No ‘carnivore’ will ever convince me that diet is healthy. When I was on it, I couldn’t use the bathroom. I felt lethargic. I had severe muscle cramps due to lack of potassium and magnesium. It’s bland and boring. My body odor was horrid. Never again. I also want to add I never felt great about eating animals. I’m Jewish, so it’s easy not to eat pigs. I visited in a pig preserve in Jamestown, TN, and quickly learned pigs are very intelligent, cute, and fun to be around. I love cows, too. And it’s awful what the factory farm does to chickens. I am slowly working my way back to a plant-based diet. When I was, I felt super healthy and thin. Tons of energy.
Exactly its the most gross diet ever . I am glad you saw the light . I knew they all gad to be super constipated and smelly . We are not carnivore , carnivore ertaiky dont eat butter cheese and eggs on the regular they can't even get it right .
This is going to vary widely from person to person. I completely believe you when you say the carnivore diet didn't work for you, but if it works for another person then that's great. The same is constantly said about the Vegan diet. Just go on all the Keto/Paleo/Carnivore channels and all you'll read is how the Vegan diet gave them constipation, bloated gut, and lots of gas. Then they'll go on about how they were low on certain vitamins and minerals. This will vary with peoples genetics and what food they ate as they grew up.
I'm 64, I have been low carb for OVER 25 years, carnivorous for OVER 5 years. Why? I feel better not eating plants, sugar, starches, vegetable and seed oils. It's all about context, LDL in the context of high glucose/insulin and high triglycerides may be meaningful, NOT the same in the context of LOW carb diets. I am not taking any medication, super active, all my health metrics are within the "perfect" range, except for LDL cholesterol being 200 mg/dL, my HDL is 70 and my triglycerides < 50, perfect blood pressure and many other markers. My coronary calcification score is zero. Traditional high carbohydrate diets are responsible for many of the chronic diseases, along vegetable / seed oils. It is possible that a vegetarian diet is superior to the standard American diet, but that does not mean it is an ideal diet for humans.
@@bazileia9222 the doctor is not a pilot, neither has he made any claims of that ridiculous nature whatsoever. Therefore any "what if" arguments are futile, useless and hold no bearing on reality, and are in fact, ridiculous to even consider at all. But that's the best you vegans can do. Did I really need to explain that to you? like a child? Next.
here is the problem the modern nutritional rules are being pushed in the usa are bullshit and it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. and to understand you have to look back to where the rules come from and thats when you discover that long a go the crypt keepers that are in DC starting having health problems and the current modern nutritional ideology is literally the thing that was being prescribed to crypt keepers. the fing idiots went good enough for us good enough for everyone. modern doctors cant even speak out against it without risking their jobs they have to speak in vague ways around the subject its wild to see when you actually start to notice it.
I'm in my early 30s. I ate a fairly "healthy" version of SAD diet from when I was about 16 until I was about 27. After that I ate a healthy vegeteration diet for 5 years, then started greying, losing hair, skin was getting dryer, suffering from low energy. Now after 4 months on a carnivore diet, every metric of my blood work (testosterone, vitamin D, etc) is MUCH better than it ever was on SAD or vegetarian diets. And I have never been the type to eat tons of junk food, so this isn't a result of "just" cutting out junk food. My cholelstoral has gone up as a result of carnivore diet but EVERY OTHER marker has improved, so for me I've come to the conclusion that high cholestoral alone isn't cause for concern. Let's all meet back here in a few years and see how we're feeling 😉
@@DanteLikesRock Low effort spamming. Nature doesn't have intentions and natural doesn't mean healthy. And people if were interested in health outcomes, supplements should always be considered for *all diets.
@@Sovvyy absolute nonsense. Look at all the animals in the wild thriving with their supplements. Oh wait... they don't. They just eat what comes naturally to them. You vegans are ridiculous.
@dantelikesrock in another thread you were ok with her supplementation of vitamin D although we take about 80% from exposure to sun, but somehow B12 is too much for you, even though that about 40% of population (non vegans) have to supplement due to malabsobtion, go figure... Cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger are strong with you dude...
@@bazileia9222 you can't compare the two. needing to supplement for a vitamin that is synthesized from sunlight is completely different to supplementing a lack of nutrients in your diet, some people work indoors all day and cant get sun. Not the same as people going out of their way to malnourish themselves. This is about DIET. Your point?
I would love to be Vegan but from what I've seen, Carnivores tend to look a lot healthier than vegans. I don't understand why that is, if wfpb is better for us.
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet? Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones. If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects. Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet? Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones. If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects. Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
@@hobogardenerben You'll care when you or a loved one dies from a deforested Amazon which will cause the next global pandemic . . Please think before saying stuff.
@@hobogardenerben Your fellow traveller carnivore Dr Jordon Peterson stated 1 / 10 people have a IQ of less than 85 , this seem unbelievable to me untill I familiarised myself with the carni community.
@@DanteLikesRockNonsensical propaganda??? You mean like the meat, dairy, pharmaceutical, and medical industries, who are always conditioning and programming the mainstream status quo, of farmed human animals aka sheeple, with their literal bullshit???
