Moxie also said in the first episode that children deserve a chance at a normal life, despite the fact that their parents turned them into monsters, and this applies to himself, since his father forced him to work for the mafia
@@masterelight8172 I mean you have a lot of characters who are really good that by our standards deserve to be in heaven but they belong to hell because they were born there and are descendants of demons (so demons themselves). Helluva Boss has already shown a really bad side to heaven with the angels in season 1. First, you could dismiss the angel's behavior and attitude as an individual problem to them but then you see the hypocritical side of heaven when they try to come back after failing their mission and being rejected and essentially kicked out. So if Heaven in Helluva Boss has such a hypocritical side, the demons who are really good just fit in Hell because they can allow themselves to live the way they want. So Moxie and the other characters simply have their own freedom in a way.
@@jennydonelly8261 Yeah. The sinners of Hell were sent there because of the crimes and sins they committed, while demons like imps and hellhounds were there simply there since their birth. In the beginning of the show, we expected all imps/hellhounds to be as bad as sinners, if not worse. But, in actuality, they could have some [redeeming?] qualities that could separate them from the defined word of "bad" or shown more as good people (to some form of extent, not completely good but not bad, either). Does that necessarily excuse their behavior? (Answering anyone that'd go 'Oh, but the characters in the show are imps, and they do terrible things') No, it wouldn't be excusable [for the characters in the show]. (Sorry if this sounds like ranting. It's just an interesting topic I like to discuss about; how the life of those in Hell and how they arrive in Hell in the first place. It's not something important for the show HH, but more so for HB if this would be taken more into depth.)
@@jennydonelly8261 They were rejected not because they failed the mission, but because they were responsible for the old guy's death. They were wreckless and caused a death they were trying to prevent. On a person who had decided that they wanted to live after all. They effectively committed murder. Additionally, one has to remember what a demon is. Demons are the angels that sided with Lucifer against God and were stripped of their angelic standing and cast into Hell as punishment. Additionally, this cherub group seems to be rather young and thus probably inexperienced. They might not be trained for any sort of diplomacy with demonic forces. Chances are that a higher ranking, more seasoned angel would be less inclined to simply provoke the imps, having more of an idea where that might lead. But, this is conjecture, until we find out one way or another.
that robit was literelly a Robo-Mammon! same laugh, same smile, same eyes, even his arms look like Mammon's tounge! he just used Fizzarolli's likeness to make a robotic version of himself and throw it in his ripoff theme park
@@NoirRaven no, it's because the Robotic Fizzarolli in Loo Loo Land is less of a Robo-Fizz and more of a Robo-Mammon. they have the same smile, the same laugh, dollar sign imagery and Robo-Fizz's limbs even look like Mammon's tounge
The fact blitzø doesnt shoot the creep because he notices fizz having a panic attack and the loud noise wouldve thrown fizz deeper into just shows that blitzø is trying to change and actually shows he cares makes my cold heart feel warm
the scene where moxxie pushes the cinderblock is brutal, but if you pay close attention it's not his mother he pushes overboard, its a male imp, you can tell by the horns, so while his mother did get tossed moxxie himself didnt do it. I suspect it happened earlier. Also, i'm fairly sure i saw his mother's horns on the wall behind crimson before the flashback.
Exactly, it’s like the misconception I’ve heard the most in the fandom. The amount of times I keep trying to comment to tell people it’s NOT her because the imp doesn’t have her horns, legs, tail, or skin color is crazy
@@b4b_lovely337It wasn’t staged, because Moxxie knew the guy he killed wasn’t his mother, because he knows what his own mother looks and sounds like. He did see the shoe at the end in the water tho from when Crim had killed her earlier, do you mean that was staged?
@@kariissmol9172 I really don't think that Crimm was a bad guy, he was just raising Moxxie to join the mafia which was probably how he was raised himself
@Xeorboom contradicting yourself. Mox is an example of someonr being raised into something, and diverting from the path. Just because crimson may have been raised that way, doesn't make him a good, or even *okay* guy. He's still a bad guy.
