If this thing gets its targeting inconsistencies fixed.. then say buh bye to the bugs Testing out the upgraded Arc Thrower ship module, titled "Circuit Expansion" Enjoy! Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:57 Game #helldivers #helldivers2 #helldiver
@ELPRES1DENTE45 If you're referring to the fact that it could one shot Bile Titans, you're absolutely wrong. They even specified that the bug was due to a connection between console and pc in the patch notes. And plenty of other things could also one shot Bile Titans with that bug, such as the Arc Thrower, a single mech missile, a single anti tank missile (quasar, EAT, recoilless), etc. You're misinformed. They've never mentioned any bugs specifically related to the railgun
The Arc Thrower works wonders againts the rust buckets too. Hulks just stop responding and do nothing as soon you zap them. And you kill everything around them relatively quickly. Stay crunchy.
Eh, I always found that the short range was an issue for the bots. You have to expose yourself to incoming fire to sustain the stunlock, and theres nothing that kills quite so effectively as being ragdolled across the scenery by that 5th rocket devastator you didnt see behind the hulks. Still great on horde clear or defend missions though, where you can force the bots to engage at short-mid ranges.
@@lenmetallica According to treacherous Divers the Terminids "think" that you already have a soft shell and a crunchy inner. So you probably have to do nothing to achieve crunchyness. But the Ministry of Truth orders you to stay the way you are. When in doubt, scream "For democracy" and charge head on into your problems. Stay crunchy.
The weapon's chaotic aim is on purpose, I like the fact that it behaves like actual electricity and even with the unpredictable nature, at times, it still serves as a powerful weapon in game especially with the buff. If the devs do anything, it should be to introduce a new ship upgrade that possible 'narrows' the aiming down somewhat but, never perfectly.
I think a pistol or prmary slot stun gun would be fun, and that would provide the charged projectile behavior folks were expecting. Short range due to the wires being shot but delivering that high charge directly to the target.
My thoughts exactly. If you want a weapon that goes *exactly* where you shoot, you need projectiles or lasers. This is nothing to do with "helping the console players"
@@mightymochi6320 Arc thrower + R-36-Eruptor takes care of almost everything. the only thing that i wasnt able to destroy with this set where the shrieker nests so far. but an eagle airstike is doing this job just fine
I find the arc thrower to be extremely good for general use; infinite ammo, armor pierce, good range. Whether intended or not, it has a minimum distance of usage. But other weapons can deal with enemies and buildings at the same time, so it’s kind of a player’s choice
I personally think the arc thrower is perfect right now, even with the finicky targetting. The targetting is nowhere near as annoying as the spear, and its weakness against close engagements keeps it balanced
When I see a teammate wandering too close in front of my arc weapons path, trigger discipline kicks, saving them from instant death ( unless I get staggered, while charging a shot) we all know how that plays out.
This is why i love your content you are actually skilled and knowledgable to bring hidden gem weapons to the forefront, your how i found out about the arc and how to solo suicide and higher levels
The close range targeting may be a bug but targeting corpses is definitely intentional. The game of course knows which enemies are real targets but the gun if it existed in reality would have no way of knowing who is alive, so developers made it select corpses too on purpose and it's just an inherent weakness of an arc based weapon, same with the not perfectly accurate targeting. But you still CAN target things intentionally, if you aim at a chargers head, you'll hit the head and make sure you're not aiming for the leg because if you do aim for it, you'll hit it. Same goes for any other enemy, the arcs will arc to a nearby target if there's nothing in front directly but you can totally select your target by aiming the weapon.
personally feel like the imperfect targeting is fine just the targeting corpses is a bit rough, especially compared to it's direct competitor the flamethrower which just goes though them. though i guess i can understand from a "realism" persepective why it does that
the problem isnt it targeting corpses, its the size of said corpses hitbox, and when the gun just outright misfires, it also wont chain when hitting a corpse which also dosent add up
@@scorpion563 it wouldnt be much of a problem and even at some times advantageous to have it target corpses if only the chaining still applied on corpse hits
Love the Arc Thrower, buggy targeting and all. It’s just the most consistent and useful weapon I take on my solo runs. Agree about console benefits. Pairs well with lots of things. My current Tier 7 load out is Arc, Lib Incendiary, Grenade pistol, Stun G, Stim Armor. 500kg, shield and EAT17 . Covers the bases.