@@itsmedante.5325 Shut up! I am not! Clearly, you are though! I haven't eaten dead animals in 35 years, and I am thriving. You're no authority on the subject matter of plant-based nutrition, and herbal medicine. Maybe you should go seek some actual knowledge, and develop your own conscious awareness in the ways that i have over the course of my entire adult life, and then we will talk in 2058 to compare our note , at that point. You can let me know what you think about plant=based nutrition and herbal medicine then, and not a moment sooner. k, thanks! bye!
What more to expect from a guy somewhat trying to dismiss the therm carnivore for people eating butter while also calling himself vegan besides consuming chocolate and using spices to make his meals somewhat enjoyable (the list could go on for days you know....) 🙄
For a woman to be living on steak and butter is frightening as the Bovine Leukemia Virus genome is found to be in 60% of breast cancer cases in the US. Great as always Mic
@@orion9k: What's amazing is that I can't tell if you're a funny person who is telling a joke, or if you unironically believe something that insanely stupid. Dead animal remains and animal products are extremely toxic garbage to human physiology.
Ok. Then how do you explain Dr Shawn Baker, full carnivore over 10 years. Still very healthy, and no plaque in arteries. I've actually improved auto immune issues going mostly carnivore. Several compounds in many plants I cannot eat. Skin goes crazy.
@@erastvandoren it's called a calcium artery scan. Very simple MRI scan to check arteries for any plaque. I had mine done recently. Im 52, eat lots of meat, fatty meat.... no plaque. Sugar and too many carbs are the real enemy. Obviously processed food!
I have familial hypercholesteremia. My mother died from heart disease, now I have advanced heart disease. I had zero other factors that would contribute to heart disease. I was always active, had low blood pressure. I have been vegan for years, but with total cholesterol of 375 my doctor recommended statins. I refused to take them, that was 15 years ago, now I am suffering with advanced heart disease. It's the cholesterol people, pay attention, unlike me.
You know your brain runs on cholesterol right ?? 😂😂 your body produces cholesterol.... if you eat food with a lot of it them your body will decrease the amount it creates. It's 200% not the cholesterol.
Being vegan is absolutely terrible for your health, specifically if you are northern european. Tens of thousands of years progressed eating all manner of animal products
My wife and I are the only Vegans in our families, and yesterday, we had her side over for dinner for her dad's birthday. Her brother informed us that he's going to a Carnivore diet and doesn't want to hear anything about it from us. We were told he has done his research, and he's doing it, and nothing we could say would change his mind. I so badly wanted to show him your videos, but I knew he wouldn't even listen. 😔
Mics "Vegan carnivore swap" video is a great one to show, but yes can't be co dependent, people don't want to hear it but there Are ways to inject your truth into your speech ✌️ What's worked for me is... Or- the way I understand it is.....
we had her side over for dinner haha and then forced your vegan diet on them, but when you visit them they cater to your needs - very rude peoples - keep the B12 up
Hi Mic - thank you for your interest in our prospective study on Lean Mass Hyper-Responders. To clarify your earlier statement on our cohort averaging younger - the baseline crude data I’ve presented on after Lundquist completed the first 100 scans of our participants: Male 60%, average age 55.3, years on keto 4.4, mean LDL-C 259.8 mg/dL. Lundquist is scheduled to present a comparison analysis next month, but they will be doing it against a matched control from Miami Heart, seeking to line up all demographics and risk factors as much as possible. In short, I’m confident they won’t be comparing a young group to an old one.
This Mic the Vegan guy is an attention seeker. What he basically does, finds highly watched videos and “debunks” them with “science”. However what he does is that he knows no one in his community will read or criticize these junk studies. When someone like Dave challenges him, he’ll go silent as he has no answer. It’s very hard to watch this guy, although I want to understand his arguments, his voice tone, attitude and general presentation is a 7yrs old with a beard
The Lion Diet is just beef, salt, and water and it is only a nickname for that way of eating. No one in the carnivore community ever said we should emulate lions in our eating habits apart from eating meat.
@@johnow7Lions don’t eat beef or salt. Find a new name for your stupid diet. You’re not a carnivore btw 🙃 Why not follow a primate/human species specific diet? Plants for thriving, meat for surviving. Or a diet with scientific evidence- Plants for thriving, meat for heart disease and cancer. 👍🏻
Yes, that I really don't understand. I can't imagine eating only meat for every meal every day. Unless you are desperate to use what ever diet to solve some severe health problems, why would you choose such a boring diet?
@@thatsalt1560 In my opinion there's a strong possibility its just a scam to get maximum profit. It does generate quite a bit of revenue because it's tantalizing and irresistible message to many.
You'd think you'd get bored of eating steak everyday. I thought the same...it makes sense, but 3 years in and I look forward to steak every day. In fact, I can't wait.@@thatsalt1560
@@thatsalt1560boring diet??? I can't imagine eating nothing but vegetables all day every day. Even when I was plant based, I had to mix all my vegetables and "health foods" into a smoothie just to choke it down. "Boring" felt pretty great after torturing my taste buds and giving myself arthritis for a year.
