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HELP? What's Wrong Wtih my IC-7100? 

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@davisjohnson3621
@davisjohnson3621 Месяц назад
It’s probably a relay in the output filter section stuck in the open or closed position. This is a 13 band radio and 7 filter segments, so it’s likely that the radio “builds” the correct filter out of the segments based on frequency selected. It’s also indicated by the bands that trip the power protection 20, 40, 80. That suggests a common element.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Very smart observation, thanks!
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Месяц назад
A worthwhile check might be to lower the output power on HF down and see if it resets… if it doesn’t.. crank up the power until it does. If you get like… 30-50W out… before it shuts off… check for any high resistance joints or bad connections in the power lead.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Sounds like a plan!
@Homer19521
@Homer19521 Месяц назад
Full reset. Save all settings beforehand. SARTS in west michigan is the place to send it. Check the plug in line fuse connections. I eliminated those fuses (if not mobile). However, it seems the voltmeter on the radio stays above the critical (~10vdc) level when transmitting so they are prolly not the issue.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I didn't mention it here, but I did a full reset in the first vid where I found the problem. Thanks for the tip about SARTS, checking now.
@K5YVY
@K5YVY Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline my 705 screen was replaced by the Michigan place. 3week turn around from left my to got back to my door. And he checked full alignment 😎
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@K5YVY Sweet!
@MikeN2MAK
@MikeN2MAK Месяц назад
@@K5YVY thanks, i just bookmarked that website since I'm bound to bork one of my ICOMS at some point, LOL
@davenewmyer3735
@davenewmyer3735 Месяц назад
If you decide to send it off, the ICOM repair in Michigan is who I would suggest. Besides repair, they can bring up the unit up to current specs.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Current specs is a good thing to know. Thanks for the tip!
@bb_37
@bb_37 Месяц назад
On late-model Icoms, pressing the PTT in CW won't generate any output. That just puts the radio into transmit, but you won't get any power output until you key the radio through the CW keying jacks. Just tried one of my IC-7100s (I have two). In CW mode, no output when PTT pressed. In RTTY mode, full output when PTT pressed. For that reason, I usually test radios for output using RTTY, FSK, or FM modes as they all should produce output when keyed with PTT. The IC-7100, like most Icoms, is sensitive to supply voltage. The fact that in your video, the radio shut down and the battery's circuit protection popped when you keyed in RTTY tells me that you don't have enough voltage or that the radio is pulling so much current when transmitting that the voltage drops so far that the radio's CPU resets. When you have the full metering screen displayed, there's a voltage indicator on the right ("Vd"). The scale has a solid line with ticks at the ends followed by a dotted line. If the voltage drops below the rightmost tick when transmitting, you don't have enough voltage. Adjust the power output level down from 100% to see if you can find a point where there's enough voltage on transmit to keep the radio from resetting. Possible sources of low voltage are 1. your battery can't deliver the current that you think it can or 2. there's a significant resistance in the power cable. As a test, put the radio in RTTY mode, dial the power output down to 25%, and then key the radio. If you get output, then you may have a problem with your battery. If the battery seems to check OK, look at your power cable. Any corrosion or frayed wiring at connectors could be a problem. The Icom power cables are notorious for fuse holder problems. Pull the fuses out, clean the contacts, maybe tighten the contacts a bit with needle-nose pliers, and put things back together to see if you eliminated the resistance and resulting voltage drop. If you decide to send it for service, SAR Technical Services in St. Joseph, Michigan, is an authorized Icom repair center. He's very honest and does good work. www.sarts1.com/
@rickrobinson899
@rickrobinson899 Месяц назад
To operate cw with a mic you must turn on the proper key setting in the menu. You probably know this but it doesn’t hurt to check that in your menu the key type is set for up/down on the mic.
@rickrobinson899
@rickrobinson899 Месяц назад
Fuses need cleaned. Scotch brite them even if they look good.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Fantastic tips - I'll check them out!
