'Is this safe?! Carnivore Diet 4-Month Bloodwork Results' Response 

It can be, but tbh what else are people to do, the average doctor doesn't know any better? The problem is that these people just stopped doing their own research as soon as they found something they liked. I too did my own research trying to cure my husbands diabetic type 2 and after a lot of wading through bullshit i eventually ended up at dr. mc Dougall, dr. Esselstyn and dr. Bulsiewicz. So the problem isn't that they did their own research but that they didn't do enough research. The truth is out there! as Mulder would say...

See also medical advice from a chiropractor on RU-vid 😆

that's exactly it !

@@11235Aodh The issue is the vast majority of people lack the skills required to interpret studies. If you don't understand the technical details, the meaning is lost. Researching information provided by specialists/hospitals for patients can help, but reading studies is mostly just a game of confirmation bias. You could technically teach yourself, but it's going to take years.

Faaaaaaaaacts!

That’s interesting - I never knew that. I wonder why that is.

Probably because the body takes free cholesterol circulating in the bloodstream to manufacture new cells and repair damaged tissue. Cholesterol also goes down when we have infections like influenza and hepatitis. Presumably because the body uses that free cholesterol to create antibodies etc. It is, I assume, more efficient and quicker than synthesising cholesterol from scratch.

Makes sense as so many cells have been damaged through oxygen deprivation that materials will need to be sequestered to make new cells during mitosis. Good point.

that is correct. In fact, almost any illness will cause cholestrol level to drop. It's one reason why Eskimos who eat raw animal organs have a lower cholestrol than expected because eating raw organs means they're chronically infected with microbes. For this reason, when looking at epedimiological studies about cholestrol and mortality, it's important to note the age groups, because "old people" and "sick people" will skew the data (in favor of cholestrol) making one thinks that cholestrol is not important in mortality. ...But, do you really want to achieve low cholestrol by getting sick all the time? An alcholic also tends to have low cholestrol too, but do you want to be an alcoholic for that?

@@tomgoff7887 I thought it was partly to do with people who have had heart attacks were generally in poor health in the run up to it & have other health issues including cancer & liver damage, perhaps barely eating in the days/weeks leading up to it, last ditch attempt to change their ways after the warning signs.

Hey, Cait. Usually Mic links those aforementioned studies. Must’ve forgotten this time. Anyway, you can find them online too and check them with Patrick. A low carb/keto/carnivore diet is the worst thing you can do to yourself, the planet and the animals. Do some more, better research and you’ll soon move on from that FAD. 😊

Cait... don't fall for it. watch professor Bart Kay.

@@itsmedante.5325 “Dr”. Bart Kay?! Who is nothing but a 🤡 with no nutrition knowledge whatsoever?! That doesn’t cite any studies and it was debunked countless times?! 🤦🏼‍♂️ Here’s just one of them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kO71gOwkWgA.htmlsi=_IrdvbR-MM73MMxK Cait, just look at ACTUAL science and not these so called “experts”. Their opinion is just that: an opinion!! No rigorous science but an anecdote. Wish you well.

@@itsmedante.5325 You must be kidding, he's a lunatic.

"And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full." Just pointing out that plants contain protein. Example, broccoli 8 gr protein/100 calories vs beef 11 gr protein/100 calories.

feel like he is killing himself? No doubt about it! Less Filling Tastes Great!

My cousin did the same thing many years ago. He went full carnivore a few months after I went Vegan. We both were losing weight, but only one of us was able to maintain the diet. He lasted about 3 years, and did lose weight significantly. However, he wasn’t able to keep it going. Was having significant stomach issues, and constipation! The weight came back like a vengeance. Now almost 15 years later, I’m about 150lbs. Him at the same height is almost 300lbs. I rest my case. Screwed up his marriage though, and she was a good woman.

It's pure ego, sorry to hear. I have fam that all do similar in other ways

@@Mattycakes1 I wish he would then that would mean he’s following a good channel! But unfortunately his opinion of veganism is that it’s ridiculous. And the sad thing is my uncle his dad has Parkinson’s disease. I wish they’d just listen to a little bit of what science on the subject of eating plant based can do for you.

