Helldivers 2 - Four Generations of AMD Ryzen Processors (2000, 3000, 5000, 7000 and X3D) 

just found your channel and I like what I see.

I wonder whether or not the dual CCD's on the 5900x are affecting things at all. I know that for some games the 5600x could actually perform better because it was on a single CCD.

I think he mentioned that in the other video

@@Skeames1214 Like @quintrapnell3605 said. Link's in this pinned comment. I test 12 core and one ccd disabled (6 core)

@@TerraWare Ah, my bad, just kind skipped over the (12 and 6 core) part. Thanks!

At this point you may as well wait to see what the next Ryzen is and also keep an eye out on Intel since their next CPU's sound like they will be pretty good. You will have to upgrade platform regardless so. Unless you go with a 5800X 3D lol which is a really good gaming CPU if you wanted to save a bunch of money.

just buy a 5500 for 90$ or 5600 for 135$. You will need a new Mobo, and ram if you upgrade the the AM5 7800X3d. Update your motherboard bios to the most current, and you should be able to drop any 5000 series chips as an instant upgrade. You can get a 5700X3d if you want to spend a little more. You could get more or better DDR4 ram for cheap right now too. I dropped a 5500, 32gb of 3200Mhz ram, and a RX 6600 into my old B350 gen 1 ryzen motherboard and it plays cyberpunk and helldivers fine. Wait for the newer 7000 series AM5 stuff to get cheap.

If budget is a concern, wait until the next gen is coming out then you can get the 78003D for hundreds cheaper than now. Plus you will need an entirely new computer so all the other parts are going to be expensive. Expect around the $2000-5000 mark in todays inflation for a high tier gaming build. That is unless you buy older hardware. Which prices are not that much lower than current tbh.

This game is based off a very old engine when it was being developed. imagine if it was on like unreal engine 5 or frostbite something more modern it would be hogging resources like no tomorrow.

I would hold off on getting the 7800X3D because the Ryzen 9000 series is going to release soon and you’re going to have to change out your motherboard and ram in the process. To hold you over I’d get a 5000 series Ryzen chip like a 5700X3D.

Yeah DLDSR works or changing scale in game to supersampling if you have the GPU headroom.

10900k/ 4080 super here. Noticed same thing, CPU and 4080 super both sit around 50-60 while playing helldivers.

Funny thing is, playing the game from linux it's not very cpu intensive at all and my 7900xtx usually averages around 120-140 fps in 4 player games getting full gpu utilization, very very rare situations it can drop down to around 70.

I’m in kind of a similar circumstance. I currently run a 5800X with a 4070 Ti. I feel that I’m not ready to switch out my motherboard and ram quite yet. Maybe I’ll get a 5800X3D or just wait for Ryzen 9000 to release.

@@badmoose01 A 7800x3d will resell for very near it's purchase price after ryzen 9000 comes out. Ryzen 9000 will be out later this summer or early fall, so you could wait, or you could get a 7000 and sell it later allowing you to avoid the early launch issues and madness of trying to get your hands on a newly launched product. It's always best to wait 3-4 months after a product launches, or be prepared and willing to deal with some weirdness.

Same lol. I got mine when insurgency sandstorm came out and man, even just changing that before upgrading my 970 to a 1080 was pretty big. Now here with an RX 6800 XT, a new CPU should really breathe life into my pc.

@@wileymanful Yeah, especially in those 1%. I upgraded to a 12600K two years ago, massive performance uplift in new games. But there are some that didn't see a big uplift. Depends a lot on what you play.

Thanks. Yea the 3700X vs 5900X results was very surprising, so surprising I actually ended up putting it back on my AM4 PC and double checking the numbers I was getting before publishing this and they matched. You could have a point with the CCD's although you'd still expect it to be faster. I think it warrants a bit more investigation perhaps.

They are using extremely cpu heavy drm and anticheat combination. I actually can't play this game because of it as I have i5 8400 (ryzen 2600 conpetitor back in the day).

@@magikarp2063 You could be right but I have tried to look at this, keeping task manager open on the other monitor while gaming and seeing the amount of CPU the anti cheat is utilizing and its barely any while gaming. CPU utilization is weird in this game though. My 5900X CPU usage is often the same or high than my 3700X and the FPS is practically the same between the two. It kind of doesnt make sense. The 3700X is previous gen with 8 cores and the 5900X 12 core and has improved IPC. I wish I had some Intel CPU's to test but this is just CPU's Ive had over the years I held on to. The Ryzen platform was just easy to upgrade to so I stuck with it.