Mic you have not responded to any of my questions on LDL which means you dont know the answers 1) if i fast for 24 hrs, my LDL will go over 200, so is LDL the bad guy 2) if LDL is less than 1% of the materials found in plaques, why do we care about LDL as a valid biomarker? 3) the brain need cholesterol, so why do we need to have low cholesterol? 4) if the blood contains LDL all equal the body, why do we have blockages only around the large arteries not small vessels? This has been posted many times since the last 3 months But you continue to blame people for high LDL when you dont even know how lipids work Please answer or make a video so all the people can listen to these questions, thansk
They also need to supplement electrolytes, often they don't ingest enough omega 3 and 6 (even if they won't admit it cause seed oils tho) and let's not start with fiber
I'm not gonna change the minds of most here, but for the few questioning why, for example Bella is glowing and radiant and Mic here looks like most long term vegans, then go check out Prof. Bart Kay's take down of this vid. You want long term health, don't follow people who look like, well you know.
Oh honey, you're so naive. RU-vid creators are pumped with so much filler and Botox and, of course, good genetics along with good filters. I'm sorry you fell for it though
People in Hong Kong have the highest meat consumption per capita in the world and they live the longest. The current life expectancy for Hong Kong in 2023 is 85.29 years.
If that simple, then you'd expect the list of countries that eat the most meat to the least meat to mirror the list of countries from most long lived to least. They don't really. For example Japan is 3rd on the longevity list but quite a way down the most meat eaten list.
They have the lowest athletic achievements in China, both mainland and Taiwan. And they also combine that with a heap of soy and veggies in their meals for a balanced diet, so you can't just say it's the meat alone that is making them live longest. Truth be told thry have quite high diabetes rate and physical problems like obesity compared to the other parts of China.
Because the life expectancy rate takes a few decades to rise with meat consumption … If everyone in the US decided to start smoking tomorrow, it would take decades to see the outcomes of that. Most elders around the world ate less meat as children- but in the US, children are beginning to die younger than their parents because of decades of poor diet.
-UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
Another good video. BTW, I'd mention again as you did that both heart attacks and unstable angina cause cholesterol to decline so it's little surprise that people hospitalised with these conditions have 'low' levels of cholesterol on admission. The denialists constantly fail to mention this. Another point regarding all these bright, bubbly young people laughing off their high cholesterl levels is that it seems to be 'cholesterol years' that better predict risk than a single point cholesterol score. This is analogous to the pack years concept in cigarette smoking and risk. See eg the 2020 paper "Time course of LDL cholesterol exposure and cardiovascular disease event risk"
the "denialists" do mention it, you're just too blind to open your mind to the possibility that perhaps cholesterol is there for a purpose and not just to give us heart disease. 🙄
@itsmedante.5325 how funny that someone with zero scientific credentials (no RU-vid videos are not scientific credentials) says anything about denying science...
Low carbers' scientific claims have changed over the years. Atkins claimed that cholesterol numbers lowered on his diet. Then it went to, "carbs raises cholesterol." That didn't work, so they went to cholesterol levels, don't matter or that higher cholesterol is healthy and protective. If you've been around long enough, you see how these diets cycle in and out of popularity. Once they fade due to health problems and lack of science, another low-carb diet pops up with some minor differences but a lot of the same rhetoric. Mostly telling people what they want to hear about their bad habits.
Diets would lose out if they worked. There's a reason people struggle their whole lives with weight loss no matter how many diets they try. I tried a lot of things, they were not doable in the long run so I always failed sooner or later. Of course I did, it's all set up to make you feel like shit, look how much work you're putting in. And then you fail because the diet isn't providing anything for you and you just get more and more hungry as you crave things missing from your diet, because you're restricting to an extreme. It's ad how it's all stacked against you. The only thing that has helped me is intermittent fasting, read a book by Dr. Pelz, adapted it to a vegan diet, ben doing it for months now, not feeling hungry all the time,eating within a windo, it's slow progress as I've had to adjust it for my health situation, so I do eat some processed foods instead of whole as whole cause me symptoms. But i's something I will stick to for the rest of my life, I find i easy and effective.
@@Nikwunuyou missed the point. The science hasn't actually changed in regards to the low carb trend. The evidence wasn't on its side back then and still isn't. Thats the point.
@@itsmedante.5325 So you think that all these people with clogged arteries are eating veggies and fresh fruit for every meal despite the fact that Americans eat almost no produce? Dr.Gregor was correct when he called you carnivores the flat earthers of nutrition😂😂
My father did a stint in the arctic circle as a family medicine/ER doctor. He said that the people there had the highest lipoprotein levels that he'd ever seen. But, not one had CVD. Their diet consted of alcohol, carribou, seal meat/blubber, and fish.
@ScienceNow- Was it plants or antibiotics and vaccines that improved lifespans ? Turns out Whale skin is loaded with vitamin C so they didn't need plants to get it.
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) Outcome: The WFPB diet can be seen as an effective, safe option for weight loss and chronic disease risk and quality of life improvements. Key foods included whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented. The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication and blood glucose and their cholesterol dropped. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. The BROAD study, however, lasted only 3 months, yet the plant-based group not only lost significant weight, they kept it off. This study ran from August 2014 to 2015 and was extended to 2017.
What is not mentioned is her HDL is super high at 98. My LDL is 125 and HDL is 28, for example. Even though my LDL is low, but my HDL is super low which the doctor correctly pointed out was not healthy; I was actually advised to eat more salmon and fish.