@@hardcoreherbivore4730 it’s very sad to watch someone you love do this to their body. I noticed a significant change in my cousin’s attitude as well. He’s more angry and defensive and his skin looks awful.

love it

😍 😊

but likes to promote BS!

@@user-fe5lr9zt3y ah fat meat eaters justifying their favorite food. its all fun and games until yer chest gets cracked open son

They eat a plant/grain based diet with some factory meat, any ‘diet’is better

People believe what they want to; high LDL is not dangerous, the election was stolen, Israel wants peace...

About 695,000 people in the United States died from heart disease in 2021-1 in every five deaths. Yet all conventional medicine fingers continue to point to LDL being the culprit. This hypothesis seems so weak that even Harvard acknowledges: “Yet, research has shown that about 75% of heart attack sufferers do not have dangerously high LDL levels.” So, if that is the case, why is the AHA still supporting the same worthless dietary guidance? Well, maybe they’re changing their minds on the DL…. Following the money… In 2018-2019, the AHA received 45 million dollars from Pharmaceutical and Biotech Companies, Medical Device Manufacturers and Health Insurance Providers* AHA may have incentives to help these companies make money by inventing medical devices, medications, etc. Healthy people don’t need those interventions, and they don't make the medical industry or pharma money. So what is the science telling us? LDL is present in arterial plaquing, but it’s not the direct cause of why it’s there. LDL has many vital functions: Helps your body make cell membranes and is a large component in nerve cells Essential for creating sex hormones (estrogen, testosterone) Vitamin D synthesis Bile acid synthesis Antioxidant-like properties* Similar to firemen being present at a fire, they did not cause the fire and they are there for damage control. LDL can be viewed the same way. Further, it is not the amount of LDL that seems to be the issue, but the type of subclass LDL. LDL consists of three sub classes - A, B, and I. The study found that having LDL made up of 60% A and 20% each of I and B was associated with the least damage to blood vessels, while having a high proportion of B compared with the other two sub classes was associated with the most damage. It’s my opinion that the AHA should have a big asterisk next to their public dietary fat recommendations to be more transparent about how their recommendations are, in fact, inconclusive.

if anything it's scary how this vegan nonsense propaganda spreads. meat/animal fat/cholesterol is NOT CAUSAL to heart disease. End of story.

Are they carnivore or SAD

This is true, but they did stop searching for the truth at a comfortable point, because today with the internet (and also people that are native English and thus can access everything on the net). You can find the truth if you dig long enough and end up here, or with dr. Mc Dougall, or dr. Esselstyn or dr. Ornish or dr. Peter Rogers. There is SO MUCH information out there that carnivore isn't healthy and even more information on how it's completely destructive to our planet due to habitat loss and mass animal extinction that i have a hard time dealing with this excuse.

@@Sweeney-nn2hythe mistake is “listening” as you say, as your primary source. You need to stop listening to people on the internet, and start digging into the studies yourself. Nothing wrong with watching a few videos to start your research, but you need to confirm what you’re hearing by looking at the studies, and learning how to read them properly and check biases etc

@@Sweeney-nn2hy You can always fact check what people are saying, when a doctor says something i haven't heard of i google it and see what that comes up with and how and if it agrees. Or what I've also had happen is dr. mc Dougall saying something and then later in one of dr. Peter Rogers biochemistry videos he's explaining how that what dr. mcDougall said works in practice on cellular level completely independently. Besides it helps to see first hand how low fat plant exclusive is helping my husband ditch his bloodpressure and diabetes meds.

