It's actually sick to think that everything went in the shooters favor. Faulty doors, police officer drove right past him, and was able to scare off the cops to continue his massacre
His Grandma ( the one he shot before he went to the school) works at the school as a Teacher's Aide. He would have access to the security and design of the school simply by visiting her there.
@@saxonsoldier67 oh wow. That’s the first I’ve heard the grandmother worked there. That’s how it worked in his favor. Also the shooter had a cousin in one of the classes that he shot and killed.
@@lili8686z To be fair I have not been to a school that the classroom doors weren't only lockable from the outside. After the school shootings in Florida they started making teachers lock their doors all day and the teachers had to go outside and outside and lock the door
@@miurtouissi1093 Well from what I saw broadcast on the national news there were muliple failures and the door lock issue was just one of many Clearly you just saw that one. lol
@@timmartin7664 I saw this channel try to diminish cops incompetence from the beginning and other channels blame them from the beginning. They all have their biais I'm just aware of it. I hope you are too
At my daughter’s school, the doors lock automatically whenever you shut them and can’t be opened without a key. Honestly, what’s wrong with the people who designed this school? The fact that some doors didn’t lock at all… the poor kids
my high school had magnetic locks that each student/faculty had to have an ID card to unlock it, if you weren't attending school (like its summer or you've graduated) the cards aren't activated
I bet they get their mandatory pronoun, trans, and other touchy-feely training. Get rid of the Teachers Union and allow teachers to practice thinking for themselves. Surely a good citizen in Uvalde would have made necessary repairs to the doors. The bureaucracy of work orders and restrictions on who can do the work assures nothing gets done. Give Principals the freedom to run their schools and not remote bureaucrats.
@@Joseph-rx9tp It is not the 50’s. Your home and business are required to be brought up to code. Bring schools up or shut them down. They were shut down for Covid.
I wondered that same thing--how this could not have come up as an issue if law enforcement had actually done real trainings and drills in that school? It's disgraceful and enraging.
@@TenaciousSLG it because the school did training with swatt team which never showed up the local police wasn't trained and should've just in case no matter what.
Unfortunately many drills and training exercises are carried out and treated like team-off-work days. Show up, go through 1-2 scenarios on projector, tea break, a few theories, lunch one practical scenario sign attendance go home. Too much time and emphasis is put on following written policy and procedures to the letter, nothing/ not much on personal initiative and responsibility.
This happens a lot with schools in poor communities. We had a back door as well that was broken and took a while to fix. ACs that don’t work, issues with pests…meanwhile schools on the other side of town have restaurants on campus.
It’s not poor it’s just negligence and people don’t want to deal with all the legwork it takes. Sometimes things like that can take months to get resolved.
I worked in a school district for 11 years and I was one of the locksmiths. Doors can not be locked manually from the inside. However all the inside doors were locked from the outside with a key. We had a magnetic strip that would keep the door from latching if the teacher wanted to do that between class changing. If there was a lockdown all the teacher had to do was remove the magnetic strip and close the door locked. Then all the students and teacher were to move to a corner of the classroom were they could not be seen or heard. All of the windows next to the doors were always covered completely. The outside doors were ALWAYS locked and they were checked by the school security regularly during the day. If any door in the district was not working properly It was always priority one to go and fix it, even if the superintendent needed something fixed. All of these safeties were implemented years ago when all of these mass shootings started happening. Safety can be accomplished if people set their minds to it, it is not that hard or impossible. No need to get rid of the back doors like some dumb senator from Texas suggested.
@@cgmason7568 The school district I worked in had 11 schools plus the admin building. You do not have go out of the room to remove the strip. You open the door slightly and remove it and the door locks. It takes a few seconds to do this. This way the teacher does not have to go looking for a key and then go outside the door to lock it. The locks on all the doors were always locked, the magnet just prevents the latch to go into the latch hole. Not sure what you mean by auto locking doors, but if it is an electronic system that has to be installed it sounds costly. There are a lot of poor districts in the US and that might not be affordable. The magnetic strip is pretty cheap and fast.
@@everythingpony I believe that is for "dogging" the door latch. It does not unlock or lock the lock. What it does is hold the latch in so that it does not go into the latch hole. But what is the point you are trying to make?
I taught for four years in a classroom which had a broken lock. I complained about it every year. Nothing was ever done. It was noted in all 16 lockdown drills I completed in that room. Parents: please speak up. Districts don't care when teachers complain.
Here we go what kind of person complains for four years about a broken lock without doing a darn thing? Do you think this community did not have a locksmith? Take action people and stop whining which is not a good example for the students.
@@loublev5098 We aren't allowed to. The average teacher invests almost $2k per year into their classroom, we have absolutely no problem paying for things. 1) No locksmith will work on someone else's property without signed consent. 2) We aren't permitted to make any changes to the building unless we go through Admin, as I attempted for years. The kids aren't the only people who die, teachers do too. We are very aware of the risk we take by simply attempting to educate the next generation.
@KMusic Teachers should not use their own money. A man once said I know how to make the rabbit hop. Perhaps a random uninvited visit by the fire marshal. Schools should get parents more involved with their needs instead of treating them like the enemy. Might upset the teachers union - so what.
@@loublev5098 1) I don't teach in a unionized state. Many teachers work in states with little or no union representation. 2) Fire Marshall's see absolutely no problem with doors that don't lock. They don't consider shooting situations. A Fire Marshall is more likely to get after me for having window coverings. Typically school doors lock from the outside, so that a child cannot lock themselves in without a teacher. Doors are then kept locked at all times, with a magnet hold the door slightly adjacent. That is standard practice. Fire Marshalls like open doors. Many think that locked doors on exteriors are enough. 3) We've lost a lot of parent involvement since the pandemic. Many just got used to not coming in. I personally welcome parent involvement. Most of the CRT indoctrination and gender indoctrination lies might vanish, if parents could come in and see for themselves that we aren't teaching anything like that. Parents are welcome in my classroom at any time. I haven't had a parent take me up on that since 2019.