The vertical 3D cache will benefit only when the game utilizes it. Especially if the game isn't optimized properly, and requires high-volume access to system memory. If the Dev did their job, optimizing their games before launch, you won't need that large L3 cache. In this case, I see hell divers 2 is utilizing the last level cache in a good way

@@TerraWare Its very strange for 5900X isn't faster then 3700X while cpu limited. 12 cores does not matter vs 8 cores in gaming but there is significant IPC gains between the 2 generations. Its probobly a number of issues at the same time.

I did check out DX11, made a video about it like 10 days ago but with the 7900XTX and 7800X 3D not 5900X.

It took more time than it perhaps should have. Its a learning experience though. It's like when I order food. I want a lot of it but end up eating half lol

Thank you so much. I appreciate the nice comment and appreciate you watching. I will continue to improve my game.

I completely agree. I really enjoy your channel and find your benchmarks to be really entertaining. Congrats on 1k!

If you have a 4090 you would see a pretty good jump in performance going from 3900X to a 5800X 3D for sure. This game's just kind of a pain to test for because of its procedural generated nature of its content.

It must be for sure. I have a 5900x and a 4090 and I am getting on average 90 to 95 fps @ 4k resolution. That is with discord and various other programs running in the background also.

@@DogFart22 I was getting that FPS in my 3080Ti video with just PBO but I was also on single player with 55% cpu use. Here its less FPS but a lot of stuff going on with 75% CPU use. I will more than likely look into this, maybe do this same OC vs PBO. If that's causing around a massive 30% drop in performance I will be shocked but anythings possible and it has me intrigued.

For an RX580 a Ryzen 2600 is a pretty good match. I had this very 2600 paired with one years ago.

I did a followup video to this. Check the link in my pinned comment.

Yeah Ryzen 2000 is rough these days. Dropping in a 5800X 3D is a good cost conscious option.

You totally should! I have a 3070ti and had a Ryzen 2600 and could barely get over 45fps while playing at 1440p medium settings. Recently upgraded to the 5800X3D and now I'm averaging 80-90fps on pretty much maxed out settings. It is a night and day difference!

@@penguyen25 lmao, double the fps with even better settings.. funnily enough what you were getting before is literally what I'm getting now. 5800X3D will be coming in next weekend after I sell my old GPU so I'm looking forward to it for sure, just gotta figure out what cooler I'll use.

@@wileymanful yeah it's crazy how much more I'm enjoying the game now. I'm excited for your upgrade as well! I'm using a Noctua air cooler on my set up. I'm interested in knowing what performance you get once your new CPU comes in

@@penguyen25I'll be sure to update. the main thing is that I was thinking about getting the dark rock pro 4 from bequiet because it looks really sleek and the temperatures are WAY better than my hyper 212 evo, but my current cooler already conflicts with my first DIMM slot, so I have to research and see if that big ol cooler wont block the rest of my RAM slots.

At this point you're probably better off waiting for the next Ryzens or Intel CPU's. Worse case you get the current 7000 Ryzens for a cheaper price.

There can be a lot of variability between missions. Personally I have seen dips to the mid 60's with 5900X in intense fighting moments but its usually around 80 or 90+. I'll be uploading a new video today retesting the 5900X 12 core and half the cores disabled and 3700X. I made sure to do the same exact missions. The 5900X is noticeably faster. I also did a similar video looking at Last Epoch. the 5900X is 30% faster than 3700X. Its around what you'd expect.

You are GPU bound yea so reducing graphical setting or reducing the render scale. Benchmark King did a pretty good video going over the setting and how demanding each is for optimized settings. Check it out if interested he does good work.

That is a very good point. I think its something CCD related too.

Update? Edit: sorry just read the edit 😂. How does it go for you on higher difficulties than 6? Does your new cpu hold up well on that difficulty?

It's impossible to get an identical scenario running twice in this game. I usually spend whatever time necessary to make this happen in my comparisons but this game is different. Solo I can do it but without a group you're not really stressing the hardware.

which is why I won't see my older favorite channels bother showing results for it.

I run 5800X3D PBO -28 all core, RAM 3800CR1 Dual Rank with FCLK@1900, 7900XTX Sapphire Nitro+ in performance bios toggle with +15 pwr limit, 2900Mhz Core clock, and Fast VRAM timing toggled in Adrenaline. From what I can tell I am hosting more often now with these settings but when I am the host I notice CPU bottleneck at 1440p resolution. I assume some of my cores are helping host and I drop to 88 FPS when this happens and shit hits the fan in-game. Frame limit is set to 120 and Async compute is active.@@TerraWare This host dynamic really makes it hard to bench but it also may indicate to me whether or not I am the host. Power plan is set to max as well. Before when it was set to Balanced and my card was set to quiet bios I am pretty sure I was hosting less. The host theory has risen to debate because of a bug with the Damage over time effects.

before the mech patch, right before.