@@Sweeney-nn2hy I watch plenty of youtube videos on nutrition and health, and some youtubers I trust more than others (e.g. NutrionMadeSimple), but when I need to know what the current best information on a topic is (e.g., one of my kids is having a medical problem), I read actual scientific studies, which can be found on PubMed for instance. Can we know that scientific studies are accurate? To begin, we need to be looking at the totality of the evidence, not a single studies. And there are many questions that there is only low-quality evidence on at this point. But for some questions, there are enough good quality studies supporting each other's conclusions, that we can have enough confidence in their claims to use them as the basis of health choices. For a variety of reasons, scientific papers can come to false conclusions, but that does not imply scientific studies are useless or that there is no way to evaluate the extent to which their conclusions should be relied upon.

​@@Sweeney-nn2hyAnd the 50 year smoker in amazing health? There are outliers. One thing to consider is common sense. We're not obligate carnivores, so the idea that a carnivore diet would be optimal for humans makes no sense. A neighbor's boyfriend dropped dead of a heart attack yesterday. Sadly with these LDL deniers, they die suddenly and everyone else is left to deal with the aftermath.

Yes being a vegan takes it's toll.

@@smurfvolvo it's lowcarb that shortens your life

@@travisporco how? explain if you think you know so much.

@@DanteLikesRock low carb diets are linked to higher mortality, several studies, including the one that made Mercola change his mind. For example.

@@travisporco LOL. clueless. Low-carb diets lead to perfect health markers across the human body. carbs lead to 99% of modern diseases: - diabetes (literally high blood sugar is the definition of diabetes) - obesity (carbs turn to fat in the liver) - tooth decay - CANCER. (learn something from Thomas Seyfried) - heart Disease/stroke (activation of the Randle Cycle) inform yourself better next time.

Confirmation bias?

Many of them are probably functionally illiterate. They have a hard time understanding basic sentences but think they can understand these studies.

She probably didn't read it/doesn't know how to read studies and quoted and took the info straight from the cholesterol promoting cults. 🤔

Short attention spans means many people just read the headline of a study and form their own conclusions, rather than reading the entire paper or even the conclusions in the abstract.

@@broddrYep. Intellectually lazy as fuck.

Just like the short term of effects of another radical diet... I just can't help to remmember the name...🤔🤔🤔😅

@@gryphoncroatyup so radical all the places that have the oldest living people with no alzheimer's or dementia share it!

The problem also is that the online community spouts nonsense that bears any resemblance to actual scientific fact. It's like watching a slow mass suicide 😢

if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology, then you'd realize that carnivore is the best way to go. this coming from a former vegan.

Just gotta keep studying microbiology 🤷🎃👻

The carnivore and low carb dieters are really very misled, and it's sad, but Darwin won't "get them."" Charles Darwin hated "social Darwinism" and vehemently opposed his theories being misapplied to humans or our social structure. The idea of social Darwinism is used for racism, sexism, and as an excuse for not helping people who are below average in intelligence, or who have physical disabilities. I'm not trying to be mean or single you out. Many people joke about this topic, and there's even the Darwin Awards, which Charles Darwin would be appalled by were he alive. I'm always surprised at how pervasive social darwinism is and how most people who subscribe to it have no idea that Charles Darwin hated this misapplication of his theory. It's clear that this carnivore diet couple is doing something stupid, and it may, in fact, shorten their lives, but Darwinism doesn't apply to them. For one, while intelligence level is somewhat inherited, being on a carnivore diet is not genetic, so it can't be passed on to offspring. More importantly, Darwin's theory has to do with (mostly) physical characteristics that offer some advantage to overall survival of the species as a whole. If one single member of a species is very dumb, then yes, that individual might be left to die or simply won't be assisted or mated with if it is a crocodile or a hippo or something, but humans don't abandon people with lower levels of intelligence (for the most part). We have a social structure and higher minded ideals as well as love and a sense of community that makes us help those who are not as fortunate in some way. Sorry for the length. I do get what you mean, but I wish more people knew about the dark history of social darwinism and why it isn't part of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

Yeah because darwinian evolution involved avoiding animal products 😂

indeed he will.👍🏻😋🥩🥩🥩

- what meat did she eat? bacon?? - did she include other animal products like milk? - was she truly 100% carnivore over those 6 months? how did you know? - what was her diet like before she started carnivore? you mentioned she was overweight to begin with. why is that?

also, what kind of "bowel obstruction" was this? a tumour?