HDL is not causal in preventing heart disease--that old idea got debunked about a decade ago, but more an more research proves that the higher your LDL and the longer it's high, the more plaque forms and the greater the risk of heart attacks.
Bella is living proof that being skinny is no guarantee of low LDL. If I only knew her LDL level but didn't know what she looked like, I'd assume that she weighed at least 400 pounds.
I'm overweight, but I've been vegan for many years, and even before going egan my bloods were always good. Been anemic a couple of times (only once since going vegan, several times before going vegan), but otherwise my blood tests were always in order. So weight doesn't determine these things. It can be a factor, it can signal bad diet. But doesn't always. I gained weight when I was dying in a hospital bed at age 7 with a heart condition reulting from strep throat. Was given literal handfuls of medication every day and was not allowed to leave the bed, because it could have been too much for my heart. Spent several months like that and gained weight super quickly. And have struggled for the rest of my life, having PCOS and fatigue, both of which work against me. Slowly losing now with intermittent fasting as it's the only thing that has helped me.
@kathleenphillips7145 you think that saturated fats end up in your arteries the same way they sit on your plate? Throught 1-3 ph acid in your stomach down your intestines throught a 1 cell thick intestinal wall then inside your blood then to the arteries and some it's knly at this point that it causes grief lmao hahahahaha
@@TheHestya you're overweight on a vegan diet??? wow!!!?? shocker!!!?? it's ALMOST AS IF eating plants-only and going against your biology isn't good for you. 🙄
Many humans have gone from "diet" to diet, finding what works. One thing that amazes me is several humans love consuming JUST animal stuff, they BRAG about how wonderful it is, somehow they do not get bored to death having only about 12 high fatty choices, and being very very constipated without fiber. I am not afraid of plants and I eat them as a longtime vegan.
@@rachelgoodkind6545of course eating animals is hard to get sick of because humans are biologically carnivores. it's vegans that are obsessed with recipes and meat imitations because they are never satisfied with what they are eating. they also fast because of the pain caused by eating fiber.
@@bazileia9222So a troll is someone who questions you? Makes sense that a vegan wouldn't want to have an actual conversation. Meat doesn't make you constipated.... I've had plenty of low/no veggie days and never got "constipated." Not even once in my life. On the flip side, it's all that fiber that clogs you up.... How many vegans complain of bathroom issues? Many of them. Then again, I'm ot a Carnivore.
iv been vegetarian, vegan for 8 years ive tried carvinore and fruit only, i drop too much weight on vegan and vegetarian, i started to get grey hair also im young, i use a rule i cannot suplement, this year i started eating fish, it was such a difference in energy and weight i eat meat now and chicken, right now im eating omnivore but i dont eat much pasta, rice or potatoes i try to eat whole foods that are very nutriferous, colorfull salads tasty fruits and good meat, i gained over 5 k of muscle, i feel more energetic and i crave less sweets and bs food, im eating about 150 gr of protein a day
Makes you question lots of doctors. Just because someone passed university classes doesn’t mean they’re smart. The amount of times I was told “oh your wrists hurt? Your back hurts? Eat meat!” Turns out I needed to stop using the smith machine at the gym for my wrists and started working on mobility and core stability for my back and now I’m fine 🤡
@@DanteLikesRock high amounts of Saturated fat has been shown in a huge amount of high quality studies to increase cholesterol and apoB. And high appB causes heart disease. It’s not even controversial, these are well documented facts. Check out the RU-vid channel “nutrition made simple” and his saturated fat or ApoB videos. He usually has at least 20-30 high quality studies linked as references and breaks them down
mic the vegan never miss an oportunity to say how low his ldl value and acused dr eckberg of purposly skiping the ldl value in a video. mic the vegan also skips his triglicerydes levels. triglicerydes over hdl ratio is five times more precise mesurement of heart desease then ldl levels.
@@chantalbaxter9126 "Standard American diet and vegan are near opposite ends of the spectrum" Not really. The SAD contains a lot of junk and this junk nowadays can easily bought 'veganized'! You can be vegan without eating any real fruit or vegetable ever!
Cultures that consume the most meat, such as the Masai, have the shortest lifespans. Cultures that are mostly plant based, such as the Okinawans, live the longest.
@@jenniferearl1170 that's not taking into account health care, lack of resources and access to adequate food and calories let alone genetic differences, third world conditions of famine and disease.
@NewlyAwakened Kings who ate meat abundantly died earlier than peasants, 7th day Adventists live longer than religions that allow meat, the 5 blue zones are mostly plant based. The variables you mentioned have been accounted for.
@@jenniferearl1170 the King's also sat on fat butts all day getting no sunlight and drinking copious alcohol and breathing in dank, dusty air filled with smoke. Again, not an apples to apples.
There is a channel i think its no carb life where he interviews hundreds of people who are carnivore mainly and the effect it has had on their life. Its a good mix of people of all ages not just young.
Ovadia won't change his stance because he's made it into his personality. He even got things explainted the way they are by Dr Gil from Nutrition Made Simple 🤷🏻♂️
They can't walk it back even if they know they're wrong so they have to keep doubling down. Eventually the Doctor will have a cardiac event himself but will blame it on genetics if he lives through it.
@@DanteLikesRock he has actual education in nutrition unlike the cardiologist. And everything he says in the interview with Ovadia is backed with studies, I don't see how you could say that, unless you're a conspiracist.
