Jordan Perry from Montreal's Derelict explains his heel toe kick drum technique in a simple and reproducible way. More Derelict: www.derelictmet... / derelictmetal Merch: derelictmetal.i... (also on iTunes)
This is the best heel toe explanation I've ever seen. I know now I've been doing it wrong for a few months, which is probably why it's taking so long to develop. Thanks!
Keep the training up. I see you as a teacher. Not enough cultural passing on of the craft. The old days guys took time to teach people stuff. Today people are all busy and never slow down and teach. Music is a gift. I do it/ You do it. Love it. I ma not a drummer but your teachings make we want to take it up. You explain things very clearly. People need this simplicity in teaching. Keep the video up. Take us through all the basics and what worked in playing out.
probably the best video out there. ive been playing swivel forever and thought id give this a try. it seems easier because its 2 hits per stroke so with practice i should be able to get it. best explanation and the 16th counting method really helped me piece it together into double bass which was my problem when i first started learning it.
Really appreciate any response you have that may help me get more steepness out of my Pearl Eliminators while still keep my beaters closer to the bass drum head.
Loving the tutorial, really does help, and finally a drummer who admits to using triggers with a valid reason! The band is also sick, check them out if you havn't, big up to Jordan!
I totally agree, most people post vids on here to show off. I originally made this video because I couldn't find a single decent explanation of the heel toe technique. I think anyone interested should be able to learn it so I wanted to make it as basic as possible. Thank you for the kind words. I really enjoy what I do and I'm glad other people are getting something from it too. :)
It's great that you pointed out the footboard height. I've been struggling so hard with this, but, since I've adjusted, my left foot is having a way easier time getting stronger to match my right.
Thanks Ray! I find the belt drive a little smoother in it's response so that's what I use. I've heard that chains are better for durability, but I've had the same belts on mine for about 6 years and they're fine. I'd say try both and see if you notice a difference. I do plan on making some more videos soon, stay tuned!
I noticed how your feet were flexible when you were demonstrating the technique. The key is to hit the first stroke with a middle of the foot as you said,so wearing a ski boots would make it way more difficult to do,wouldn't it:). Great tip on pedal angle,thanks, I improved myself again.
Dude, this was an amazing explanation! I've been looking for a more efficient way to play fast 1/16 notes and this looks like the best way. I'm really excited to try this shit out!
It helps to have it a little tighter than you might otherwise. You don't have to crank it up all the way, but if it's too loose you won't get the proper bounce back.
I use Pearl Eliminators, belt drive model. Not sure about their pedals, but Gibralter usually makes decent gear for the price (I'm talking hardware mostly). I find if you skimp on the price though, you end up with gear that will make you work harder to play, When it comes to drum gear, spending the extra money will usually make your playing come a lot easier, or you at least won't have to battle the gear to get a good feel/sound.
haha! good to know dude! I've tried the heel-toe stuff... many many times... but I always revert back to just playing with the ball of my feet. but this is by far the most informative instruction video for said skill.. might just give it another go ;)
@Bajamanator they're like sensors that go on your heads, mostly on bass drums, and they pick up the vibration and then play a different sound through speakers. most people use them in bands when the bass has to be louder. i'm thinking about getting some... :D
Hey Tim! Thanks for replying, I've seen a lot of your videos and I'm very familiar with your contributions to spreading good word about heel toe! My take is a little different from yours, as mine is more designed to be split across 2 feet for constant 16ths, whereas yours can be applied to one foot. So I wasn't referring to your videos when I said I couldn't find any good ones, just so you know. Respect!
To make 16 notes, that is, 4 strokes per tempo, is the right tip, and then the left tip? Or is it right heel left heel, right end point left? I get confused, please help me, thanks
First off, GREAT video brother! Bravo to you for giving back to the masses. My question is on how to make my pearl eliminator pedal steeper as you say? I can make it steeper with the far right upper adjustment but then the pedal is too close to my foot. I want it roughly 4-5 inches from the BD head. Thoughts?
It actually came from playing in a rock band and not having a double kick. I could get quick double strokes using my single pedal. When I started playing metal, I applied the same idea to the other foot. It was only later that I realized other drummers were doing this as well.
I actually don't give a fuck what my hair looks like. I'm pretty sure no one typed in 'drummer hair' and got this vid (although I might add that to the tags lol). I'm just happy that people looking for drum vids found mine, despite my hair. Glad you guys liked it!
@OTDRUMGOD08 The tension should be fairly loose. I have mine tightened so that the bottom of the nut is flush with the end of the thread. Do you know what I mean?
How much tension is on your springs? Most metal guys say as tight as they go, but I find my Tama Speed Cobra Double Pedal has too much uncontrollable bounce and not enough power as well when I do this! I know everyone has to do what feels comfortable to them, but anyways just curious as to how much tension you particularly use! thanks Jordan!
Hi Jordan. This has been a very helpful video indeed, so thank you for that. I am due to buy some new pedals, I currently use a very old pearl model ( they have become pretty worn out over the years ) and have been looking to upgrade to some Eliminators like yourself, would you recommend a chain drive or belt to enhance this style.? BTW a vid on how to setup your bass drum (tuning/dampening/seat height etc) would be very helpful to those of us that are just getting started with this technique?!
awesome foot work dude, nice rutaments or however you spell it with your feet there near the end. have you ever played any marching snare or bass or tenors or anything?
Haha no clue! I think most videos people make on here are to show off what they can do, not try to teach to others in a reproducible way. That was my goal here, I hope it works :)
So I was literally just talking to Brittney Slayes of UTA on facebook asking her which style Scott uses to double kick when she said Heel Toe. When i googled the technique (because I never actually looked into it before) i find this video and Jordan is wearing a UTA t-shirt. that's a wonky coincidence to be sure, right? =D
@Jordanrayperry Hey Jordan! Awesome tutorial. I just started learning this technique, I was wondering how long it took for you to get a hold of? Anyways, toujours fier de représenter Montreal ;)
Funny thing is I always thought they had to thrash their feet up and down with tremendous speed. It looks so easy watching him do it. It sounds really impressive though.
can you apply this technique to a electric drum with mesh heads? Im trying but the mesh heads does not seem to bounce enough? any help appreciated thanks!
kiskipuich1 Hmmm sorry man, not sure what else to say about it. Maybe try different drums and pedals to make sure it's not your gear that is the problem.
Cool, you're fine then. Mine are size 12 and it's no problem. You might just have to angle your foot across the board a bit like I demonstrate in the video.
I was under the misconception that the heel was used for the first stroke for so long... many of the videos on youtube make it seem that way. Its no wonder I could never get it down for shit haha.
