Helldivers 2 Is CPU Heavy? Ryzen 5900X VS 7800X 3D - 4K - 1440P - 1080P 

CPU benches tend to not be as popular as GPU but I like looking at em too.

I have a Ryzen 2600 and have been thinking of checking out to see how it runs.

I went from a 2600x to a 5800x3d about a year ago. The performance increase was insane!

@@ratking27thinking about the Same trade

i had a 1600 af (witch is a 2600 with lower speed and voltage) and changed to a 5600 and the difference is notable in every game, i also changed my graphics card several times 1050 ti > 3050 > 4060 ti and they obv make a difference too but a better cpu was needed to see more fps. now i play in between 80 to 110 fps depending the mission and planet and it drops from 80 to 60 and from 110 to 80 some times (i use it unccaped bcs of 144hz monitor but if i were to play in 60 or 70 fps there would be no fps drop) i used some high settings and other medium or low depending how much they are optimized and if they impact on cpu or gpu

@@03Manto Yeah thats a very slow CPU for this game lol. I did a video with 2600 vs 3700x vs 6900x vs 7700X vs 5900x. Huge jump from 2600 to 3700X

upgrade if you want, don't if you don't want

It depends on your needs, but have in mind that a 7600x can even be faster than a 5900x. (For gaming purposes, that is)

Yeah If you have high end last gen of the platform you probably can skip the entire next generation

i upgraded because i wanted to be on am5 from a 5900x. its for sure not needed

Facts! Am4 and 1300k series chipsets are viable solutions. GFX 30 series and 6700 series still viable as well. 7900xts and 4090s were the only outstanding chips out of the current gen and were up sales!

Nice. Wish I had a 14900 or 13900k to do 7800X 3D comparison. The game can get quite hectic in the higher difficulties group play. Performance can vary quite a bit.

@@TerraWare Here is a stock 12900k if you want to compare. Im running 1080p ultra with upscaling to remove the gpu bottleneck. I can try Ocing if you wanna see how it does and unpload a video.

Also, you upgraded RAM from ddr4 to ddr5. From 3000+ to 6000+ clocks.

@@ivanpoberezhniuk9694 👍

@@ivanpoberezhniuk9694 Yeah I was actually a bit concerned with AM5 motherboards at first because of the worldwide issues of stability, but I've not had any issues whatsoever with Gigabyte Aorus. Think I also bought it around the time they released fixes for AM5 boards.

@@RJTHEGAME i didn’t see any problems with my too. My prev message was about memory upgrade, which also gives use performance boost, especially in 1% and in 0.1% scenarios.

Thanks bud, apreciate it and good to see ya.

That's not a bad idea. It would hammer the CPU for sure.

@@TerraWare I'd also imagine it'd be pretty hard to test as it would be hard to stay alive long enough to record the footage, lol

Yes it can be quite CPU heavy and if you open your task manager the anti cheat also uses some CPU resources which isnt really a surprise.

Awesome thanks for letting me know. Its definitely worth a look

Yup! I've tested and done a video on my 6800xt, 3080ti and 7900XTX. It's ataroumd 95%

@@TerraWaresame thing with my 4080

it because that anit cheat make cpu 100%

but its the same at 4k where the gpu take on most of the work the utilization is still all over the place on both gpu's i test a 4070 ti super and a 4070 12 gb

Very nice. I have a 6800XT too, it's a great card.

What's your ddr4 ram speed and timing? Apparently 5950x scales very well with high speed ram and good timings. It can get better performance than a 5800x3d for gaming

By high I mean 4800+mhz

I'm not sure what my ram timing is but I know I have 64GB of ram DDR4 running at 3200 MHZ

I did a DX11 vs 12 dedicated video 2 days ago here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y6rM1h9O2Rw.htmlsi=5uUxe1xDCEKg2igU

DX11 is almost always better. It doesn't matter if you have NVidia or AMD. When I had my 1070 almost every time DX11 beat DX12. Usually by a few %. It's the same story on my 7900XT DX11 superior over DX12 while Vulkan beats them both. I started playing Witcher 3 on DX11 even though I have to sacrifice my HDR, because the improvement is like a 40% up lift going from DX12, back to DX11. There is only one game that DX12 is better than 11 and that's World of Warcraft, because that game is very CPU bound.

