and dark areas are not being leveraged with that yellow forest priority unbeknown to ourselves as an artistic consideration? ( and therefore leveraging HDR for effect all along? ) Asking us to compare for such intrinsic worth in side by side video review as this video has... Is not useful ( or honest ). Unless viewers have HDR sets themselves ( the yellow forest would still not be visible and look like a solid yellow sea)

@@theUglyManowar Essay grade: A*

you can easily tell the difference....

Glomo he can’t on his monitor

Lol HDR has a long way to go because the calibration is very complicated why buy HDR when there is no fucking proper standard for atleast 10 years or so and even then 12bit 10.000nits Dolby vision is Gona come out Aswel too me this looks like a expensive investment and it's more for younger generation to waste there money on shit that has no real calibration standard yet oh games look crap and over saturated on HDR so as far as it goes it's a expensive gimic that needs a fair few years to get right maybe by 2025 it might hit a standard but it's not looking great if oleds cant hit 10.000nits and oled struggles for decent blacks as it is we are fucked and my question is HDR worth it we are Gona need a new panel technology that can give us OLED performance with 10.000nits for 12bit Dolby vision that's never Gona happen for fucking year yet HDR is very poor for gaming because rod the unrealistic colours

hdr looks bad because you are watching on a crappy sdr monitor. you are clueless.

u stupid

Does that actually do anything? Lol

@@johnodonnell1222 no, hdr is more colors, not posible in a normal monitor

Lol exactly.

Raise contrast, lower brightness, raise saturation and sharpness.

You're a fuckin idiot if you think that's what it does

growingup2204 Yep. 1440p still looks waaaaaay better than 1080p and will last me a long time. Hell, I will probably wait until 8k before I even think about upgrading.

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The Tech Chap bro you have amazing video!

Yes completely agree. I have a LG that does a decent job at HDR, (No mistake a huge jump from where I was before) but it does not have enough zones and in the right conditions I get vertical halo's/ banding and I have put local dimming to low to minimize the effect. I am happy to have it, bought it off of family for a great deal but my original intent was to buy a tv with at least 100 to 128+ zones, obviously the size of the tv also dictates how many zones may be desirable. If you are not getting OLED then a multi faceted zone system is the next best thing. First value tv that comes to mind that does just that is the Vizio P series which has rave reviews and was the buzz in town on the AVS forums when it released. It also won the CES award for 2017. You can get the 75 inch panel for under 3300 dollars, an insane price for that size and quality. I wanted the 55 inch model which was about 940 dollars a killer deal as well as having huge brightness potential and low lag metrics for gaming. It also features 126 zones, fairly impressive for the price. One question for the future...Why is there not at least one display port on tv's??? I mean I would be all over a 4k mini ITX build hooked up and add freesync to the mix to sweeten the pot. From what I understand both freesync and display port are royalty free. So why they are not implemented on multi thousand dollar displays kinda boggles the mind. LTT even mentions this in one of his videos. I mean 4k steady 60 is about the best you can hope for without spending thousands of dollars. I can get a prebuilt SYBER C PRO 250 with a ryzen 5/(7)(modest increase in price), 1080ti and 16 gigs of ram, two SSD's(PCIE and M.2) a 600 watt gold power supply for under 1800 dollars. That config would go in on some 4k HDR content for sure and be a jack of all trades everywhere else all while being smaller than 13x13x and less than 5 inches tall. Big bonus is all the parts are modular and fully upgradable which is a luxury rarely experienced in this class of pc. Anyway totally rambling at this point. Cheers.

yeah..i heard Samsung is half-assing it with their hdr monitors. i don't like companies that put buzzwords on their marketing material, but their actual products are a half-assed attempt.

So in other words this HDR monitor is crap. I'll wait to see what the new ASUS HDR monitor is about.

Tiff's Right Ear way more local dimming zones on Asus and Acer. they will be pricey though.

I read that the PG27UQ (which probably will be launched in 2018 Q1) will have 384 local dimming zones, which is a lot more than Samsung's CHG70

Niek Föllings thats not what i meant. I mean the 4k hdr tv looks better than real life. Its like really detailed and colorful. Its pretty awesome

2020 and i got confused

@Trunks Dunk Now windows has HDR support which lets u use it with no input lag.

Would you rather have HDR or 120hz?

Marketing crap

@itatchisasku lol

@itatchisasku i have a 280hz with hdr but i don't like the look of it idk why

@itatchisasku idk i just bought it because of the high refresh rate lol just look up asus tuf 280hz on amazon and you should be able to find it

There is a growing trend of people completely disabling HDR on their new OLED sets. If you compare the same content SDR vs HDR 99% of the time SDR looks vastly better. On a whole it is much more vibrant, accurate and cinematic. HDR has no real standards even 5 years later in 2023. People are waking up to the fact that its mostly a scam until there are real standards. Its almost never implemented properly and currently displays cannot display it without using all kinds of tricks like tone mapping. Modern OLED panels have to be run completely pegged out to play HDR and most of the time is bland and muted. SDR on the other hand almost always looks beautiful and it is completely dependable with rigid standards.

