Hell Let Loose - Cheaters Never Win! 

You are 100% right. Even though I'm not totally hidden in this clip. You can tell they enemy is looking right at me, before I even notice them. An in game report system would be really nice. Imagine creating a FPS game, and not squashing these cheaters from day 1. I know it must be tough, but some extra effort on the dev side of things, would greatly improve things. Atleast if your gonna cheat, then go play Warzone and cheat in $100k tournaments, like many others do. But to cheat in HLL, is just sad.

​@@TwinCityShreddersmall dick energy like ESPT Valhalla

Omg a first person mode would be a really nice feature to hone in on these players. What is good to hear though, is that admins to want more tools to tackle this issue. That's a real plus! 3rd person view really doesn't give you a good angle. I've never used a server cam obviously, but I like watching those videos. Just for the overhead perspective. Have you seen any videos on software being developed called WALDO? I'm not sure if its just for Warzone, or every FPS game, but it will be able to take a video clip and analyze it for unrealistic human movement and reaction time. We will see how it goes, but it's looking hopeful as far as new anti-cheat development goes.

@@TwinCityShredder Admins and server owners have developed great tools to help reduce the amount of cheaters. I know some servers prevent players from joining their server if there is a game/vac ban on record on their SteamID. As for WALDO, I haven't heard about it. But I will definitely check it out!

@@Jules_Winnfield Thats really great to hear that some admins don't allow people with previous bans to join a server. I wonder how often banned players try to join, it must be somewhat frequently. I have a firefox browser extension, that allows me to see who I just played with that has a previous bans. Almost every game, has atleast 2 players. I find more banned players during the day than at night.

Devs aint bothered, they got their MONEEEEEYZ lol

I'm not even sure a 1st person cam is needed. What's needed are simply more tools. Literally, some of the code from cheats can be incorporated for the Admin tools. Let us see the circles on the ground the cheaters sees that tells them they are in danger from things like Arty and Nades. Let us have our choice of guns to point at a player. And let us shoot the player. This of course should be used sparingly, and only on people you are already fairly certain are cheating. It could prove the cheating, or simply be used to provide undeniable evidence. Like, did you shoot him 3 separate times with a pistol so that he has to use 3 bandages, but he's not a medic? Well, if he uses that 3rd bandage, it's proof of cheating. But it can also be used to prove he has buffed health, which is what may have allowed that last guy to survive. I will say this. What I saw wasn't necessarily evidence of cheating. First, they tended to not know where you were. Most cheaters will know. Second, the last guy, you may have hit him in the arm, which is only going to injure him. As for the automatic rifleman, I would have to know what weapon he used. The Bar is actually best used like a rifle if the person is at range. You can't control the recoil for sustained bursts. That gun has seriously been nerfed, but at the time of this recording, I think it was still pretty lethal at range. But, what I did see for certain was some solid gameplay by you. 👍

Thanks bud. It's very boring to play the game like this, but it had to be done:)

@@TwinCityShredder It doesn't make for the best viewing but I have times where I separate from my squad and play rambo. Sometimes it's necessary when your team is focused on a single strategy. Keep up the great content.

@@AffableGuacamole I agree. Sometimes you have to separate when you see something that others don't.

It seems that every game has it's cheaters, and unless you move on to single player games, you will still run into these people. It's hard to move on from a game that you love. And to let someone take the fun away from you is a real bummer. I'm hoping BF2042 helps take the cheaters away from HLL. If cheaters are looking to wreck someones game time, then they will be more successful in BF2042. Fingers crossed.