@@DanteLikesRock pot roast, but I think she had some bacon too occasionally. I think she had half n half in her coffee. I believe she ate a few macadamia nuts. Her diet before was an omnivore diet. I don’t thin it was a tumor. She was constipated toward the end.

@@sidilicious11 how much fatty meat did she eat? was she one of those that preferred leaner meats like chicken?

Sorry for your lost She started the Carnivore diet at age 93, but at what age did she pass away if you don’t mind my asking?

LDL is NOT causal. False. It has never once been proven to be causal in a controlled lab environment. and ApoB is completely irrelevant.

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023

Apo-B = completely irrelevant.

vegan diet is for misinformed and brain dead!

Lol and now your in this cult.... You seem gullible

And I hate to say it but if they lost weight on the carnivore how enormous were they before because they sure aren’t at a good body weight . Plus maybe they feel ok now but they are super young . I guess what Covid didn’t wipe out stupidity will . Carnivore diet fans good luck reaching a few more decades . I literally have family AND friends ( yep drink with a 96 year old guy at the pub ) who aren’t that age and active by eating meat . Actually show me one single person in their 90s who is vibrant and active who is carnivore ….and has been more decades

plant chomper and Mic.... two of the biggest frauds out there.

Have you seen lifting vegan logics latest vids?? 😂

@ejRecording no I havnt, I'll have to check it out lol

@@ejRecording These are great!

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡

They literally think apples and kale are killing us but eating 3 steaks a day is healthy. It is BEYOND madness.

@@mp48930 Good point, i was wrong to say the whole thing is totally nuts, the whole thing is totally steaks.

@@N330AA😂staaaap

@@mp48930 Yup and even obligatory meat eaters like lions are more prone to cancer than herbivorous animals.

And then their followers will blame the vaccine. That’s what all the comments were on the video of the carnivore woman who had a stroke 🤦🏻

Then she'll Google "heart attack isn't bad" and will find what she's looking for to feel better about it.

straw-man.

that's all you vegans can do, give straw-mans and avoid actual scientific discussion.

@@itsmedante.5325 Says the guy who follows Bart Kay 🤣🤣🤣

Tell him to fuck off with the laxatives and just drink more water..

tell him to stop eating processed junk carbs and eat only meat. watch his health improve.

So he’s pretty much not carnivore then if he’s eating chips. Not even close to carnivore.

well if meat is the only thing he eats besides the once a day snack i'd say its pretty damn close. i don't think it makes much of a difference.

His diet is actually worse than yours, even though you’re probably vegan. Nobody listens to me anymore. But that’s ok. I can watch idiotic people suffer. I’m tired of helping those who will crumble without my presence. Rather, I prefer to hear them weep. “Laurajj” do not reply to this comment for your own sake. You already know the truth. I’m not gonna say it. Everyone knows what the truth is, deep down. But it takes a strong person to truly face the authentic version of them. This is the hardest battle you will ever fight in your entire life, and I shall not interject. I’m just here to remind you that the battle is still going on. Open wide, Ms. Laurajj, It’s time to Roar.

And what are your triglycerides?

@@Manskeeeee 81 :)

learn a thing or 2 about LDL from Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay... for your own sake.

@@itsmedante.5325 I'll check them out

@@itsmedante.5325 So far I've just seen a lot of claims from them without any good science to back them up, I'll keep looking through their vids but for now I'll stick with the tried and true science, for my own sake :)

Happy for you ! Keep spreading the good plant based word!

His eyes look the same as years ago and sunken eyes are not only caused by lack of nutrition.

hahah- he looks like a corpse💀 lol.

@@Sweeney-nn2hy Carnivore people are barely surviving, not thriving. They are so sick they can only eat the most extreme elimination diet. There will never be a life long human carnivore centenarian. Long term carnivores would need a whole lot more supplements than vegans do, and still be worse off. As far as the medical business, what does that have to do with this? Are they making money off of whole plant foods? Quite the opposite, they make money off sick people who stuffed themselves with fattening foods and fiberless animal products that gave them diabetes and heart disease. I go to research studies and thousands of years of experience.