You're PC is HDR? How do I get an HDR PC and where do they sell them?

it is a gimmick really with hdr just being an automatic process for those who are too lazy or dumb to play with their tv/monitor settings.., just wait for proper OLED monitors as that technology is really what will makes a difference.

Adrian Mendez wrong.

Evan M. Fabiano probably but it clearly isn't worth the hype and the shiny stickers on LED lit panels.

HDR is NOT a gimmick at all. The wider color spectrum, higher peak brightness and enhanced contrast really does elevate the picture. You have to see it in person to get the full effect. Issue is that HDR support on PC is very slow but there's plenty of HDR TVs available. Don't discount the future just because it's slow to catch on.

wow! the internet loves to pull that gimmick lever. Extended color accuracy and value range is not a technical advancement but a gimmick? Gee? I thought it only required an industry that had colorists that could grade leveraging as much creatively? If evil enough. We could easily make any "stylistic" game like Playdead Studios LIMBO or Inside look gorgeous on 10

Yeah. But some console games makes a lot of improvent, such as Shadow of the Colossus. However, some many be "different"...such as Bloodborne (i prefer without HDR).

And now, we stand at the beginning of truly great gaming.

Yes please :)

Aaron Gregg maybe in 3 more years

@@barnacles1352 now then?

Bullshit. I watched an HDR tv in my neighbour's house, came back and turned up the contrast and brightness on my own sdr tv and got the same HDR experience. You are just ignorant.

Ray tracing drop your framerate way too low! Its made for future graphic cards, right now its unplayable!

Your right,,, use reshade for more options,,, tons of more options

The monitor was updated to have HDR, and since it is 10-bit color and 1000 nits it can meet that requirement. The issue of the highlights is seperate. The Samsung CHG70 only has 8 dimming zones which is AWFUL. That's why there is light bleeding, because the brightness of one area affect pixels around it. In order to eliminate color bleed you need a TON of dimming zones (TVs have up to 300) or better, you need accuracy at the pixel level with OLED.

Cenko Lino Absolute nonsense! the LG OLED's are the best on the market for HDR! each pixel on an OLED TV is it's own 'dimming zone'! :) so you're getting literally thousands of zones to help show off fantastic brightness in, you don't need 1000nits for that.

HDR isn't everything. The benefits of OLED would outweigh the mere nit count in many people's opinion. Models like the LGB7 will give you the best of both worlds at a good price point.

Oled is great for now. But in 1 or 2 years from now it will be obsolete. Microled is the future. All the benefits of oled and the brightness of led without the burn in

Exactly the opposite. XE93 or Samsung QLEDs are not capable of HDR because of terrible backlight precision, no matter how bright can they get. There are some good high end LCDs like ZD9 that have enough zones (600+) to show the effect accurately enough for the most part, but they will be never able to show very complex and demanding scenes like for example night sky. Only self emissive technologies like OLED or MicroLED are capable of true HDR. The future is OLED for low and mid-end (rapidly dropping price, 40 and 49" sizes by 2020, outstanding value at 55", majority of LCDs already obsolete for this reason) and MicroLED for high-end (much brighter and with no image retention, but more expensive and much harder to make, smaller pixel sizes not possible or extremely difficult, so it won't make it to smaller TVs and desktop displays)

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Watching on a non HDR display lol

iHeisenburger when I finally broke down and went for a 4k HDR display I went for the highest end sony available. When first loading up Horizon Zero Dawn on the PS4 Pro, I realized you couldn’t be told what the difference was, or even see a video of it, to me HDR made a bigger difference than the jump in resolution, you can see incredible details not possible on standard TVs. For instance take a fur coat with light shinning through individual strands or fur(an actual scene on horizon Zero dawn). Yes the resolution helps, but the ability to even see the individual hairs and how the light shines through them is purely made possible only through the HDR standard. Sounds like a dumb example but if you ever the the chance to play the game it will blow your mind too.

Good memory! That MSI was a loan though unfortunately :(

Danijel Ilic that's a very good question lol.. I'm not sure why it says that

I wonder if PS4 pro can actually be utilised on 1440p. Monitors? Hmm. If the setting is sending 4k signal to 2k screen, will it display in highest possible res (2k)? That is kinda cool if it does but at the same time, utilising power to run a game at 4k that is power that could be used to maintain 60 fps or increased draw distance etc. Would be nice if Sony added support to run at 2k.