Hmm OK interesting. I actually havent played much Helldivers 2 because have been busy with testing some of the new games like HFW and Dragons Dogma 2 which I have been playing quite a lot lol. Could be worth taking a look though.

Yes the power efficiency on the 7800X 3D is quite impressive. Even when compared to the non vcache 7700X which I own one btw and I keep forgetting haha.

12 core CPUs are always less efficient than 8 core CPUs. You should either compare 5900X to 7900X or 7800X3D to 5800X3D. Then the differnece in performance would be smaller and power consumption would be pretty much identical.

Would be nice to compare R9 Zen 2 to 3 but don't have em. Have made a couple comparisons between my 7700X and 7800X3D though. The X3D is noticably more efficient

I would go for a 5800X 3D.It would be a solid cpu even for a 7900XTX or 4090. You will see a huge jump in gaming CPU performance. I have done a 4 generations of Ryzen cpu comparison for Helldivers 2 (2600/3700X/5900X/7700X/7800X3D) Unfortunately dont have a 5800X 3D to throw in the mix but it should be between a 5800X and 7700X I would assume.

The 5800X 3D would probably be between the 5900x and 7800X3D I'm assuming. I've made a 3080Ti specific video which should be close to the performance of a 3080 10GB, maybe 10% faster on the Ti. Here's link if interested ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8u5XE4fKQ-c.htmlsi=wAokpSQLLpJhtQmF I would try to aim for 90 fps in this game which you should be able to do at 1440P with Ultra Quality Render Scale, maybe even native, or 4K Quality Render Scale, maxed out settings.

@@TerraWare sweet, thanks for this man!

the 5800x3d runs it pretty good but my 13900hx laptop gets better fps then my desktop with a 5800x3d this is cpu heaven the higher core clock cpu the better its going to run and ipc does play a factor

It's a pretty nice jump in gaming performance.

That's because supersampling increases the render resolution beyond your targeted resolution and downsamples it for better anti aliasing, making the game more graphically demanding you are becoming GPU bound, meaning the FPS is limited by your GPU's performance. At native resolution (you should be getting more FPS) you are probably being CPU limited and CPU is running flat out thus a bit hotter. Higher the FPS the harder CPU works = more heat. 70C is perfectly fine for a Ryzen 7800X 3D though, all the way up to 80C. They are designed to run at peak 95C all day long according to AMD

You will see a nice gain in not just FPS but 1% lows too. I just finished capturing footage of Ryzen 2600/3700X/5900X/7700X and 7800X3D for another CPU focused video I am doing for this game. Ill be editing it tomorrow. I'm well aware of Ryzen 2000 gaming performance in this game. 1% lows drop to the 30s in intense moments.

@@TerraWareyeah, tell me about it. the average fps isnt *too* bad (still probably like half of what my GPU, an RX 6800 XT could really get with a better CPU), but the 1% lows is really when the CPU starts to beg. I've been using this chip for 5 and a half years and it's served me well, so I'll respectfully keep it in storage probably for a reuse. Very hyped for this 5800X3D, only thing I need to find out is whether to use a dark rock pro 4 air cooler or an AIO liquid cooler lmao..

prolly gameguard that cooked ur PC. rip

Agree that any benchmark of this game needs to be done at high difficulty bug missions I play level 7 bugs regularly and i drop down into the upper 40s around extraction time too. Running a 5600x (overclocked on PBO) and a 3070. If you’re seeing something similar then think it’s normal.

​@@Dankyjrthethird 9 difficulty automatons missions shred my 7 5800x + 4070 super down to 45 fps sometimes

With DX12 it doesnt really matter but I prefer borderless because of my multimonitor setup. That said I have tested Fullscreen as well. Its the same as far as performance.