I feel ya man. This game definitely does a better job of getting rid of cheaters because a majority of the servers are community run. Most of the obvious ones usually get caught by admins, and I know for a fact that a majority of the communities share ban info with each other and the devs. But if all else fails, I agree with Shredder. Let's just hope Battlefield takes them away lol

Same here.. =(

@@Jules_Winnfield man , trust me, the cheaters who manage to remain tye whole match just play solo and u will see them always detached from other players, they mainly use ESP and keep and eye on their scores . Blatant is the ones who walk straight at you . Those who you know it's impossible to see you from their original positions . They get close to you and one shot you. Admins and players don't work together all they want is to look pretty and have a high score. No one bothers changing team to fuxkl this guys or observe them

@@user-ho9xh9uo7d the only thing I can suggest is to continue to ping admins about suspect players. Like Shredder said, there's always going to be a few bad apples falling through the cracks

I still find it funny, that people say there's no cheaters in this game. While I have only ran into about 60 blatant cheaters, I know when something is suspicious at the very least. We have had members in the Discord, talk about bullets coming from the sky, being killed through entire buildings, and many other ways. When you are an honest player, these things seem out of the ordinary. I am just thankful that the TTK is still very low. If the devs ever raise it more than it is now, then this game will fall apart, like every good FPS ever has.

Boy do I wish something could be done. The answer is, it can be, Black Matter chooses not to. I'm having a hard time recognizing what servers have an actual active Admin. Let alone the servers that have banned vote kicking. A feature the community begged for for a long time. On average there is 5 to 10 people with previous VAC and Game bans in every match. It's really sad, that this pay for skill method is what people resort to, when they cannot win any other way.

My monitor is an ASUS VG27AQ. My settings are fairly complex in windows, so here is a video I did for update 9, that explains the windows side of things: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0dIdBEgFxlo.html While I am still using these settings, when Update 10 and Patch 16 came out, it gave me a couple more FPS to work with so I use these in-game settings: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Qm6nm0UzEw.html Hope this helps:)

It could only be FOV. Mine is 105. I top out at the same speed as you, a whopping 8.9mph full sprint, haha.

@@TwinCityShredder I play at 100 if I remember correctly. Maybe that slight difference makes it look like different move speeds. I do hope that they add some server settings for move speed so that a soldier can run rather than shuffle across the field lol. Thanks for the reply

There was 2 matches played with these players. You can tell the one player walked right towards me, looking right at me, as I waited by the Garrison. They shouldn't have any knowledge of where I was. I was there to protect that spawn point, and the enemy hadn't made it this far into the map yet. Not sure what cheats are being used. I know cheats are very sophisticated these days, but also not perfect. These players knew where every Garrison was placed. Could be stream sniping and not ESP.

The sad part is squad leaders use it as well and admins know

I have felt the game getting progressively worse when it comes to cheaters. Imagine having that fragile of an ego. There was a player on my team last night that had an 800 combat score and spent the whole match laying inside of a building. Level 8. He got booted though. This will get worse over time but I always state at least this game has a low TTK. So there's always a chance to break that player when you're solo or with a couple players.

Hahaha, terrible hit detection. This has happened to me hundreds of times as of recently.

@@TwinCityShredder no I meant your end of video outro where you hear gunfire then a guy screaming lol so funny

