Helldivers 2 Launches the Most Divisive Major Order So Far.. What Now?! 

Mine.. Or Airburst Rocket Launcher?

When 89% of the playerbase is going for the Airburst, it's anything but divisive

To be honest its not very divisive, I have yet to see a single person fight for the at mines in the helldivers discord. All i saw was ppl shouting for airburst.

Y’all need to chill of course we will get both eventually but this is a cool way to do it

i'm sure we'll get both eventually.

Id love if the anti tank mines were like anti tank mines irl, needing a lot of weight to trigger it, i think it makes sense especially in a war where most creatures are heavier than your troops also it would be a more selective minefield, doing damage where it matters instead of on chaff

Air-burst seems like a hand cluster bomb and I want it. The anti-tank mines will probably be a meta on Automaton's asset evac missions for sure, because there's a lot of factory striders

People underestimate the power of the anti-tank mines, they were OP in the original helldivers

Good arguments can be made for both, but I’m leaning toward airburst for two reasons. First, the airburst rocket is more than just anti-air (which many people seem to be treating it as), it’s a cluster bomb launcher. If there’s a group of enemies 50m away, no there isn’t. It’s a rocket that focuses on AoE instead of penetration, which is a yet unfilled niche. The other reason is that the AT mines appear to be triggered by everything, meaning that smaller units can detonate the mines, sacrificing themselves and protecting the heavy units that the mines were intended for. Another, less prevalent reason is that the AT mines require prediction, and if you guess wrong, they do nothing. If you opt not to predict the enemy’s movements and drop it right on them, the mines can get destroyed before most or any of them deploy. I disagree that the going for the AT mines is the more strategic option, as I feel that they will be less effective overall and less fun to use. Fun is also a strategic factor because this is a game, so if people have less fun, they leave and the MO becomes harder because we have fewer divers for the cause. The airburst rocket is the play here. It benefits both bot and bug players, fills a new niche, and is likely to be more fun to use.

Choice in players hands is a breath of fresh air

An idea popped into my head, what if we… did the impossible and liberated both at the same time?

Mines that don't help against hulks or bile titans (the only 2 enemies I do not enjoy combat against) versus New Gun I Get To Actually Shoot...I think I'm gonna go for the rocket launcher.

Tough call. Most will go for the offensive weapon. I'm more partial to defensive structures, but I'm a supportive Helldiver. A very situational niche. The idea of an anti-tank mine can be tremendously beneficial against bots, against striders, and particularly the defense centered missions where larger units tend to spam. But the Airburst rocket. That thing is so straightforward, effective at range, and dazzling. I think most will go for the airburst rocket regardless of where the discussion goes, and honestly? I think both stratagems are great. I'm happy that we're getting new Stratagems and content at all. I'm eager to see what stratagems the future holds, especially as far as weapons and orbitals. All I really ask is for buffs to the HMG emplacement.

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6:30 call in time, not cooldown

The meaning of the arrows ⬇️call it down ⬆️ aim up ⬆️ shoot up ⬅️➡️ burst ⬇️call it down ⬅️ something walk over it. ⬆️⬆️ they go up up away

If they made it realistic, the anti-tank mines wouldn't go off for helldivers or the smallest units. I think that would make it very good because then you can run through it and get all the tanks chasing you.

Air burst doesn't seem to fill a need we have. It takes a slot like strafing eagle or airburst orbital, and a backpack, and a support weapon slot. Unless we can find a cheesy sweat spot to focus/trap the cluster. Fun yes, practical, no. Antitank are more practical, but needs to not activate because of light units or divers. (less team kill, plenty of options to kill swarks) Anything without a big circle on the map.

That's the easiest choice ever, airburst. It damages everything and can be aimed vs mines that nobody ever uses.

How does the airburst work vs drop ships? if you kill a drop ship before it finishes positioning it instakills its passengers. maybe even a transported strider if you're lucky?

This is a cool little interactive order, letting the players make a choice about what happens

we have SOOOO many anti-tank options already, so i'll probably go for the airburst since it looks fun as hell. ...and we have a guy who uses only mines in my group and i'm very very very tired of dying to bugged mines that don't render for anyone but the host.

Damn, if only we had those anti-tank mines back in the good old days on Malevelon Creek

It's not about getting a new strat, it's about giving the bots another dose of liber-tea!!

Can’t wait for air burst looks like a lot of fun

The best way to get players to like the AT mines is to make them only be set off by targets heavier than a Helldiver.

