Heading To The Island Scene 

Just barely.

Essentially, we went from Commander Owen in this movie, to Richard Tideman at the end of the movie. Now. If youll excuse me I have to go yell at some kids who are being loud as they play outside.

Time for another world war - america could do with its coffers filling up...

Would be a good time for a remake

Just about the only movie he was ever in which was not either shambolic or ghastly or half-assed. No discredit to the poor Yiddish bugger. I dunno exactly why that was. But The Final Countdown was extreme masterclass and he did not detract in the slightest from that.

Perhaps my parents and I have watched Final Countdown in November 2019 before his death.

LOL!

Lol

Haha. Star wars quotes forever! The Japanese would've never known what them!

Moshe W. Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy an entire Japanese Fleet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

@@johng1758; LOL

Agreed.

Specially The Owen and Laurel's theme (Mister Tideman's theme) sound very Mediterranean.

There’s no way not everyone on board did not know they were in 1941. Like they should have known

Dude, they were paid like $11 a month in 1941. My dad was in the Navy in WWII. He wasn't making money like a Rockefeller. Get a grip.

@@macvena In 1940, without adjusting for inflation, the average cost of a home in the United States was $2,938, according to the United States Census Bureau.

@@macvena Their 1980 pay in 1941...

But all their bank accounts were back in 1981.

I do not see such 'space'.

Ahhhhh ... would you kill baby Hitler, eh?

The same uncertainties accompany any momentous action/decision.

@@HomoVastans Except in this case, you KNOW what's going to happen if you just sit and do nothing. There's no uncertainty when it comes to evaluating one of the possible decisions.

@@raymondmyers6899 And risk baby Heydrich or baby Himmler to create a more formidable opponent?

@@raymondmyers6899 No,, I wouldn't kill him. I would talk to his parents, especially his father who was abusive towards him. Maybe by talking to them, they would have been more loving towards their son, and Adolf Hitler would not have grown into the monster that history knows him. Talk is always the best way to try and change people. it doesn't always work, but it should always be the first step.

Actually yes, a squadron could take out every carrier in one run, however the zeros, if they saw us coming and launched every 20 sec COULD get a group up while the tomcats came low for the bomb laser sights, and attack before they could hit afterburners after the strike. BUT you never know!

The dogfight with the Zero was cool and you know it! LOL

Operation: Pearl Harbor is my favorite track from this soundtrack.

Guess which ship he would have chosen as his flagship ;)

and Nimitz, at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor, was in Washington DC as chief of the Navy's Bureau of Navigation. Ten days later he was appointed by Roosevelt to be CINCPACFLT.

There's a line in the movie where, when told of the name of this behemoth vessel of a completely unknown type, the senator mutters something disparaging (or worse) as to why would it be named after someone who hasn't done anything yet!!!

@Simply blitz The 2nd Everything I can find says it was the actual Nimitz

Among the many paradoxes: if the attack on Pearl Harbor had been decisively defeated, there would have been no reason to fire Admiral Kimmel as CINCPAC, so Nimitz never would have had the chance to become famous. The nuclear carrier might have been named USS Kimmel instead.

Yes.time travel is so interesting! Love this movie.

He's still alive you goof! He's 103 years old as of September 13 2020.

@@randymoyan7871 no he died in February 5 2020

@@herbet3011your correct. My apologies to you both.

I feel the same dude

Yes

I don't get that feeling. The incident on the island was a surprise to him.

It’s the final countdown

There is a blue here and there.

Was that out at Cecil Field?

I was HS-1 Seahorses. The training squadron. I was sea- det. Went to Bahrain and Italy. Good times.

Yep, that's how you paint a Navy aircraft. None of that Low Viz junk.

Before the stooopid puke gray on gray.

If he had not recalled the planes, the time warp would have taken the ship back to the present and stranded the planes (and their pilots) in the past.

It wouldn't have been unstoppable to a country that had the USS Nimitz and all its planes and weapons, including nuclear warheads.

The US would have joined, Pearl or not. You Yanks often forget about the invasion of the Philippines and the other attacks that happened on the same day as Pearl. The dates is different because the other attacks were on the other side of the International date line, but that alone would have drawn the US into the war.

@@henrykeyter53 is correct. They hit 4 major targets that day and 4 more minor ones. The Phillipines and Midway attack would have been the Infamy for the US along with the Imperial fleet now sunk off Hawaii. The USS Nimitz would have been a top secret ace in the hole...the U-boat Atlantic war would have been over in three months. The Imperial fleet destroyed a few months later. The biggest problem would have been armaments resupply. Special factories would be converted to build the jet missles. Electronic guidance would have been years away, so after a few months in the fight, the jets would be far less effective....but still much faster than anything trying to hit them with much greater range. The ship could refuel on uranium, a known substance. The planes on high grade Kerosene. The US would come out of the war in 1942 or 43 with a terrifying reputation...and a gigantic temptation for unchecked world dominance... IOW the Empire of the United States would likely become the very thing the Anglo Americans were fighting in the real 1940s.

