HEIGHT - Kibbe Image ID / BODY TYPES 

Hi Aly, you said that Beyoncé is a romantic but she’s tall and thick?

Same.

Me too 🤣

Let's open a club 🤣 I wish ally would agree on giving second opinions

@@kareng.7773 Club name The blind leading the blind 😂😂

Have you tried all the 5 main outfit? (D, N, C, G, R)

Adela Setara She’s European!

littlepianist89 isn’t she Russian?

Brendons Forehead 1.) Russians use the Metric System too (Most of the World does). 2.) Parts of Russia are in Europe! Europe is a continent :)

Brendons Forehead Just checked, she’s from Moscow, so she’s European :)

Adela Setara yes! Considering is only one silly country that doesn't use normal measurements 😹 they should be the ones giving thanks for the exception

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Yes. We need to see MORE of this!

Thank you

thank youu!!

3:36 - 3:37 Wouldn't 5'4" be more accurate??

@@daniellevinson6975 Perhaps, centimeters to inches has a lot of error

@@marmor3957 Wait -- Do you mean to say Kibbe is *British* rather than American??

I think long straight hair helps add more visual length to my face

It is controversial, because we don't exist in virtual reality. Everything may look very different in photos, but in reality, there is no visual height or appearance of vertical line there is only factual height and body mass. And when compared in real life with people 6'' taller and 30 pounds heavier with the 'same body image', you get to realize that the system is rubbish.

@@blueice011 I said visual, not virtual. We do live in a visual reality, we see things and often perceived things with what they visually look like, from far away, up-close, individually and as a group. When I say visual height matter more, I don't mean actual measurement is a myth. I'm saying it matters in terms of kibbe and just acknowledging basic body proportions, it's as simple as acknowledging that the sky looks blue. Many Kibbe enthusiasts are stubbornly against something as basic and fundamental as body proportions.

​ @Na Na exactly, I couldn't really find myself in these descriptions. I am short (159 cm) but thin and with long limbs, so people who know me in person are always surprised when I state my height as I have a long vertical line (they assumed I am around 165).

@@SpotlessMind871 same! I'm 163cm (tall for my family/ethnicity but not actually tall) and I never felt like I could be any sort of N type until I forgot height altogether and compared my head to my body. My vertical line isn't short, it's moderate/slightly taller looking. I also don't think the system is totally comprehensive in the strict sense because it excludes people with visibly mixed bone structure who are super tall (imo Zendaya) and visibly dramatic bone structure who are short (Lucy Liu).

She mentioned your vertical line is what it counts but someone tall will never look small or moderate. A short person can have a long vertical line that makes them look taller but never a dramatic, a very tall person will never look small like a gamine or romantic. Is just impossible.

I feel like kibbe system is very prejudiced against tall women. Everybody types me as classic ior soft classic but then oh no she's slightly too tall to be that, and then I'm forced into a type I don't fit at all. Makes zero sense.

​@@heyitslizzybee So true! I'm totally Theatrical Romantic, everything fits, but NOPE, because I'm 5'10. TR can't be that tall.

@@annaj.3266 he even breaks his own rules sometimes, i.e. rihanna, because even he's starting to realize his system isn't perfect!

I’m 110% romantic. But because I’m Very tall, everyone refuses to say I’m anything but soft dramatic. Next to other people I can’t look anything other than tall. But my limbs are short to my body. The height prejudice is stupid.

@@heyitslizzybee yes I agree, I have been trying to find my body type and every time I think I'm on the right track I find out that its for a petite body with small hands and feet etc however I am tall with large feet and hands so I feel like im just not getting anywhere with it.

I am 5'2 also SN. first I though Im romantic because of the shortness and roundness but eventualy I realized Im just overweight SN, but still not quite certain

@@magicxspace5406 I am a 5'1'' SN, and I think it is very easy to get confused with the Romantic type, when you are a short SN.

MadMags Two things made me completely sure I was not in the R o TR groups (even with all the curves) 1. My upper back/shoulder width 2. Waist emphasis is the worst for me.