9 minutes ago?? Let’s gooo. Also big tip for SEAF artillery: if you pick up the missile and swap to your weapon just before the missile touches your hand then you’ll throw the missile
Also, the greater the pickup distance the longer the throw, so drop it, walk as far as you can while still in pickup range, pickup, switch to lob the shit out of it.
Play the arc thrower like you would play an Eruptor. Just it as a main weapon and when enemies gets to close juat switch to what ever main weapon is peferd. I mostly run it with the incindiary breaker. That combo is so brutal.
"but I'm not a bug lover, it was a mistake" Sounds like the exact thing a well disciplined bug lover would say! All ministry of truth shenanigans aside, stellar content as always!
did you ever try to throw the artillery shells by changing the drop pick-up pattern to drop, pick-up, immediately switch to other weapon before cartridge reaches your hand again? i just read how it works, never confirmed it for me in terms of reliance etc
And maybe include settings etc, like yourself using strats on a mouse side button, might help some people set theirs a little more easier assessable and customise it from your base settings maybe?
All they have to do to fix the targeting is make is so the lighting ALWAYS goes in an straight line where you aim and then when it encounters an enemy it jump to any enemy ignoring walls (but not terrain). It's all it needs imo.
Hey, I was watching and when you were talking about wanting manual targeting for the arc thrower, it made me think of a setting I saw in the game's setting to control how "sticky" the targeting assist is. I don't remember where it was but check in there, maybe you can drop it to 0 and it won't do any target assist.
Does the upgrade affect the primary arc blitzer? I feel like it should but don't know if it does. The module lists arc weapons. And the box to the right is only to list stratagems.
My biggest drawback for Arc is that I can't close holes effectively. However, the new pistol solves that. Puts more strain on the primary weapon since you don't have a sidearm, but worth it.
I love the eruptor to slve this, clears holes and fabricators in one shot across the map and the arc clears hordes and most heavies. Then you can just bring whatever stratagems and sidearm you want
I have a question, when you first drop into the mission you instantly appear on the map, did you cut out hellpod dive animation or is there a way to skip it?
Apparently, there is a bug where fast computers like Takibo’s will cause the game to start the drop before the loading screen ends. As a result, he ends up finishing his drop without getting a chance to maneuver it.
how do u survive all the hits without the shield? Im on ps5 and getting killed by 2 hits from hunters. even in heavy armor. They always crit hit or idk.
As a major arc thrower enjoyer (100 hours and counting) I can say I love everything about the gun even it's faults. It has a personality like a horse. What you have to realize is that electricity does not go where you aim it, it goes where it wants to go. Clearly a certain degree of care went to realism in this game and I'm assuming that applies here. I'm all for it I think it's cool, it puts you into the shoes of a soldier having to deal with the pitfalls of a particular weapon
I doubt they'll give manual targeting because I think that'll make it way too good, but IIRC they said the arc thrower discharging was a bug so hopefully they fix the inconsistencies. It's still one of my favorite support weapons after the autocannon but I don't want it to hit 'railgun status' and become the go-to pick.
I really prefer pulling out the Eruptor on chargers when using the Arc. If you place it right you can 1 shot their ass with an Eruptor shot. Arc + Eruptor is perfect combo because Eruptor decimates spewers and armored spewers.
Where and when have you been able to do this, as it takes between four and nine shots to break a charger's butt with the eruptor on a stunned charger aiming directly at it.
@@nopenope8418 you don't aim directly at it, you aim at the ground underneath it's ass, near where its rear legs attach to its torso. Try not to do it when its ass is raised high (right after it finishes charging) but lowers it back down. Can also be effectively done while its charging you if you aim between its rear leg arch at the ground under it. By aiming directly at it you are denying yourself the multiplicative shrapnel damage and only getting the projectile + explosive damage. The shrapnel is where the magic happens.
I also love the arc thrower, and the brokness of it misfiring adds to tension and immersion. Its powerful enough to forgive its finickyness. At this point its more of a feature rather than a bug. If they fix it, I`m afraid it will become too powerful and eventually gets nerfed. So in a sense this bug adds balance. Same as in physics, electric arc will seek shortest path to ground, so immersion achieved!