@@TerraWareAh. Have you noticed that object detail on high is now using massively more performance than previously? In general, the game seems to run MUCH worse than it used to before the patch 01.000.100, which is the patch before the mechs.

@@Waldherz Havent really noticed it. Always run it on high but thats interesting.

I have made other 5900X videos in HD2 with the 3080Ti and performance is similar but you are right certain planets can be more taxing than others. I stuck to Meridian for this entire video trying to keep things as similar as possible.

I hurts mate I just bought the 7800x3d it's 50 dollars expensive But I can get a cheaper ram i guess sooo ... For all sad the 7800x3d owners F.

@@UvaisKarni9815 Its definatelly worth it if its only 50$ more for you. If I have to sell my 7700x when you consider the insane ebay tax, its going to cost me over 150$ so just not worth it for me personally.

Yeah probably not worth really upgrading to the X3D if you already have a 7700X.

Yeah I think it deserves some digging into. I even went back and threw my 3700X back into my AM4 PC to see if the numbers were in the same ballpark and they were.

I also think it is worth mentioning I have got a good amount of comments from people with Ryzen 5600x/5700x and 5800X saying they are getting 100% CPU utilization. Just thought of this. This same high CPU utilization can be seen on my other Helldiver videos as well. There's something going on here I think.

@@TerraWare the game seems good, but looks like a nightmare to benchmark😅

I have a 5800x and 4080 and it’s very mission and planetary condition dependent. There is a planet called Hellmire that my PC gets destroyed by consistently. My 1% lows across all planets are probably around 70-80 and my average fps id say is around 90-100. I’ve had times where I dipped into the 60s in extremely demanding outliers.

I’m seeing the same thing with my 5900x as well. Very curious to know if the 5900x has some sort of issue in this game

I don't have any unfortunately.

I think its something I may have to look at, or maybe CCD is adding more latency effecting performance.

I actually did that video a couple of weeks ago. Retested the 5900X with and without one CCX disabled and 3700X. Link is in my pinned comment. I just pinned it.

It could be, ram, cpu instructions per clock (IPC), frequency a combination of factors your system or even the game engine in some cases preventing your GPU from running maxed out. Unfortunately you cant really measure a CPU bottleneck in the same way as GPU since game engines don't utilize the CPU fully in the same way they do GPU's. Games tend to not utilize all cores and threads evenly and most games are still very single core dependent. So you may have an 8 core CPU and one or two may be at 90% but the rest are at 30% for example. The total CPU usage will be the average of all cores and threads if that makes sense. So you could be CPU limited even though TOTAL CPU use isn't at 90%+ A good indication of being CPU limited is when your GPU isn't able to run maxed out at 98/99% if that makes sense. CPU limited, system limited it implies the same thing essentially.

If I had one I definitely would have.

What GPU do you have??

@@mannyman139 4070 Ti Super, playing at 3440x1440

@@RedArmsTOR damn I was planning this upgrade.... I got 5600 now with my 4070tiS and thought going to 5800x3d would help. I am running on 2560x1080 (with superresolution) but its dropping to 40-45fps.

@@Fenrir_Wolf Yeah... do not get me wrong 90% it is fine. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0f7gKXMNM68.html Those heavy moments... though... I am considering going to the 7800x3D

This game need optimisation thats all...

You just enable it in the monitoring tab of the settings like you do everything else. Than go on the benchmark tab and bind a key to "begin recording" when you press this key in the game it will begin recording your averages, 1% lows, 0.1% lows and everything else. Everytime you press this bound key it begins recording anew. Does that make sense?

@@TerraWare perfect thanks

Big upgrade.

Well 60-80

Yes so the way CPU bottlenecks work, or presents itself in the performance metrics is different to that of the GPU (graphics card). With the graphics card its easy if you are at 99% your are GPU bound, basically the graphics card is the limit to your performance. If the GPU usage drops below 99% (in majority of cases) you are CPU bound, which is a term that generally encompasses your processor or your ram, your system basically. Unlike GPU's CPU's arent fully utilized by game engines in the same way, games are more single core dependent, cache and IPC sensitive so you could be CPU bound even if you are only utilizing 40% or 60% of your CPU. What we look at to determine a CPU bottleneck is primarily GPU utilization, if it drops below 99% your performance is being limited by your system.