So the operations commander had the police wait for an hour for a key to a door that wouldn't have been locked? The incompetence of that guy is amazing.
They said a few days ago the door wasn't locked and that police never tried to get in door but it was unlocked they could have been in if they wanted to this whole story is deeply disturbing to me it's so horrific
The part that amazes me is youtube commenters who weren't there! Seem to be the ones who are the most angry about the way Uvalde police officers "failed to respond" you do understand on the day of the incident you weren't there. So how would you kno
@@caroldunkin2371 McCraw said that but he is biased about all of this considering he had more DPS cops there than any other agency and they also did nothing. BTW, McCraw also said surveillance video didn't show which classoom door the shooter went in but then said surveillance video did show that no cops checked the classroom door. Something seems wrong with that statement.
@@rogersmith7808 something terribly wrong with this whole situation so much of it doesn't add up one thing i do know that when it comes to defenseless innocent children most of us would do anything to try and save them regardless of the circumstances to us
So if the story is cops couldn’t get inside the room but the doors don’t lock… the math ain’t mathing. If the door was CLEARLY unlocked and opened outward how could he have locked himself inside?
That's the point, he wasn't locked inside at all. According to video footage, the cops never even attempted to open the classroom doors by even turning the handle, they assumed they were locked. All that time wasted waiting for a master key for doors that can't even be locked from the inside to begin with. Smh 🙄
According to the way the locks worked shooter as well as children might of been prevented from "leaving" the 2 classrooms but nothing was stopping people from "entering" the classrooms. Seems the locks made the doors become 1 way entry points when locked but on the wrong side.
To be fair. When a lot of these schools were built (many elementary schools in the US were built in the 1960's) this was the furthest thing from people's mind.
What the fck? The only one responsible is the shooter. And beyond that, the US government for still having such lax gun laws. No one fucking needs a gun. The rest of the developed world does brilliantly without them. Thanks and goodnight.
Injured victims and deceased victims’ families need to sue the Texas State Government, the Uvalde School District, and all of the police departments that didn’t go in to stop the shooter; including those cops that went in and only saved their own children or their friends’/co-workers children. This whole avoidable tragedy lays at the feet of all of those incompetent and grossly negligent responders by inaction and trying to cover up the lack of professionalism and not doing their jobs. It’s sickening! Money won’t bring dead children and teachers back, but those families and those recovering will need medical and psychological care. They should be able to move away from that town and out of the state if they choose. All of the agencies involved and especially leaders and cops that are part of the coverup will only learn by having a monetary judgement holding them accountable to pay. Let’s face it, money is all they care about. It’s a sad statement, but after everything coming out on this? Those families deserve justice.
Yea, let's all sue for shit that can't be changed after the fact cause we all know suing and getting a big pay off fixes everything. NOT! Sue the teacher that assumed and her family. Yea, go for it.
@@jbfane where did they say sue the teacher? They said the incompetent PD and the Texas government who’s doing absolutely nothing to rectify the issue.
Sad thing is, I would bet the majority of schools in this country have just as many basic security failures as Uvalde, if not more. The government doesn't even fund our schools enough to pay teachers what they deserve or hire the additional teachers we need. They are pinching pennies as it is. If we think they're going to fork over for every school in America to have something even as basic as proper doors that lock from the inside and aren't surrounded by windows, we're dreaming. I wonder if Congress would change its tune if they had to hold their sessions in school gymnasiums around the country with no security, just like our children, teachers, and staff have to do every day.
Those locks were designed to keep kids from locking teachers out of the classroom, and easily escape a fire. Which had been a perfectly fine expectation of a lock until about 2010.
I remember the day after the event when i was in 1st period we had a door that led outside and a security guard was testing if the doors were locked. It's sad how not all buildings have doors that could be locked from the inside, its shocking how designers waved this flaw out.
I remember when I was in high school my teacher told us NOT to barricade the doors in the case of an active shooter (like what you’re supposed to do) because our doors opened outward into the hallway. Our doors were also made of very old wood and could easily be broken down. It’s shameful that this was normal for my school and still is in thousands of schools across the country
I think doors that go outwards are sometimes installed incase of a fire. There's incidents where ppl were trapped because they ended up blocking the door from opening by having a bunch of ppl pushing against a door that goes inward. One case is the NYC triangle shirtwaist fire
Does Uvalde have a fire marshal if so fire them as well. They are the ones requiring doors remain unlock when the building is occupied. This device on the door is so you can get out but you can’t get in. The Fire Marshal apparently was not checking the doors at the school. Every burger shop has a similar device & sign stating this door must remain unlock when the building is occupied. Fire Marshal-Fire Marshal and Fire Marshal. Uvalde municipal is the epitome of SLEEPY little town.
My high school got rebuilt like 4 years ago, and they made every classroom have huge windows to the hallways. The windows arent reinforced or anything, and they’re like 4 feet wide by 10 feet tall. There’s two windows per classroom. The worse place to be in case of a shooting would be the second floor since there’s no way of exiting the building unless you go out onto the hallway, run down the stairs and outside. You could also stay inside the classroom and wait till the windows get shot out and oh well rip. I find it so idiotic how a modern school was built so poorly in case of a shooting. Not only that but the school got a 1mil grant for building a statue and a community park, yet they don’t use that money for a little more security.
Never thought about it but my old elementary school has doors that are eerily similar and huge windows you could just easily shoot out or throw something through to get entry into the school. Schools really need to do a better job before it’s too late.
