I owned a 2020 Gladiator Sport. Stickered for $33,733.00 Fit 35x10.50x17’s on factory steel wheels. You can get a good vehicle if you pass on all the unnecessary options. Only downside was that 5’ bed.
Yeah I think most people would be happy with something like the Trail Boss which retails for like $38k or so. But some people just have to one-up the Jones’ and get the flashiest thing out there.
The big things you're paying for with the ATX/ZR2 trims are the pre-installed lockers and off-road suspension. You don't get those with the Sport and Trail-Boss trims. By the time you pay for parts and labor, you're looking at just as much, if not more than the cost of the higher trim line. Plus there is the possibility you never upgrade later anyway and get the same capabilities down the line, leaving you with regret as you watch the Rubicons and ZR2/ATX trims do things on the trails you want to do. So, there's that...
The tire looks cool as hell mounted like that, but it would've blocked the rear view less if the mount pointed it parallel to the driver, instead of perpendicular. They could mirror it for a 2nd spare behind the passenger side and still leave a rear view.
Very nice truck. The interior is way too sporty for my taste but I can appreciate it. Rear hd camera would go a long way with that big tire in the way of visibility.
Andre, you’ve taught me to keep GM products at arm’s length. Not just you but all TFL! Between the hummer ev and your Colorado, the gremlins the vehicles have are just too many to not take seriously.
The last Chevy I owned was an electrical nightmare! It couldn't make it a whole month without some completely new electrical issue. Bad grounds, chaffing wire harnesses, you name it and it had it. Some were just annoying like turning on the blinker would cause horn to blow, but others were dangerous like cruise control malfunctioning and not disengaging when hitting the brakes. I would much rather have to replace a transmission every 100k miles than deal with electrical issues again.
Lol for what? $67,000 starting 😂 oh Waite you can get the barebones for $45,000 these trucks ain’t worth it. And with interest rates at 7 your average monthly payment is a mortgage… $1000 on average
@@9663muexactly if you can't afford a $1,400 truck note, a $1,400 SUV note, a $5,000 house note, a $4,000 summer home note, a $4,000 winter home note, and the rest of your bills then you need to work harder.😂 Poor people 😂
@96…. When you get older, not really old just a bit older than 16 😃 then you will realize that the only problem with working harder, is that it takes away the truly scarce resource available to you, your time. You swap your time for money and then you can pay for this toy and others but you will not have the time to enjoy them.
I work for GM and got to drive one of these on an offroad course a few months ago and it was extremely impressive. Absolutely destroys my 21 AT4 Canyon
I paid $35,000 for my 2018 zr2. $100 aev trim kit, $400 upgraded bump stops, and $80 level and I’m on 34s. Took on Poughkeepsie gulch and Pearl pass. Think I’ll keep my $30,000. The only luxury feature I feel I’m missing out on would be adaptive cruise control
Fantastic! Fantastic consumer gouging. Not to mention dealer markups of $20-$30k. Sickening. Also, i heard the AT4X (non AEV) doesn't have same level of armor? ...and is Andre recording on Mt Everest? (I get winded walking up my stairs to be fair)
I really like my 19 canyon, I think the v6 pairs nicely with the 8 speed transmission. I'm still not completely sold on the turbo 4 and more infotainment dependent interior.
There's no comparison between the 3.6 and this 2.7. better in every way and so far more reliable. I'm a GM tech and I've yet to do any real work on the 2.7L (in the 1500s) all I've done is a leaking air oil separator and that was because it wasn't torqued to spec at the factory. They're reliable and torquey as heck
I remember in 2019 a Chevy Silverado hd with the 6.6 duramax almost fully loaded was upper 60s!! Wtf!!!! These prices are just asinine!! A mid size truck for upper 60s just blows my mind. I make really good money too and this is still just insane!
And guess what? People are still paying those prices, because anything with legs can get approved for a car loan these days lol. Ruins the market for the financially smart people like us who don't blow their entire salary on a vehicle...
I hear that - I paid $55K for my 2017 Silverado 3500 Crew Diesel. The upside is I sold it this year for $55K with 50K miles on it. Bought a 2024 Silverado LTZ Crew diesel and paid MSRP of $82K and change. Crazy how much new vehicle costs are going up.
Cool to see a HUD on a midsize. I believe that is a first in the segment. I too wish it had more power.. but I'm sure aftermarket will come up with something. Solid review.