Cardiovascular surgeons are not the same as cardiologists - and as surgeons they are a lot less interested (and knowledgeable about) things like blood cholesterol levels...
Yes. These surgeons are closer to being mechanics than scientists. And that's no slight intended towards mechanics. It's just a different skill set and mental aptitude.
There are surgeon Doctors who do think about it but they don't have time to be on RU-vid talking about it. They're to busy putting in stents to repair the damage from poor life style choices. I've talked to many surgeons and Doctors and the majority of the ones I've met are health conscious. Some even intermittent fast and have gone vegan. The Doctors can't recommend these things since that is not what they do and it's not part of the standard medical practice play book. This Doctor is a rogue though I'm not sure why that is, he's definitely not someone I wouldn't trust for health advise though he may be a good surgeon.
That makes sense. I suppose a cardiac surgeon would love unhealthy diets. He needs to work, right? If we all were vegan, his job would be obsolete 🤷♀️
Do you ever keep up with the guy named Bart Kay who uses your videos to respond to you on RU-vid? ? It's hilarious. He did one on this episode called "Mike, the vegan vs steak and butter gal." I think you and your viewers would find it very funny.
@@itsmedante.5325 are you one of those people who will lie about anything to convince someone? Edit: nevermind, he'd been vegetarian for 20+ years before switching to vegan. So he had plenty of cholesterol clogging his arteries that he was unaware of before connecting the dots. Atkins was actually a conman who died as a direct result of the diet he was pushing. That's the point.
Both of my parents are on statins and low cholesterol diet. That's gotten my mother severe Alzheimer's and my dad a five-way bypass. So you can believe your eyes or not. Humans have been eating meat for a million years.
@@Sovvyy Looks like you're putting too much faith in these rubbish "studies". They're not science at all. They're epidemiology (bad quality epidemiology too). Pseudo-science of the highest order. Real science is performed under controlled conditions over an extended period of time. This has NEVER been done on humans as related to diet and health outcomes. Never. Plus, Bart Kay has debunked Mic here countless times.
It blows my mind how you have both vegan and carny cardiologists who do surgery and see the damage people do to themselves but reach different conclusion on the cause of heart disease in terms of diet. WTF.
Bias, ignorance, and greed tend to account for those who stray from scientifically backed consensus. Rarely are these individuals being ethical or intelligent when coming to their contradicting conclusions.
@@silentfriend369 I think the standard western diet can be as bad and most of the country eats it. I did for almost 5 decades before slightly high cholesterol spooked me into finding some diet to fix it: whole food-plant based worked to me.
Assuming this doctor 🤨 is on a carnivore diet, why do they usually look so waxy and puffy. He sort of looks like he had a stroke. He is dangerous to his patients! This carnivore diet is getting more and more ridiculous! Going to check out that scale, tx! 🌱 -What their colon must look like! Had my colonoscopy recently and it was clean, clean, clean! I am going to say being a veg head for 30 yrs contributed to that (vegetarian for 18 and vegan for 11yrs, so 29 yrs).
Not only that but how were these people healthy enough to reproduce and raise healthy children that went on to have their own healthy children? It's a huge mystery! OR... It's because red meat already contains everything we need to survive and thrive.
@@kilppa ....and if I'm having salacious thoughts about my neighbor across the street! The possibilities of our personal health data being tracked with this damn foot scale are utterly infinite.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320if it was natural the longest living communities wouldn't be vegan like the Adventist Vegetarians who are 90% vegan and have the longest healthiest lives
what a healthy man spreading his vegan propaganda! Looks like he needs some sleep though- and maybe some meat.... oh- nevermind! he's SO HEALTHY GUYS!!
@@GregDinAZ Here's a question for all the vegans out there, including this ghostly looking Mic up there in the video: Which animals get atherosclerosis? Is it the meat eating ones or the plant eating ones? This should give you people a clue on WHAT causes atherosclerosis hahahahah www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/ Now ask yourself what killed the body builders because it was NOT meat.
GUESS what..... remember you made a video about FiftyPlusBeauty who was eating Carnivore and got a stroke? well she just went plant based! check out her last video called "Heart Disease Reversal Diet - Did the Carnivore Diet Cause My Stroke?"
So what her LDL is high. All surviving centenarians have high LDL, it makes a strong immune system. She has oxidative phosphorelation running with her diet and high LDL is a must for her to have high energy levels.
The comment sections of large carnivore youtubers and smaller carnivore youtubers is so different. Comments on the smaller canivore videos are usually people saying how they're failing on the diet while on the larger ones all I see are like 2k thumbs up on comments about how someone has been doing the diet a month and their entire life is changed and they'll never eat any other way.
Exactly. Carnivore fans frequently bemoan the lack of peer reviewed studies on their odd diet. I heard a diet researcher say that he has tried to recruit carnivore dieters for studies, but his research needs close to a year to glean results. But so many people drop out due to problems or sheer boredom of nothing but meat. Then he’s left with too few people to achieve statistically significant conclusions. So he’s given up on future carnivore studies.
