Heart Rate Training w/ Dr. Phil Maffetone, Founder of the MAF Method | The Drop E179 

Right! I’m watching the Keto part now and I desperately want to hear Feathers’ opinion

Yes I'm very interested in seeing Feathers opinion on this as both draw from science and I get everyone's nutrition needs are different. Im all about carbs but then I think back to timea before we had crap food and carbs and were very physical but our life expectancy was lower, granted there are many more facts than nutrition and exercise to life expectancy. Id definitely like to see the debate between the Phil and Feathers! For now everything in moderation for me!

For sure, the method is pretty simple. But for 90% of people, if you say, "run slower, eat better," absolutely nothing will change (especially since most runners' slow pace is not actually slow at all). Most people need a framework, one that isn't too complicated and that one can wrap their head around. The MAF formula and training method provides that and the results speak for themselves.

@@Believeintherun I want to start by saying that I do appreciate the podcast and I thought it a good one, so thank you. For sure, anecdotally, there are plenty of successes. I just don't believe he's caught lightning in a bottle. But I also don't buy-in to being in chronic ketosis. However, if it is meaningful to people and helps them reach their goals, both in everyday life and fitness, I'm certainly not here to eschew it.

All good! Appreciate any perspective, that's why we enjoy talking to a wide range of people and hear what they have to say, whether we agree or not. For example, on a personal note I've had some great success on following just the 180 formula for MAF, but have also felt best on race day when carb-loading the Feathers way. Depends on the individual and their own outlook on training and what works for them - R

I believe he does address that with the formula by adding/subtracting beats

I believe he states that it is automatic because HR will be affected by temperature changes. Training to pace alone doesn't capture the additional toll of extreme temps but HR does. So if you do a MAF run in adverse conditions your pace will have to slow down to remain under the MAF HR.

Awesome to hear! Floris is great, really one of the best guys out there and cares about his athletes

I think you'll be fine lol

I will NEVER understand why 180 minus your age isn't any less random or more precise than 220 minus your age then figuring out zones from that. And besides some books and a degree, what ATHLETES has Maffetone coached to an elite level? (And Mark Allen in the mid 1980's is a sample size of 1.) A LOT of Maffetone followers sound like members of a cult looking for some rationalization/justification for running as slow as possible.

😂 we're in the pursuit of happiness as well... totally feel you but wanted to work in some of the music stuff since that's what he's into these days, whether we're totally on board with that or not. But always interesting to hear someone else's perspective, so we try to hear everyone out and come away with something we never thought of before!

I think a lot of people would, may have to be a topic of discussion!

Yes please!!❤

You should be patient

Everything is better without Strava

​@@Believeintherun woah -- 15 minute miles with multiple walk breaks on the first attempt. this is going to be hard to stick with, but i'm tired of being hurt all the time. so i guess this is where i'm at, and i might as well embrace it.

Pretty much yes.

Its indeed the same. The formula is just a simplified tool to keep people well under the correct threshold, preventing them to run to fast. People tend to run the slow runs to fast.

Very cool to hear! Thanks for listening/watching.

Its actually not about sugar or calories perse but about keeping your blood sugar stable. That's my take anyway. I use both in training, so use sugars sometimes but also do a lot fasted, also long distances (for me) without issues in training

Wrong peasant

That may be true if combined with high carbs but definitely not when carbs are limited

I think he's a chiropractor.

I think your confusing what we can duel with vs absolute best performance. We can run 100 miles with no food but we have to stay very low intensity. Or we keep shoveling carbs to up our efforts.

@elliotendures Which part of nutrition is he wrong on?

@@JohnHarryShaun Most of it, really. There is no scientific benefit to keto and the demonizing of carbs is just ignorance and snake oil. If one PREFERS a high fat and lower carb diet, and it helps them adhere to a total caloric intake -- cool, man. Go for it. But identifying it as "better" isn't just an opinion. It's just wrong and to many people already buy into a lot of the dumb nutrition stuff out there. You won't find a legit registered dietician talking poorly about carbs, sugar (as long as not in excess), seed oils or any of that stuff.