@@champinsoccer9 5400, and you have to remember the bumpers, skid plates, sliders and spare tire carrier add up along with the additional weight of 35s
As an old dude, Such well appointed vehicles were only dreamed about in the 70’s through 2000’s. None were ever as factory equipped as we see here. Eddie Bower was the hot shit as I recall. Fords Bronco. Paint scheme interior, AT tires, that was that. Well to do consumers had the bucks to glimmer all they wished then, thesedays, the sky’s the limit. My young gun neighbors get themselves into vast debt by high dollar special purpose off road machines then suffer the errors of their ways years later. Wether bought outright such as this AT4 or, completely customized/upgraded as a off-road shop.
this interior is SO much nicer than the ranger raptor. exterior styling and factory 35s are cool also. too bad its down 100 hp on the RR and still uses rear leaf springs. as always, the best truck is a combination of two or more options.
Finally. A mid size truck that checks all the boxes. The spare in the bed is a huge negative however. Now if only Jeep could step up with 35s and a more powerful engine in the Gladiator, then we would truly have a real mid sized gladiator pickup! There ya go Jeep. Make it happen!
... I have a 21' EcoDiesel with 37's, no regear, and have done 13k ft mountain passes fully loaded and never once thought "man... I wish I had more power".
Same size tire fits my Gladiator Rubicon with no lift. Low range = 4:1 ratio (versus 2.72 Chevy) Spare tire tucked away under the bed on JT. Factory winch-capable bumper. Better sight lines over hood. JT top & doors come off for better off-road experience. No white interior parts to get filthy 😆 Also more rear legroom. Pretty comfortable saying Jeep isn't going to be 'Kilt' any time soon. Colorado is a nice truck tho-
You really don't need a 4:1 tcase with modern autos, not really the case with a manual I suppose, but if you wanted a manual you're probably not actually buying a new truck to begin with lmao
Truck looks incredibly good with the mud. So sick of looking at pristine vehicles. Great color match of the grays, well done. I would ditch the white in the interior for a more masculine look.
At these price points we should be able to purchase direct from the manufacturer as the dealer franchise model has failed consumers. Also if these trucks are demanding a premium price they should be fully ready for a dirty life e.g. full xpel PPF, Switch Pro, Anderson plugs wired to the bed and roof, and dual battery from factory.
GM made the new Colorado and Canyon look really good, problem is the sub par GM build quality. Way too expensive for all the time that it will spend at the dealership for repairs.
The Canyon is already so large that it will NOT fit an average garage. My dad has a '22 Dodge RAM with the "short" truck bed and it doesn't fit in the garage.
Great review Andre! I still like the look of the ZR2 Bison more but this truck is also beautiful! Only thing I don’t like about these trucks is the payload.
This is a great limited purpose off roader. My only issue with this, just like Toyota or Jeep, is that at 6’5” tall and weighing 220 lbs, I can’t comfortably fit in any of them. I’ve always wanted a Toyota, but I can’t really have one. I will have to stick with HD’s. The Power Wagon , Tremor, or the GMC AEV are the best for guys like me.
IFS, Turbo 4 as opposed to a reliable normally aspirated V6 with a stronger solid front axle... Not to mention being able to shed the doors and top. Hardly a jeep "killer"
Once you add the rooftop tent and overland gear it could get dicey on payload. But man the capability here is impressive. What would it take to increase the payload? Or is the limitation the frame itself?
@@robertyoung8289I think you are right. Makes me curious if you could build it better starting with a cheap two door and adding your own setup. Not practical but it sure would be fun.
@@jermsman18 Absolutely you could. I drive a magnificent 2020 Tacoma TRD PRO. I've got 50yrs of off road experience. This is the most capable vehicle I've ever owned. With that said the high end tech is interesting and I have used it a few times but give me a base SR5 at close to half the price and let me use my experience to build it my way and it will perform as good or better for less money. (My TRD PRO also has a 900 lb GVW).
Most people are talking about the price or the payload it lacks, it's basically a car with 4x4...Eco nuts ruin everything and this is the result of that 4cyl trucks??? GM could have kept the 3.6 V6 and found a way to pump out more power from it, but no we going Tokyo drift from midsize to full-size. Bravo
Although I do agree with you that these vehicles should be cheaper in the mid truck section, you are not getting anything this built up incapable for 45K from any brand. 20K will get you a stripped down Polaris Slingshot, what makes you that's going to get you a truck in 2023?
Back in 2011 I purchased a Toyota Camry LE which was just above the base model(Toyota eliminated the base trims in the following years). That LE was just under 21k at that time. Fast forward 13 years and you expect a base off road truck to go for 20k? Yeah you must be 15 years old that doesn’t know how inflation and the devaluation of the dollar works. Go back to school, study, and come back a competent person before you type whatever in comment threads
@sammyjammy6647 Any truck midsized for 20 thousand for a base model ... not for nothing but the maverick was close to 20 grand when it came out 2 years ago for a base model... yes the maverick isn't a midsized truck but it's close ... and cheap ...