@johnk8091
@johnk8091 Месяц назад
Always check power out in RTTY mode, not CW (when using a microphone). The reason it powered off in RTTY mode is because your 12v supply cannot supply the required current. Hook up a good 30 amp power supply, in RTTY mode and retest
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Great idea!
@WECB640
@WECB640 Месяц назад
Steve, from what I saw in the video it looks like a logic malfunction in the bandpass filter on the rig. If I'm reading it right, I also see that the ALC on the display is all the way up in both RX and TX. This could be the result of something external plugged into the rig and/or possibly a shorted component on the ALC buss line inside the rig. Listen to see if you can hear (or feel) the relays in the BPF (band pass filter) switching when you change bands in RX. At 3:37 looking at the PCB, I think I see a toroid (upper row on the left, next to the green toroid). The one on the left looks like it may have got hot, but I can't really tell from the camera angle. Look at it closely for discoloration under the windings. When you went to 40M and the rig shut down the battery, it would be good to see the radio display as we saw at the beginning of the video where it shows Id (drain current) on the bottom row. I'm presuming you don't have a DC clamp meter. Hope that helps. I know how difficult it is when you don't have all the test gear and a normal workbench available. If I can assist, you know how to reach me. 73 OM
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks Hollywood! I have learned a lot today and have some work to do.
@2EOGIY
@2EOGIY Месяц назад
You could check finals using transistor checkers; that is one thing. What I can see is an impedance short, something that shorts to ground at a specific frequency, an overheated core, and melted-down insulation on those transformers. Some caps nearby the finals or after the finals could dry out. I can only guess as I'm not familiar with that icon. Do you have any LCR that works with soldered caps? Remember to discharge them before measure.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks for the tips. No LCR here yet.
@victorcharlie7491
@victorcharlie7491 Месяц назад
All's well that ends well, tnx man!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
This will end well, of course
@hpbear101
@hpbear101 Месяц назад
I had a similar issue with my 7200 key down on any band that was max output it would completely shut the radio down. I googled it, and it turned out to be mild corrosion just a slight tarnish) on my in line fuse of all things, seems to be fairly common. When running at max output there was just enough corrosion/tarnish to allow a voltage drop causing the radio to shut down. I pulled and re-seated the fuses and everything back to normal. I replaced the fuses just to start fresh. 73 DE N7BYD
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Man, I hope it's that simple!
@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953
@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953 Месяц назад
Transistor checker will tell you gain. If you had one Mr BBI always checks his pills with one 😊
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Hey Kevin! Thanks for the new channel to watch. I'm on it!
@mrradio2187
@mrradio2187 Месяц назад
I placed my 'Golden Screwdriver' next to my 7100 to serve as a warning I'm ready to do the unthinkable if necessary. Fear is a powerful motivator and failure is not an option!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks for the encouragement!
@mrradio2187
@mrradio2187 Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline You can also place a photograph of your favorite voodoo priestess on top of the main unit overnight. A favorite among hams in New Orleans so I've heard. A few dried chicken bones and crows feathers increases repair success potential. Good luck!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@mrradio2187 Thanks, Imma need all the help I can get!
@45auto
@45auto Месяц назад
That's a real shame. I really like my 7100 also. It needs the optical reader replaced so I'd like to hear about good repair shops.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Me too!
@Andy2e0ree
@Andy2e0ree Месяц назад
Ok Steve some good ideas but the first thing I check is the fuses the the earth on the board.Then in FM check 10 m after that is the 2 10k resisters on the out put .If you have to sent it back hope in warranty if not the board is about $400 73 brother
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks Andy! I knew I could count on you!
@JosephVE3GKT
@JosephVE3GKT Месяц назад
Steve, the only thing I've experienced that can cause a shutdown like that is insufficient supply voltage. I've shortened my power cord to about 18". Reseat all your fuses including the internal yellow one and see if that helps. 73 VE3GKT
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks Joseph, it looks like the battery is shutting the radio off, not the radio shutting down on its own. Still digging, thanks for helping!