Um. I guess. You would ge seeing similat gains as in this video as long as you have the gpu headroom.

Yeah its a demanding game, especially on the CPU but those temps are fine.

I have a 3700X too. With a 3080 at 4K you're probably alright. You could just go 5800X 3D and it would be fine even for a 4090 for the most part.

I agree with Terra, just get a 5800X3D, it's still one of the best performing CPUs for gaming, usually in the 5 if not top 3, the only downside is that it's a dead-end platform, so if you feel like you're going to upgrade things again in 2 years or so instead of 4 years, you might be better off getting an AM5 board. For GPU you could go with something like a 4070 ti super so you can stay under a grand, but still get 16GB vram, but I'd probably wait for the 5000 series so the remaining 4000 series will lower in price even further. I personally went AM5 for the 7800X3D, but in hindsight sidegrading from intel 11700k to AM4 with 5800X3D would've been the more economical choice, also since DDR5 was expensive when I built it, it's more affordable now, but still double that of DDR4, and honestly I didn't see that much improvement from upgrading the RAM, most came from the CPU and GPU. In your case though, all you need to do for now is just upgrade to the 5800X3D and you're set for another 2 years, 4 years if you whana stretch it, the 3080 is a good card, it's a shame you don't have the ti though, being limited to 10gb vram can hurt if you want a high resolution with high texture quality, if you don't midn dropping down to high instead of ultra the 3080 will also be fine still at 1440p.

I also recommend the 5800x3D. I owned a 3700x, between the two its a night and day difference. At 4k the 5800x3d vs the 7800x3d is almost no difference.

There's nothing to worry about. If it was 90C+ sure I guess. It depends on the CPU, architecture, manufacturing and specs. The X3D chips run a bit hotter regardless because its denser silicon, the cache is on top of the CPU. I have a pretty good cooler on it too a 360 aio corsair elite capellix. The 5900x has 240 corsair elite capellix.

@@TerraWare Thank you

Mine runs like shit, often getting less than 40fps just on diff 7

Don't have a 5800X 3D unfortunately.

The 5800x3d is providing me a great experience in this game. Would recommend if you are on AM4

Well that explains alot 😂

@@PixelatedWolf2077 have u noticed it? looks like itll be me since i have the best pc out of my friends lol

@Sinsanatis Yea I've been feeling the heat these past couple of days. I find myself getting overwhelmed by the blue ones that jump around and slap you. Lol

@@PixelatedWolf2077 guess ill find out when i squad up with my friends. waiting for them before i start any missions

Hmm, interesting. Frametimes are usually pretty good in this game. I've done another mor thorough CPU videos testing multiple Ryzens. The cpu does get hammered hard in higher difficulties intense situations. I would make sure to update your chipset drivers, maybe even motherboard bios but monitor your CPU spasticity. It should clock similar to mine. Also Ryzen Master software is pretty good for stress testing, overclocking.

​@@TerraWareyea I'm banging my head against the wall. My 2070 super didn't have frame time issues. And I thought the 7900xt frame time issue was amd being amd. But I'm getting it on the 4080 as well. So something else is going on. And it's in every game not just helldivers. Every 10-15 secs I get a FT spike. I haven't updated those since I tried out the 7900xt last year.

@@ripvanwinkle3432 Yeah something isn't right. Sounds like a system thing. It could be numerous things. I have a 7900XTX /6800XT and 3080Ti btw and swap between them a ton. As long as you use DDU it shouldnt be a driver conflict. Could even be something that may get resolved with a Windows reinstall but I would make sure your CPU is at least running right as far as temps and boost behaviors. Have you tried resetting cmos?

a4027 it turned out to be a few to be ram was causing an issue. Went down to 2 sticks only. Which cleared up a lot of the frame time. Then I updated chipset, bios and cleared cmos and smoothed it out to normal. Thanks for the suggestions.

@@ripvanwinkle3432 Awesome. Happy to hear.