And 40 years after that movie was made. Can you imagine a Ford class carrier with FA-18s and F-35's and CWIS/Phalanx and Tomahawks and whatever new gadgets the Navy has

@@stevenfarrow4402 or B52's with fully loaded nuclear weapons for bombs

Everything i can find says it's the Nimitz

@@lokilxix the Enterprise had a shorter Flight deck and had 4 smaller Nuclear Reactors. Other than that they look the same.

@@charlesmichaelschmitt6412 it's not what it looks like it is literally everything written about the movie i can find that says it's the Nimitz.

@@charlesmichaelschmitt6412 They don't look the same, the superstructure on the Big E is completely different. This was the Nimitz.

Cruise over to Japan and wipe out Tokyo with jets screaming overhead at speeds and heights they can’t touch would be nuts.

@@jamiestewart48 While there at it, they could fly over Berlin too.

@@jamiestewart48 If they were in the English Channel or North Sea that is.

Nah, for monotheists, if you lose it was because you didn't properly propitiate your god and he was punishing you.

They knew the odds when they started that fight and they started it anyway. Yamamoto told them when he was told to plan the attack they had six months tops. Nothing was going to stop them they had already decided to face death.

As another captain once said, "Oh, the almighty Temporal Prime Directive. Take my advice: it's less of a headache if you just ignore it."

Yes. We don't know how history would change. Such a mystery!

Claude Rains the Japanese hit Pearl and the Philippines on the same day but MacArthur did not leave Corregidor until April of 1942.

" would have won both wars inside 3 months with just its radars and planes and historical knowledge." and their NUKES!

Think of the white American lives that nuclear carrier would have saved white lives matter

The carrier could have done a lot of damage at the start, but once its fuel, ammunition, spare parts, etc ran out, it would have been useless.

@@jonjonas2528 Think of the hundred of thousands of Japanese saved too.

The Captain Willard unloads his .45 into the two civilians and says "You're not authorized to stop this boat."

Heck yeah!

I often wonder what the outcome would be, most obviously the us carriers air wing thinning out the japanese aircrafts numbers 80 jets vs 353 prop planes they'd be horribly outnumbered just by sheer numbers but it'd be awesome to see a pearl harbor turkey shoot (fiction) similar to the marianas turkey shoot (reality) but it does make me wonder what were the a-6's loaded with bombs doing in a air battle? going after the enemy naval fleet?

@@nicholastagliaferri5485 Not all of them were bomb-laden intruders, some were likely KA-6D Tankers, others were likely EA-6B Prowlers - it might seem overkill to send in EW Birds against a task force that “barely has radio” - but they can still jam a very wide spectrum of radio signals.

If they jammed all radio traffic from the Japanese fleet. No one would ever have known what happens to those ships !

This day and age, yes. Even a single Arleigh-Burke class is more powerful than the Nimitz in 1980. Hell, a single Ticonderoga class cruiser could probably win the war in the Pacific

Occams Razor to be honest when you look at it like that yea it seems as if it would win it in a day but the reality is once all that ordinance is gone its almost irreplaceable due to the fact ordinance like that did not exist back then [well some of it] also numbers factor in send 60 zeros with 80 betty bombers and its done same as if you sent out overwhelming numbers of battleships / subs / destroyers, although it would hold its own for a good while

thats simply not true

it would only have to sink the carriers. and the war is over. Or atleast a simple matter of time.

Fuel and ordinance would run out. No spare parts either. Battles sure the war no.

windchaser04 the book by Martin Caidin suggested detonating an underwater nuke under the Japanese task force

Because it would have changed history so that none of them existed.

That would've done the trick.

they were going after the fleet.. why you think they brought A-6 and A-7s loaded to the brim with iron bombs? they could confortably bomb those ships from above well out of range of flak and AAA guns.. the Tomcats would take care of the japanese fighters allready in the air (first wave) and the strike group (A-6 and A-7s) would go after the carriers before they launch a second wave

One nuclear missile with the yield of the famous legendary Hiroshima nuclear explosion would have been sufficient to destroy the entire Japanese fleet and then some

My favorite Aircraft.

Prettiest bird ever to grace a carrier flight deck .

HuasoPodrido the E-2 and Prowler still are (prowler is almost gone, though)

Most of the air Force Jets are now stealth attack aircraft anyway remember this movie is from 1980

Hawkeye is still going strong.

Jamie Lancaster no, just her

It's a fictional movie. Just accept the proffered "facts."

Raymond Myers correction, only the carrier was brought back

As the fleet approached the "storm", the rest of the fleet turned back towards Pearl Harbor. The Nimitz kept going because they still had an aircraft, in the air, that needed to land..