"Our Helldivers are tasked with liberating both, but only the first one that they liberate will likely be in time to rescue the weaponry." LIKELY. The wording on the first announcement was rough and obviously implied we would have to pick one or the other, but both the new discord announcement and the in-game Major order imply that it'll be possible to get both during this

6:25 - i believe this refers to call in time not recharge time. So it deploys instant but recharge is unchanged. Also apparently its bugged and does not work.

idk if its just me, but i feel like the leaked gameplay showed that against heavy units like tanks, chargers, and inconsistently hulks, the airburst seemed more effective than the mines. The charger looks like it can almost clear a minefield before it hits the 4th or 5th it needs to die, tanks are one and done to both because of their size and heat sink exposure, and hulks seem to be pretty resistant to both unless you get lucky. The minefields do have a leg up with factory striders though, but for everything else it seems a little less than equal to the rocket, which unlike mines doesn't take anticipating your enemies movement, you just point and shoot, with the added benefit of also being great at horde clearing. (so are the mines, but once they clear a horde, they cant clear a heavy unit, their primary purpose, and then its back on a cooldown.) I think the rocket is the clear choice.

DEFENSE MISSIONS ARE GOING CRAZY WITH THAT ROCKET LAUNCHER

I don’t mind which win but is it a permanent we only get one or will the other be put in later

This isn't even a question we've all seen the leaks we all know those anti-tank mines are complete crap, they take six mines to kill one vehicle, but that airburst took out two tanks in a single shot.

I think the stangment which losses will be added later and the stangment which wins will be added first.

If people discipline with the the cluster bomb is any indicator. The airburst is gonna cause way more teamkilling than the mines.

Having a 3rd mine is neat, but anyone that saw the performance of that rocket knows its cracked as hell lol.

I played with a dev the other day and got to try out the airburst. It was pretty fun and felt great for clearing ADS. Tbh i expect people to want to unlock that one first bc of the fun factor but the anti-tank will probably be more impactful for its niche.

Remember everyone. Which everone we lose. The bots will then get to use against us. So do you want to robots using cluster rockets against you in missions? Or mines that you can just walk around?

Cool decision by the devs! Personally I think I'd want the AT mines since I already have so many tools for taking down giant swarms of bugs and small mechs. Factory striders are like 3x more annoying to deal with than the next hardest enemy (bile titans) so if there was a single tool that could safely, reliably, and quickly take them down, I would love to have it in my arsenal.

I've seen video of the AT mines and they do look very useful but the cluster rockets being able to wipe out entire groups of light enemies in an instant will make it able to prevent alot of the bot drops and bug breaches caused by said light enemies

The only time I use mines is for one specific mission type, which is evacuating high priority assets (the one with walls that close, not rescuing civilians). I'd say that the airburst launcher has a far more versatile range usage, as I rarely see anyone take mines outside of that one mission type.

It does suck that we don't just get to keep both after liberating each planet. I agree; I'm imagining we'll get the loser at a later time. I doubt they'd just drop a stratagem like that.

I'd personally like to see how they do the AT mines, because if you can't trigger them with infantry entities like yourself and smaller enemies it might be a decent way to deal some damage to the Bill Titans/Chargers/Bile Spewers on the Terminid side, and Hulks/Striders/Tanks on the Automaton side.

The mines are definitely the right choice. If they actually would act like actual anti tank mines, meaning you yourself can walk over them and not have your team killed by invisible mines, this will be amazing. As well as the most basic enemies not triggering them, so you only get the higher value targets with them, and they aren't all triggered by scavengers. BUT Airburst Rocket Launcher... just say it. It sounds a lot more fun to say "Airburst Rocket Launcher" compared to "Anti Tank Mines."

I like this it is sorta how you got strategems in the first game but it was personal

Not sure if we are gonna get them as modifers, but I feel like we will find them in points of interest or something since that makes sense.

I am going to have so much fun pairing the airburst with EAT'S.

Anti tank mines are HUGE, they are so much better than the airburst utility wise, I got to use both a fair bit and the amount of times he mines came in clutch was overwhelming. One shot anything but a bike titan. Since their to tall.

i was hoping the emplacement would be that wall with turrets that got leaked

6:30 minor error but the ship module does not reduce the cooldown by 100 seconds, but rather the call in time.

as a recoiless rifle enjoyer i would love to see new rocket launchers

The main reason I’d be interested in. This would be taking out gunships and drop ships mostly gunships. As why I know you can take it out with rocket launchers, anti-material rifles, and auto cannons when you’re also attempting to fight ground units as well it’s really difficult especially when majority of your team gets wiped out by them and you don’t have any weapons to take it out. This seems like it’s capable of potentially destroying multiple gunships, which will be very useful for me

I feel like the at mines are definitely the smarter choice considering how many fantastic horde clear stratagems we already have but the airburst is without question more fun

To make it easier which stratagem we can use, we should get the opportunity to use it on the planet that's currently locked on, that way we'll have a better understanding of how each one is used and which is better for us at the moment.