As a counter perspective, have you seen the comments on Mic's videos? There appears to be two extremes on both sides. I have looked through 5 videos, and in the comment sections on mics videos, there are not many critical comments, if any. What should be said in general, is that following any strict diet - that excludes things- many times, is not beneficial. It is very hard, even for a nutritionist, to know, when something important is being excluded - this goes for both vegan and carnivorous diets. If anything, a diversified diet should be promoted. And of course, fast foods and highly processed foods should be excluded - but to note, is that many people still rely on them (lack time, cheapest alternative, etc.), ergo, judgement should be passed accordingly.
I just eat it all!! I eat veg, fruit, plenty fibre,meat and a little butter, low GI, moderate carbs. Source of food is most important. No pesticides, herbicides, grass fed, free roaming pasture raised, well treated.
Dairy consumption increases breast cancer. Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.
Mick, you’re only lever that you can pull is that high LDL is bad. Everything else improves in terms of blood markers. Could it just be that high LDL in the context of Very Good triglycerides and HDL, is actually healthy for you? I think you have backed the wrong horse.
I remember an article in JAMA that listed the main risk factors for heart disease. Number one is type 2 diabetes, followed by hypertension and obesity. Cholesterol levels were only a minor factor.
People have been saying that there are "excess deaths" over the last few years, which began a couple of years before the pandemic. My guess is that these excess deaths are caused by the keto, low carb, carnivore, diets. Nobody is looking at diet as a cause, and very few want to admit the incredible harm these low carb fad diets are causing.
There could be two things, one is that overdose deaths are up. Another is that meat consumption rates are increasing, as far as I know, among the meat-eating population. And maybe a third one, just the decline of western society in general; there are lots of other things correlated, like infant mortality going up in the US for the first time in a long time, and the Flynn Effect (intergenerational IQ increase) seeming to be reversing itself for the first time since it started. I think the carnivore fad was relatively small back then, but definitely growing. Now it is quite large, not sure exactly how large though. I suspect it will take a while to start seeing the large-scale health impact of the fad. I don't know if we can believe everything they say, but multiple people claim to have been full carnivore for over a year with apparently no major adverse events. So maybe a few-year lag to see the impacts on a large scale
Americans have the lowest life expectancy of all developed nations. The USA is also the place where low carb and carnivore diets are rampant because people don't listen to health organisations or look at the totality of evidence. People blame gun deaths and overdoses etc, but I am pretty sure the fact that in America 1 out of 3 dies of heart attack while in most of Europe its 1 out of 4, has something to do with it also.
@@WinterGK humans weren't meant to have high carb diets. After the agricultural revolution forced 90%+ to eat mostly wheat, rice, and other high carb foods health in basically every way went down. I doubt low-carb is the real reason this has occurred. The absolutely horrendous state of the American and British food industry is more to blame, it doesn't matter what it was at the beginning once its been through the processing, meat or vegetable or anything else.
@@user-cx9nc4pj8w I mean, there are about 10,000 years between the agricultural revolution and the rise of "ultra-processed" foods. High-carb diets, outside a tiny number of exceptions, have always been the norm globally, even pre-agriculture. People today are much healthier in many respects that certain early Neolithic populations, and yet the food we eat is far more processed. The reason health declined was because of overreliance on a few staple crops, not a shift in macro ratios, which probably stayed pretty similar.
@@user-cx9nc4pj8w After the agricultural revolution life expectancy kept rising for decades. You're just following a narrative. We can look at what is actually killing people and ruining people's lives. 1 out of 3 is dying early from heart disease. We know what causes heart disease. Heart disease research: Most studies that compare replacing saturated fats with refined sugar don't help much. So yeah, sugar is not good food. Don't let people trick you by using "carbohydrates" as a blanket term All studies that replace saturated fats with Polyunsaturated fat, Mufa or whole grains, show a significant reduction. Cancer: Vegans, Vegetarians and people on plant based diets reduce the risk of cancer compared to high meat diets. Diabetes: Vegans have close to a 90% reduction according to many studies. We need to look at what is killing us and how to fix it. Formulating alternative theories is not helping.
Have you ever asked yourself why Americans in the early 1800's had the least amount of heart disease in American history, "in spite" of being the same timeframe that Americans ate the most meat? Or that in the past 90 years since we have been consistently been eating less and less meat statistically as a society and we have more and more heart disease? Is it just a coincidence that our processed carb and sugar intake has skyrocketed at the same time?
Have you considered the factor "palm oil + coconut oil"? I also doubt that Americans ate more fat in total back in the day. Or that they were moving less. Or eating less fiber. I don't know about smoking though. How is the history on that? Of course refined carbs, especially free sugar, is bad for you anyway. Mic never claimed the opposite.
@@nehalilisays My point is simply that it ain't the meat, we eat less meat now and have way more problems with heart disease and loads of other things. Personally I think it is the highly processed seed oils and highly processed sugars, and then other nonsense things like dyes, artificial and "natural" flavors etc. In other words, it ain't a plants vs meat and eggs debate, it's a whole foods vs junk foods debate
@@nehalilisays ps, when it comes to the fats, the average American family in the 1800's had one head of cattle, usually for milk. With all the meat they were eating, a lot of people were not prone to waste much, meaning they would eat the brains, the heart, the kidneys, and the sweetbreads, and the testicles, which are particularly fatty organs. They would also eat the skins and the bone marrow, and any cut off fat would be rendered to lard or tallow for cooking. They also ate a lot of eggs in those days. So they definitely had a fair amount of animal fat in their diet. As far as coconut and palm oil, those things were certainly available in Florida, southern California, and Hawaii, and palm perhaps also in southern Arizona. But until the invention of the train and the railroads, no one outside of area those trees grow would uave had access to those particular oils. And I am particularly talking about the early 1800's before the train.