They give a table for healthy cholesterol level by age and sex. Higher number for men, and higher numbers as age increases.

@@perfecttenk8744 But the evidence is clear that the bottom of the "normal" LDL range is too high.

Yes, well 'normal' doesn't mean 'optimal' it just means 'average'.

Many of those carnivore are doctors. Some people don't want to be educated.

Its sad but people skip that class cause its always an easy A 💀

don't count on it. School lunch programs are hijacked by the fast food delivery.

I also heard that doctors just don't advise this because "people won't do it anyways".. which is just insane to me tbh

"healthy plant based diet" false statement. no such thing.

@@itsmedante.5325 Sorry, but my husband ditching his diabetes t2 meds for 80% and his bloodpressure meds 100% plus gaining back his virility at 53 is enough proof in the pudding for me.

​@@itsmedante.5325robot

yes,bullshit research!

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023

Wrong.

Yes 😂😂😂

Oh it’s easy. Some areas of science have been heavily corrupted by politics, special interests, etc. And so your average Joe might know just enough (or maybe just suspect) that if the “experts” are wrong, or lying, in one field, they’re probably lying in others. And so they venture out onto the internet looking for alternative voices. I just wish they went a little bit further and taught themselves how to read scientific studies, and to read a lot of them, so they can at least not be so easily manipulated by snakeoil salesmen or wild shirtless chiropractor “doctors” living in Costa Rica.

Delusional thinking.

I do not get how you vegans can't see the truth and see past Mic's awful excuses for evidence.

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡

I can say the exact same thing for vegans, there is no science to support their claims whatsoever. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.

Solo plant proteins are amino acids, is the components the animal protein breaks down to after were done breaking it apart? it's like saying individual lego pieces are worthless only the lego house is ok, but only the red one!

@@11235Aodh Furthermore, the body recycles about 90g of amino acids back into our gut every day to be reabsorbed, as I posted in reply, but they are attacking me as an idiot. I want Mic to obliterate their arguments in a video.

@@elephantintheroom5678 I'd like to see that too.

thomas deLiar has been debunked many times as being a clueless internet marketer.

.... And your watching this site lol....

What does that mean?

If you're talking about RU-vid, the problem isn't me, it's the policies they have for getting more views that keep recommending similar content so they get profits of ads, irrespective of if those policies lead to radicalization of an individual who doesn't do enough research or is constantly aware of their conscious biases. Either way, that is part of the system.

It means Mic the Vegan is the biggest source of misinformation I've ever seen. The guy is not trained clinically, he has no idea how to use a graph. He misreads studies constantly, makes generalized statements as if they are specific, specific statements as if they are generalized, and constantly states his opinion as fact. He's a bonafide idiot.@@NiranjhanaNarayanan

It would be worse if misinformation was regulated though. Then the government gets to decide what is right and what is wrong and that would not be good..

how is it hard to see that eating the way humans have for 4.5 million years is healthy? the appeal of a carnivore diet is because it is literally encoded for in our evolutionary biology. fiber you say? one big myth. we don't need fiber. fiber is INDIGESTIBLE by the human colon. that alone should tell you something. I suggest you learn more. watch Bart Kay. get enlightened. this coming from a former vegan.

the appeal is simply eating a species-specific diet for humans.

and what is your fasting blood sugar?

@@DanteLikesRock glucose is 83.8 (mg/dl) with ~12 hours from last meal

Your total cholesterol is 112? That is NOT good.

​@@residentjess Elaborate. HDL, LDL, and Triglicerides are very optimal, and it (by definition) results in low total cholesterol.

@@konhi-xz5zv cholesterol isn't in your body to be super low. hate to break it to you, but it's there for a purpose surprisingly. i know right, shocking to think that our bodies would do anything for any good reason.

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023

so what.

