Heel Toe Shifting VS Clutchless Shifting 

Can you guys do a video on setting up a budget friendly car like this Impreza? Covering all the basics i.e suspension and alignment, wheel/tire, etc.

I see a lot of people teaching to blip once in gear, rather than in neutral before you put in gear, as you do here. Can you explain the correct technique, or if there is any difference to the timing of clutch release and whether or not being in gear or in neutral makes any difference during the blip. I'm used to double de-clutching and realise most new cars have synchro box's to negate this, but I'm still unclear what is technically correct for heel/toe and which I should practice? Thanks!

They have special tyres that allow allot of traction in snow

In thick hiking boots, no less.

I guarantee he's driven real rally courses in worse weather than this

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Well, I think that was only for fourth to second and not vice versa...

Dude, that is a comment from a year ago. Also there is nothing wrong with gear skipping either way.

@@pavelkryl457 First, I can comment whenever I want. Proof: I did it. Second, three people in a day think it like I do (on a reply) versus 17 in a year on a main comment... If I were You, I would start "asking myself some questions"... 🤔

You can easily skip even from first to fifth and vice versa, it does not make a difference in a manual transmission. Manual transmission just swaps cogs around so as long as you rev match you can select whatever gear you want (except reverse from any other gear, obviously). Only thing you have to be aware of is that you can overrev your engine if you are downshifting "too much" or lug your engine (even stop it really) if you upshift too much without sufficient engine revs.

you can also ruin your transmition and clutch but those aren't important

I feel for you bud I had the near-same experience :D

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well, you can also double clutch while rev matching to get all the shafts' speeds correct, but it's quite a lot of footwork

Matheus Wohl Heel-and-toe implies double clutching on a down shift...to me, anyway. The common ground with clutchless down shifting and double clutching down shifting (while braking or not) is that the clutch is engaged so the blip speeds the input shaft during rev matching. I learned to drive double clutching on all gear changes, up and down.

Heel-and-toe per se should be pretty much just a fancy name for rev matching while braking, but well, when it comes to shifting if you already know how to double clutch while downshifting there shouldn't be much left to learn because all the other techniques are simplifications of that(as far as my knowledge goes, at least). Anyway, just trying to help.

@@timwintersoncntr in my bmw i don’t really need to match the input shaft especially when i’m driving hard because things are so light and there’s hardly any inertia. however, i have noticed that technique is rather hard in my f250 so i should definitely just start double clutching and see if i can smooth things out.

jfbeam well, start with wearing normal shoes, then some thicker ones (maybe add an insole), then wear boots.

Lol, try walking around in flat sole shoes in Quebec ! Had to when I used my Miata in winter, impossible to drive that with boots on lol.

try driving french cars with steel toe welding boots, have to angle my feet to only hit one pedal

"driving shoes" lol

I wore different shoes to work today (more rugged hiking shoes instead of my usual boat shoes), and it felt like I was wearing snow shoes. I took my shoes off for the drive home and it was fantastic. I'm going to start driving in just socks more often.

I imagine anyone with more than a size 10 shoe does heel and toe this way.

Most professional racer car drivers are like tiny horse jockey and have tiny feet. midgets weigh less.

I never even tried to do it heel-toe. To me it just seems impossible to keep a constant brake pressure while moving the heel around the pedals. The ankle twist is just so much practical, and i would feel like it's also faster

Yess me 2.. I always just step inbetween the pedals and use the shoes edge for gas or brake.. But ive mooved on to clutchless. Its faster because i can rotate the car better and get on the gas faster with leftfootbraking

that heavily depends on where the engine is located and the weight distribution to begin with

no synchros = no problem

as he said, use the clutch on upshifts because its faster than waiting for the revs to fall for matched clutchless shift. you always want to use the clutch shifting up in performance driving

That's a race car though and the gearbox in that is nothing like a road car look up "dog box transmission" on google and you'll find multiple pages explaining the differences.

Mika_012397 I know it's a racing box but the technique is still the same using the left foot to brake and match the revs with the transmission in neutral.

I googled dog box and couldn't find much only speculations on forums. A link to a reputable source would be appreciated.

And NASCAR drivers don't give shit about how much damage they're doing to the car (as long as it lasts the whole race) because they know it's getting completely rebuilt for the next race.

jfbeam that's how the transmission's are designed you don't have to use the clutch once you're moving a lot of taking series that still use manuals are like that.

Depends on whether you have spur or helical gears. Helical gears will incur significant damage over a sustained period of clutchless shifting. They synchros we’re not designed to deal with that.