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz Месяц назад
I have no idea, but send it to me. I'll get it fixed and keep it.👌😂
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Sure, that will be $1500US in shipping! 😂
@LeeMcc_KI5YPR
@LeeMcc_KI5YPR Месяц назад
First, try to get a service manual with schematic. Icom had one for my IC-7000 online. Are the drivers MOSFET or bipolar? Knowing that while ohming helps. Are the filters series cap or series inductor? Maybe a bad cap in a filter. Some bands pulling power down suggests filters. [ETA] Band filters are bandpass, but check filter caps for shorts [/] The 100ah battery probably allows 100A which is crazy; I would expect massive smoke...unless a finals transistor is already slag. Its amazing how much current a melted power transistor can take. And they don't get hot because its a short (this from someone who has debugged many comple multi-phase switching supply failures).
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks for the tips, I'll dig in
@tonyd6884
@tonyd6884 Месяц назад
that's very unfortunate. I like having the 7100 in the truck. I hope it's nothing major.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Me too. Thanks
@LanceVK6LK_AussieHam
@LanceVK6LK_AussieHam Месяц назад
Try TRX Lab “icom ic-7100 no transmitt on shortwave” looks like it might be the exact same problem. Lance
@N1ERA-73
@N1ERA-73 Месяц назад
I just watched that video the other day.. I think you are right Lance
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks Lance. I'm a fan of TRX Lab!
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Месяц назад
The TRX labs one looks to be no transmit on shortwave or 2m/70cm.
@aa3konthego
@aa3konthego Месяц назад
Have youtried in CW or RTTY modes? SSB produces minimal power out unless there is modulation input. Went to use the 706 in my truck on 70cm FM the other day and nothing to my YL standing 30 feet away. No receive either. Need to dig into that now.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I did both CW and RTTY.
@aa3konthego
@aa3konthego Месяц назад
@@temporarilyofflineIn the immortal words of Star Trsk, "It's dead, Jim!"
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@aa3konthego Right, RU-vid won't let me say that... but you can 😀
@AniruddhaBokilVU3FML
@AniruddhaBokilVU3FML Месяц назад
Oh man...that sucks! I am sure you will get it up and running soon!....I may be way off and also i am no expert, but just to help...is it possible that the hf so239 has developed a bad solder joint due to some reason? Or i guess you already checked that...let us know how it turns out.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Its possible - but this was also a different coax than last time. Good tip!
@davidm.wilson3736
@davidm.wilson3736 Месяц назад
Hi Steve, Omg😢hoping it’s nothing serious. Be safe have a good weekend. By the way my first radio will be a ft- 891 due to the pricing of ICOM Radios in Australia. Ageing hoping the radio is nothing serious David. VK2AAW
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks David. The 891 is a great radio.
@dwhip49
@dwhip49 Месяц назад
Completely unrelated department: As a career AF and one time crew-chief I am intrigued by the "Remove before flight" streamer that appears to have spent some time on the flight line. Meanwhile I was about to pull the trigger on buying one of these but think I will wait to see if you come up with a fix.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
The streamer is from an F-14 steering damper and its attached to a canopy jettison handle. I worked for NorthGrum for a while on the F-14 program. Good times. The 7100 is a great radio, just make sure to test its power output on all bands before pulling the trigger. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that broke this rig.
@dwhip49
@dwhip49 Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline That might make a good topic "How not to break your radio" Grumman Iron works good reputation. Remember seeing my first F14 on the ramp...from behind its just two engines with wings...
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@dwhip49 This /might/ have been a case of not having an HF antenna plugged in and the mic in the dash resting on PTT for too long... but I'm not honestly sure at this time. If I find an answer, I'll share.
@BobbieCook-wo8jl
@BobbieCook-wo8jl Месяц назад
replace the fuses even if they appear good. i had the same trouble with a ic756 and it was the fusses.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
oh, that's super weird! I'm on it!