There is many ways to cheat but in this scenario, there was aimbot in play. Throughout this match, the enemies I finally took down, had only headshots on my whole squad multiple times, from 300+ meters each time. It's really hard to have evidence unless I switch teams, but they seemed to know where all of our garrisons were too. As if they were watching someone's stream. We would build a couple garrisons and within a few minutes, 3 to 4 garrisons would go down at a time. In this clip, I decided to go protect a vulnerable Garrison, knowing they would come this way. You can see the first guy I killed, was walking right at our Garry, and was already pre aiming right at me, before being able to see it. Using steam tracker, all 4 of these players were friends, and all of them had previous bans all on the same day, less than 100 days before this match. Aimbot is very sophisticated nowadays, and it's hard to spot, when there's no kill cam. Unfortunately unreal engine 4 has had cheat makers for years now, so it's easy for them. When I see someone with an unbelievably high score, and a really low level player, who hasn't had time to learn the maps, but seems to know where everyone is, I try to take into account everyone on the map, and where everyone is dying. Sometimes when I suspect someone of cheating, I'll hop onto their team and realize that they are on artillery. But other times I'll hop on and realize that they're a medic with an 800 plus offensive score. Then I can look at their achievements in steam and look at the date and time that they got certain achievements. When you see someone who's been playing the game for 10 hours, and has already hit the 50 kill streak without dying, and they didn't do it with artillery, then I have to suspect that something is up. I have to dig for about an hour on each suspected chester before I can determine if they are cheating. It's not full proof obviously, but there are indicators. I never want to give hackusations against someone who is legitimate, as it defeats the purpose, and does no good for the game itself. I'd hate to shame someone, who just literally landed their best game they've ever had. I die alot just like everyone else, but I almost never lose a gunfight to the same person more then twice in a match. If I do, they are usually in a tank or on artillery. An In game report function would help alot in HLL. In games like COD, a cheater can ruin someone's game, but that game is only 15 minutes long. In HLL, a cheater just adds to the frustration of the entire match that could last an hour and a half. For some people, it maybe all the time they have during the day to game. So it's just really sad to see in this game, especially when the player count isn't as large as those AAA games. Plus the community is so good in HLL, and isn't full of kids, like COD is. It's like getting your mailbox smashed, the mailbox might have been smashed because of some shitty kids, but in reality all you did was piss my dad off, haha.

@@TwinCityShredder great response dude. Yeah I’ve been noticing I’d get hit from really far away but the most damaging cheating is when someone on the same team as you is feeding info to their friend on the enemy team. I’ve heard also the phrase “rubberbanding” lol

@@denialoflife1413 rubber banding usually refers to the stutters you get after jumping a fence. But I have had people join my squad and try to relay recon from the other team, and I just call them out on it and tell them nobody cares. That usually works. Anything for an edge, even though in 2 minutes the game can drastically change. It's just so petty.

If I had walls I would up my average kills by 30. This video was from long ago, when cheaters were less prevalent. But this guy was running directly to every garrison, within 2 minutes of them going up. Still some sus stream sniping and cheaters but at least with a low ttk, they're easily mitigated.

That sucks to hear. This game is being infested with cheaters. There is so many times, where an enemy has know my location, without me peeking or standing, or hiding in complete cover. There is alot at play here though. Some textures do not render in, and while you think you are hidden, you are actually visible. Not that this was your experience though, just saying that there is some thing in the game that prevent you from being concealed sometimes. I have been shot though walls of a house. I've been shot though both sides of a full size house. I've been shot by the PPSH from 300+m away multiple times too. Many servers have banned the vote kick. Which defeats the purpose, and removes a feature that many people begged for, for a long time. It's just sad to see a dev team that doesn't care about catching cheaters. They could up their anti-cheat, they could add better server admin tools, they could do more overall. When you die by a cheater, it's pretty easy to tell that something is off. The only thing you can do, is change servers, or switch teams and stalk the cheater, and if they are cheating, then team kill them until they leave, then report them on steam. Keep the fight at a distance, and wipe them out, like you did on that empty server. My Discord doesn't have any cheaters, and you are welcome to join us. dsc.gg/soupsandwich

@@TwinCityShredder thanks for that! Yeah I mean for real, just played a round, I got to the enemy spawn to kill their arty right? Just me on foot. Listen to this right? When I'm about 100 Mt's he stops firing, I'm prone and get to around 40 Mt's from him prone right? He starts walking towards me with no line of sight or sound, goes around a wall, a tall edge comes around and shoots me one in the head. Like it was impossible to hear me or see me, no clan affiliation . Just a cheater sitting on the arty farming kills solo. Gets better, I report him to Admin right? After the initial usual " how do you know he's cheating from players...Admin says "I've checked logs and cams,there's nothing no one cheating" u see what i mean ?😂😂😂 mind u we were losing 4-1 u see where this is going right....bunch fucking losers. Twice I've come across this guy different servers. Cheaters are accepted by dumb players who serve as meat and admins who know and allow this to go on. Bunch of feeders bro.