I think the schools in my town are like that too I'm going to drive around sometime and look cuz I haven't been to the school in years but from what I remember they look like this.. I hope that the other schools around are paying attention to this, and make changes so many people like to believe it's never going to happen in their hometown and they just don't know that it can happen anywhere at any school doesn't matter where you live..
My elementary school didn't have doors, just large openings in the wall. Some teachers would cover it with cabinets to try and make the entrances smaller. Some of the rooms also didn't have walls dividing them. The school was built before regulations on the student to teacher ratio were put in. I really hope that the classrooms have added doors and walls now. Unfortunately the school sits in one of the poorest neighborhoods in the city so I don't imagine it will happen.
my elementary school has windows at the top of the walls of concrete and these windows are a bit slim but these windows go across one wall but all teachers are provided with curtains or shutters
@@karicrosman792 you do realize some crazy person can just walk in with a knife and start stabbing you and the students right? What is so hard about doors that are secure and lock properly?
This makes me thankful for my school’s extra security measures. I’m in a region where there isn’t many shootings but it’s still very important to invest in extra safety, especially at a time like this.
These are just classroom function locks and that's how they always have been, from back in the day before shooters were a thing. Modern classroom intruder function provides interior control of the locked or unlocked outside trim state. Storeroom function would also work but never allow an unlocked exterior. The exterior panic door in question just needs a nightlatch/storeroom function trim that remains locked after key entry and the door can only be held open by "dogging down" the pushbar from inside using a hex/Allen key. The glass is required by law to be a safety type, tempered or laminated with laminated being the better choice as tempered will blow up an go into a tiny pieces, but tempered is cheaper so that's likely what you get. Laminated will stay in place with much additional hacking required to clear the opening. I guarantee when new door hardware is approved the board will likely give the work to some outside vendor and beat the local locksmith who has probably been advocating for improvement all along out of the work. To my knowledge the government has never issued an SIC code for locksmiths to compete on these bids. Door hardware being considered "carpenter work", despite locksmithing being an ancient trade of more knowledgeable individuals. So when the carpenter's are done the story will now be that doors can just be credit carded open or levers tear off from them omitting the throughbolts intended to fasten them on well. Locksmiths are slighted by union and lobby interests and lack the backing to raise the capitol to be legitimately included in the build and renovations process. Locks seem to be carpenter work until the work gets tricky, such as full mortise installations and then the carpenter's come calling to sub us out for a door or two. That's just the American way, like it or not we are in a bad position to help schools out despite being the better choice.
0:49 they lock from the inside, look to the roght of the pushbar, see that black hole? You stick a L shaped wrench in there and it locks it from the inside
Everytime I pictured this story In my head the walls were bleek and boring like my high-school. To see the colorful elementary wall just really makes me see we will never know exactly what the survivors went thru or what the experience was like. Anything we can imagine can never be as bad as the actual event
It's absolutely ASTONISHING the hoops these people are willing to jump through when the obvious solution is to put trained armed guards in schools. My flipping local FRED MEYERS has an armed security guard at each entrance. Pistol, vest, cuffs, the whole nine yards. There is NO excuse. They WANT this to continue happening.
My school (in Germany!) has all classroom doors that lock when they are closed but can always be opened from the inside, never from the outside without a key. Simple design that should include any doors. Out schools are open campus so anybody can walk in but at least the classrooms would be secure.
No one mentions that the peep window in the door also makes it where the shooter can see which rooms have survivors hiding in it and which ones don't. If they didn't have hallway facing windows, they can just shelter in place and lock the door [well about that]. They won't know which rooms are occupied or vacant and will be wasting time trying to bust into vacant rooms giving the police more time to ste in before there are mass casualties. Especially if they had literally all doors locked and made it where without a room number list, you can't tell what is a class room, caffeteria, janitors closet, restroom, etc. Every door looks identical, has no hall facing windows, and is labeled only with a sequential room #... the creep would be spending most of his time trying to bust down doors to janitors closets, restrooms, etc.
Every one forgets that the shooter went to this school as a child so he knew where everything was. I would be billing to bet that he went straight to the classroom he went to as a child or to the class of a teacher he didn't like.
Our doors back in hs worked the same way. What we did to be safe was keep the door handles locked at all times from the outside and had a magnet over the door frame so the door could be pulled open from the outside during normal times of the day. To lock the doors, all one needed to do was move the magnet and let the door close
No child has ever been killed in a school shooting that was able to get behind a locked door, look it yo. Yes the police were cowards, but if both of those doors were locked, we would have a very different story.
Remember, the door should function perfectly but doesn't because I'm assuming lack of funding which Republicans are in favor of removing public funding from public schools. The door is just part of a myriad of problems that stem from bigger issues.
Well said. This feels like a deliberate distraction. They let those kids die, and now they're grabbing at straws to explain it all away. It's sickening.
the doors at the school i used to go to we’re only able to be locked from the outside. meaning you physically had to leave the room to lock the door. my teachers all kept their doors closed and locked no matter what so i was always safe but it’s still a terrible design.
The schools I went to in New York City the doors would slam lock. There's a way of keeping those doors open but you have to push that big metal part in and use like an allen key to keep it open. I do remember some classroom doors with two-way key lock and also some classroom doors with deadbolts. These are from the schools I went to as a kid from New York City. Do you have to change all school door locks and make that little glass bulletproof.
@@cloud8315 No problem, the orders from the chief of police were to stand down!! That means he takes full responsibility. I can understand it may be difficult for you to understand from your cellphone tik tok videos, but McDonald's is not the only place that takes orders. I hope I have educated you sir have a blessed day! And remember.... we can never forgot the children, but we must never forget the killer.