Not sure but games dont utilize the CPU fully like rendering software may for example. Theres a lot of things that play a role from optimization to core count, IPC clock speeds etc. Generally if your GPU use is that low your system/CPU is holding it back due to many factors.

Max utilization I have seen is 95%

@@TerraWare its most likely game engine specific, for example i recently played quake 2021 remastered which uses new kex engine and in that game 95% is also the max gpu utilization, even in fully gpu bound scenario. Another example is rainbow six siege where it mostly will sit in ~85% of gpu utilization for some weird reason

It's a CPU focused test not cache. I did do another more indepth video though comparing the 7700X and 7800X 3D in this game among the 5900X/3700X and 2600.

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If you have your aio radiator mounted on top exhausting air out like mine, the hot 99% GPU air being exhausted would result in higher CPU temps. Whereas Cinebench is a cpu only benchmark that runs for a shorter amount of time. Thats what I think's happening.

Definitely hitting some CPU bottlenecks at 1440. GPU utilization never goes beyond 95% in this game though. It was the same thing on the 6800XT and everything else.

@@TerraWare Yeah, but I believe you did the 6800XT video with the 5900X. Maybe the 7800X3D can fully utilize that card.

@@deyandimitrov7287 The 5900X is more than capable of keeping the 6800XT and 3080Ti for the most part GPU bound in this game. If you check out my 3080Ti video at 2 minutes I show a quick side by side comparison and both 3080Ti and 6800XT are at 95%. The 3080Ti is doing around 90 fps and 6800xt around 60. I think its just the engine.

@@TerraWare The engine is a modified Autodesk Stingray game engine which was discontinued 4 yrs ago. I think 1% lows are more important than high frames. You can be in a battle and slug all the way down to 30fps get ghost struck by an attack. The devs made avg frames on console 30fps for this reason. Each system is different on PC so you would have to test your 1% lows or your lowest frames during battle. Hit F5 and F2 and will display your frames.

@@imkvn4681 1% lows are very important I agree. This was a video I did when the game first came out and it kind of blew up but I did another CPU focused video where I take a look at 5 Ryzen CPU's testing them in intense scenarios. It does hammer the CPU for sure.

Not if it works fine in every other game.

@@TerraWare ok i havent had a single crash in another game. Just played a trivial mission and made it to extraction the crashed during loading screen

5 to 8% doesnt sound right at all. You could be looking at a different metric possibly. 50 to 80% would be more realistic but you seem to be CPU bound with GPU at 90%. As long as you get good FPS its what matters. I was getting pretty good performance on my 6800XT with a 5900X Ryzen.

I get around 70% CPU usage with my Ryzen 5 7600 with fps limited to 120.

I think that would be a pretty good upgrade, also the cheapest way for you to gain some more gaming CPU horsepower.

Running a 7900xtx with a 3900x and gpu usage drops to 70% sometimes around 40fps I'm guessing it a cpu bottle next u running into the same issue? My rez it 3440/1440p

@@Will-SSDD Yeah cpu bound. I play at same 3440 x 1440 with 4090/7800X 3D and become CPU bound in this game. As long as you getting good fps it's fine. This game remains pretty consistent frametime wise when CPU bound unlike some games like DD2

Save a few bucks and get the 5700x3d for the same performance

Update extra 40fps using 5800x3d

CPU's are never fully utilized in gaming because of the type of workload. There's a lot of factors, IPC, clock speeds, cache, frequency that determine max fps you can get in a game.

I dont think you're doing anything wrong. CPU running at a 100% it is designed to do that on a consistent basis. Are you maybe running background tasks too? As long as your framerate is good and consistent its fine.