You can be an Apple shape like Drew Barrymore and still be a romantic. Waist emphasis is only one aspect of being a romantic. Apple shapes like Kelly Osbourne have broad shoulders and narrow hips, therefore more of a Flamboyant Gamine, but the Apple body that has shorter more petite bones but with added width and softness can still be a romantic. It's easy to become confused and tripped up in this system by trying to fit each specific criteria, rather than looking at what's dominant overall.

@@kanikagupta8261 That is true because both have width though Rs have more width through the flesh and not the skeleton whereas SNs have width through the skeleton especially the shoulders. But when you are not used to kibbe and analysing bodies it is really hard to tell.

same for me, I always felt like my vertical line wasn't long enough for a SD, so I kind of threw it out the window immediately, but later I realized it was my correct type. My head also isn't that small, but we also have to consider that we see ourselves from a different angle in the mirror, than when others see us IRL, especially from a far

I know what u mean and same gosh

I'm SD but I refuse to believe that I'm *"soft"* ... classical feels more like me to be honest..idk

Agree

It's true ! Am an Arabic girl where I live 1,65 and under are average , I'm 1,72 I look super tall comparing to other women and they keep telling me you look like a modal but in Europe or U.S.A I'm average and quite short for being a modal

Well, it doesn't change the types that fit your height. stylesyntax.com/blog/2020/03/15/height-in-kibbe-2020/ goes into this. I'd want to add (as a dutch person myself) that the way people approach height in the Kibbe system feels weird, because there are a lot of 'but 1.70 is tall', and I'm like 'No, it's not. It's moderate', but that's just my own perception of height. Dutch people just are often a bit taller, the average height is a bit taller than most other places. But that doesn't change the types you belong to, because they're made for all sizes. So, the average dutch person will be natural or dramatic, more so then other types.

@@ZwarteKonijn I get what you are saying. As a dressmaker I often use the Kibbe system in my design process for bespoke women's clothes as a guideline to make something for an individual person to make them glow from the inside because they feel great and powerful in their own body. I try to train my eye in typing people quite quickly, and I take their meisurements and photograph. Sometimes, when I look back at the data I collected, I am surprised at how tall or how short some people really are. Because there is not just the vertical axis but also the width of their shoulders, chest, waist, hips and thighs. And some people have a head that is relatively small or lange, which changes their perceived height considerably! This is why I personally think that the perception of height and vertical line is more important than the numbers on their own, although I do see that height (perceived or not) can 't be ignored.

I agree with you I am from the Germanborder to the Netherlands and I am tall 1,78 but I am not super tall just on the taller side within the normal range. I would still think that I am a natural because of my wide bonestructure, but most of my friends are more curvy and feminine while being tall

Same!

Mee too!!

Guys, I recently found out I'm a dramatic classic, I never considered this type because I'm only 5'1. So your actual height doesn't matter, what really matters is how tall you look, your bone structure and flesh

@@veronicazamudio3279 Congrats on knowing Girl 👏🏻👍🏻❤️

@@veronicazamudio3279 Actually I'm still confused unfortunately, I can't decide because body change constantly due to hormones,and my height is 5'3 and still getting taller. But in the long run I think I'm classic type🤷🏻‍♀️

I believe it is not a restricted rule to be a certain height to be classified as one specific type. It is a guide for some people that doesn't know which body type they have because they are confused. It is more about how tall you look, there are people who are very short, but they look tall because of their head, arms and legs size. Also, it helps people to understand that is very difficult, for example, to be a flamboyant natural or a dramatic with 5'1".

David said on the internet that a short woman could have a long vertical line so she can be other types that are more average in height, but a tall woman couldnt have a small vertical line so she cant be SG for example

@@cowcat4108 Soft Classics and Soft Naturals can be short too, a lot of them are around 5’2. Even Flamboyant Natural can be shorter (like 5’3 Sarah Jessica Parker), even though it’s rare. Maybe the only type that can’t be short is SD, I have never seen one shorter than moderate height (the shortest SD typed by Kibbe is 5’4 Barbara Streisand)....usually a ‘short SD’ will fit into TR unless her bone structure is very sharp and angular overall and she has a lot of curves and rounded flesh on top...but...then again a short person with angular bones and rounded curves (like Reese Witherspoon) seems much more likely to be SG.