Don't you think that this aiming problem is kept deliberately, for the "experimental" side of the weapon? It already happened to me to see five or six consecutive shots fail, I ended up considering that the random side was part of the charm... it is true that it can make certain situations quickly critical but that does not change anything in fact that even in 9 this weapon is a beast! Thank you again for the quality of your videos, peace from France 🙋♂
Ive always used the Arc Thrower, completed my first Hell Diver Level yesterday with it. I will always get the most kills and the best accuracy HOWEVER it has downsides. The arc thrower needs room to breath. If anything small is right in front of you it will do nothing. If you are slightly under a hill or too close to a rock, bug bodies in the way, lots of items can cause the thrower to not work. But you learn very quickly how to avoid this and have it work 100%. It stuns the spitters even when they're mid spit. It stuns and pushes back the hive guards. Good for fliers too. It can kill a Charger in about 7-10 charges , it doesnt show as hitting anything but it works eventually. I've not seen any difference in hitting the charger in the back or face or legs etc. It is a team killer however. If your team member is infront of you even on the backside of a charger etc. Anywhere in the middle 50% of your vision, you're gonna kill them in one shot. So you have to be very very careful when shooting towards teammates. I'm now using the Shield (no stun when jumped on or regularly stunned). Arc Thrower as main weapon since over powered and no ammo needed. The EMP Sentry to slow hoards down and chargers. And the Orbital Rail Strike to take down Bile Titans. I used to use the Orbital Laser which is amazing but you only get 3. One thing I'm not sure of is if the Arc Thrower touches Bile Titans. Usually the titan has been killed or I die before I can recognise whether the thrower did or does anything. So that would be useful to know. As mentioned before the Charger also shows no hit or damage so the Bile Titan would be similar I can imagine, and if a Charger is taking 7-10 charges, a Titan is clearly going to take more. And if you're pulling off 7-10 charges on a Titan, I don't know how. lol.
Yesterday i played a mission on a helldive against bugs with my regular kit (eagle airstrike, railcanon, EAT, shield backpack + dominator + redeemer + impact) and i found a stalwart on my way, situation was pretty bad - no ammo at all so i took it and my god it was awesome, i already forgot how cool is this MG against bugs. So now i think i am going to include it to my kit instead of railcanon or a shield
Shrieker nests can be destroyed with impact grenades. Especially if you spawn in there like that and you expect to get a free refill of your life anyway you can airstrike them and do the rest with nades.
I run Arc with sickle , senator, jump pack, 500k and Orb Laser with either Stam or health boost. Wearing light engineer armor. If Im running solo I'll swap out jump for shield or laser rover . In a squad I'll use jump pack to take high ground and open up with Arc at breaches or drops. Arc seems to make short work of them. I also Love that very awesome stagger. You can stagger pretty much anything short of a strider. The time it buys you is enough to pop a stim or wait out those 3 remaining seconds for an orbital cool down. Also most 20+ level players all seem to fall back when an Arc thrower is going off on a swarm of enemies. Everyone seems to know to stay out of the cone and that it will do the job. This is my favorite support weapon. I would also like to apologize to all those squadies I have killed with accidental discharges of this weapon over these past months...unless you stole my jump pack then that was on purpose.
Played a lot with the Arc Thrower and against bugs you want to aim above the small enemys to hit them more easily (the weapon has some kind of auto aim you could say). anything as big or bigger than a Hive Guard can be directly aimed at. And the weapon is soooo good against automatons it's crazy. Becaus it can stagger ANY enemy (except Bile Titans of course) Hulks aren't a threat anymore with the Arc Thrower. I rly love this weapon but they HAVE to fix the aiming of this gun.
I know they've said they were going to look at the flamethrower again after the bug with only host having proper dot damage, so I imagine they'll do the same if they ever fix the arc thrower. I just hope they don't give either of these guns the railgun treatment lol.
I feel like they introduced the Arc enemy count increase BECAUSE they are unable to fix the weapon. Instead of fixing the mis-targeting, they counterbalance it with more units affected
Yep, pretty much a band-aid fix, similar to buffing the fire damage due to the known issue of Damage over Time effects not working for anyone but host. Indirrectly this caused several other things to become way deadlier as before, such as Flame Hulks, jetpack raiders, explosive barrels, you name it - anything that sets you on fire is now a potential instakill.