I have the 7700 as well and Was getting 100% cpu usage. I turned graphics up to high/ultra and my cpu usage dropped down to the 60s. Still getting around 80-90 fps with highest settings

The 5900X is on a Strix B550-F with 32GB 3600mhz C16 The 7800X 3D is on a Strix X670E-A with 32GB 6000mhz C30 Both on a gen 4 nvme

Indeed. I'll be working on a Zen+, Zen 2, 3 and 4 video for Helldivers 2 because I am curious. I dont have a bunch of CPU's but got a 2600/3700x/5900x and 7700X

That is exactly what a bunch is lol@@TerraWare

Oh yeah. It'll pack a ton of frames. Even getting the much cheaper Ryzen 7600 will give you around a 5800X 3D level of FPS while being on a future proof platform. What do you have now?

@@TerraWare currently the 5900x 😅😂. Powerful yes but I'm realizing it bottlenecks in a bit of games including Helldivers 2 at 1080p and its weird cuz I've got a 3060 ti and it's bottlenecked..

@@BMGGHOST Ah ok I see. Honestly a 5900X is a solid CPU for a 3060Ti but if you are a 1080P competitive gamer you would probably stand to benefit from a 7800X 3D although it'll cost you a bit. Around $500 to 600 probably.

@@TerraWare oh yea it's a solid cpu for sure. Sometime hopefully soon future I hope I can do a full system upgrade and have the 7800x3d as a cpu. From what I'm told and videos I've seen They seem to be worth it for 1080p

@@BMGGHOST Oh yeah, it is the best and very power efficient. Ryzen 7000 is a nice jump in gaming performance in general. I did a more in-depth video testing Ryzens in this game. 2600/3700X/5900X/7700X and 7800X 3D.

I may look into it if I get the time.

What FPS are you getting at 4k or 1440p? trying to diagnose my 7800X3D/4090, I seem to get lower FPS than what is shown in this video.

Probably not using all cores just maxing out some of them

I would hope so, that's top of the line hardware...

U can achieve 200fps wo cpu bound?

obvious flex

What FPS are you getting at 4k or 1440p? trying to diagnose my 7800X3D/4090, I seem to get lower FPS than what is shown in this video.

No it's 1080P, at 4:12 Resolution is 1920 x 1080, Render Scale, Native.

The 7700X should be quite a bit faster than the 5900X. I did another CPU focused comparison with multiple Ryzens. The 7700X was quite a bit faster than the 5900X. Here's the video if curious. Chapters are labeled. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P22W3jG7cHA.htmlsi=3-86-ccsDzQilDqS

Agreed. I often benchmark my 4090 at 3440 x 1440p so 1440p ultrawide and I get comments everynow and then saying its pointless to own a 4090 unless you game at 4K. Apparently someone has set this rules we must follow lol. I can't stand it sometimes.

Oh yeah I can see that CPU struggling but the GPU is a bit underpowered for this game. One thing you can do is make sure Async Compute is OFF if it's ON

Well I don't have one to test but did make a video testing multiple Ryzen processors including a 7700X and 7800X 3D and there wasn't a big difference between the regular and X3D variant in this game. Here's the link if curios. Its towards the end of the video, chapters labeled. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P22W3jG7cHA.htmlsi=gmIqq-vjJv-3yjmd

It is a great CPU if you can find a good deal on it.

@@B_Rye402I ordered a 7800x3d, taichi lite, and 64gb ddr5 6000hz yesterday.

Yeah I can see it. The game doesnt stutter when CPU bound though so its not that big of a deal I feel and you are getting around 60+ fps. Testing Dragons Dogma 2 is a different story.

​@terranigma4027 yeah i get alot more that 60 it,s very interesting in heavy battles.. this video only shows what I would call light battles the gpu usage drops substantially.. also in world of tanks which runs at hundreds of fps gpu utilization is low.. to be honest I'm doubting a 7800x3d is enough.. I'm certainly glad I didn't spend more on a better gpu cos it seems with current cpus they wouldn't keep up.. FYI I play native res but not all the setting turned up..

@@Ultrasonictwo I made this video right when the game came out. Didnt get a chance to experience the later more difficult areas yet. I have done a couple follow ups with Ryzen CPU's that show more hectic situations.