OMG same here! I did the quiz and think I am romantic, however perhaps I’m soft dramatic? I’m not sure 🤔

Am 5'6 and am romantic.

Me too! I searched for this video because many people said, that I couldn't be a TR, if I'm 5'7" tall. Should I be a SD now even though Daramatic lines make me look horrible? No way that is true. If I look great in TR and R clothing, my actual height should not matter.

So true- I took the test a couple times and pretty sure I am a SC but....I’m 5’7” 😏

Same! I fit TR perfectly in every way, except my height. It's very confusing

I'm 5'10" so I totally feel that towering over people lmao I also have a petite friend about 5'2" and next to her you totally see my vibe, people even say I look "intimidating" because of how tall and broad I look, but alone on a picture I, too, look the same as you described it, balanced and kinda classic (even though you can still notice my broadness it's not as obvious) That phenomenon in picturesI can explain, as an artist I studied basic anatomy and I guess it looks balanced, because in general your legs are as long as your upper body, thats why you may notice, your arms and head have that vertical line, but the rest looks pretty normal and even proportioned

I wish someone would inform moderators and administrators of Kibbe official FB group, even Kibbe himself about the difference between appearance on photos and reality, when you actually see the size of the person and so hyped and prioritized 'vertical line' has no longer any significance. His FB group is managed by mostly petite ladies who tend to have their own blogs and similar content where they literally create an atmosphere of glorification of petite types, especially G's which gives impression that the entire Kibbe system caters to shorter, petite women. I've read in one of those blogs that 5'2'' woman is typed as SD because 'she has long vertical'. Which is rubbish, IMHO, precisely because of real life vs. photo image impression of someone's height and body mass. If you place two SD's by Kibbe side by side, one being 5'2'' and other 5'10'' the difference is so staggering that it's obvious that they can't be the same 'body image type', nor that they should be wearing the same lines. Also, placing all women taller than5'9'' into FN is ridiculous. Just because someone is tall, doesn't mean their body lines, face or vibe/energy fits into this particular type. All top models are not FN's. Simple as that. FN is not only tall, it's sporty, athletic, strong and muscular, it has particular body built which is most similar to swimmer body type - broader shoulders, wider chest/rib cage but not too much flesh/bust on top of it, nor particularly defined waist line. In older system, FN would be most similar to inverted triangle/inverted pyramid. Woman with hourglass figure, waist, bust, hips is not FN no matter how tall she may be. Nor women who are rectangular and dry but not muscular, or broad, or athletic and strong appearing with top heavy body built in general. To my eyes, Brooke Shields, Stephanie of Monaco and Cameron Diaz are examples of FN body image. I don't see that majority of top models fit into this type. What 'moderate' means in 2020 after all? Average height differs from one race/ethnicity to another and has been change constantly through history. Moderate in Asia or South America is not the same as what is considered moderate in North or Eastern Europe, i.e. Average body size and height in 1950's and today can't be compared. Marylin was size 16 at her time and by current sizing her dimensions fit into size 6, more or less. That means that new generations are much taller and bigger than their ancestors. It was unimaginable that a woman wears shoe size bigger than 37, today many girls, even not so tall ones, are size 40+ in European sizing. What's the point of insisting on vertical line when in person, nobody can hide the actual height and size? It's just ridiculous and imposes insecurities on young people. Not even getting into the 'vibe/energy/personality' moment here, which is, to me, the most important for someone's style. You can look like Grace Kellly, if you are punk/rock chic in your soul, if you have D vibe or N vibe, you won't look nor feel good until your appearance is not in harmony with your true self. Is this how majority of supermodels look like? Don't think so. i.pinimg.com/600x315/2d/9c/05/2d9c05feb465a59d29f1851e2f4d719b.jpg BTW, Cindy Crawford here has 50+, two children, is more dry in flesh due to weight lifting, age and has had tummy tuck. i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/d5/5e/c4d55e80d51c9eafb10f946e8ba632ee.jpg

l am 179cm so 5’ 10 and 1/2... I know exactly what u mean 🥰

I agree. I love the idea behind this but it definitely leaves out multiple genetic lines, bigger bone structures,.... Based off of Caucasian women in the fashion industry I guess. I don't fit either.