We went through a fair sized typhoon with the USS Carl Vinson in the early '00s. It isn't uncommon for the deep draft ships to weather a storm while the little guys divert.

They should have final countdown ll with michael Douglass and Charlie Sheen

Like Eleanor?

Yeah, but they are debating the whole movie that they should do anything about it in the first place. It's not that the fleet is out of range or anything...?

it was supposed to be delivered one hour prior to the attack, and it wasn't sent four days earlier, the declaration of war isn't ratified until the receiving party receives it.

I think that the Nimins would have changed history for the better.it couldn't get worse we were at war.🤨

If you declare war but dont tell the other side that is still an undeclared war.

@@nancyjanzen5676 correct the declaration is in the delivery of it, not the sending of it.

Not true. The Japanese note was not a declaration of war, it was simply an announcement that peace negotiations were being broken off. The actual declaration was published in Japanese newspapers the next day. They never did deliver a formal declaration of war to the US government. OTOH, the Japanese often use language differently than westerners, preferring to imply rather than directly state unpleasant facts. They probably considered the Dec. 7 note to be sufficient notice that hostilities were imminent. Certainly it was understood that way by the code breakers and everyone they showed the decrypts to, but they didn't get it decrypted until a few hours before the attack.

It was debated by the senior officers in the movie. They decided the only possibility was get involved as a serving Navy ship

If Pearl Harbor had been prevented the Americans wouldn't have fully entered WW2 and Hitler would have probably won the war in Europe and the Middle East. Think about it.

@andgate2000 except they are still members of the US Navy, whose mission is to protect the US. They would not have just sat by and did nothing. And since they had no idea how long they would be trapped in the past, they would have contributed to the WW2 as best they could.

there would also be an earlier introduction OF Jets, helicopters, Nuclear technology and Computers, as the Nimitz would provide the US navy with working examples of all of the above. Imagine the D-Day landings supported by F-14's and Seaking helicopters, Guided missiles and troops armed with M16's. Even if the mass-produced weapons would not be as good as those provided, they would still be a leg up on anything the Axis possessed. Don't forget also that Pearl Harbor wasn't the only Japanese Objective: they launched Simultaneous attacks on the Philippines, Hong Kong and Singapore the same day. It might be "Remember Manila!" instead of "Remember Pearl Harbor!" While an attack on such a far away location might not be as much of a rallying point as the Pacific fleet, Americans would still be killed, and it would serve enough of a pretext for the US to declare war. Not to mention that even just finding out that the Japanese were PLANNING such an attack might outrage the US population enough to go to war, even if it was stopped. "Perfidious Nippon" who had been rampaging across Asia had now tried to strike at the US. They had been stopped by a chance encounter with American Carriers (I expect the existence of the "tech vault" that the Nimitz represented would be kept secret, and she would simply be presented as a large carrier) while "Spies" in Tokyo had furnished the information on the attack (in reality provided by the Nimitz.) Any japanese protest at the loss of their ships would be silenced in the face of the overwhelming information provided (Imagine if an American Diplomat rattled off "Climb Mount Niitaka" or "Tora Tora Tora" while confronting the Japanese, it would send them into a tailspin of paranoia as to who the "spy" was) While stories of "Huge Jet fighters" and "self-guided rockets" would be dismissed as wild stories.

Wrong they end up going back through the storm before a shot is fired.

Would the Army use a VTOL or conventional takeoff replacement for the A-10 Warthog?

Christopher Marsh neither. The Army does not fly fighters. Only the Air Force, Navy and Marines operate fighters.

the Warthog doesn't fight planes. it fights tanks. it was based on a world war 2 Russian tank killer called the Sturmovik

both had titanium bathtubs to protect the pilots from antiaircraft fire

Christopher Marsh yes it was made to hunt Soviet tanks but it is in use by the USAF. Just because it is used to engage ground targets primarily it doesn't mean it's used by the Army. The Marines will be the only service to use a VTOL aircraft (the F-35) as it can operate closer to Marines on the ground to save time in close air support. The Airforce will have a standard F-35 and the Navy's variant of the F-35 will have larger floatable wings, stronger landing gear and a tail hook for carrier operations.

Tampering with past events ( if time travel to the past were possible) could create unknown and unintentional paradoxes.

Perfect movie. Only an extremely select number of movies could match it for quality and not the ones most would assume. The crusaders and tomcats could not destroy that Japanese fleet. Not possible. History is more difficult to defeat than one might imagine. You might get a look at it but you cannot do it. That time warp storm is the Japanese Divine Wind. You'll vanish - in the style of the Bermuda Triangle.

Those were not Crusaders , they were A-7 Corsairs.

Intruders, Corsairs, and Tomcats. Possibly Phantoms as well, they were still in service but being phased out. The F-8 Crusader was retired from carrier service in 1976.

It's sci-fi, the genre makes up it's own rules don't be pedantic. It takes place in a universe where all the math checks out and the premise is air-tight.