Also, the fact extra foreshadowing was given on the circus burning down, due to Wally being the person Blitzø shoved out the way, and in Loo Loo Land, Wally having the inconvenient torches.
@@Jessebonnie Pretty sure someone said it was Wally! But, they might've changed it in the Mammon episode due to the stretching thing, although they do look older in the flashback, so who knows.
I'm not so sure that's Wally. A lot of characters seem to have similar hairstyles between childhood and adulthood, and Wally's hair is considerably shorter than the imp being shoved. They horns also look quite different, and I don't think they'd change that much from teenhood to adulthood. Meanwhile, in S2E7, we see a kid who has the same haircut and exact same horns as the Wally we know in the current timeline, which makes it much more likely to be him as a kid.
ALSO at 13:09, if you notice Fizz is grabbing his neck thing, that’s where his microphone is usually hidden when he works at Ozzies! It makes him realize he doesn’t have the same security as he does with Asmodeus which I think contributes to the panic.
@@Sweetie.21 dissociative identity disorder fakers frothing at the mouth trying to interact with someone without ensuring everyone knows they’re faking a disorder
Most of these are better described as call backs, over foreshadowing. One really good bit of foreshadowing was Asmodeus Crystals being open when Stolas throws the book. He later goes and asks for them to solve the problem he's singing baout
@@howellaboutno9500 yeah, I was using that as an example of one of the things in the video that was foreshadowing. Sorry that wasn’t clear, I wrote the original comment when I was half asleep
A callback is a reference to something that already happened. Foreshadowing is a reference to something that will happen. It's not really a callback if it's the plot of an entire episode based on a throwaway line in a previous episode.
I love this video, some of the foreshadowing are so smart, but there's also the scene in the first episode where Moxie says it would be ok to kill a mafia family, which obviously is a reference to his own family, great work compiling all of these though
@@pusheenqueen519well it's not confirmed that she DIED even though it's heavily implied, I'll just wait for confirmation that she died or for Crimm to admit to it
the only issue with this is that in harvest moon moxxie mentions being born in wrath??? even though??? ?????? so like maybe it wasn’t completelyyyyy planned
no it shook me to my core that I didn’t even notice the character designs of Fizz and Blitzo had intentional burn scars and Fizz had mechanical arms until the fire scene and they were not just cool character designs
Also, I don't know if it was intentional or not but when Robofizz is walking out of the fire at Loo Loo land, his face is burned the same way that Blitøs was in the original fire
Here’s a fun “blink and you’ll miss it” moment”: in this scene 5:06, after robot Fizzarolli caught a bullet with his teeth, Blitz says “Ah, what a mouth” and then makes a face that says “Hold up”, as if what he said was so unexpectedly sus, he began to regret wording it that way
It's moments like the "I DID CARE" scene that really reminds you what a good writer and actor Brandon Rogers is. His work such as Helluva boss and his channel is NOT for everyone, but underneath all the crassness there is some legitimately emotional writing.
I believe a lot of the emotional moments are Viv, because she seems to excel at those while Brandon is usually the one with the jokes and general crass vibe. It could he Brandon too. But either way, his vocal performance during that scene, and really many scenes with Blitzo was amazing. Almost made me cry during those scenes with Blitzo and Fizz
I only just noticed that when Blitzø is initially trying to shoot the mother through the window in episode one you can briefly see in the background a child’s head mounted on the wall. If Moxie had seen that then everything would have gone much smoother. A similarity to his family as well.