I'm 6' and my best friend is 4'10" lol it looks like we belong in a cartoon when we walk next to each other 😂

Tysm

but no though. both Twiggy and Audrey, confirmed FGs, are over 5'7 😭

@@MsJerrySparkle These are exceptions, you are more likely to fail if you follow exception.

SN was moved to

@@lux3370 Can't you see how ridiculous the whole height system is? There are entire continents/races/ethnicity groups who will never have certain height to fit into tallest types. Nor certain features. It's ridiculous. Tall South American or Asian is rather average or even short in North/Eastern Europe. What are 'rounded' eyes in Asia? Or narrow noses in Africa? It's rubbish. What's the point of specific types for petite women if they are going to be placed into taller groups? How tall should vertical line appear in order to place 5'0'' person into tallest groups, like D, SD, FN? What about personal contact where there is no more impressions and appearances, it's pure facts of how tall or big a person really is? How can you dress the same way a woman tall 5'3'' and the one who is 5'11'''? How can they be the same type? It's ridiculous.

By the description that you gave, you look more like a FG - younger than you look and vertical lines

Woah!

I agree with @marmor3, it sounds more like FG.

Same for me. I’m 5’2” and I look taller with long vertical lines. I have a large bust and gain in my bust and stomach first, and I have a narrow waist. I have almond eyes, defined cheeks, and thin lips. Small hands and small feet. I thought I was SG and I’ve been told both FG and SN. So confusing.

Interesting! My mom is a gamine and when we take pictures together you can see we are different, even fashion style, BUT there are genetic similarities in our faces only... Maybe that's where the "looking younger" part comes from, from her, a gamine. As of yet, I always get classic in quizzes. I'm moderate, b cup, 7 1/2 shoe size, I gain weight everywhere equally, nothing is too sharp nor too round. And my style is, as the name suggests, classic haha! Thanks for the feedback. This is a subject that keeps you guessing but I enjoy it 😂

Probably Soft Natural! You belong to the wide shoulders family, come to our side, sis... :D

Adela Setara 😂❤️ thank you. In! I like the style suggestions for this body type.

Yeah! 🤗 🥳 We'll make others envy us for our wide shoulders and our boldness... If you're still struggling with your broad shoulders, just think about how the most beautiful women in the world (who are also Soft/Flamboyant Naturals) have the same width to their shoulders! 😊

Adela Setara , that’s so true 😊

Soft Classic perhaps? You've described me, and I am SC.

Kibbe has said that appearing shorter does not take away your actual physical height. While a short person can dress for a long line a long person will not be able to dress for a short line

@@nicolesmith4371 how does that work?

I guess Lucy Liu isn't officially a Dramatic by Kibbe (she is one of those who gets listed as if he commented on her, though). I could see her as a DC or something like that more likely. A lot of people find it odd he types Beyonce as R and Rihanna as TR...

Na Na I’m guessing for the same reason it’s easier to appear large when you’re small and hard for large things in general to look small because of all the extra stuff that’s physically there. stylesyntax.com/blog/2020/03/15/height-in-kibbe-2020/

@@nicolesmith4371 But don't small things also lack the literally size/mass? with styling tricks, it is easier for a small person to look bigger but we're just talking about the body itself, w/o the heels, paddings, etc

I'm 173 cm and DC. :D

@@Springfairy92 It is posssible yes.

Do you fit soft dramatic?