@@gordsruby5963 ma'am I'm not a sir🤦🏽♀️ I agree we must not forget the children, the killer AND those others who held guns with the ability to stop some of those killings. Oh yeah let's also not forget the mother who defied those "cops" climbed a fence and saved her two children👍🏻
@@cloud8315 Some....of those killings? You're not even in the vicinity lady!! Use your common sense!!! A gunman barricaded in a classroom with children is NOT the idea of a regular day at the park. Officer's entering, rushing, storming, busting in a classroom dumping thousands of rounds into one person is absolutely retarded. I don't care what idiot country you come from, it's not an easy task. You know the facts, you know the gunman killed the children, because it's all over!!!! But you were on tik tok Watching videos, eating Popeye's chicken while children were being slaughtered like pigs. Yet where were you? Why do you know so much now then the cops knew then? It's simple you were on your phone and you're out here like everyone else blaming everything that ain't nailed to the ground. You need to look closer at the man who shot a child so badly he was decapitated from his gunshot wounds. You need to blame him.
@@marshymellowyellow8104 False. The windows could have been shattered as they where just plate. The root issue is the gun. Why do Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Korea, Italy. All have equal infrastructure and mental health issues. But no where near as many shooting or murders. The US has 5x more murder not shootings and about 30x more shootings. Stop killing americans because your mricropenis and failed knowledge of statistics.
What does this have to with a sports facility? The people that work at the sport facility fix their doors. What does this got to do with the people that work at Robb elementary?
@@realnamehidden1314 I will try to go in order . Use numbers for clarity. 1) Harvard Injury Control Research has a study that directly link the number of guns into a country to gun deaths. The rate increases with the number of guns, Harvard did a brilliant job listing multiple sources, studies and data easily available in links on that page. You can also match up more data links on Worldpopulation review. Yes those two meta analysis point and link to several studies with corresponding data. Yes we know you gun nuts literally avoid the fact we have mountains of data on this because yes facts hurt your feelings. 2) Yes equal infrastructure is important because with out the enforcement mechanism like Police, Justice System, set up to tracking Serial Numbers, the bureaucracy ( oh it sucks but is necessary)aka infrastructure. UK or Japan have the systems in place. Somalia or Bangladesh not so much. You match people in your weight class so to speak. 3) Yes Mental Health per capita. Is on par in every country. WorldpopulationReview again. There is no more mental issues in the US than other countries. Simple search of "Rate of mental health issue per capita by country" The fact you never look this up is prove you avoid facts that are inconvenient for you. I provide citations above and before. You are require to search with the prompts I gave as YT anti-spam feature blocks links. 4) Again World Population review list that data. It is a great metadata source (that means cross checking multiple data points and studies). Also why did I point out murders versus mass shooting. Because gun nuts are train to say 1 of 2 responses (Bad people will just find a another way or What about stabbing and people killed by knifes!?) Which is exactly you need to point out if bad people will "just find another way" That would mean all murder rates would be equal. And turns out they aren't meaning reduction of guns via gun control laws. Is effective at not only reduce mass shootings but effective on reducing over all murders as well. 5)"Why do anti-gun people always think about other men’s cocks when talking about guns?" Yes why? Because gun nuts constant believe they need a gun to "be a man to protect their family" The very fact they use to validate their "manhood' is why we see your fragile egos. Now comes you tepid deflections of never going to read the sources and Citations I gave but looking for excuses of why you don't like them.
As a teacher in Texas who has worked in lower income schools- those types of doors that only lock on the outside and do not have an ID badge scanner to get in are very common. We also had many classroom doors that would not lock so we had to learn how to place a student chair a certain way on the door handle for lockdown drills. Teachers tried to address it every year but it always led back to "we don't have the funds." Now, I work in a district that has more funding however, I have never seen a classroom door that is able to lock from the inside.
Majority of the older buildings have classroom doors that can only be locked by physically inserting a key and locking it from the outside. By then it’s too late in a situation as this. Although, we are trained that our doors are to remain locked and closed at all times. With Covid and issues with ventilation it is just a loose, loose situation 😢. This was just pure wickedness and evil. May their souls Rest In Peace.
Doors at a business I worked at were exactly like this. When I asked why, I was told it was to locked up the place when leaving so that no one would come in after everyone left and steal. I would imagine this type of door is very common is areas that are suppose to be closed off to the public after business hours conclude.
That is absolutely insane. Glad to live in a place where our schools have the funding to not only have the best of the best in terms of security, but also the budget to fix if any of those are broken, at any time
My school and classroom had these same doors with locks on the outside. It's a fire code issue. Students need to be able to exit from inside quickly. Also, you don't want children to be able to lock a teacher/adult out of the classroom. That's a safety issue. We teachers were trained and drilled to keep doors locked at all times. My guess is that it was the last week of school, parents coming and going for awards ceremonies, class party supplies being brought in, so the door was unlocked for convenience by someone. So tragic and that person will never forgive themselves.
?? How can you keep the doors in the classrooms locked at all times if they lock from the outside? How would you get out of the classroom after every class then? It’s not the teachers fault for going outside for a moment. Many people go out to their cars for a moment throughout the day, at school, work, or wherever. I can’t believe how many people point the finger at a single person without sufficient knowledge and witness of what happened at that moment. The door didn’t work properly when she came back in! You can’t blame this whole tragedy on someone you don’t know or didn’t witness the situation! I feel badly for her, for she’s been sentenced as guilty for this whole disaster. The shooter shot through windows too, so I guess the schools at fault for not having bullet-proof windows. How about blaming the teachers for not having guns themselves to protect themselves and the kids? There were other kids out at recess that he could’ve targeted, instead of the kids inside. I guess you’d blame the school for allowing recesses to be held. I blame the sale of the guns and ammo to an 18 year old!!