@@Enhancedgenetics yes, whats your point? sugars in excess are also bad.

false. carnivore is not pseudo science. far from it. if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology you'd know this.

​@@DanteLikesRock So carnivore is based on a naturalistic fallacy with little knowledge of anthropology to begin with. Got it.

​​@@DanteLikesRockdid u even watch the video bro? Or are u too stuck up and brainwashed? Every study out there clearly states that carnivore diets are unhealthy

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos got nothing is more like it. carnivore is based on our species-specific way of eating. that is meat. not fruit nor starchy vegetables, those were invented not more than 200 years ago. humans have existed for 350,000 years. not grains of any kind. that was invented around 10,000 years ago. a blink of an eye when compared to our entire existence as a human race.

@@DanteLikesRock So it's a naturalistic fallacy. Instead of outcome data you speculate on how evolution works. Ignoring that evolution does not even try to optimise longevity or health but would trade any of it against short-term advances in evolutionary fitness. Long-term health especially is even something evolution optimises against (that's the reason non-external death is common among almost all species). Even if I ignore the strange beliefs about anthropology and accept that as true, I could just extrapolate from there that meat is likely harmful for long-term health because evolution has had a long time to find ways to get short-term advantages by sacrificing long-term health. And that extrapolation would be more informed on how evolution works and what its objective function is. Instead of story-telling I look at data. For example figure 2 in _Food groups and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies._ Story-telling is like theoretical physics just a model. Models have to be tested against real world data. That's where the predictive power (see statistical learning theory in mathematics) comes from.

brainwashing.👍🏻

@radovan739Uh, bullshit is an animal product so it's better suited for carnivores.

@radovan739 All studies show that seed oils are protective compared to any saturated fat source like butter, I just did my research and will stop buying any saturated fat food, thank you

He had absolutely no idea what he's talking about. His understanding of science is laughable at best. Completely dangerous at worst

None or most of his videos are pure bullshit based on "not knowing and misinformation"!

ApoB and LDL are irrelavent to CVD outcomes.

​@@DanteLikesRocklol

@@seodreamteam I know right? it's extremely hilarious knowing that vegans put themselves at risk and are so clueless on the actual data.

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023

*myocardial infarction if you were wondering- this comment is witty, I like it 😂😂😂

Yeah surprised he didn't mention low LDL-C was common post MI as he criticised this couple. I thought that was fairly common knowledge.

are they pure carnivore? or eating carbs along with meat? because then that is not carnivore.

too bad AIDS isn't part of our human evolution.

Eggs and Steak, so extreme.

@@andreimaxwell4455agreed

no he is not, yes if you believe in bullshit!

Dis information more like it.

Its all in the eyes as RZA said

he's confused at best, charlatan at worst.

get some real information instead following bullshiter?

now you tell me smart guy, how are they endangering themselves? because i can assure you, carnivore is way healthier than vegan.

@@DanteLikesRock Sure bro, somehow I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about, since you didn't even watch the video full of studies that disprove you.

@@somedudeok1451 Lol. "studies". stop putting so much faith in zero-sense articles written by payed-off writers. anybody who knows anything about science will know that you can get a study to show ANYTHING you want. it's really not that hard to skew statistics.

@@itsmedante.5325 You didn't check who wrote these studies and you didn't check if the conclusions make sense or not. You're just falling back on anti-science rethoric you've heard without understanding it. You also don't have any solutions, except believe the pro-meat voices you choose to believe and "do your own research", which as a layman often has terrible consequences.

they don't need to. There's enough beef industry shills on the internet so they can be brain dead and follow low-carb, keto, carnivore.

No. WITH a debate. Apo-B = completely irrelevant. (imagine listening to Peter Attia.)

@radovan739 meat eaters that only listen to what they want to hear are really using the 'ol noodle ! !

@@buckmurdock2500 clueless.

@radovan739 no, vegan motivation is quite clear and his has nothing to do with health. Vegans exclude anything derived from animals which by default means everything else is okay. Just because something is not of animal origin doesn't mean it's healthy.

the hoops vegans will leap through just to deny human anthropology and physiology.