Usually anti tank mines have a high weight threshold so infantry doesn’t set them off. I’d be way more likely to want the mines if players and small enemies didn’t set them off, it would open up some new strategic possibilities too

My worry for the antitank mines is that chaff will walk over them and blow them up, meaning the more dangerous enemies it’s designed for won’t be killed. It would be cool if there was some sort of weight limit for it, so it only attacked hulks, chargers, and higher difficulty enemies above them

what primary are you running against bots and bugs?

I think the question we're all asking ourselves here is rather : why would anyone use the Arc Thrower (aka "Zappy Gun") in first person view ? 🤔

i already used the Airburst Rocket Launcher and its pretty good!

I'm not interested in either but the mines may have some utility for certain specific mission types

I dig the mine because I think especially for the hated extract personnel mission I think pairing this mine and a anti-personnel mine will have a similar effect to the automatons to how the Tesla tower used against the terminid. Furthermore, if you can survive long enough and throw enough down you could mine up that all of the entrance points like crazy and have you’re own personal minefield going.

100 second cooldown reduction down from 180 seconds? That's crazy! I'll try to get the mines

Doubtful they’d invest resource into an asset just to scrap it from a business perspective, unless they genuinely thought the free attention from controversy would make up for sunk cost in dev time. I’m pretty confident we’ll be getting both

how does air bursr do against gun- and landing ships?

We'll get AT mines later. We have plenty of weapons to dispose of bots properly, and not enough weapons (not including stratagems) to deal with groups consistently.

That ship model confused many players. Though they changed the description, the current effect is reducing deployment time from 7s to 4s. Just tested it last week.

Once we have the 100 second mine refresh time upgrade, mines will be a pickable option. Currently, they are only really useful in lower level difficulties.

I’m now going to be running air burst and expendable antitank launcher and my build will be perfect

One thing to think of, when looking at that major order: Ingame it only says to liberate BOTH of the planets. You don't get any information about these stratagems ingame. So what will likely happen? Everybody only reading the ingame order will go from the edge of the map, which is Lesath and Penta. Because you have to get both anyway, so what is the difference, right? Yeah, the Anti Tank Mines never stood a chance.

I’m getting kicked from games yesterday and today and get the message “failed to connect to server”. My connection is flawless in every other game. Why is this happening in Helldivers?

I doubt this'd work, but would it be possible to liberate both planets at once somehow? Impossible unless 2 teams agree to finish it off and everyone else stays away on other planets, but it'd be kinda cool to see what would happen.

I mean personally I like the idea of anti tank landmines because it would solve your elite enemies problem. Also I’m assuming this stratagem wouldn’t go off when friendlies or light enemies roll through it.

if we get airbust instead of the mine... ...imagine they release Siege Mech after that lol

First actual good minefield vs another Rocket launcher people will stop using after a week?

I'd like the mines, I've seen the leaks of them against factory striders. airburst rocket is good too tho, so I'm not too irritated if we get that instead

i think antitank mines will be more useful than the airburst rockets. what can the airburst do that other support weapons can't do? i don't see a clear answer whereas antitank mines go well with your antitank loadouts.

Feels like Anti-Tank mine is going to be the most useful. Generally swarm of small enemies are easy to deal with. We already have so many weapons that can do it. Its the heavy armored units that are problematic as we cant really take them down without precise shots.

I hope everyone goes for airburst rocket bc yes anti tank mines would be cool but the air burst is just so much more useful but that just my oppenion

Im going for the AT mines, but if the airburst wins ill just take that loss because both are hella cool stratagems

I do want the mine but it will not happen. The unlocking planet was already partly liberated for penta so most people will go for it (because people attract people since the more people there is, the more efficient you are to liberate a planet). So Penta will be unlocked first and it will be over since people will mostly choose to go for a major order planet over an other 'random' planet. Especially since a lot of people don't have access or information on the supply line. I'm sad

I like the launcher, but im confused as to how the explosion happens. Im pretty sure its proximity detonated but the radius seems inconsistant

The catch is that we need to first liberate another planet (Lasath) in order to get the supply line to Penta... Welp, it's on 36.5 at the moment so I hope for the best... We have more than 2 days so I assume over the weekend we can get it done

Anti-armor mines that can be set off by random chaff? Sounds almost entirely useless. Counter-point questions, how effective is the airburst against gunships? Is the missile proximity triggered so it'll work super well against screachers, or do you have to actually hit something with it?