Thing is it's not broken and working wonderfully, the arc thrower is perfect as is. If they make it pinpoint accurate and consistant, it would be absolutely OP. If pinpoint accuracy and consistant is what you want, take an actual gun firing projectiles.
@nopenope8418 It is broken, the devs even said they known its broken, if you wanna pull the realism excuse explain why it misfires at something point blank in it's face then lmfao. Realistic =/= Balanced, idk why you guys defend guns not working right
I don't know why they made it an unlock, same with fire damage. It feels like they balanced it with the upgrade in mind so its a bit underpowered without it
semi auto redeemer is great it two shots all of the smallest bugs, including hunters if its head shots. but requires great accuracy and a small bit of downtime aiming finely.
I recently fell in love with the arc thrower and it's so easy when getting swarmed to keep the enemies under control. Try aiming above the enemies to avoid hitting the corpses on the floor. The arc thrower has a cone targeting area and by aiming upwards, you reduce the chance of it jumping to corpses and hit the targets behind them 😉
@@makk41Ok, I skimmed over some parts of the video and this was one of them 😅 Good that he mentioned it, but he still kept aiming directly at the enemies after saying that
I think arc thrower is in a great spot, I think the targeting issue keeps it in balance really. The game is healthy overall I have been taking in random strategems every game almost and only have issues with the rail gun and the flamethrower when I'm not hosting
good start but imagine get the same effect if you’re able to call down your second tesla tower while the other is still active and with a certain range, creating a fence to keep bugs and bots away
OK so, hear me out, the arc thrower with alternative autofire with progressively faster fire rate, but it gets a heat sink with 3 total mags. If you keep it in single fire it functions exactly as is, only the fire rate has a slow heat build up, so slow it'll be negligible on cold planets.
i have been using arc thrower, eruptor, redeemer, and stuns with a jump pack on diff 7 bug missions and it is so much fun. The inconsistent targeting through bodies or bushes is a non-issue if you have even a few feet of elevation over a swarm. I either go off on my own and do objectives if the group is down for it, or I establish overwatch positions and call out patrols before anyone else can see them and defend the point from the high ground. I just need to bring strategems that can deal with the occasional charger and titan but most things I can either handle myself or just outrun. super fun play style
If they do change anything with the Arc Thrower for me, it would just be that it would show damage on the Chargers and those smaller hive guard bugs, the ones that hug the ground. Its annoying hitting the charger with 0 feedback to tell you its doing something.
the manual aim will make it very OP and very likely to get more nerfs if that happens, like the same thing to the breaker shotgun and rail gun, its too good that it got a nerf.
Something I noticed in all your videos, and I thought you were just cutting it out but your surprise at where you spawned made me wonder-why don’t you have control over where you’re landing on first drop? Are you really just spawning on the ground for some reason?
regardless of damage or aim or bugs - its the charge up time before shooting that is just not my style of fighting and i dont like the "flow" - wont say they need to change it. Just knowing its not my type of gun even if ill admit, its really strong and worth using.
notnto burst your buble but it lightning ... have u ever seen a straight lightning bolt ? so manual aim is kinda a no on that front , it goes to the first catalist it sees ...
Maybe that's how this gun should work? It would make sense since a voltage jump in real life looks for the shortest distance. So this kind of auto-aim should represent that.
I love the arc thrower, I used to bring it all the time. I got really good with it too and learned when and where to fire it to hit enemies and not squad mates, but I stopped using it after getting kicked by lame hosts who didn't like someone using a gun that they don't like and more than likely didn't know how to effectively use it themselves. I'm saving for the ship module and will probably start running it again though.
Have several hundred helldives with this thing and never been kicked because of using it. Maybe you just was very unlucky with very mean hosts. For any new player, learn additional arc limits, don't shoot if there are teammates inside those limits and if despite of all some accident happens, reinforce your buddy as soon as possible and don't forget to apologize either using reaction wheel, text or voice chat
I always call the opfor "people" too, since it sounds a lot more humorous and lightening to say. "Oh no, there is so much people in front of the house !"