@@TerraWareThanks for that clear explination. I would have thought game engines would be optimised for 4 core utilisation not single core, or share workload in 2024

Intel is at best 10% slower than the 7800x3d so many tests have shown that

@@justmeayerk yes I’m aware of that now

5800X 3D will probably be in between 5900X and 7700X if I had to guess. Only concern is I have got comments from some 7900XTX owners saying they are still experiencing crashing in the game. my 7900XTX was very stable in this game with the latest 24.2.1 driver but I figured you should know. The game is very good and a lot of fun. Easy to find group to play.

@@TerraWare thanks very much for such information and for advice its nice from u !!i will have 7800 3d later for sure but must change mother bord and ram and CPU !!will wait for some deal in net and buy !!have great day !!ta ke care

I’m consistently getting 80-90fps at 4k with 5800x3d and 7900xtx 3600mz ddr4. In game settings are mixed. Take Advantage of AMD super resolution. It works great!

@@gentlemenjack1643 thanks so much for this information will help!!have great time

Yup it is one thing I really like about it but the 7700X is also a very fast gaming CPU regardless. I think I will be doing more tests of the two moving forward.

Its hard to make direct comparison in this game due to its random and unpredictable nature unfortunately. The 5900X shows to perform almost identical to 3700X. In reality it's quite a bit faster. I retested the 5900X and 3700x, link in my pinned comment more thoroughly and 5900X is quite a bit ahead.

I don't. These are all the Ryzen processors I own. Its just stuff I upgraded from I ended up holding on to.

Sounds about right.

Yeah I agree. There is a lot going on and the frametime doesn't crumble when the game is CPU bound which is important for more consistent experience.

I think all good PC games I have experienced have been brutal to budget hardware and still show signs of being bottlenecked by the system even if its maxed out high end. The kind of games that people will still be playing after a year or two that have more to give when new hardware is released. Which just so happens to be a cash cow if you review PC hardware or post benchmark content.@@TerraWare Plus if its not live service or multiplayer its fun to revisit a final patch and see how far you can stretch your legs.

Yeah it would be. If I had all 8 cores from all gens I would've went for it.

If you play at 4K the 5950X will be fine. Sure there will be some CPU heavy games where it will hold the 4090 back to some extent but that happens even with a 7800X 3D or 14900K in some games.

@@TerraWare your results comparison of the 5000 and 7000 are pretty much what I found before. The 7000 series just about doubles fps. So it hurts a little to know Im missing that. I game at 5120x1440 and its 11% less pixels than 4k. Watching people game at 4k is usually how I gage a game will play for me.

It's probably a bit of that, worse IPC and low cache.

Personally I would try to get a 7700X if possible. I think having 8 cores for the long road may be worth it but a 7600 should be a pretty solid choice too for gaming.

Yes it should be a nice upgrade for you.

Nothing is wrong with your setup, if anything it’s really good. The 7800xt doesn’t really benefit from a game like this, but you will probably get 100% usage from a game like cyberpunk which is more gpu intensive. Another game like helldivers where it is cpu intensive are games like valorant or tarkov. Anyways hope this helps.

@@Only_Joss yeah , thx. ANother game is perfect.

While I dont personally feel the two 6 core latency would make much of a difference I can only test what I have although I do get where you are coming from. I did a follow up to this video, link in the pinned comment, where I tested the 5900X as a 6 core and performance was practically the same, which isn't a shocker as all Ryzen 5000's perform practically the same in the many benchmarks here on YT with the exception of the X3D

You have to realize this isnt normal behavior though. In every other game I have seen any Ryzen 5000 part is consistently ahead of 3000, regardles of core count or CCD. Just did Last Epoch video, the 5900X is consistently around 30% faster than the 3700X. I only have a 5900X for Ryzen 5000 so I cant test how an 8 core would compare but based off the comments I have received everyone's been saying their CPU is consistently pegged at 100% and people generally not being happy with the performance. If we look at Hardware Unboxed's comparisons of Ryzen 5000's in gaming they are practically pretty much the same in gaming so this was a very interesting comparison, for me anyway since it was unexpected.

It's actually a really nice upgrade, around 30% for non 3D and more for 5800X 3D. Its just this game can have a lot of variability. I'll be uploading another video later today retesting the 5900X and 3700X and made sure to do same exact mission. I even ran the 5900X with half the cores disabled its just as fast. I just got to edit it, have all the footage.

@terranigma4027 looking forward to it

@@alisafar6235 It just went live right now.

Don't have one unfortunately

I did a retest of the 3700X and 5900X as a follow up video with just PBO. Link's in my pinned comment.

Not sure, what kind of graphics card?