@@user-hx7mi7ml8u do you also blame Ford or GM for car accidents? Do you blame Pepsi when you pee your pants? I could have fun with your looney leftist ideas that you had to find someone else with 2 brain cells... And you're still wrong.
@@user-hx7mi7ml8u leave it up to a liberal to vilify the innocent, and praise the guilty... Not surprising. Much of the country extends sympathies to the dead...you?? You praise the teacher as you feel sorry for her. Facts don't care about your feelings!
Yes, you are entirely correct... It IS a fire code issue. The facts are contained in NFPA 101, and more specifically, in NFPA 80. Those codes have used science, fact, history, statistics and input from many areas of expertise to create them to keep people safe. With over more than 3000 school fires in a year here in the US you then tell me which is the greater danger to loss of life. Most people with intelligence will answer that fire 🔥🚒 is the greater danger due to greater occurrences.
I have worked at 2 different school in diff states and when this happened I said the same! We have to lock doors from outside then get back in class and hide! I always thought this was dumb and the door knob was complicated. You have to turn its a certain way for it to lock, I made sure I practiced a few times. But under duress anyone could mess up!
@@las2725 yes FIRE CODE but its still dumb! In this day and age, we should have a better lock system for our doors in schools that accomodates all regulations that will keep teachers and students safe.
in most offices i've worked in, our doors were like this. you had to be able to escape during a fire by pressing the bar. you could lock it from the inside, but with a little pin type thing and they were very prone to breaking. so then you could only lock it from the outside with a key.
This is pretty common, the lock function is literally called “classroom function”. This means the door can be locked or unlocked from the outside only with a key, and cannot be locked from the inside.
It can be lock from the inside, there is a little black hole by the pushbar at 0:49 that is a inside lock, you stick a alen L wrench, usally a janitor has it, to lock it
@@everythingpony that’s not to lock it. That’s only to dog a door equipped with panic bars, or keep the door unlocked. Fire rated doors don’t allow that function though.
The elementary school by my house where I attended as a child is also very very easy to get in, doors never locked from the outside and the security guard desk is facing away from the door 🤦♂️ . It blows my mind how these schools haven’t learned from past incidents
Yeah the doors in my district lock the same way. I never even thought about how much of a design flaw that is. I always just assumed the door should and would always be locked.
It’s not a design flaw, the Von Duprin 99 panic device shown here, a proven and reliable design from the 1970’s (still made brand new, today) was designed for fire escape, not Wild West insane land. Furthermore they can be set up to an undefeatable auto lock if speced appropriately ( fire rated 99, store room trim). They are more commonly sold with dogging mechanism and classroom trim however, as it’s far more flexible but less resistant to idiots leaving shit unlocked.
@@mikeweatherford5312 someone with your knowledge should be present in that courtroom. A bunch of questions with no answers because they didn't think to bring in an expert. Yet another screw up or minimally a delay in this process. In any case case, thanks for the info.
@@mikeweatherford5312 But it is still a flaw because of the fact that there are doors that lock from the inside with a turn lock that does not require a key. it takes one extra second to turn the lock before opening the door. my schools had such doors that were also fire-resistant. NO door should EVER lock from the outside other than prison cell doors. Think about the door to your house. where does it lock from? inside. your bedroom & bathroom doors? inside. there is a reason for that. when they lock from the inside, you both have a layer of threat protection & the ability to easily unlock the door (from the inside) in the event of a fire.
@@kalyn3483 You could put a thumb-turn cylinder in a key dog panic device, but then kids can just walk up and tamper with it. Panic hardware is not really designed to stop an attack in the way you describe. It's meant to secure a building when the business is closed, and it's meant to ensure escape during a fire. Locking from the inside is not a requirement for either one of these goals. This is the way panic hardware has been made for 60 years. Free, one motion egress (escape) is required at all times, you cannot be required to disengage any kind of thumb turn or latch from the inside, in the event of a burning building, full of smoke, people panic and rush for the doors, even the simplest obstacle to escape can, and has lead to mass death. There are many laymen making comments about things they don't understand. Door hardware is far more complex then you realize. Also, I think you are confused by the term "Lock from the outside" these doors are always free egress, you can always escape, lock from the outside means you can't freely enter. Your comparisons to residential hardware are completely irrelevant, commercial is a totally different application, with a different set of requirements, homes do not have to meet fire code, homes do not have 100+ people in them.
What’s crazy is that I remember the locks being on the inside of every school I went to: private school, middle school, high school, and even in college. The locks were ALWAYS on the inside. The Uvalde incident is probably the only time I’ve ever seen locks on the exterior side.
It can be locked, 0:49 look to the right of the push bar, see that black hole? You stick a L shaped wrench or a pen/pensial and it locks from the inside
It is a building code requirement that exit doors have panic hardware. Not sure about the vision pane and side lights, but they also seem to be quite common in schools also. The exit door was either never locked in the first place (which is possible to do depending on how the key is turned), or the latch failed to engage when the teacher removed the prop earlier.
It's sickining, I'm from the UK and all my school doors run on key cards (I know this is very common in a lot of UK schools) I do not go to a private school, and go to a large state school in quite a rough area. The doors lock themselves and only teachers have access to the doors they need to open. For example, an English teacher has a key card that can only open doors in the English block. Why isn't this something that is introduced into the USA, it's not something that requires whole new doors. But instead something as simple as replacing the lock. I am obviously not blaming this shooting the fact that the doors have the wrong locks. As I think it's clear what the issue is and why so many shootings happen all across America and my heart goes out to all those families and everyone in America who are stuck in a nation that will not fix the gun law issues.
We had something like that at my middle school except that we used physical keys instead; the doors always locked themselves. American schools are often terribly underfunded (like other aspects of American society such as healthcare), especially in red states.
