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I love hearing Steve Jobs stories, but I'm always left with a bad taste in my mouth over how he treated people. Yeah, dude changed the world, but was a toxic force to everyone around him. We act like that's ok because of his impact, but it's not and no one should aspire to be that way.
If you want to see what positivity in management can achieve, look at google, look at liverpool fc. These owners are massively passtionate and positive. It's entirely possible to be a postive force whilst being successful.
you don't become a billionaire without that attitude or mindset. it's such a vile dog eat dog world out there and you will be eaten alive and used as scrap if you don't play hardball. Every single one of the people you see on TV (who's a billionaire or CEO of a large company) who acts so lovingly, polite, and virtuous is a big phony act concocted by expert PR professionals. Behind closed doors they are viscous because that's what it takes to succeed.
I'm beginning to think you're right. I love these stories too but it's becomes clear that Steve's need for perfectionism seems to have a seriously detrimental effect on other people and I'm not so sure he had to be an asshole all the time. Also the abhorrent lack of feedback from Steve is just crazy..
Steve Jobs’s style could not exist today. Takes one employee to tweet his “abusive” style and social media would cancel Apple. He’s a hero, but if he had lived longer, he would have died a villain.
Right you'd have to settle to be more like Elon Musk. A decidedly kinder more mature individual who doesn't seem to have a track record of lording over people. GEE WHAT A NIGHTMARE.
Steve kind of humiliated this guy... He could just say: go on the that team, produce something that has Apple's shape, and then show it to me. Instead, he called this guy on his office, already knowing that he wouldn't like at all his work, and he started to be pissed off after few minutes. What the point? what's the lesson? It was just a huge stress and sleepless days for the guy, and a waste of time for Steve.... I'm just saying that steve had a bad attitude, and he probably wasted more time trying to prove a point, failing, rather than urge the employees.
this 'Muhammed' did not age well..... well at least in my country everyone hates muslims and things like the beheading of the French teacher does not help 😬
@@falcy2889 What are you on about?! I think w're both just laughing at the fact that he compared him to KSI when KSI is nowhere near as talented a boxer as Muhammed was.
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As much as I love these stories, I find them a little bit troublesome as well. Too many people see Steve's toxic behaviour and think that they need to imitate him too look like a star, or to be succesful. We have so much of this behaviour in every workplace with mediocre (at best) leaders. Steve was one of a kind, lets talk more about leaders with a different approach.
True, those so called “leaders” are just douche bags , jobs was a hard bastard because he wanted everybody around him to be on 100%. HIGH PERFORMANCE 💪🏽
A lot of jerking off, ego wise. For me, it seems rather pathetic. More of an immature alpha male kinda behavior. "I'm the biggest fish in the pond" yeah so what? Oh and leading by fear and pressure ... I mean I get how you want your team to be able to "perform under pressure" but ... I believe that the artist kid Jobs so admired did not create his best work while constantly being yelled at. I would say I don't care how many M this shit's worth, you fucking rushed me to leave your office in like seconds and now you accuse me of stealing, I'm outta here. Find another fool, I'd rather start a small café or something and live a life with hair on my head motherfucker.
The bad parts are easy to copy but the great parts are insanely difficult. He was more like a coach that knew what he wanted and had limited time. He pushed people to make them better.
I feel bad for how Steve treats others, but this particular story made me crack up. It's like a domino effect for Andy and the poor guy was comforted by the team. He was so scared and flustered that he didn't know he took his laptop, mouse, and mouse pad given that Steve literally kicked him out and rushed him to get out when he tried to ask a question. I can't imagine going to work with instability from a boss like that....
That's his part of the story. We don't really know what actually happened. It's easy to bash Steve when he's dead. Maybe this guy was a jealous and envious snake of an employee and now he's free to talk sh*t and lies about his boss without any repercussions. The fact that this guy kept Steve's mouse is very telling of his personality. It means he's a narcissistic sociopath assh*le himself if he felt no remorse stealing from his boss. Also, it's suspicious that he stole Steve's laptop. Maybe it wasn't accidental after all. Steve Jobs probably paid millions to this guy, and now he's talking sh*t after Steve's death. Imagine your employees or friends, whom you've helped a lot throughout life, start talking sh*t about you after your death. How cool is that? If they secretly were envious and didn't like Steve that much, why not tell this to his face and leave the company? Why hold a grudge and then make snake moves after his death? How rotten inside a person should be to do such a thing?
Jobs seems incompetent in this situation. Instead of telling Andy what was wrong the first time, he had Andy guessing wildly, doing basically the same presentation three times, just wasting Jobs' time. Inefficient.
Jobs was a tyrant. He did not have to be the guy he was to get the results he did. All he needed to do was to get people who had the skills to force the vision into reality in the tight time frame and inspire them to do so. They designed and built the product, not Steve.
The more of these I watch the less my appreciation of Steve is. He wanted something done but didn't want to take the time to explain how he wanted it? Not only that, he expects people to guess or come up with stuff and be impressed? And if he did take the time from the beginning to offer guidance like he ended up doing anyway, instead of wasting so much of not only his time but the team's time as well, he would have actually saved a lot more time and money for everybody altogether. Another thing, if it's me, idc who my boss is but if he's going to demean and verbally abuse me like that, specifically when he's not even communicating his needs to me, I'm probably not going to put up with it unless he pays me lots of money and even then I'd expect some respect.