Mostly you use clutch kick when you have made mistake in corner. As example went too wide in corner & you are off the road, you are in 2nd gear and rpm is falling down. Kick it & revs go up

Here's my Cluch-kick tutorial. 1) Start to enter the corner 2) Kick the clutch 3) Hold on for dear life I kid a bit, but honestly there's nothing to it. Go out to an empty parking lot, drive around in a circle in, say, second gear at, say, 4000 RPM, then clutch-in-clutch-out as fast as you can. The ass will break loose...and that's it. (obv only works with MT and RWD...wait, can you clutch kick an AWD? Lol, I have no idea)

WREX you can clutch kick an awd, but if said awd is an older Subaru 5mt like used in the video, you'll likely grenade your transmission.

you dont clutch kick fast, you clutch in and hold it in until your revs are more suitable for the situation.

clutch kicking doesnt need a tutorial all you do is kick the clutch pedal

Kungfujoe1110 maybe it's ok for them to do clutchless shifting in rally because those cars are being fixed and serviced after every event, I don't know, someone more knowledgeable will answer 😃

I get that...like, yeah, you service cars in any racing discipline, but the level of service usually depends on the level of the discipline. Pro guys toss engines/trannys/etc, grassroots guys typically do a lot less than that. Seeing as how these videos often take the tone of more of a grassroots focus...If they said "Yeah, you're gonna have to swap brake pads", sure, that makes sense - swapping synchros is a helluva lot more involved than that. Servicing a transmission is what I would typically consider pretty heavy-duty service.

OH! It does. I don't build our transmissions, so I've been ordered to never do that.

Daily driving I wouldn't clutchless shift, and I always try to rev match early and engine break more. This causes less wear on breaks, synchros and breaks.

The engine is a lot more expensive than a set of brakes. I'm just sayin'.

The world needs more people like you Andrew! The internet thrives on conflict, so the VS videos get a lot more traffic than if we did "Use common sense and a handful of different techniques as appropriate for the situation" but that's exactly the right answer.

they are basically driving a stickered-up street car. just know that clutchless shifting can break things if you do it too wrong.

Just make sure you dont force it in the gear then you should be ok. The stick should drop into the gear with very little guidance, if you're pushing it in. STOP immediately.

thats how you drive a semi truck. you use clutch just for start and then everything is clutchless. on cdl exam tho, they require you to double clutch - 2nd gear, clutch, neutral, clutch with 3rd gear

Think the only difference between those gearboxes are how the tooth are shaped of the gears. The clutchless shifting I think has to do with the synchromesh rings have to be the same speed and will be able to change gear.

Chase 4fun they use a a sequential transmission. Google it

If the car has syncros, it can be done. Not that it's easy or doesn't take practice, of course, since every car is different.

Jong Regudo If the car doesn't have a sync, the only way to shift is to match the driveshaft RPM to the engine one. So...

The Rally School is up in New Hampshire, but Miami sounds great this time of year!

t04844 exactly my problem!! My car has the gas pedal a good 4cm further than the brake pedal, and there's also just no room to turn the right foot sideways for heel and toe. When braking and downshifting I either let go of the brake, blip the throttle and very quickly get on the brake again (if I'm not braking too hard or that would upset the balance of the car) or I have to push the clutch in (I can't change gears and I can't leave it in gear or the car stalls) and wait until I'm done braking to blip the throttle and downshift. I can have really smooth and fast downshifts that way, but I'm aching for an opportunity to drive cars that allow for proper heel and toe cause I want to practice that correctly

@UK Racer yes but I believe this guy I mentioned before, gilles panizi, he uses the momentum and slipping from the downshifting itself for the turn-in.

I personally listen to the engine mainly but just do whatever is most natural I guess. And as long as you don’t try to just jam it into gear in you won’t cause any damage to the transmission.

Just shift without clutch and save it for the kicks.. xd

And floating the gear!

You might be shifting at not exactly the right RPM, try using very gentle pressure on the shifter, if you force it into gear and it makes a CRUNCH noise you will damage the synchro over time. Work on timing it right and only using real easy pressure on the shifter.

Definitely all skills best learned on a $500 car, or come to rally school!

Team O'Neil Rally School Well I armed myself with courage and tryed the clutchless shifting aaaand... its surprisingly satisfying. The gear stick wont go in unless the revs are the right ones and, when done correctly, its super smooth 😌

Trauma Bear no, you don’t need to have it in neutral. You CAN rev match with the clutch in. The problem is that the clutch is gripping the engine gear, so when you rev, not only is the engine fighting the clutch, you’re also burning your clutch to death by making it hold onto an engine gear that’s spinning faster than necessary. That’s why it’s better to put it into neutral, release the clutch, blip the throttle then put it back into gear Hope my answer wasn’t 2 years too late 😂