@@dr.noname1234 It's worth listening to what they have to say, considering they do not have even a small fraction of the school shootings that occur in the United States so frequently. It's time to get off your high horse, grandpa.
I’m glad that at my school u have to use keycards to get into the door and the only way students get into the school is if the people at the front desk press a button for the front doors to unlock and also u can lock the doors from the inside and the outside
I work for a middle school, we have a door in the back of our library that anyone can leave unlocked like a deadbolt. Students are too lazy to go through the main entrance and leave the door unlocked for each other when leaving for class. They will even unlock it when they leave class for the bathroom. We can't see that door from the library desk, we don't know when people go in and out of that door let alone who. I have busted multiple kids who have snuck in through that door to ditch class. I've even caught students making out. There is only 1 security camera in the entire library and it can not see that door. I was at another school in another district for a job interview and I noticed that their library doors were the same as ours but their doors required a key to leave unlocked. I brought the idea and my safety concerns up to admin, they ignored me. I brought up the concerns to security and they told me that I should just talk to our school maintenance guy. He agreed with me 100% that it needed to happen but the district locksmiths said my suggestion was "unsafe" and "against fire code." Our school has a serious issue with short staff due to "budget cuts," kids not giving a sh*t, and parents actually telling kids we have no authority over them, that I am waiting for the day that door is used by a mass shooter.
Unfortunately when the schools don’t get enough funds things like maintenance and such get set aside or overlooked. Especially in small towns or more poverty stricken areas.
Consider the fact that he could’ve easily attacked people at random once school was out.I’m talking about children,parents,relatives of the kids,siblings and any arriving police.Things just happen to “go down” the way they did
Imagine that if it hadn't of been the day of the end-of-year awards assembly, there probably would've been twice as many kids in those two classrooms. Over half of the kids went home with their parents when the awards assembly was over.
I’ve actually said this to every teacher I’ve ever went on lockdown with “can’t they break the glass and get in anyways I don’t understand why they have windows right beside the doors
If you ever watch the entire surveillance footage. You will notice that the coward shoots the door before entering the classroom. My guess, a teacher was trying to hold the door closed.
You can have doors that easy to open in an emergency like a fire (and these are required by code) or you can have doors that are very resistant to intrusion. But it is much more difficult to have both. In this case, at a minimum, you would need to either get rid of the side lights or use reinforced glass. Of course, both of those options would dramatically slow firefighters in the event of a fire, which is statistically, a much greater threat. But if the school can't even bother to lock the doors, it doesn't really matter.
I lost it after he said “over 340,000 doors across Texas” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 y’all really talking about doors and door design when that’s not the solution to mass shootings.
@Austin Weathers You aren’t getting my point and you’re still talking about something that has nothing to do with stopping that shooting. We’re the only developed nation in this world that lets everyone just run free when it comes to getting a gun. Something that can easily kill someone, that that’s the reason why he killed those kids not because of a stupid door or door design.
top cop of any school should have been all over this, but i guess that would have required someone doing their job all across texas and who knows where else.
I recall my school doors being the opposite. Someone inside always having to let you in bc they just auto lock on close. Remember having to hold the door always. Where do you ever find doors that only lock from the outside?
My first high school had doors like this but the second high school I think they could lock on both the inside and outside. Our doors automatically locked on the exterior of the school when we shut them (after passing period) but students opened the doors for people who knocked on the doors. And during passing period anyone can enter the school if they pretend they’re a student. The principal and teachers tried to drill in our heads to never open the door for anyone, but the students still did.
How about gun control? There was one mass shooting in the 80’s or 90’s here in Australia and now we have strict gun control and no school or mass shootings.
@@pooodonklooopdoop5672 I would agree with you if the 2nd amendment wasn’t so ingrained in American culture. Other countries that successfully implemented gun control didn’t have to deal with that.
It's so sad to think that those are the kinds of thing schools in the US need to worry about. None of the classrooms in my schools growing up had any locks so that's something i'd never worry about when building a school. I hope things get better and this doesn't have to be a concern in the future
It's not just for shooters. You realize how easy it would be for a predator to walk through a backdoor, pretend he's staff, and kidnap a child??? The severity of the door issue can't be understated. Shootings aside, they endangered the kids from all sorts of threats.
Everything that could’ve gone wrong, went wrong. From the faulty doors, to the officer who drove by to the cowards who waited 77 minutes in the hallway. EVERYTHING! They truly failed those teachers and students.
Praise that teacher who ran inside the close that door and curse the people who designed that door and those police men that waited an hour to save the children because they were scared
This is what you get when you get committees, politicians and boards to design systems. Looking at the images being shown, all the doors would have failed their first safety test. Exterior push bar door locks are supposed to automatically lock when doors are sprung shut. Interior/ classroom doors could have borrowed from the humble toilet door lock- They lock from the inside. If and when glass/ viewing portals are fitted to doors they should not compromise the lock/ function of the door. That said, it shouldn’t draw attention away from the incompetence and very serious failures of the school safety officer(s) and law enforcement response. It is their failings and inactions on the scene that led to the high casualty numbers in the school. The buck stops with them. Looking at the investigation hearings, it is apparent the department of safety is mixing up the issues, non issues and potential issues into one pot. The investigation should into the school shooting should start from the moment the first shots we’re fired into the school- What happened? Issues about playing video games, dead cats in a bag, gun trigger adapter, high capacity magazines gun laws etc are only clouding the investigation.
The police department should understand the schools in there area even maps and become fimilar with schools in Utah police department were training at local high school but sometimes when shooter shoots through door it can be unsafe to maybe touching the door would be hard to do if he's shooting through the door just a thought but did this class room have windows if so why didn't they shoot him down that way like a sniper. Training is very important.