@@TerraWare i get 124 FPS in the tutorial, which obviously isn't every taxing and is gpu bound according to present mon2 @93% gpu utilization

@@TerraWare ON 7 I GET about 80 fps and about 80% utilization. interesting as FPS goes up and down so does GPU% with it perfectly.......So...So... cpu limited which runs at 50% all the time

In 1440p

Same thing, tbf. I get 110-120 on medium load and 90 fps at helldive difficulty big fights with 4090 and 7800x3d @@robdog979

I get about 60 with a 3070 with a 7800 X3D on 1440p

Check your bios. Make sure your ram is running at its max rated speed (ex. mine is running at 5600) Use MSI to measure your CPU clock. Your 7800x3D should be consistently hitting 5000mhz or above. If its lower than that, try PBO. I went for a dynamic undervolt profile to keep temperatures cool while hitting high clocks.

Also make sure your Bios is updating the settings. I had a dead Cmos battery for years and my motherboard was holding back my hardware perfomance for a long time. Make sure your Bios is in working order.

Yeah that wouldn't be a good time no matter how low you put the settings haha. You need a half decent CPU to be able to even maintain 60 in those tough harder difficulty missions.

@@TerraWare I couldn’t play higher than level 4 without extreme lag and I had so many people kicking me because of how buggy everything was. I would get slingshot across the map in explosions… I tried to play regardless but with the consistent crashing of the game I finally got my parts ordered for my rebuild

@@madsox627 That's awesome. What parts did you get if you dont mind me asking?

@@TerraWare 7800x3d w/asus b650e-i in an sff… pretty excited to put it all together

@@TerraWarewhen the 9000 series ships I’ll probably grab that as well since I have the OG lian li 011D

Depends on the resolution but yeah I think so. My 3080Ti does 90 FPS at 1440P maxed out settings. A 3070 should be able to do the same with Ultra Quality or Quality render scale.

@@TerraWaresorry my setting is in 1080p ultra native and get 90 fps in game

@@OnitsTV A 3070 should be able to do 90fps and maybe more at 1080P with your CPU yea.

@@TerraWare Yes I am using this configuration 7800x3d+rtx 3070 and I confirm that the fps in game in the world are 90/95 and good?

@@OnitsTV Any crashing?

That's really good. I play mainly at that same resolution. I think the game looks great.

@@TerraWare Looks great for what it is and more importantly it's fun as fuck lol

Running the same resolution, but with rtx 3070ti XD Getting around 70-85fps on medium settings with maxed textures

@@kdudcringe pretty damn good! the highest graphics settings don’t… do that much, as far as I can tell lol.

@@Skeames1214 Yeah, I do need to upgrade my gpu at some point - rest of my rig is really good, but my gpu is lacking especially at 3440x1440. Surprisingly it still runs every game I need it to fine and I have had no issues with the 8gb vram yet as I only recently just upgraded to 3440x1440 about 2 months ago so not sure if I will run into issues at some point. To be honest the main games I play are very cpu demanding such as Escape from Tarkov and Rust so luckily I think the gpu will be fine for now.

That doesn't sound right. What do you have "Render Scale" set to? Native or super sampling?

Its on native @@TerraWare

strange, i have a i7 13700K and a RTX 4070ti and i play at 2560x1440p native at ultra settings and i get 80-100fps.. the game runs like butter

something wrong man

Yes PBO is enabled.

I’ve noticed that utilization on 6 core cpus has been wonky in my experience. My older 8 core ryzen performs better

@@bryanyokofich5021 yeah, true. Unfortunately a bottleneck in this case for the 6 core CPU’s. Needs an upgrade

@@jeroenrodenboog3815 unfortunately it seems so. One thing I just found out that might help you out is that the in game frame rate limiter is bugged and can cause higher cpu temps. If you are going to cap fps use afterburner. That’s been helping some people

@@bryanyokofich5021 Already did that. Problem however doesn’t lie within the temps, but the actual utilization. I’m using a watercooler, so the temps never go above 54°c