@@heyitslizzybee I think so, but my preference in life is more natural, I only rarely feel up to being stylized soft dramatic, I’m more athletic and laid back like a natural. Is it possible to combine these to be the casual me while still being soft dramatic? A way to combine with a bit of each element that’s still complimentary? :) thanks

I can‘t definitively help you but... maybe some ideas: Do you think you look a little more like Nina Dobrev (DC) oder Christina Hendricks(SD)? Is your feel a little more ‚womanly‘ and you can ROCK ‚womanly‘ clothing (not just feminine, but more like a sensual woman). (SD) Or is it... a little more sharp. A little more... royal? (DC) Do you notice you shine more because of simple colors? (DC) Or do you shine because of the shape? (SD)

I struggle a lot with this one, the fact is that my body is skinny curvy and my face had some D and E answers. The fact is that soft dramatic is large, bold, exotic. If you had no width and boldness in your body and look skinny curvy you're probably a drmatic classic.

Based on your picture I would guess DC, though it’s hard to tell from one picture. Your face appears more moderate. SD has more exotic features - think like Sophia Loren or Sofia Vergara.

Well, if you're DC, you'll look balanced with just a slight vertical. If you're SD, you'll look tall first, with a lot of curves (S like curves). Also, if you're over 5,7, you're automatically too yang to be a DC. Anyone who is taller than that must be a D, SD ir FN. These are kibbe's own words, from recent times. Hope this helps. You might also look for strickly kibbe for more info :)

Erica Quint dude I absolutely HATE my big head, short legs, and very childish baby face. I want to be taken seriously, dress masculine and classy, etc., without looking like either an 11 y/o girl or 8 y/o boy. It’s also very frustrating when you want to be tall enough to fit in most clothes😂

Yes, that's why Kibbe doesn't rely too much on height. As Aly said, the most important thing is ying/yang balance, and we can appreciate that within our own ethnicity. For example, I'm Latina, meaning there's a lot of mix there; in my group of friends, there's a girl who's almost the same height as I am (5'2"), but she looks tall and I look petite; she's SN and I am SG.

Rihanna actually has very narrow fingers and delicate and small bones. The ONLY element of dramatic she has is her height. And so she is TR. I mean, kibbe typed her himself so... that should tell you what she truly is lol.

I think Kibbe's right. Height alone doesn't decide type and especially when you look at Rihanna's face, she resembles a TR the most. Her hands and feet aren't large relative to her height.

Aphro hmm idk... maybe my eyes still aren’t trained so well with this lol, but when I look at her I definitely see SD? Maybe it is because of her height I see that. And I’m aware Kibbe typed her that lol but I’ve seen some more confusion from other people like on the mens video lots of people commented that they would have typed Elijah Wood a Gamine/Soft Gamine because of his youthful, boyish, features whereas Kibbe typed him a romantic.

@@rafesanimalnoises3176 I see SD for Rihanna too...but honestly whatever hahaha

Aphro kibbe himself said that celebrities lie about their height (which is true) when he types without meeting them in person it can be incorrect and that if he were to meet the celebrity in real life and they are actually as tall as they say he would simply move them to the appropriate category. So Rihanna could very well not actually be a TR

I wondered about that, too. Average height varies quite a bit from country to country or between different ethnic groups. Does that then mean, certain body types are more prevalent there? And that doesn't even touch on the question of populations, where people tend to have a more uniform body type, like the Japanese, for example. Does the Kibbe system even apply to them? I never thought about it before, but it is an interesting question.

No, if your country is taller or shorter than US-standards, the absolute numbers vary. More important is hiw people guess your height vs. what it actually is. I am 1,70 FN, people always guess 1,80.

@@schneeroseful But that doesn't even make sense. I mean, the part about wheather people perceive you as short or tall does, but not the reference to the Kibbe system applying specifically to the USA. The US isn't a country in the sense, say, Norway is a country. With a population that shares (by and large) a similar genetic heritage. It's literally a meltingpot from people from all over the world. So referring to the 'average' height of an American women is a rather meaningless statistic, because it doesn't actually predict the height of the individual women very well. If Kibbe works for American women it should work everywhere...at the very least within Europe.