Few other comments suggested the same and I have a feeling it could be something like that. Dont have a one CCD 5000 CPU however but may dig into this a bit more and make another video if I find anything interesting. Like could disable one CCD and compare the numbers. Some suggested overclocking all cores to 4.5ghz could've hurt PBO boosting single core performance to beyond that. It could all be possible. It's why I often dont like to overclock CPU's when making these comparisons as PBO on its own does a pretty decent job.

@@TerraWare when I had my 5900x I just locked it at 4.95/4.85 CCD0/CCD1 with 4x8GB 3800 14-14-14-28-1 and tuned sub timings as well. It was in a custom loop and would pull around 260w under full load though. All core OCs give better lows and basically the same averages (sometimes slightly better, sometimes slightly worse and sometimes the same) vs PBO in my experience.

Turn Async Compute Off in the graphics settings. Should see increase in fps.

@@TerraWare my async was off by default, I will test with it on as well

@@TerraWare i didn't see much difference with it on or off, i am also running super quality maybe turn it to native?

@@Toymonkeyjr This game can be difficult to test a like for like scenario because of its procedurally generated nature. For example 3700X and 5900X are the same here. That's not right 5900x is quite a bit faster usually. I retested the 3700X and 5900X in a separate video (links in my pinned comment) where I tried to make it as much the same as I could and 5900X is 20ish% faster. I will have to retest 7700X and X3D in a more controlled environment.

Really? That seems a bit low but this game can vary so much it seems. I'm looking at some of the footage I captured with the 3700X and lowest drops I see is in the mid 50's during chaotic group play events.

I have a six core FX cpu. Forget which one. Should've tested it just for the laughs

I'd love an Intel CPU to compare some of these games but Ryzen was just easy to upgrade to due to compatibility. Maybe in the future if channel grows I'd like to ad some Intel CPU's if I can.

Damn that sucks. It sounds like they may not be able to replace it than. Is it at all salvageable? For example if it's just the screen you can just use it as a desktop. I did that back in the day with a laptop I had.

Honestly I haven't had the best of luck tweaking the 7700x I find pbo does a pretty good job. It could never catch up to the X3D though. Maybe in a game or two. I did a comparison of a bunch of games in this video here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MpM53KgVNT0.htmlsi=-uIJiS5YyR5SArpN

You can thank their DRM and anticheat.

@@magikarp2063 likely, tho it may also be something more fundamental as the game runs sub 60fps on PS5

@@ziokalco Yes, its not well optimized for cpu and then the anticheat and drm hammer it even more. Ps5 cpu is between 2600 and 3700X, closer to 3700X.

This, why is no one acknowledging this??? So many post on helldivers reddit and discord asking what the hell is going after dropping tons of patch. just google it. When the game first came out it sits easily at 120+ fps now it throttles to 60-70 and dropping below 50 on helldive mission. 80% CPU utilization whilst GPU sits below 40%, the only to reverse it to use super sampling or ultra super sampling but suffer in fps drop. RTX 4070 Super, R5 5800x3d, 2x8gb 3600Mhz cl 16.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MpM53KgVNT0.htmlsi=qcjSVzO4zWgd1cn9

@@TerraWare look ill apologize for coming off rudely. You don’t deserve to be ripped off. Thats part of why i got heated at all because I don’t think people should be ripped off. I let my passion get the better of me. But I still don’t agree that paying an extra 300-350$ for a 30fps gain when you already have a cpu capable of running most modern titles on max settings at 60 to 100 fps. It’s gonna take a long time of use before it pays itself off in power efficiency, and if you upgrade every year it probably never will.

@@Frenchtoastedfruitloops All good 😃 I wanted these CPUs for the channel and I like to play around with them. Thing with testing Helldivets is a difficult task because of its procedurally generated inconsistent nature. 3700x and 5900X perform very similar in this video. I retested them in a different video in my pinned comment and got different more expected results. But to your point if you have a 7700X already the X3D doesn't make a ton of sense, especially with new Ryzen 9000's in the horizon

Believe you me I've double checked and triple checked. My previous 5900X results for this game are same, others with 5000 cpu are getting similar performance with 8 cores running at 100%.

Tf they ban you for?

They are woke because they banned you? Maybe you was being annoying. Enjoy overpaying for the same performance. But but Ray Trace…. Was a gimmick with the 20 series. Still a gimmick with the 40 series.

@@XDaWsOnX2 no, they are woke, or at least their twitter rep is/was. All around the bud light/Dylan debacle. I ran AMD cards for over 20 years, super impressed with my NVIDIA and will never give AMD another dollar.

​@@Tiggitytyemy guy, you need to touch grass

@@marcelmathes is that really the best you have? If you want to try to insult somebody you have to use some effort.