@@user-ho9xh9uo7d your not wrong. Admins have no way of knowing. You'd have to watch that player and be very knowledgeable about how cheats work. I would never want to blame someone for cheating, who is actually legit, but at the same time, the more you use cheats, then better you get at hiding them. What is your experience with cheats? I don't mean anything like have you used them before? I'm wondering if you know what to look for when it comes to cheating? I ask because I'm going to be opening up my server soon, and wondering if you would be interested in being one of the admins? Not something you have to check on all the time, but the more eyes we have watching an open server the better chance we have to remove cheaters from the server for good.

WTF umm 88 Kill streak? As infantry? And a low level player. Were they playing as sniper? This kind of stuff irritates the shit out of me. No one, and I mean no one is great at this game from day 1. We all know this game is brutal. I often give someone the benefit of the doubt, because they could be in a tank or artillery, but as infantry, it doesn't make any sense unless they downloaded their skills. If the community was more aware, they could band together. Unfortunately there is still very naive people who think this game has no cheaters in it.

@@TwinCityShredder No. He was playing as a rifleman.

I haven't played War Thunder. But pay to win systems must prevent cheaters somewhat. I've believed for a long time now that the devs don't actually play this game. If they do then what PC specs are they using to achieve steady playable performance. Also, if they played the game, they would realize how bad the hurdling is, and how you can stand on a truck and bullets stop 2 inches from your face. I actually had a rocket blow up in my face, while I was standing in a gap of a wood fence. Just adding to the lack of caring about the game. I wish they would realize just how awesome this game is, and get a fire lit under their asses, and focus on the core content of the game, and save it's very small dedicated player base. I've seen 4th graders care more about their science project, than the devs caring about this game. They think we want content, meanwhile bugs still exist from years ago. But then again, maybe we have become spoiled in this gaming sphere and are asking too much, or maybe all devs have gotten to comfortable releasing an unfinished game, hoping to work out the bugs as time goes on. If Warzone isn't a perfect example of lack of oversight, then I don't know what is. Edit: Who was the person who left the team? I didn't hear about this.

@@TwinCityShredder It was Jonno, you can find his farewell in the "telegrams" area on there discord. But he left because his time with the company was up, never worked for a company like that so idk how it works exactly but you see it all the time with game dev studios. New people coming and going and leaving for one reason or another, Old School RuneScape is a good example of that. But he didn't just up and leave, I dont think

@@Asymmetric7 I'm sure there is some form of freelance contract. But I can see how this industry has a revolving door of employees. Thanks for the info. Some people really care about their job and how their work is perceived.

they deny it lol

The devs could add a report in game feature. But then they would actually have to communicate with unhappy players. Because HLL has such a low player base, EASY Anti-Cheat is free to use. We all know that free shit usually doesn't work very well. It's a real shame, and my god it must be fucking boring. It seems like it was low FOV aimbot. So it wasn't blatant rage hacking like I've seen before. But still it's just so pathetic to cheat.

@@TwinCityShredder the devs can come up with a modified killcam. the killcam is 30minute delayed and you can review it 30mins after the death occured. it should show both your perspective and the killer's cam + a button where u can report a player. i think theyre not putting killcams bec of the risk of exposing the enemy positions and structures. but with a delayed killcam, a 30minute delay most likely is too outdated to give off current enemy positions. i mean if i can think of a possible solution that makes sense how come devs cant think of these shiiitsss

@@aznpwr9900 A kill cam would be excellent, but it would jeopardize location and spawns if there wasn't a delay. If a kill cam would assist in catching cheaters, then I'm all for it. An in game report button would really go along way, but then Black Matter would have to set up an email, and actually talk to their player base and solve real issues. They wouldn't have to do any of this, if their anti-cheat actually worked.