@@mrgmc6314 yes but the Maverick is not an off-road truck with enhanced suspension etc. I’m not even sure if the Maverick that you’re talking about is body on frame or unibody. if it’s unibody it’s not off-road at all. The maverick is basically an economy car with a bed in the back
@sammyjammy6647 agreed but it's shaped like a truck , also I don't necessarily need off-road focused truck ,,, just something with truck capability ,, I had a 2002 s10 with a 5 speed and short bed regular cab ,,, honestly it was enough truck ,,, I'm 42 I don't need nor can afford a fancy truck , a basic crew cab short bed 2 or 4wd truck from the midsized segment should start 20 - 25 thousand and fully loaded by 50 k ,,,, most people don't understand we don't need all this fancy stuff ,,,
I would appreciate a street colorado. Give me that twin turbo off the line performance. Barely anyone with these will offroad might as well as have fun on the road.
@@shiftmotorsports9803 well the last recall we had on a Toyota was back in 2005. Our 04 Corolla had one. Then my 13 Tacoma had ZERO...my wife's 16 RAV 4 had ZERO and my 20 Tundra so far has had ZERO. So four Toyotas in almost 20 year span and one recall. Now according to BEN HARDY, Ford was number one last year for recalls and GM was number two. Yes....they are outstanding auto makers.
@@Pantelifts10 To bolster your point....My wife and I towed our 5 000 pound camper from Ontario to BC....5 000 kms there and 5 000 kms back with my 13 Tacoma. The only thing I did was gas and one oil change. Pretty impressive I think. Did the same trip with my wife's RAV 4 for our daughter's wedding. Only thing needed was gas. I think that says something about Toyota.
Those are narrow 315/70's I bet. The Bronco Sasquatch runs the same tire in a 315/70 and its a VERY narrow 315. I had 315/70R17 KO2's from a Raptor, and 285/70R17 KO2's from a Wrangler Rubicon. Then I bought a set of these off a Bronco to replace my KO2's. These were about an inch narrower than the 315/70 KO2's and almost identical in width to the 285's. Not saying this is a bad thing, it's exactly why I bought them. They are light weight and narrow, more like a 285/80R17, and I picked up almost 1mpg on my F150 vs the KO2's and the truck just feels spunkier and happier but I still get the full diameter of a 315/70.
Interesting observation. So, 315 mm section width is 12.4 inches and 285 mm is 11.22 inches. When you look at the specs for the BFG KO2s it lists a section width of 13.0 inches (330 mm) for the 315/70R17 and 12.0 inches (304 mm) for the 285/70R17. Goodyear does not list the section width for the Wranglers, but it appears you measured 12 inches wide. This would match the BFG 285 tire as you stated. If you do the math for the diameter a 315/70R17 should be 34.7 inches. This lines up with the published specs for both the BFG and Goodyear. So, it appears that BFG makes them wide, and Goodyear makes them narrow. For comparison the Falken 315/70R17 Wildpeak A/T3 is 12.7 inches wide and 34.7 inches tall. The bottom line is that even though it is the same tire size (e.g., 315/70R17) the width and height can vary from one manufacture to another. As you clearly stated "Not saying this is a bad thing" rings true. A couple of disappointing things I found when looking up the tire specs were. Goodyear not listing the section width for there tires (Come On Man). The other one was looking at the specs for the BFG KO2 in a 35x12.5R17. When I see that listed I would expect the tire to be 35" tall and 12.5" wide but no. The diameter is 34.5 " and the width is 13"
@@Hooner77 If you go to tirerack, the Bronco versions of the Territory MT in 315/70 is listed as 12.7" section width, but the tread width is listed as only 9.2". The 315/70 KO2's from the Raptor are 12.7" section width but 10" tread width. 285/70 KO2's from the Rubicon are 11.5" section width but 9.3" tread width. And that's exactly what I observed in person. When I had the Territory's off the truck i put them tread to tread with the 285/70R17 KO2 spare I had on my Lexus GX, and they are nearly identical in tread width. The Territory MT might have a little more sidewall width, but the actually tread is the virtually the same as the 285/70. But that is exactly why they bought them. They are the same diameter as a normal 315/70, but they run narrow and lighter and it really improved how my F150 drives vs the 315/70 KO2's. I dont wheel my F150 that hard so I was not to concerned.