I mean, fizz teasing and insulting Blitzo the first time we saw him makes sense. He still wasn’t over their incident but now I’m starting to think Mammon and Ozzie might have made him more malicious towards him than the actual clown is
Probably more Mammon, then Ozzie, but I'm guessing that could totally be a reason, cus they do say in the ep, "They said you never wanted to see ME!" "Ohhh"
Reminder that according to the storyboards, the imp Blitzø bumps into holding the cake is Wally Wackford, meaning his Inconvenient Torches mishap is the second time he’s burned a circus (and by weird extension, Fizzarolli)
Fun fact: Stolas's song also references to Blitz's hallucination " Prince, All alone, upon your throne, your power is so frail," references to Stolas being on the throne at the top of the white staircase, it could mean that's how Blitz see's his perspective of Stolas being a Royal demon and being weighted under Stolas as just an item for him to enjoy " You raise your voice, you have no choice, inside your gilded jail," references to Blitz being binded up in chains and screaming while being covered and trapped in the golden feathers
Moxxie, in S1E1, says he'd understand if someone hired them to kill a shitty dad or a mob family, which could be foreshadowing his shitty mafia boss dad. Also, I saw somewhere that Wormhorse could be foreshadowing Fizzarolli losing his limbs, but don't want to believe that
Apparently in S1E7 (Ozzie's), there's a shot where we see Stolas had the Ozzie meeting on his calendar before the date night, meaning the idea to meet with Ozzie foe the crystal before the night of Ozzie's, meaning he was already planning to signal to Blitzo that he wanted their relationship to be more than it was before he knew Blitzo was scared of the opposite
Another piece of foreshadowing is when the picture of blitzø's family burns away. His mom's head is completely engulfed by flames while the rest of the fire tears blitzø and his sister away from each other
I'm just... holy shit, that trauma must have reocurred when blitz saw fizz (this time the robot) in a burning circus again... and he completely drowned it out eith violence ^^
My favorite line of blitzøs that no one seems to notice is in ep 1 when missed with the gun and the wife shot a hole through the wall he yelled ‘a new hole!’ It had me dying
There is a lot of times Stolas’ song is used throughout the series. Mostly in scenes with Stolas. Also here 12:14 he says .gov, which means that hell has a government system.
It’s like an oligarchical dictatorship. The 7 deadly sins have control over their respective rings, with Lucifer having absolute control over them and all of hell collectively.
@@howellaboutno9500 and we already know what mox got in for, we just need to know what blitz got in for, prolly a charge for trying to access the human world without the proper ranking
I like to think that Moxxie’s mom is the one who hit Crim. And that is why Moxxie married a strong woman, because his mom was as physically strong as his father, just too kind to hurt anybody. Just a headcanon though.
I don't think so. Crimson is abusive, but his wife was gentler and kept Moxxie out of harms way. It is also implied Crim killed her. Although it might have been because she tried to stand up to him, you may have a point
I wouldn't really call most of this foreshadowing as much as placing easter eggs and backfilling the lore. Foreshadowing must be intentional at the time of writing, and I'm pretty sure about 70% of all of the S1 stuff wasn't that meticulously planned out until they'd had time to feel out the direction of the show.
Definitely a weird assumption, cause it’s obvious that a lot of this foreshadowing was REAL deliberate since the beginning of season 1. Loo Loo Land along makes it very clear how much was planned in advance for Stolas’ character and Blitz’ backstory with Fizz.
one thing you missed was that the music that played when young blitzo and stolas were under the chandelier was the same music during the scene where blitz tells stolas they’re not a couple and drives off
In the pilot (yes I know it’s technically not canon anymore but I count this as canon since Moxxie does hate his family) when Blitzø asks “whacha dreamin about?” He answers “I was dreaming of my family being murdered, but now, I’d like to get back to that”
I wouldn't call Stolas's song foreshadowing as that's just his theme. I also wouldn't call anything in the trailer foreshadowing as it's showing you bits of what is going to be in the season.
Angeldust speaking about an orphan without limbs in the pilot episode (during the limo drive, giving an example of a "sad thing") also kinda remembered me of Fizzy
Honestly, Blitzo's 'Killing a mother/ruining a family' line in ep1 is more foreshadowing HIS OWN backstory. Also, between that and Moxxie's own 'Maybe a shitty dad or a mob family' line, does anyone else feel like Loona's rather specific spiel about the shitty family (particularly the kid setting dogs on fire) is hinting at HER backstory/horrible trauma?