Since I've been vegetarian, I've seen people do Atkins and fail, Paleo and fail, Keto and fail. Carnivore is the latest low carb trend and people will inevitably fail.
It's a bad message, but the standard western diet does the same, and by far the most people in the country eat it. I did for almost 5 decades but I fixed it.
So much hate from plant based eaters here. I used to be WFPB for many years, and I didn’t look down on meat eaters, as I was WFPB for health reasons. Now, I’m mostly carnivore, and my health is improving, and I don’t look down on plant based eaters-the kind ones that is. Most of us into these types of diets are just trying our best to be healthy. Try not to be so judgmental. ❤
This is kind of an ignorant comment to make, as the reason people go vegan is most of the time an ethical one. You're essentially telling people to not judge people that are doing things they consider highly unethical. You might as well ask a feminist to just let politicians who want to revoke women's voting rights live their life the way they want to without being so judgmental towards them. It's completely natural and acceptable to be judgmental when it comes to ethics and morals. If people weren't judgmental about morals, we'd just sit down and accept it when someone does something we consider highly immoral. Obviously that's not how anyone wants a society to work. Being judgmental towards someone who finds it acceptable to spank toddlers is a good thing, it means we write laws and take action to prevent that physical violence towards toddlers. Sure, it isn't fun to be on the receiving end of that judgment, especially if you're the one with the less harmful morals, but when we live in a society with lots of people we have to accept that sometimes we have to judge each other if we want to move towards a better future. Because nobody believes themselves to be immoral, most people think they're living life in an acceptable way. So if they're never judged for their morals, how will they ever reflect on them? We need to judge the child abusers to stop child abuse, even if that feels unfair, uncomfortable and just plain ridiculous to the child abusers. After all, they've lived their life that way since birth, their own parents lived life that way, everyone they know lived life that way, so it's just plain ridiculous to suggest there's anything wrong with spanking their toddler. Eating meat and child abuse are not the same thing, obviously, but the point is that this is a moral question and when it comes to morals we have to be judgy if we want to live in a moral society. If it turns out that this thing we've been conditioned to believe is perfectly fine and moral is actually highly immoral and harmful, one of the best things that can happen is that people start being judgmental about people doing that thing. Obviously it will happen that the wrong people are judged for their morals, but that's just the unfortunate cost of progress. Trial and error is essential if you want meaningful change, and so if vegans are wrong to judge meat eaters, then let them erroneously judge meat eaters and accept it as part of how society works.
@@realmarsastro I’m sorry I cannot read all of your comment (that you immediately gave a thumbs up to after posting), but I read the first few sentences. Nowhere in my comment did I say the word _vegan…_ It’s actually, well, sorry to be rude, but to use your word, it’s “ignorant,” to assume all WFPB people are vegans... I myself was never vegan…. I was WFPB for health reasons. Had I said vegan, then yes, you have a valid point about ethics. :) I personally have never thought it was wrong to eat an animal, but it does need to be done in a way that is humane-not that I want to get into that here with you-your first few sentences pushed me away instead of encouraging a friendly debate (which is why I won’t read your long comment), so this conversation will have to end. :)
Should we be not so judgmental with child abusers , mass killers , rapeists ? You are contributing to horrendous animal cruelty . You are killing more animals in one week than all men killed in all wars that ever existed . Vegans hate this , you don't it seems ?
@@PeaceIsYeshuaHow do you humanly raise 100 billion land animals and 2 trillion aquatic animals annually ? How would that look like in your scenario ? How can you combodify a some one and call it humane ? Are slaves humanly owned ?
@@julienfroidevaux1143 Oh hey, Julien! We run into each other everywhere! 🤪 All good questions, but did you know that thousands of animals are killed when their land is demolished for raising crops? I guess there’s no perfect solution. :( It’s such a convoluted answer, and I’m sorry, but I just don’t desire to take the time to debate that here (like you, I also work part-time from home, but I keep busy in my spare time!). Anthony Chaffee has a lot of great info on what you’re asking if interested. I hope things are going well for you! ❤️
It's a diet, not a religion. You're talking about Jainism. Veganism applies to your current diet, doesn't care about mistakes you've made in the past. What about your past life eh? Never killed an animal? Don't be ridiculous.
You've got to have a huge safety net to be eating this way. Me I've got two dead parents from stroke. No way Im going bankrupt trying to pay back hospital. This way of eating highly subsidized. Just shows what Billion Dollar Industries want you to eat in order to keep their pockets flush with cash.
To all the vegans out there. Did you never ask yourself why so many carnivores are former vegans? Why they talk about how they wrecked their health with "healthy veganism and now have to heal their sicknesses with carnivore. Mic here looks very sick to me, his eyes are red and swollen, his hair is always fetty, bad posture and a general sick impression.