@@itsmedante.5325 is it your first time getting into a dietary tussle? Vegan diets are superior in every way. Get your lethargic, acne prone, smelly stool self out of here.

@@thesuccessfulone absolute nonsense. very un-scientific reply on your part. (if anyone is lethargic it is you vegans with your high blood sugar, and none of those things you mentioned are true. you're clueless.)

you won't find anything hard once you learn a thing or 2 about human physiology. learn from professor Bart Kay.

wrong. good science actually performs experiments in a controlled lab environment over a significant timeframe. this has not been done in human nutrition to any meaningful degree.

I was thinking that too 👍

ended up in the hospital because of what. I'm sure many vegans have ended up in a hospital after taking upon their diet. your point?

And I have a friend who drinks liters of beer many days a week, as his father during decades, and both are alive and with good health. They are freaks of nature with kidneys and liver of iron. Lucky or maybe it is very healthy to drink liters of beer

👍WF omni. is keeping my "machinery" happy. Mediterranean Blue Zones seem to support its health credentials, so why restrict?

Like you know anything about research whatsoever.

@@deslawson2662 getting into little spats with people on the internet isn't something I allocate time to. Have a good life and I hope you find happiness ❤️

@@deslawson2662 not like you know anything about "research" either if you're buying what mic has to say.

@@itsmedante.5325 Sorry, I thought you were pro Mic.

@@deslawson2662 whoops lol. I think that was my mistake actually.

because the carnivore diet is the biologically correct diet. this coming from a former vegan.

​@@DanteLikesRockfr? Lmao!!!

@@torashi. yep. I learned so much from watching Bart Kay.

@@DanteLikesRock hahahhahaha

@@torashi. hahahahahaha I know right- so funny, hahaha. But the funniest is knowing vegans deliberately put themselves at risk while ignoring the real data. I agree! funny af. LOL.

However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023

And yet looks twice as mascalinr as mic here... Funny that.

@@deslawson2662 no one knows what you just said.

@@blackmarketarmy Sorry, are you not too bright?

@@deslawson2662 Haha good try, says the person who wrote "mascalinr" clearly you are the genius...

Anecdotally you can see that carnivores on RU-vid all have low testosterone, but always come up with some bullshit explanation, while the vegans have sometimes even higher than average. These meatheads are so clueless. And then some say carnivores look healthier? People nowadays don't even seem to know what healthy looks like.

Actually I was addicted to carbs, not meat. 👍 Thanks for sharing your perspective but had to correct you there because carbs are my addiction, not meat. Thx - Cait

⁠@@carnivorecouplecrazy y’all brainwashed asses is still being ignorant. Your lady sitting there like a airhead knowing your eating yourself to early preventable grave. Just please don’t have your heart attack behind the wheel and hurt somebody innocent.

@@mizz308 clueless. meat is our species-specific diet. btw, it's "you're".

I bet the buffet at the funeral will be an all meat one. These people have caluses of the brain! 🤷‍♂️

Hpw old where they?

Mic is scared.

why is vegan an extreme?

@buckmurdock2500 The lack of meat protein and minerals from meat. I get discouraged having to work extra hard or buy expensive supplements to ensure I get everything. Same goes for carnivores if u don't want to eat liver and justify red meat being the best choice.

@@k1w1kat This is the goal of the carnivore team : to make you think that the vegan diet is "extreme". Any kind of diet has its own flaw in terms of nutrients. There is absolutely no lack of protein from any vegan diet, you need to do more research.

@botzer8817 They have protein but are classified as incomplete. I agree the conditions in which live food is kept is deplorable, and it's too expensive and inclusive to get properly fed pasture raised meat and dairy (Tho I think dairy is gross)

Lack of essential nutrients. malnourishment in its purest form.

Lack of essential nutrients. (being vegan is SO healthy!)

I know people who had sunken eyes and dark circles on all their diets ever since they were children. It's not nutrition.