@rickrobinson899
@rickrobinson899 Месяц назад
Yes. Clean with scotchbrite even if they test good. An invisible film can creat a few ohms resistance which will result in low voltage to the radio.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@rickrobinson899 makes sense, thanks
@robmccray6360
@robmccray6360 Месяц назад
I had a similar situation on field day, but it was due to going back and forth between digital and SSB and it was not keying up on SSB. Check your MIC USB and ACC settings just to be sure.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I did a factory reset... but it could have still remembered these settings. I was messing with the MIC USB/ACC settings prior to this problem happening.
@robmccray6360
@robmccray6360 Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline Wish I could be more helpful, but I fiddled with mine for about an hour to the point that I completely forgot which setting I magically changed to make it work. But it was definitely not keying the SSB because it was expecting the computer to key the radio for digital signal.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@robmccray6360 Naw man, that's perfect. I know the setting!
@robmccray6360
@robmccray6360 29 дней назад
@@temporarilyoffline Did you ever get resolution on your IC-7100 issue?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 29 дней назад
@robmccray6360 not yet. Still on the filming/test bench. We're gonna do this in real time.
@Superacerc
@Superacerc Месяц назад
Perhaps when the relay connects for transmit on HF finals it's showing then... But without relay activated you can't see the short.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
That makes sense, thanks!
@user-yq1mh8ij9k
@user-yq1mh8ij9k Месяц назад
Did you try turning the power down to 10 watts to see if it worked at lower power?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
No, good call!
@dnssigns
@dnssigns Месяц назад
Full factory reset. First thing to try. No love there then probably have to go back.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Smart Idea! First thing I did a reset at the park... still need to dig some more. It might be going back though... we'll see! Thanks for watching.
@Siskiyous6
@Siskiyous6 Месяц назад
I hate it when that happens, I loved my 7100, you already knew that. One is none though.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
In this case, none is none
@KS0JD
@KS0JD Месяц назад
My guess is the 2m/70cm probably uses a different set of finals. If it receives it means the oscillator is probably working correctly. With a scope and a schematic you could do some quick and informative troubleshooting.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I guess I'd have to get the scope out and start working!
@signalscout6020
@signalscout6020 Месяц назад
Well daggum.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Right!
@keithfrost1268
@keithfrost1268 Месяц назад
3 things that will cause it to shut down or reboot. Low voltage, Bad Cable(yes, they go bad) from head to radio body, and RF coming back up the cable
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Great tips!
@AndyAAzeroAM
@AndyAAzeroAM Месяц назад
Is it the same battery set up? Probably not the battery but I like to eliminate things. Especially easy things to test. Be nice if it was a battery issue instead
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
In my case part 1 was car battery. Part 2 is battery in house.
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline Maybe try the car battery again and see what gets hot! ;-) Maybe not the best approach...
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@paulsengupta971 More isn't always better 🤣
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline Be sure to use a 20A fuse...you don't want too much smoke to come out.
@mikezagorsky
@mikezagorsky Месяц назад
A few dumb checks...did you try FM on HF? Did you check that mic was not set to USB or ACC (which it can do other than data mode).
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I never really think about FM on HF. I should do that more often. Checking the mic settings is on the list!
@Ei2iP
@Ei2iP Месяц назад
Me thinks you are looking into space when you look into that radio
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I hope I can bring it back.
@Sidmi5utc
@Sidmi5utc Месяц назад
Have you tried the radio connected to a power supply other than the battery ?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I have not. I don't usually use a power supply... this is the second battery, so its not "this battery".
@thebnbaldwin
@thebnbaldwin Месяц назад
I would have tapped on any relays, and just poked around the finals with a voltmeter, keyed and un-keyed. A RF voltmeter and schematic would be nice to have!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Good tips! Just starting the journey and bringing everybody along.