@dyldabeast9176 comparing smoking to our species-appropriate diet that we've evolved on for millions of years??!🙄 are you serious!🙄 these vegans. SMH.🙄
Right, right and right! She is so young and our young bodies have an amazing ability to compensate for things like smoking, drinking and carnivore. EVENTUALLY all those things catch up with you.
@@carlvanmeerbeek7327 I have learned that the largest (not emotional) cause of erectile dysfunction is the clogging of the penile arteries by saturated fats, typical in animal "products". It is directly related to heart disease. Here is some info: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mQuJxN9uP7w.html have a great day
Mic, what about doing a video on the 2021 Harvard carnivore diet study titled "Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”?
@@itsmedante.5325 yes definitely, malaria needs cholesterol to thrive so no surprise some of us end up with susceptibility. Wish there could be a better discussion about cholesterol but probably not possible these days 😕
@@nooooobingo I was hinting at the fact that high cholesterol is perfectly fine. I suggest to learn from neuroscientist Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay.
wow. you're finally starting to see the red flags of Mic here! don't worry, once you see professor Bart Kay completely debunk him, you won't be able to unsee it.
@@DanteLikesRock do you have a reading issue or something besides being functional illiterate? OP literally starts this thread by saying that:" all I ever got from the carnivore diet was constipation"
It's always the case with quack science, they find the one scientist/doctor in a million that go their way and ignore the 99.999% scientists/doctors that say otherwise.
Suspicious her cholesterol was 175 as a vegan.... I'm far from a whole foods vegan and my cholesterol is under 100... Most likely she was not actually following a vegan diet at all.
it's laughable the extents you vegans go to try rationalize your nonsense diet. There are many whole food vegans who have high cholesterol. That itself shows that the vegan diet is useless, even by your own definition of "LDL bad". Vegans debunked by themselves once again!
I believe it's very possible as a junk food vegan. There's a wide variety of health levels among plant-exclusive diets, mainly because of the heavily processed foods readily available. I personally stick to whole food-plant based but I have slightly high blood pressure, possibly due to high sodium intake, which I am carefully measuring now. It's easy for some people to let it get out of control.
what are your trigs ?? the calculated LDL - thats right calculated LDL (Friedewalt Equation) goes lower with high trigs and higher with lower trigs so vegan LDL 81 trigs 97 carni LDL 264 trigs 15 - Are high trigs good ?? - "High triglycerides can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease, including stroke, heart attack and heart disease. A high triglyceride level is one of the signs of metabolic syndrome. This is a collection of health conditions that increase your risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes. (Health Direct)" So what are your trigs !! - talk to your doctor if concerned
Could it be, as a businessman, that cardiologist is happy to encourage people to become his future customer? If everyone "went vegan" a lot of doctors would start going out of business as their entire business model is based on "sick care" instead of actual "health care..."
@@DanteLikesRock Not at all... America's "Sick Care" is incentivized to addict its "customers" on any and every pill they can patent. When the doctor asks why you didn't buy & fill the prescription he/she gave you, it's because the pharmaceutical companies give a small commission to the doctor. That's how they know.
22 sets of twins tried both vegan and meat diets. Researchers at Stanford University studied the twins' cardiovascular health. After eight weeks following their respective diets, the twin siblings who ate a vegan diet had lost more weight, reduced their LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, and experienced lower insulin levels, according to the study's findings. "The findings from this trial suggest that a healthy plant-based diet offers a significant protective cardiometabolic advantage compared with a healthy omnivorous diet," the study's authors wrote. The study, published Nov. 30 in the journal JAMA Network Open.
The Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio is a risk marker for Metabolic Syndrome and Cardiovascular Disease, and a ratio greater than 2.5 is an independent predictor of long-term all-cause mortality. A ratio less than 1.0 is considered ideal. The Steak and Butter Gal has a Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio of 0.15. Try addressing that.
@@kegeshook1734 I will not try to address the anecdotal case you presented. It does not have much scientific weight because it is not a peer reviewed randomized study. I can tell you all kinds of curious case histories, but they don't hold true when scrutinized by the scientific method.
@@kegeshook1734 UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
@@georgewilson7808 Anecdotal case? I never presented it. Mic the Vegan did. From what I've seen, low Trig/HDL-C ratio is common for those on carnivore and Keto diets.
@@georgewilson7808 I'd have to see the particular UK BIOBANK STUDY before offering any comment on it. High total cholesterol is not a bad thing when high HDL-C is part of that total, in conjunction with low level of triglycerides. High level of LDL-C is not necessarily bad. Constipation is not a complaint of those on carnivore and keto. Smelly breath is only a problem in the first week or so of being in ketosis. Keto breath is not permanent. Pretend Herbivores have long lasting issues of emanating bad smells.
that's definitely the image of masculinity that men want to be known for.🙄 im sure most women would confuse Mic for their gay best friend. (hint: maybe it's his diet??? 🤔🤯)
Nearly every vegan profiting from pushing extreme diets on RU-vid has either quit or died from the lack of animal products. Wild to see you still hanging in there. Even if it takes denial of medical advice from professionals. Balanced diet for the win
@LelandReview she had an eating disorder and was raw vegan. Surely, an extreme form of veganism is not representing all forms of veganism, especially for the Whole Food Plant Based...
are you ever going to make a response to professor Bart Kays thorough debunking of you? or are you going to continue leading your audience to their pale, ghostly doom.