@@matthias6933 The problem with your statement is that he wasn't actually in marketing, he was the one who made the ad distribution network. He mentioned it in the video that these were simply mockups.
@@mattmurphy7030 I get your point but the feedback from Jobs was just terrible, the first time Jobs saw this first mockup and saw it was too far from his expectation it's better if he just told him to go to the skater boy. That's my opinion instead of forcing him to make more mockups when it was clear he was way out of the ballpark.
@@matthias6933 here is my understanding of the situation as an analogy. Andy was developing a digital showroom that he needed to show Jobs. But it seems Jobs was pissed at the demo cars in the digital showroom , even though Andy may not be the one adding the actual items in the showroom. I guess it shows jobs extreme side . That even the mockups have to be perfect.
Another way of looking at that is he may like the things he saw but making the person feel like they aren’t as good as they think may open their mind to learn more instead of thinking they already know everything and having a closed mind to other ideas, incredibly clever guy and great story
@danimal13 "Making the person feel like they aren’t as good as they think may open their mind to learn more instead of thinking they already know everything." Very clever and thought provokin sentence!!
Wait. Jobs had 'minimalist' office decor; it was just Miller and him in the office; and Miller is able to pack-up Jobs' laptop without notice? Then Jobs waits some time before attempting to retrieve it? And, Jobs disregards the missing mouse? Sounds like Jobs was as absent-minded as anybody else.
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I think you need to understand the context here. For Andy he was working in one of the most influential tech companies in the world and I think it's just a anecdotal story of his life there.
From the two stories I've heard off of this podcast, both involved Andy enjoying the fact that he was treated like garbage, which I find pathetic. Sounds like the dude thinks that's an acceptable way to go about business, which is sad.
@@Ork_orchestra Treated like garbage? Steve Jobs made Andy a better men (his words). He accomplished more then you would imagine. Life is not a fairyland, snowflake. It's full of challenge and that's how it makes people grow.
THANK YOU. Steve Jobs made lots of great contributions to the world but was a disgustingly flawed person. The more the learn, the less you want to know.
Having a hard time understanding the “genius.” Jobs was a piece of shit who ruled through fear and intimidation while the people who were actually capable produced everything for which he took credit.
This story is not about being a 'tough boss on your employees to get the most out of them'. This is insane behavior being worshiped for idolization's sake. Separate the person from their contribution to society; recognize the greatness and condemn the ignorance.
Oh my word. This takes me back to the day I took a customer's phone thinking it was mine. He had the exact same make and model phone that I had. This took place in an operations office where anybody could put anything. Anyway, I did what I had to do there, picked up the phone, walked out and started driving back to the office. Halfway back, about 100 km away I got a call on what I thought was my phone. I answered it, and this guy asks me to please return his phone. In reply I kindly told him that I didn't have it. The shock of my life came when he told me I was talking to him on it. Immediately I stopped the car and low and behold, I had two identical phones with me. I turned around and drove 100 km back to return the phone. Security were waiting for me there. I gave his phone back and showed him and security my identical phone to show how I made the mistake. It was quite an embarrassing and intimidating experience.
It definitely probably had something to do with that. But it's like once he had any power and started acting like that, he had no reason to mellow out (surely he thought that's what got him to that point, maybe even it did)
The key for me is the story about Hiroki and how Steve didn't want to see the VP but rather wanted to reward the creators directly, that kinda helps you understand why people worked so hard for steve, they were directly recognized and rewarded for doing a good job. In normal companies your VP gets rewarded and you're just a silent unknown cog in the machine
Yeah that is good for an individuals morale, is even good too get the cream in the top positions, but it is a diaster trying too manage it long term. The vps are the human resource management guys, a buffer zone, steve overides that and youve got a potential mutiny going on.
@@michaelbrownlee9497 This guy Andy was paid $275 million for a company that adds no value to Apple. 3 meetings and 275 million and couldn't figure out which companies were affiliated with Apple even though they were an advertisement network. Finally tells Steve the company he bought is worthless. Why was he even there?
Being a CEO you need to be Psycopath or sorts to control people like this, no remorse, for what? so him can change the world? the utter narcissistic trip
So basically there's been created some mythology around Jobs and many people floundered in it while we know more and more how that Apple's Neverland looked in reality.
steve sounds like a real jerk. and it's okay because he reached his goals? So... what, dictatorships is also okay if it means people reach their goals?
I cannot get enough of Andy telling stories about Jobs. But I definitely can go without the other guy kissing Steve's "genius" azz every other minute...
So why did Steve just not go with the "rescue" guy from the get go? i thought he wanted to keep things simple?. Sounds like this was his mistake by choosing the wrong people to do the ads. Utter sociopath.
I understood as it was meant, he wanted to hear a description of the office and why Andy called it sparse. Y'all are the ones who are cognitively challenged. No doubt. LOL
love how people in the comments acting like people didn't willingly work for steve jobs. like literally all these people say yeah he was stressful to work for... and i absolutely loved it and it was the best work i've ever done and would do it again in a heartbeat etc. yall are clueless lmao
No, your stupid ass is clueless. Steve was an asshole and karma caught up to him. You're an idiot for pretending to know something you don't know. #clown