@The Tech Chap, will you be doing a review on the LG 32UD99 and LG 32UD59? (I would love one on the LG 32UD59), there are like no reviews on them out there. I need a new monitor for my PC/PS4 Pro and I'm leaning towards the 32UD59, I can get it for $620 AUD cheaper then the 32UD99. I don't think HDR, a better design and an IPS panel is worth an extra $620.

the monitor will accept a 4k source and then downsamples it to 1440p. it looks much better than 1080p, but not as good as 4k.

Yeah so the PS4 is still working hard putting out a 4k image while the screen only utilises half of what it's receiving. May as well get full 4k if this is PS4 pro and you are gonna make it work as hard. But if doubling as a monitor for PC it's probably good option I guess.

exactly my thoughts, to me HDR is just the process of playing with the tv settings but done automatically for those who are too dumb, lazy or just like peeling off new shiny stickers from tvs...this really pisses me off as im really interested in oled technology coming to monitors.

HDR is much more than just playing with contrast and brightness settings on your standard 1080p or 4k sets. Every consumer grade monitor without HDR are 8bit panels that have a maximum brightness of about 250nits. HDR10 or Dolby vision panels are 10 bit panels that have a much higher color space and can get darker and have much higher brightness in the realms of 800 to 1000 nits. You can play with non HDR panels all you want and will not look as good as an HDR panel compliant monitor playing back true HDR content.

Absolutely, also sky is terrible in HDR. Never use hdr in my lg tv.

theripper121 i understand the numbers say theres an improvement with light output on some of these new panels but to be honest HDR on LED lit panel is not worth the hype, really just becomes a post process that takes advantage of a slightly brighter output. Now HDR on OLED monitors panels can deliver truer blacks and colours but on LED lit panel its a bit of a joke when all it's doing is stalling the OLED production for monitors and milking money.

Michael Stephenson first mistake is buying an LG TV expecting a high quality experience.

Worst I've seen was in Infamous, I practically couldn't see shit.

Sly Commander You must have the wrong settings on your display or console then. Uncharted 4 in HDR on my OLED is amazing with better colors and details and no problem with dark shadows, i was more impressed by that game in HDR than many 4k HDR movies i've seen.

Yeah its true I think what hdr does gives u more naturall look it dims the colour off bt sdr is more sharper and colourfull nd I like sdr more . I turn off hdr in games . But one thing is to be noted for proper hdr u need premieum 4k hdr tv .

yeah, thats not how it works

you're a fool

Evasion HDR is more colours

@@imadeyoureadthis1500 but details in game like mass, battlefield V is losing or blown out.. how about that?

Trancevestite once you've seen it in person you can't, watching a video on RU-vid can't show you the effect of HDR, you have to see it in person, same with Oled.

Trancevestite Same here.

I think OLED should be a bigger priority for monitors in order to achieve a noticeable improvement such as true blacks with this "HDR" tech, this monitor is just led backlit so to me the shiny HDR sticker is just a gimmick here.

You guys probably got shown 60fps true or interpolated, not HDR.

No your a moron. HDR makes a massive difference. I tired playing God of war on a non HDR 4k monitor at my friends house and I just couldn't. It legitimately looked worse. You can pretend like it's a gimmick but honestly hdr makes a far bigger difference in every game I have played then 4k.

I’m guessing your monitor does not have HDR...

Yes I don't have one and I might not spend extra money to get one, I been watching movies and playing videos game for more than 20 years and I never heard about the need for this corrections on contrast before. Like when I had to watch a movie on the cinema no one ever complain about bad exposure or over saturated dark scenes, is the way cameras allways work and if the production behind the movies was good you could tell on a single frame the movie had good value allready. You never seen how much work the tech departament put behind the movies? Go watch a behind the scenes, you will see all the black wall to protect lens from light and artificial light to correct the scenes, there is also post-production with add-on filters, you don't need to be a genius to realise how much work they put to get rid of imperfections on the final cuts. Also check any old game and tell me there is any imperfection on lighting plz, if you see problems maybe is because they rush things been new game so complex arround everything, from the amount of objects to how dinamic lighting affect them improperly. Like I said this HDR* thing was made to solve problems that should not been present in the first place, games can run algorithms to aboid this things, is not like it happen by a natural effect, they have totall control on how light behave over objects and textures. Sorry if I don't explain myself perfectly on the sense that we might need HDR to fix bad quality production or game engines but is not something that everyone has access for free, there forth it should be done by the companys to check on image quality before release them. (I speak spanish btw, sorry for misspelling and all that). Forgot to add that the first game BF-1 has extreme brightness on the none-HDR video on the right, not even close to a fair comparison. I would like to blame some OpenGL or DirectX version for been responsible on how GPU can handle lighting on games, but I have not research about the limitations when games are bound to use current GPUs generation.

HDR is not here to "fix" anything, it is here to make an image that looks a lot closer to what our eyes see the world, you will never be able to replicate that with 300 nit peak brightness screens.

Thunder Kat hdr looks amazing on the Xbox one x