@@elliotenduresprocessed carbs i think.

Still nothing inherently wrong with those either.@@nadiamsahar3817

180 -your age (with minor adjustments)

It sounds crazy but it's a proven method and it works. I knocked 4 minutes off my Half PR in 3 months of doing it. Couldn't imagine where I would of been at had I did it for a whole year. We just worry to much about what others think of our runs when most don't care they just run. They don't all got to be fast, look at how some of the elites train

180-your age (with minor adjustments)

Prepare the barf bucket

@@Believeintherun Thanks a lot, Robbe!😜

You do realize different people can have different opinions and they can exist in the same universe... right?

@@Believeintherun That's a great statement that has NOTHING to do with my comments. But Robbie what I find funny is you and Dr. Maffetone were talking PAST one another during the whole carb discussion and didn't even realize it. You are vehemently anti-Keto. Maffetone is actually extremely PRO-low carb... if not outright anti-carb. He is literally referring to ALL CARBS as junkfood- not just candy bars and Mountain Dew. We're talking about normal FOOD. He even says he equates all carbs produced in the "modern world" as "junk food". When U were describing junk foods, you were referring to high sugar crap like kiddie cereal (i agree). But Maffetone actually thinks ALL "processed" carbs are bad... his definition of "processed" is basically what we call FOOD (bread, bagels, flour & grains, sugar/honey, corn, etc..) He goes on to make the outrageous, non-evidenced based claim that humans aren't evolved to process carbs! Let that sink in. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So your statement that everyone is entitled to their opinion? Ok fine. Everyone is entitled to have HORRIBLE opinions. Agreed! But when someone actively spreads horrible misinformation publicly to influence others, EXPECT BLOWBACK. Dr. Maffetone actually chastised human aide organizations for providing sacks of grain to starving countries! LOL! HOW INSANE IS THAT FOLKS???!!!

@@EricS-uf9mv Personally, I would not refer to him as "Dr." in this context. His "doctorate" is in chiropractic medicine which, in itself, raises suspicion. He has almost no peer reviewed material on this subject matter and, while it doesn't strictly prohibit him from forming conclusions, lends itself to certain scrutiny.

I mean there are people in ketosis running ultras so I guess it's possible but he talks about carbs like they're the devil and negates everything sports dieticians like Featherstone try to teach us about the proper amount of carbs to reach our potential so ughhhhh...... I'm shaking my head 😆

@@timlofton6595 He's a chiropractor? Sadly I am not surprised. If you spend enough time in the health, nutrition, & wellness space you'll find it's DOMINATED by Chiropractors, Naturopaths, & Homeopaths (these are the ppl who claim the cure for an anthrax attack is simply mixing MORE anthrax with air or water then consuming it). But like you said, simply having a dubious bkgrnd don't preclude one from postulating correct theories. But like I'm NOT EVEN pushing back on his low HR training theory. I think there's enough empirical evidence to suggest his GENERAL protocol is efficacious! BUT that doesn't preclude the fact this guy spouts (IMO) pure misinformation on SO MANY other fronts - particularly nutrition and human biology. HELL!! His gross comments on India ALONE is enough to call this guy a quack. He claims 81% of Indians are clinically obese???!!!! 81 FREAKING PERCENT of INDIA IS obese??? In what world? India's rural population, which makes up the MAJORITY of the country, lacks access to most basic services. Something like 20% of pop. is forced to practice open defecation (shitting in the open). It's est. that less than 50% have access to clean, on-premises drinking water! These ppl don't have easy access to clean water, much less indoor plumbing and sewer systems! These ppl's ENTIRE annual outlook depends on the whims of Mother Nature unleashing the annual monsoon season on-time & in sufficient force (not too heavy/not too light). Otherwise entire REGIONS of the country go hungry! But this "doctor" believes 81% of Indians are gobbling Big Macs & Mountain Dew nonstop? Really? I'm sorry, but India is NOT Newark, or St. Louis, or Manchester where 255lbs slobs are the RULE; not the exception.