@@juliaweber212 Yes training is very important but it is completely useless if lessons and employable skills and knowledge are not learned. Training is being used in many cases as tickbox exercises to beef up employee records and for insurance purposes.
It’s not that simple. Put a barricade latch on an interior classroom? What happened when a student locks the teacher out and beats a kid to death while everyone watches though the window? There is a reason things are as they are. Panic devices are designed for fire escape, they can be set up to an auto lock, known as “store room function trim” but most opt to have the ability to unlock the door, this leaves staff responsible, not door hardware. I do agree with almost everything you said though, particularly with the smoke screen those responsible are throwing up, this door non-issue is just another one
@@mikeweatherford5312 It’s not that simple true, but when the simple is overlooked for the complicated then problems arise inevitably. A door or lock that cannot be opened or locked clearly doesn’t fulfil it’s basic function. I give the example of the toilet door lock for its simplicity yet high effectiveness. As for a kid locking a teacher out of a classroom to beat another kid to death, I don’t know how many such incidents are on record but surely that kind of kid would have no problem beating another child to death in an unlocked classroom, a bathroom or the playground and shouldn’t be in that kind of environment in the first place. I fully agree with you that the door hardware cannot be seen to be responsible for the victims but rather the people involved. The issue is or should be the determined active shooter on the school premises and what was not done/ could have been done to minimise casualties.
As a kid who’s still in school my teachers say they have keys to open a door to the doors in the school and she has to lock us in our classroom so my school never has lockdown and I’m proud
The high school in my town has a front door that doesn't close when you let go of it. I mean it does, but it still stays open a little bit unless you manually open or close it.
I am a teacher !!!!! And in all the schools that I have worked the doors are the same !!! You can only locked them from the out side !!!!! I never understand why!!
It’s not a fire hazard,( the door still opens freely, from the inside, even if locked from the inside, you can always escape, you only control exterior locking) it’s more a practical issue. It’s kind of a big ask to expect a manufactor like allegion, Jackson, assy abbloy or Sargent to design and sell a unicorn bespoke lock just for schools, made in small batches, when the tried and true standard panic device is good for all other commercial applications. As tall an order as it is though, they are working on it. We’ve never “needed” it before. Times are a changing. You’d need to put keyed locks on both sides of the door, only controlling the exterior handle, always allowing free egress via the push bar, it can be done, but it’s a big ask. Fire code won’t permit supplemental locks, you can only have one lock, and it must open with a single motion with no special skills or knowledge. There’s good cause for this, as in the previous 100 years or so you were far more likely to die in a fire then a school shooting.
I’ve been a teacher for many years, I’ve never encountered a door I could close from the inside, beside the faculty restroom. Windows in doors are also common place, but important to see who you’re letting in. Doors that can be locked from the inside and windows further away from the handle could be a start. Then there’s funding…
I used to work for edinburg cisd as a bus driver and I will say this, their security is probably one of the best I've seen as far as school district security goes. They do have their own police department as many other districts but I believe they are the only one in the state of texas that has a full blown swat team to respond to these types of situations and they are constantly having training.... they do even have have their own armored vehicle. Each school always has their exterior doors locked to where you have to go to the main entrance where you're met by an armed uniformed officer. I believe they have 1 at every elementary, 2 at every junior high and 3 or 4 at every high school. Plus regular security..... God forbid this ever happens again but if it does I believe the majority of districts down here will be prepared. Uvalde district and the city as a whole needs a makeover with security/law enforcement..... ridiculous, damn near 400 officers and they couldn't stop 1 kid.... the initial 8 or 9 officers that entered the school should've stopped him.... they could've saved most of the people in that room.
The school district and local police should have hardened the glass with security film (think of it as thick clear window tint). It can be added after initial construction. The door issues should have been addressed as well during training for a school shooter incident which allegedly happened about 9 weeks before this disaster. For a few thousand dollars, a school can be secured for a short period until courageous police arrive.
@@saxonsoldier67 all schools districts should replace all doors and windows with bullet proof ones. Then they should remodel the ceilings of each classroom as an attic to hide in. That alone would probably save lives if the districts didn't have enough funds to install bullet proof doors and windows.
@@Wondorawoman Not practical to have bullet proof ones everywhere. Security film can delay intruders. Hiding in attics ? Would have made no difference in this case as the police would have still waited outside for far too long. The shooter's Grandma worked at this school. He had access to its security and design. Even bullet proof doors and windows have limits. All they can do is delay a determined intruder. Courageous police were needed.
At my school some of the classrooms did have exit doors, but some did not. I agree with you on that part. ALL need to have those. Also some of the classrooms led to other rooms and classrooms which led to more emergency exits. The model of our school was kind of complicated. Our teachers had their own keys to the door so they could lock it. Every period when it was time to switch classes, our teachers would lock the door after the students enter or exit the classroom. What does not make sense to me is that in the main entrance where parents, students, or visitors come through, there is a buzzer and camera to see who comes to the door, and if they are allowed to be entered. What about the other entrances? ALL entrances need a key card or buzzer to let students in. Also anyone can act as a parent, student, or teacher. They need to be able to identify parents, from students to even the teachers such as identity access cards or etc so they do not let the wrong person inside.
Our school when I went every door was locked. You had to be let in by a teacher or another student. Anyone who was at the doors parents etc, we told a teacher about to go take a look. You couldn’t get into the school through any doors unless you slipped in between students. The offices had a check in buzzing system. You couldn’t open the doors. You had to be checked in, then buzzed in and visitors had to have a written note from the parent. Very secure school
That’s what I was thinking. At no time during the entire hour and 14 minute video of the police and other agents scurrying about in the hallway did ANYONE try to check to see if the door was even open. A flat out lie by the Chief. Reprehensible!