Most people going for airburst, which is for small ads. Kinda a waste of a support weapon. Meanwhile heavy mines go for larges which current mines can't do (and the animation is satisfying)

So basically orbital burst airstrike but in rocket form , or mines that'll fuck up the annoying heavies? I'd choose the mines. The rockets are gonna cause so much friendly death. The orbital atleast let's people know watchout this area is gonna get blasted, but the rocket is gonna catch so many people off guard cause it's instant and ppl won't be able to dodge or gauge the distance of where to be to not get hit /not hit the squad member

Its gonna be Penta since thats open for liberation, while Choohe is locked behind Chort bay. So people just do wich one is easier first.

Actually the regular mines are good for dealing with bug breaches. But I think the big issue with mines and why no one uses them is the team/self killing potential. I remember there was a daily that was about getting kills with those mines and I died a bunch of times to them.

you are right, altho the mines would solve some defense strider problems....

I think the airburst rocket will be perfect against the terminid.

What's up legend.

I think we can assume that anti TANK mines will not detonated by players or lessser unit

Do you ever play w ya mates instead of solo?

I can count the number of deployed Anti-Tank mines with my fingers. Assuming devs did not change a single thing about the leaked features, Then, 10-12 mines would only be able to kill 3 Hulks OR 3 Tanks OR 3 chargers AT BEST CASE, OR 1 Factory Strider. As the probability of getting a 2nd unit hit by the mines drops significantly, I'd say on average you will be able to effectively kill ONE of those heavy units per deployment. Given a 180 second cooldown, I'd rather use the Orbital Railcannon strike because it is guaranteed to destroy one of them (+30s cooldown isn't that much of a difference). The only downside I see with the Airburst is that the reload seems very slow (almost same as recoilless or Spear). The reload backpack isn't a deal breaker, but it makes me less want to carry one of these around on missions where I need to run around with a shield a lot. So yes, the 88%-12% Airburst-to-Mine ratio seems to make sense. Afterall, most people do not simply have the luxury of time to play strategically and spend time learning each weapon. So the Airburst seem to be a lower learning curve and suited for most players who have a 9-5, or school, or have a family. Longer term is really depends on the spawn rate of Factory Striders or similarly heavy enemies. If right after the major order, devs decided to "troll" us by increasing spawn rate of Factory Striders, chargers, Hulks, and every other similar typed enemies, then it is more favorable keeping the Mine.

Airburst Rocket Launcher looks like an excellent weapon for taking out Shrieker nests. Depending upon the spread it might be able to take out multiple nests at once.

but the operation orders says "synthesised tons of caustic chemicals for a new support weapon" it cant be the launcher

Mines are highly situational. Airburst feels more like retreat cover up thing when you got tons of bug breaches or bot drops gathered in same area but better then mines And its not good at dealing with chargers. What was shown actually explosives killing it thro med armored belly part and exposed tail parts Don think dealing with moving one be good, unless you rdy to die for it or sacrifice teamie who was chased by him

AT Mines are going to be new favorite for the new Defend missions. The Tanks and Chargers destroy walls so easily

After recently experiencing absolute carnage of getting ruined by flying bots after we JUST landed right next to their fabricators at the start (resulting me and my m8s getting screwed of how many there were along with ground troops everywhere), I am instantly convinced for airburst.

Already test the Airbrust. op dmg and a long as reaload, the big problem was the proximity detonation. It is terrible againts bugs especially hunter + pouncer planets. And it was kind of buggy, sometimes that thing just explodes on your face. You need to be at least at 20 meters away from the explosion to be safe. Personal opinion the Airbrust need 2 firing modes when pressing R: manual (normal just like a ETA) and proximity explosion. Expect a lot..... of friendly fire when this thing drops.

Mines have a stigma of being very situational and have the tendency to team kill a lot. The tank mines seem a lot more situational compared to the airburst rocket which seems to be able to hit air and ground units pretty hard. Also its nice getting a new weapon stratagem

Given that mines are poorly tuned currently the aiburst rocket is the only option.