Hey Andre, can you sit behind yourself (drivers seating position)? I recall you saying that you are over 6 foot tall. I’m 6’1” and about 235lbs, for me to sit comfortably, is there room for a normal sized adult (or someone my size) to sit behind me comfortably? I know In the gladiator I can sit behind myself but I can’t imagine I could for more than an hour or two (sit pretty upright).
Yall should do a ZR2 vs. AT4X vs. 4Door Wrangler/Unlimited comparison.... both on 35s and same sized wheels.... hopefully 17s or 16s. I think the wheelbase length will make the difference, plus rear lockers. Towing capability might be the selling point, plus cameras. I do not think payload will matter in vehicles like this. These are not "work" trucks, per se.
@ Liber… Agree but the company cares about the cafe standards that the 11 mpg will reduce. They just can’t afford it anymore. Elections have consequences.
If you need the extra payload. Just get the seirra version. Problem is they put smaller tires on it which makes no sense. This should of just had the 33's.
You guys should do a poll. Which auto makes survive it after this union fiasco and pending/definite recession. Looks like we might have a replay of the last one. Maybe ford gets taken down this time because of their ev follies.
Thanks for showing that it had no truck box at 44 seconds, permitted me to move on to video's that talk about real trucks. No discredit to you or any of your work, have been a subscriber for some time.
Regarding this pickup. It is a specialty vehicle. Its built around its intended purpose. Its not meant to be a hauler or any kind of heavy towing platform. Otherwise thousands of dollars must be invested to make it worthy of towing heavy down the road. Seems to negate the primary purpose of this pickup. If towing 30 foot trailer is the mission, go with the Sierra size pickup. Its hard to have one’s cake and eat it too.
Ahhh still should have shown the back seat. No excuse unless like the rest of the truck a disappointment (betting it is). Definitely doesn't seem like a jeep killer to me. But will wait for the off roading video to come out.
I was wondering this as well. Will they actually support the weight of the truck if you dropped it on a rock or are we looking at a bend body where they mount?
Exactly. Even with a comparable wheelbase there's nothing that is TRUELY competitive to the Wrangler Rubicon. Especially when u start doing modifications. Now yes I know you can build anything to beat anything but I'm talking an average build with mostly bolt ons and light fab work. Like adding 1 tons, a long arm kit a custom cage, or building rocksliders, that kinda shit not back halfing or building a new frame and hacking the body up or dove tailing the front and rear that's more than light fab work. Everyone tries to argue that a wrangler only having 33 means it's garbage or what ever but tires are usually the first thing I replace on a vehicle. I have bought new tires on almost every vehicle I've bought new and used. I did with in the first week of buying 2023 5500 ram last year I actually had tires and wheels and some other parts waiting at home for my JL when I picked it up 2021. So that argument is dumb to me and the bronco just shatters steering components when u start wheeling it Especially when u start putting bigger tires so other than that what actually is there to compete. All the trucks are 2 big and the midsized trucks like Tacoma can't come close with out a lot of work
The only thing this thing is killing it our wallet. I’ve owned the Zr2 diesel with a lift and 34’s and can honesty say my a Gladiator with the same mods size wise poops on everything else and the Tacoma I owned too l. Same specs. Can’t compete with the front axle. The other thing that triggers me about what GM is doing is I can’t tell the difference from a Zr2 or ATX4 from and standard trail boss or off-roader. They look the same. The older Colorados you can see the difference with the bugger flairs and aggressive stance.
Would love to see what the truck would do with a tire that stores properly keep an extra set of 35snfor the extreme stuff maybe ..this truck is for the .5% of the market and bragging rights ..love the looks but not at the cost of practicality..
I've watched a few of these videos now. You keep talking about the TRD Pro, wouldn't the Trail Hunter be a better comparison? I wouldn't shop this truck against the TRD Pro, it's a desert runner, not a utilitarian truck. In your Moab video you said the same thing. I don't think the TRD Pro is really a slow trail vehicle, even by Toyota's own admission. I think the Trail Hunter would be a more apples to apples comparison.
Id like a hybrid 5.3 in this truck .... Note : a plug in hybrid with 100 miles range on ev only power and 300 more mile range on ev / gas assist .. for a total of 400 miles of total range ...
Add the 3.0 liter Duramax and 4:88 gears. Get rid of the 90s snow suit interior. Or maybe add different color options for those who like a darker interior. The winch should be standard, especially at this price point. My biggest issue is the price! This is going to be in the 60k range! That is absolutely ridiculous for a mid size truck. Blame it on inflation or covid or whatever. Fact is these trucks are worth mayybee 45k
They need to just cut another foot off of the bed. You aren't able to put much more than a bag of mulch in it anyway. If you need to haul anything you are hooking up a trailer.