Oh… I see, so it’s completely normal and acceptable for a teenager to have an AR15, drive like crazy, and crash his car, but man, whoever installed those doors is a monster.
Finally this is being talked about. When we used to have lockdown drills, our school will use the speaker for us to hide and lock our classroom doors but for some reason, my teacher always had to open the door and lock it from the outside and then close it, I always thought was that was very unsafe n dumb.
For me my class didn’t have an intercom that worked properly…or at all..so whenever we had lockdown drills someone would have to come to our class and tell us to hide 🫣 if it was a real school shooting we would be dead simply cuz we wouldn’t know
@@mhashifter1031 yeah I can tell, most schools were built with speakers but break bc of how old some schools are and that was often some of the classrooms too at my school, some didn’t work but the speaker was connect to the phone so when they will speak, the phone will go on speaker for everyone to listen.
My old schools were the same thing looking back on all it, it makes me think why couldn’t they remodeled the doors to be locked from the inside of the classrooms but I guess it could of cost lot of money for that
Think that guy wouldn't have gotten in if they shoved a chair in the door handle plenty of survival games have that as an option to get away (last of us when trying to save ellie)
Industry standard Von Duprin 99 panic device, designed in the 70’s with a stellar track record, great piece of kit. Doors are a smoke screen for the real problem
My school has doors that lock from the inside and outside. And the emergency exit doors can’t be open from the outside unless you have something holding the door open. It should be code that doors must lock on both sides.
I attended a modern grade school in 1987. All of the classrooms had exterior doors with three windows down them, which I immediately felt was odd. Was a small single story like Robb. My previous schools were all giant old buildings with only two or three doors on bottom floor. Nobody could just walk right in because you had stairs going both up and down to the basement-you would be heard before you were seen. And, all classroom doors had to stay open during class, all doors locked from the inside. No classroom windows could be reached from the ground. The modern school was yeah-backward!
Lack of police response killed the children. It had nothing to do with doors. The doors were unlocked. There is nothing wrong with the doors or the design of the doors. This is a police smoke screen cover-up.
There is most definitely an issue when teachers think they’re exterior doors lock (after seeing a gun man) but they don’t lock. That is complete b.s. Do you know how many doors regularly lock behind you automatically in public? The exterior door should have locked!! It IS part of the issue in addition to lack of police response, AR-15 gun laws, growing mental health issues and lack of police transparency!! The ignorant door design is outrageous! What is a lock down without freaking locked doors?!?!
@@brandyparker8961 no duumbass. Even if the door is lock. The guy have a fawking ar15. You do know 5.56 blow that lock off the door right? Also most school door have a small window. He could of broken the window and just reach in and press on the bar to open the door. So duumb fk, what about the door were you talking about again? Lmao
@@godsmission5845 Interesting. Inroder to properly regulate these weapons and prevent "high powered assault weapons" from getting in the wrong hand we must first identify what a "high powered assault weapon" is. At what point does an assault weapon become high powered? Is there such thing as a low powered assault weapon? And what even is an assault weapon?
There are two ways to lock and unlock a panic device, they actually work independently and will override each other. Dogging mechanism (aka the hole in the bar from inside) holds the bar down and leave door unlocked, outside trim (aka outside handle, grip, keyhole) will also unlock the door at any time, and depending what type of trim (store room or classroom) can leave the door unlocked all the time.
In my school we have at least every door that locks from the inside and around 30 classrooms (the front ones in the school) with doors that have a huge glass window on the door. So, if there was a situation like a shooting, there would be no where to hide in the front classrooms unless you stacked the chairs against the doors. (The front classrooms have two doors to each room)
Doors like those are controlled by someone with a key to prevent others from locking people out involuntarily! That style/model is not for emergency lockouts by anyone without a key! Those doors are good for buildings used commercially!
our doors have locks on the inside and outside and are always locked on the outside unless someone unlocks it in which they lock it after, but as im in australia its more of a juuuust in case thing
@@stewblare2190 maybe… if you happen to carry the right sized Allen wrench with you, perhaps you could lock it from the inside. It takes a few moments, though.
We have same doors at our schools in CA. You have to use a little pin and put in the little hole while pushing in that long metal bar on door in order to lock it. As long as that bar is pushed in it is locked from the outside. You can unlock from outside with a key while people indoors can open freely. We are required to leave it like like this at all times. Or you can permanently unlock with the pin in the hole. You know it is unlocked when that metal bar is not pushed in. The pin is usually hung nearby on wall. Sad fact it takes a while to lock door and shooter probably would have made it in before she locked it.
All school doors I’ve ever come into contact with in my area lock from the outside. I’ve worked in at least 20 schools. The teacher or whoever unlocks it is supposed lock it back with their key immediately after opening. We recently had the locks changed at my location so the door automatically locks and you only use the key to open. It relooks it self once you pull the key out.
When I was in elementary school, there were NO doors on the classrooms. The front entrance was also NOT secured. You’d walk in and be able to walk to other areas of the building. Thanks to bonds, when it was totally remodeled, they went in and put doors in on all the classrooms and moved the office up to the VERY front of the building. I also remember during drills, when the teachers would have to step out into the hall and put their key in to lock the door. These doors should have seriously had the ability to lock from the inside.
My old school was like this too there was no absolutely NO locks on any doors EVEN THE ENTRANCE and the office was very far from the entrance there were also no security cameras and the building was only 1 story and it seemed pretty flat and its probably because my schools funding had barely ANY money
at my hs theres at least 3 or 4 classrooms with huge glass wall like the glass goes from the ceiling to the floor and goes from wall to wall in the hallway. theres nowhere to hide in them, so every time i get a new schedule i just pray ion get one of those classrooms