While the situation has gotten worse with all these new players in the game, there is players that seem to have a game sense that players with 4000 hours don't even have. As far as the shooting a guy from 5m goes, the hit reg is awful in this game, and it's very common to shoot a guy from under 10m, and it not register to the player, even though you saw blood. This is way too common and pisses me off so f'ing bad. This was made worse in U13.5, and has barely gotten better over the last 8 months. Tank penetration was ruined as well. I have a ton of time in this game, but I have definitely many times, been hit beyond 200m, made a 180 turn and got a headshot. So this situation is subjective, but not impossible. I'd have to see the clip to determine it. The cull distance of objects are all messed up too, so while you may be laying in grass, anything beyond 100m might not even render in. So you could be completely visible to the enemy. This game has been left up to active admins to determine whether someone is cheating and it's not always obvious, and T17 has zero plans to up the anti-cheat, or give us tools to help figure it out. Take note of your suspicions, then download the "Ban Checker for Steam" extension for your browser, and confirm your suspicions by checking the recently played with section of your friends list. Check Steam in the browser, not the app. The 1 thing HLL has going for it, it the gun play itself. If they change the skill to shoot, then you will essentially take away what people keep coming back for. They could improve the skill gap, by going back to the old meta, where almost every loadout had rifles, and not SMG's. I preferred it back then as everyone had to learn to be better. Plus, the TTK and damage values have changed many times already, and the community like it where it is. If the hit reg worked properly, it would be perfect. The game used to be a 1 hit kill with any rifle at any distance, in any appendage. But now its varied, and the Garand and Kar98 and other similar rifles are a 2 hit kill past 200m, which isn't reliable, but their is different hit boxes, for legs, arms, body, and head. Also, enemies render in at 500m now, to give new players a chance to stay alive, although tanks can see you at 1000m. The ballistics system changed in U6, where it used to have a laser system, where no matter the distance, the bullet hit the target at the same time as you pulled the trigger, so it's improved alot over the years. The leading the enemy part, I feel is very accurate to real life, which many real life veterans who saw combat, would agree. Zero distancing is something that is coming, but is definitely not needed, when enemies don't render in until 500m, plus there is enough campers already, so zeroing just adds to that, which is sad. Sway is something the playerbase was furious about when the British was introduced. Sway is not necessary, and the holding breath is shorter than a real person would hold their breath, so making it shorter isn't needed either. HLL aims to be arcadey and tactical. If you want more realist, then Squad 44, Squad, ARMA Reforger, or ARMA, are the games you should look into. Although the gun play will feel slow and outdated compared to HLL. just a note, but players run about 8mph, which I assume anyone with a gun in WW2, could hit a target running that slow.

@@TwinCityShredder great reply. Thanks for the time to give me that info. Would take me a while to put all this together. I hear you on the hit issues. I had a bolt action the other day and came face to face with an enemy 5 metres apart. I shot first and blew his right should away to only see his right arm raise and kill me with a burst while im loading a round...I thought ahh so there is no effect there then, i wont be going for leg shots either then (Dayz leg shots may break your leg and put you on the floor). I was a little frustrated a couple of days ago. Game ended. I had 2 infantry kills, 1 officer kill and get this, 42 enemy hits and I died 11 times. I am recording all of my games now so i can look back at what i missed at the time.

@@hullster9970 recording is great for that reason. You will notice things you just subconsciously missed. The amount of enemies I see in my recordings, but never saw while gaming is crazy. The game could use an uplift in damage areas, because an arm shot won't kill, but a shot to the tips of the fingers will.

Well, it seems as developers are feeling the same struggle, so in the near future I think we will see a movement back in to couch co-op style games. I'm ok with this, as I think the genre is dying. Devs release unfinished games, that take months/years to work out the bugs, isn't making the gaming community excited to game. Maybe in the future, FPS games will be accessed through an online server only, which would help the cheater issue. I just find it sad that so many players need to cheat to feel good about their gaming, because it's not like HLL is like COD, where you have to cheat just to stay alive. I hear cheaters say that they cheat because they hate the developers, but HLL has no reason to cheat, as the game is super hard no matter what you do. It's most likely a mental health issue. Buy all these pro streamers are really setting the bar, when they make thousands of dollars, and cheat at the same time. Some of us have morals, even if we don't succeed.