And moxies phrase: “ maybe a shitty dad, or a mob family, that’s understandable” when they are talking about models of families that can be killed? Or the fact that robo fizz smile is the same mammon has in s2 ep 7?
It says Moxxie didn't want to kill a mother. I don't even think the person he drowned was his mother. Different horns and different voice. Crimson probably killed her not long before this guy's execution.
The scene at 2:35 is so sad & depressing to me bc Crimson manipulated Moxxie to kill his own mother. Seriously tho, i hope Crimson ends up in *TRIPLE* hell like Valentino
and then the red horse jumped over the worm horse and makes him happy again. ... and then Blitzo like: nahh, there is blood everywhere! And I think it's just what both thought of the situation after Fizz lost his limbs. Fizz being actually happy as the green horse, and Blitz thinks like well when that red horse (him) does that, the worm horse (Fizz) will be hurt even more. Maybe.
1:04 also earlier in the ep. when moxxie is doing target practice he says smt like- "I could understand is was a bad dad or a mob family. now that's understandable."
Idk why but the boat scene was the first time Helluva Boss (or any other animated show for that matter) has ever made me feel genuine fear or sorrow. Like, I've seen Blitz and Fizz's circus accident and stuff from this show is supposed to make you feel those types of feelings but the boat scene felt so real and fear-inducing. It might have been the tone or the music or something but I remember when I watched the episode for the first time as part of a Helluva Boss Marathon with my friend, both of us actually had to take a break after this scene was done because we couldn't handle it and had to finish the episode later. That's good storytelling.
You should retitle this to references, because most of this does not fit the definition of "foreshadowing": "A literary device in which an author drops subtle hints about plot developments to come later in the story". Moxxie's reaction to having to kill a mother is a perfect example of foreshadowing. #1 is a call-back, not foreshadowing. #2 is just information not foreshadowing anything. #3 IS foreshadowing. #4 is additional context. #5 is foreshadowing if you cut out the random mention of it at Ozzie's club. That clip is a call-back, but the amusement park catching on fire IS foreshadowing the circus fire reveal. #6 is a cameo. #7 is just his theme. #8 Not sure if this counts as foreshadowing or an outright statement of what's going to happen next. There's a lot of focus on it, which diminishes its potential as foreshadowing. #9 Could be foreshadowing, or it could just be an early example of a prominent character trait. I'm leaning towards the latter. #10 Again not sure if this counts as foreshadowing or a teaser, since it's not actually in the show.
And a TRUE example of foreshadowing would be the Loo Loo Land episode where Wally burned up the circus and Blitz and Robo Fizz are in the same exact situation. Robo Fizz gets burned in the explosion from the fire and Blitz made it out alive just like what happened with Teen Blitz and Teen Fizz when their circus were on fire and Fizz lost all his limbs and Blitz made it out alive. I agree, recalling events isn't foreshadowing
The imps tend to reflect the rings they were born in, with some exceptions like Moxie. I have a theory that Blitz was born in the envy or pride ring. But he does have a lot more envy in him, he's envious of others love relationships. But at the same time he can be quite prideful
My favorite so far is how In seeing stars(idk if that's the name but I believe so) when loona asks "what the f is that" Blitzo says: "my acting career" probably referring to his circus career Ending up with firework's making boom
There’s also the fact in the first episode that Moxxie wouldn’t kill a family unless it’s a mafia family which would be understandable. Moxxie comes from a mafia family
Also the whole pirates, blood thing while fizz is playing with blitzo when they where kids foreshadows that fizz is uncomfortable with blood also foreshadowing why blizo didnt just shoot the creepy guy when fizz was about to have a panic attack
I don't think most of these are foreshadowing, more like a callback to a previous moment, or expanding on previously given details. The only one I could call foreshadowing is the Asmodeus crystal thing, cuz they intentionally dropped a hint with zero information on it and then took that detail into a future plot point (Which I still feel like has been underutilized and is probably going to continue to come up). Someone else mentioned Moxxies Mob Family comment in the pilot, which I could call foreshadowing (even though I don't know if they intended to write his backstory the way they did at that time, it's still a little unclear but it could definitely work as such). Everything here though... it's just basic worldbuilding.