Rara Avis i think people often overestimate the homogeneity of certain “national” populations to be honest. But even if everyone in one country was 5’i8 or taller I would suspect there’d still be tons of variety. Also Theatrical Romantics at least can be tall. It’d be interesting to see a study of Kibbe type by country, though.

actually it's higher than that lol you guys are at 169 cm as far as I know. Here in Croatia it's about 167 cm, but if you look around you will see women of every height, just like in every other country. Remember, marilyn and beyonce are 168 and 169 cm tall, but are both romantics, while lucy liu is 160 cm tall and a dramatic

I too asked her about that many times, but she never answered :(

The thing is, you manage to be subjective, not objective.

@@raynatumbeva780 Thank you, I always get them confused

I believe she's said she doesn't type people anymore :( but maybe you could go on the reddit forum for the Kibbe types! I've seen lots of people asking for help there.

@@isidoras.9742 I didn't even know there was a subreddit. Thank you for guiding me I will see if they type people 😊

Hello, I totally relate, and i always feel less curvy, less glamourours and less sexy, I'm 5.3" N or SN. I consider SN but when I look at the N/SN celebs i feel so good because they are so gorgeous themselves, you can look at Margot robbie, Jennifer lawrance, Aishwarya Rai, Sunny leone, they all are very hot and glamourous. But yes heavy top and midsection fat makes us look unattractive in times, but i try hard to dress according to my lines and trying to improve my wardrobe day by day.

I'm sure you're gorgeous!! Jennifer Aniston is a Natural and she's one of the most beautiful, graceful, sexy women ever. There are sooo many other beautiful Naturals, like J-Law. I'm a TR and I envy Naturals. Tousled hair, not much makeup, and you can look put together. Plus you get all the cozy oversized clothes and an overall cool vibe.

@@JS-dv9ji I always find TRs so sexy, i mean sometimes all i want is curves and they look so glamours to me ❤

Rahnuma Jahan Teethi thank you!!! I’m glad to know other N/SNs relate :)) I struggled with ED/body dysmorphia, so even now looking at those celebrities I can’t help thinking that even though their faces are gorgeous that they are too broad. but i’m working on it and trying to embrace my body rather than trying to force myself to be something i’m not :)

Kara Stone thank you :)) I agree; I think N/SN can really pull off the laidback look, but sometimes I just want to pull off a really dramatic and glamorous look, and really sexy/tight-fitting clothes just don’t flatter my body. I’m envious of the feminine curves and more delicate bone structure of R types like yourself! it’s so feminine and pretty :)

Kibbe mostly uses these extreme height cut offs people don’t stray away from their image ID. In his typings he is not as strict with it as he has typed a FG who was 5’8” at one point and the latest romantic reveal is 5’5.5”.

@@elektrakomplexet I really agree. Especially for the sizes one inch above the limit : namely 5'8 haha. Because when you're 5'8 I believe you can still have somewhat of a shorter vertical line because you can still have a head big enough to balance that at least a little bit (because I know that 1- people don't think I'm that tall until I tell them, 2- my head's fucking huge guys). And the usual response I get when I say this online? I'm butthurt because I can only be D/SD/FN. Which isn't false, but why am I butthurt? Because I'm sure I'm not 100% wrong lol Anyway thanks for coming to my TEDTalk NB: And in the end FN fits me quite well so shut up me amirite

I’m 5’8 but SN. I think how tall you look is more important than how tall you are. Over all, height is just one aspect of bone structure and doesn’t account for weight distribution at all.

Madison Aubrey Dawson Actually, in Kibbe actual height is important because at one point you will have vertical. If you have to dress for length you have vertical. Even buying longer jeans than average gives you vertical. Height does account for weight distribution too. The taller you are the more room there will be to distribute weight overall. Someone who is 5’2” will not be able to handle the same weight as someone who’s 5’10”. “Looking shorter” is only applicable when you’re around moderate height or lower.

@@elektrakomplexet the weight thing you said is very true. As I said I’m 172cm/5’8, and around 95kg/209pounds. And though it’s obvious I’m overweight, people tell me I don’t look that heavy. And if I had been a few inches shorter it would have been wayyyyy different

Sarah Jessica Parker is the only example I know of a short FN. She’s also 5’3.