@KA4UPW
@KA4UPW Месяц назад
If a complete reset dosent work, there is a predriver before the PA (finals). Check it before looking at the finals
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Excellent! Thanks
@KA4UPW
@KA4UPW Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline The early IC-7000s had this problem. Not aware of it carrying over to the IC-7100 though
@M0WWS
@M0WWS Месяц назад
Icoms like 13.8v on transmit. Try it on a PSU not a crappy amazon LIPO 12.8v battery.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Do you have a non-crappy PSU you recommend?
@KeepEvery1Guessing
@KeepEvery1Guessing Месяц назад
I'm suspicious of the band select relays, i.e.; maybe one is hung up. Ohm meter?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I'll check. Thanks for the tip!
@SuperSuperGenius
@SuperSuperGenius Месяц назад
Check your PA board.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Good Call!
@DK5ONV
@DK5ONV Месяц назад
Well...Radios having Feelings too. Sometimes they are moody and not feeling up to go for a Job at all. Don't laugh....
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I have mechanical empathy... My wife laughs at me when I say that too, but it's true.
@phillyedhrj
@phillyedhrj Месяц назад
...turbines to speed. Roger. Ready to move out.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Holy Magic Smoke, Batman!
@mezzoono
@mezzoono Месяц назад
send it to TRX Lab
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Oh yeah, he'd get it fixed!
@RudixSA
@RudixSA Месяц назад
Looks like you were keying the mike on HF, on SSB or CW that won't produce any output. Put it in FM mode an repeat.....
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
That's a good tip. I'll double check those parts where I did CW - I'd guess that the radio would power off on all modes that way.
@RudixSA
@RudixSA Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline The powering off is another issue, might not be related to the lack of output. The current draw exceeded the max allowed by the BMS so it was actually the BMS powering off not the radio. Try on FM but start at lower output and work your way up. If you have a way to measure the current draw that will give you an idea if the radio is drawing excessive current or if the BMS is simply cutting off early to protect the (maybe low on charge) battery.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@RudixSA I do have a way of testing that and I get what you're saying. I'll test it out.
@user-zk2yd6xm8s
@user-zk2yd6xm8s Месяц назад
You forgot to use one of your most important senses, that huge nose that you keep tapping
@BrianFields
@BrianFields Месяц назад
After I disassemble the first test is the visual scorch inspection, the second is the sniff test!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Absolutely correct. Nothing smelled burnt here.
@Choppus13
@Choppus13 Месяц назад
Problem is it's an icom
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Oh, good thing it's the only one I have left!
@Beaksnout
@Beaksnout Месяц назад
Nothin a little bondo and duct tape won't fix. U checked the gas right?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
This one takes diesel... I'll check
@nr3rful
@nr3rful Месяц назад
I think you need a new Flux capacitor
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Probably should get 2 while I'm at the store.
@kennethrkennedy
@kennethrkennedy Месяц назад
Here is a repair for a very similar issue. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nGOvEOelDTo.htmlsi=cEVdt8R7MZgwTs9t
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
Thanks! Its in the queue
@Echelon_Sky_Denver
@Echelon_Sky_Denver Месяц назад
You really have no idea what you are doing, do you?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
I know what I'm doing, but it's clear that you don't know what I'm doing.
@cornbread-KO5RN
@cornbread-KO5RN Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline WHAT We’ve got hear is failure to communicate 😂
@cornbread-KO5RN
@cornbread-KO5RN Месяц назад
@@temporarilyoffline AH HECK I MUST BE GETTING OLD THAT IS SO FUNNY I ALMOST SPILT MY COFFEE, could’ve used one of those new fangled spill prof mugs 😂in firecracker pink
@cornbread-KO5RN
@cornbread-KO5RN Месяц назад
@@temporarilyofflineYou a crafty one stranger I know what your doing getting out of that honey do list 😂
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Месяц назад
@@cornbread-KO5RN A wise man once said: "You've got to know when to hold 'em..."
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