I definitely do not want to shame someone who is innocent, but you need to share how you got this info. Especially if profiles are private. And in a world with hardware ID spoofers, a cheater can remain undetected forever.

@@TwinCityShredder Searching Name, Searching prior names on google, other platforms, other games, adding them as freinds just to see the profiles yadayadayada. They always accept friend request and you can quick check and delete them again same with ther friends. Just from the games they owned and playtimes i just say they was probably just better then average players

I think we will see a change in gps games in the future. I think small 4 player co-op games will be one popular. Even cheaters don't want to play against cheaters. Maybe some crazy anti-cheat will come out and save this genre of gaming.

Optimization is better than it used to be, but I swear patch 16 (FPS fix) only lasted like 3 days. Still to this day, a gtx 1060 is the most used GPU on steam. But this game really takes a GPU that's impossibly to get, and cost an arm and a leg, to maintain 60fps. Hopefully these new Intel GPU's flood the market and drop prices a bit. All I can suggest is to revisit the game after each update. It seems like most people do that. I know someone who purchased this game during the kick starter and still hasn't played a full match because of performance.

@@TwinCityShredder that's what I end up doing every update. Went back to Rising Storm 2 Vietnam and bought Squad. Pretty addicted to Squad. I think you might like Squad.

@@TwinCityShredder I agree with everything said. For example, I use 1050ti and 10 GB of RAM, besides using 7 windows. Yes, I play at minimal settings, but I love this game. The only thing that annoys me is the bug with disabling the voice chat.

@@UnworthyAdventurer I've watched squad, and it just seems pretty slow paced. Which is fine in the tactical aspect of things. But I've read it could be 20 minutes till you reach a battle. And I have a feeling the player base takes this game very seriously. Which I'm all for.

@@user-lp1vk3db9d hopefully the new update 11 will finally fix voice chat. I hear we are Atleast getting volume control. Also, the comms provider has stated before that HLL is the most demanding game they've ever worked on. Atleast someone is constantly working on it. Your setup should be adequate to get 40fps on the low side, which is playable, but barely, based on monitor technology and the prevention of screen tearing. I assume your on 1080p?

It's pretty easy to take down a cheater with a low TTK. But in my 3k hours, I've seen about 60 blatant cheaters. Raging and speed cheats. But there's an extension you can get for your browser that will show you who has previous bans. There are about 10 players with previous game and VAC bans in every match. Because the game doesn't give you a kill cam or spectate mode or anything like that, so the only way to really catch someone would be to use ESP and run around and see who's locking onto players, and who's running directly at garrisons from 300m away. But the last cheat developer I looked into had over 900 paid members for HLL. There are cheaters, their just impossible to notice if their toggling or using a low FOV aimbot.

I was in matches with these individuals prior to this match. All 3 suspected players had Game Bans on the same day, just months prior. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

@@TwinCityShredder nothing in this video points to cheating tho.... ive head shot with the BAR from 200+ yards out on a quick burst... and i only have 22 hours. If they were cheating your hiding and peaking wouldnt work...

There is about 5-10 previously VAC or GAME banned cheaters in every match. The state of FPS games is in a terrible state right now, and no hope of it getting better. These devs are out to lunch, and could do way more for the community, but choose not to. It's really sad.

They cheat because the thought of them being terrible at a video game is way too much for their ego to bare. Thankfully the game still has a 1 hit kill for some guns, so cheaters don't make it very far in this game, before they quit and uninstall.

Their "win" is fraudulent. It means nothing. They're immoral thugs who don't mind ruining everyone else's experience for their own gratification.