Arc thrower is my all time favourite support weapon against bugs. I must say I liked it way more before last changes. It was so much fun to get the rhythm and shoot this thing extremely fast. But it seems fun is not allowed in this game, so devs quickly changed it. Can't call this exactly nerf, but now it's way less fun to use. Edit: also I'm pretty sure they quietly changed additional arc rules in same patch. Like before it I was so familiar with those rules I didn't kill any teammate from it for several hundred games. After the patch it suddenly started to sometimes produce additional arcs for like a 90º angles and ridiculous distances, so even teammates that I'm accidentally killing are confused how did this happen. And this kind of silent changes are absolutely disgusting.
I tried the arc thrower and thought it would get boring quick since it's so easy to hit enemies but haven't put it down since. My loadout for bug and bots though I mainly play bugs Eagle airstrike Orbital railcannon strike Arc thrower EAT Sickle/shotgun (any primary will work) Redeemer Stuns Armor (+2 extra grenades) I upgraded my ship for the arc thrower and extra missile for eagle I feel like this is a really noob friendly loadout and even though I can run other stuff I still enjoy using this one
Never used the arc until the r36 arrives. Needed a support weapon for it and tried the arc, wow such an amazing gun but I realized that it can be hard if enemies coming close cause r36 will kill you and arc cant target a very close enemy for me, so I used the rover to minimize the chance getting close enemies and for them I got my pistol. But I have to go backwards very often 😂. Whatever I love this game and the possibility for everyone, playing the style he/she wants. Bots are a pain atm, playing some matches and we were always glad if we can survive this shit often with less than 8 samples. Crazy what's going on there
I never considered the targeting bad, I just wish the corpses would still allow it to arc instead of becoming completely inert. It's not supposed to be a precision weapon. It's just like a big piezo lighter and zaps the closest thing
Theres dozens of people coping and saying its working fine when the devs have mentioned in patch notes and posts for several weeks now that they are aware the guns targeting is bugged and it's on the list of things to be fixed lmfao
As much as I love the stagger, I can't justify bringing Arc Thrower, especially aggainst bots. The range being cut almost in half along with slower fire rate makes you a sitting duck, since you'll have to keep firing in order to stay alive and pray it doesn't miss more than once in a row. Paired with not being able to hit enemies that are closer than 2 meters from you, not damaging buildings and taking away your anti-tank slot, it pretty much serves no purpose aside from coolness factor. Most of the things Arc Thrower excells in dealing with you can easily dispatch with just your primary, and in difficulties past 5 all problems come from heavily armored enemies, which this weapon generally can't reasonably kill. The only pro of having infinite ammo just isn't enough to compensate for all the cons it imposes.
keep doing you & making vids like these man they're so informative & showcase what's currently going on in the game. appreciate the work u do for the community as a solo player🙏🏼 would love to run a mission or 2 w/ u sometime but ik u've got your priorities. until next time solider🫡
I think the random targeting is actually on purpose, it's kinda how such a weapon would work in real life. Once the arc leaves the weapon, you'd have no control over where it went. However, what definitely does need to be fixed is how it doesn't hit enemies when they're close to you. That desperately needs to be fixed.
it is meant to aim that way, but i do recommend to stand still and then u shoot, i know u have to jiggle constantly to keep an eye on your surroundings but try standing still and your shots will hit.
If you activate the hellbomb nothing can destroy it. I didn't test it specifically but everytime some bug destroyed the hellbomb it wasn't activated in my experience
The arc isn't glitched. It hits the nearest conductible surface if aimed low. That's why you always hit bodies. You have to be on high ground or keep running away from where you last dropped some bugs. Aim above them.
The targeting of the arc thrower is not bugged or glitched. You aren't firing an electric projectile, you are unleashing an arc of electricity. It can't be controlled other than the initial direction it is released. It will jump to the nearest conductive body upon release, similar to how real life electricity works. You couldn't "manually target" with it, because it isn't a projectile. You aren't shooting a laser in a direction. You are flipping the on switch basically for a brief second, and then the electricity does what physics dictates. Dead body on the ground? That is the path of least resistance to the ground, so the electricity will take that path. As the wielder, its on you to keep the path between you and the enemy you want to target clear. Get some high ground, perhaps with the aid of a jump pack if necessary, and you will be able to target more consistently. I'm so tired of people saying it is bugged or that it should work differently. It works exactly how it is supposed to. Learn how to use it, stop saying its broken; it isn't.
Try pairing it with a guard dog rover instead. This way the rover will deal with the encroaching enemies like hunters. It's an amazing combo especially against the bugs.