Just fyi moxie as a child was not forced to kill his own mother that demon he pushed into the lake was just a random shmuk who crossed crimson and before your two braincells say "bUt hEr bOoT fLoAtS uP tO tHe sUrFaCe" that was just for dramatic effect to show that crimson had killed all these people himself INCLUDING moxies mother
Idk if this counts, but, Blitzø's dad selling him for money, and Mammon wanting money, Mammon even has little "$" signs on the ends of his jester hat thing...
7:44 I wouldn’t call that foreshadowing lol, that’s just Stolas’ musical motif. It just plays when he’s on screen to give him a musical profile rather that to foreshadow some big event or anything
At 4:41 you can also see a poster for Fizz sex bots advertising various features such as "real tentacle action" "ten speed vibration" and "machine washable". Right after that at 4:45 there are more posters for robofizz plus a poster for Mammon Cola and a disclaimer that lulu land is not lulu world which is lucifers Theme Park.
The thing is though.. not only was moxxie's mother's tail not striped, the person who moxxie pushed off the boat was a guy, indicated by the horns. I don't think it was actually his mother, but his father made it seem that was to intimidate him.
It's because Moxx is a helluva marksman that he's always able to take his target out from a distance so he never had to build up any physical strength (the fights with Stryker are proof of that).
I love how stolas wears his cape magic side in, but paimon wore it magic side out showing how stolas has more personality and isn't very fixated on looking like a power figure
Just wanted to share that I spent at least 3 mindless hours today scanning documents at work while “got the book, got the book, got this heavy fuckin book” ran through my head repeatedly in Blitzø’s voice
Most of that is not foreshadowing, just a story making sense between episodes. Foreshadowing is a discrete hint, not a whole scene. Also the "same imp" is someone from the animation team, just a recurring cameo and not even the only one. The music from the trailer is a teaser The asmodean crystal is foreshadowing. Moxxie saying "maybe like a sh*tty dad or a mob family" was foreshadowing Robo Fizz and Blitzø, interactions in LooLooLand were foreshadowing about Blitzø's relationship with Fizz. Octavia's line about Lulu World could be a form of foreshadowing for Hazbin Hotel IF they use the theme park in a way making it foreshadowing, not just worldbuilding exposition and Mammon characterization And if you're wondering, Stella saying to Stolas she knows he'll pay is not foreshadowing, it's dramatic irony cause Stolas doesn't know what she's talking about while the viewer already knows she hired Striker, it's just saying she planned something soon
Another thing I would say is foreshadowing is in the Robo-Fizzie ad Mammon steps on the fluffy toy fizzie which happens again to Fizz in the 2-Minutes Notice song and also probably hints at Mammon being abusive
The first scene (loo loo land too) wasnt really foreshadowing and was moreso a reference/callback to the pilot but otherwise, a lot of these are super thought out!!
Something heartbreaking that i just noticed is at 2:54 , although its muffled, it sounds like Moxxie's assumed to be mother is trying to say "I love you."
For the whole Moxie being hesitant to kill a mother thing, he probably didn't kill his mom. It's a cool theory, don't get me wrong, but the base of the horns of the imp moxie was next to doesn't match the horns of a female imp, but a male one, plus the voice sounded a little too deep even while muffled. His mom was probably killed a while ago.
@@ChiTheDemiguy I take it you didn't read my comment or watch the video? Like I said, the voice and horns **Do Not Match** a female imp's and not only that, but after rewatching the scene, you can see his mom's shoe float up much farther away from the boat and absolutely NONE of the other items in the water even remotely match anything Moxie's mom had on her
