Hey guys, we wanted to post a quick update comment: One spec Tesla did not include in their initial spec sheet is battery size. According to several reports from those who had earlier access, the Cybertruck sports a 123-kWh battery pack. For reference, that's slightly smaller than the Ford F-150 Lightning's 131-kWh pack (depending on whether 123-kWh refers to usable (net) or gross capacity), and about the same as the Rivian R1T's "Large" (135-kWh) pack.
Looks good but rear seat headroom looks not so good you’ll notice Marquis Brownlee did not lean all the way back in the seat. He’s also maybe 5’8 and he never closed the door and he had the rear Tono cover was up so there was a lot more light back there that’s my biggest concern there does not appear to be enough headroom for six footer and it’s gonna be a little bit like being in dark. Also they should have put a camera based rear view mirror. No spare tire is also really bad. Range fail compared to musk hype. Otherwise seems fairly good
Bro you’re buying a truck, car ,suv space ship something that’s even more smart than you and you worry about the range when you have chargers every where and the range it’s also similar to a gas car range there’s no many gas stations in sure electricity more able for more people idiot
@@mcamp9445 marquess is tall af, like top 1% of the world population lol. also always on rear view camera on screen, range did not fail as single and dual motor hit the mark and even exceeded it on the dual. but yeah tri motor range was decreased by a 200 miles lol and the storage in the bed should have been long instead of deep to house a spare wheel.
@@gypsyemperor7535 I think its more for when you go to tow. If you have a travel trailer stopping to charge with a trailer attached is difficult. You have to detach it and then charge.
Especially if you're using it for work and you're towing with it and have to drive any kind of distance are you going to pay for your roofing crew to sit there and wait for it to charge?
A bulletproof reinforced stainless steel exoskeleton, triple thick glass and no door handles sound like great ideas for when a paramedic has to get you out of one…
I would say 80% of trucks are pavement princesses that might haul something a handful of times a year so if that is what the cybertruck is targeting they ate hitting a large portion of the truck market for the other 20% who haul large loads drive long distances can stick to a larger gas truck. 80% of the truck market is still a lot of trucks
I'm pretty sure they sell more hd truck than regular one. You have to understand those f-150 and 1500 pick up use like you say stay on the road for longtime. Hd and super-duty are lot less long on the road. Just mine have 285 000 at 5 years and i'm canadian so there is 3 months every year i barely use it.
@@legro19 Counterpoint - the F-250 and GMC 2500 are the only 2 vehicles with a median life greater than 300,000 miles. So those that aren't driven as much will be on the road a lot longer than any other kind of car.
Lot's of these EV trucks weights in like 7K-10K lb I can't see how my residential 3-4 " concrete gonna hold up on the long run. Maybe I need commercial grade 6"
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Yeah but they are mostly use by enterprises. Depending on the industry 300,000 miles can be reach pretty fast but there is a reason nobody has 300,000 miles warranty. Employee don't pay so they don't care. They never check oil level, they don't say anything if the truck make weird sounds. They use kit down with 15k lbs in tow ect. Commercial truck are often pretty beat up after only 5 years. So they have near no value for enterprise. If your are not a mecanics those truck are bottomless pit for cash. In my case i'm a small entrepreneur so i make repair myself most the time and manage it to don't mess with my job. But you can'T do that when 2 mecanics have 150 vehicules and equipments to maintain in perfect work condition at all time.
@@nemeanlioness I see you have taken hundreds of hours of classes on trucks. Towing cuts Gas and Diesel by about the same amount. It is not 80 miles. I have sold trucks for many years for 4 brands I can tell you basically no one cares about towing anyway. It is less than 10% care or tow anything over a couple of hundred pounds.
One thing nobody seems to talk about is the way you charge at Tesla charge stations. The majority if not all charging stations, you pull directly into the stall. If I’m towing with the Cybertruck, do I have to pull into a parking stall with the trailer another 20 feet out in the street?
They have some pull-throughs, but not many yet. I think they are rolling them out, but we will see how many. Generally their charging network has been a big part of their success so far. It's the gold standard. But they do not have enough charging stations for the Cybertruck right now. They also have a large battery with 800 volt architecture, but most chargers are 400 volt which might charge only half as fast? If Tesla focuses on building a charging network for Cybertrucks, I guess it will be pretty good in a few years.
I think the reason people don't talk that much about it is because Teslas are towing since 2016 and it's been fine. You either use one of the drive through spots that many stations have or your block a few stalls cause there are still many empty spots left or you park the trailer next to the Supercharger or whatever.
I hope that it's insanely successful and everybody ends up dumping their "real" trucks in the market cheaply for the rest of us "poor" people to finally afford a truck. :)
@@cyruslupercal9493 lol. In 10 years time your guys's mind will be blown! xD I d pay to see your faces when in 5 years 80% of cars sold worldwide are EVs!
It looks to be 1/3 the distance front to back and approximately 1/3 the height of the bed not including the angular part, So it's about 1/9 the volume of the truck bed portion.
@@zigadabooga thanks and oh dang it’s that big? Wonder if it’ll need a hoist to get it in there and positioned. That kind of size makes me think it’ll be like 2-300lbs.
Some things were nice about the cybertruck.. but no one mentioned how there's not door handles.. there's a button on the B pillar .. half the time Elon had a hard time finding it and it working.. I can't imagine what would happen if something were to happen to the B pillar and there would be no way for you to enter the truck? The range, price, and everything was just underwhelming. Feels like Tesla just rushed this presentation/delivery event.. I thought they would definitely talk more about it and show it off more, instead.. a quick 5 min speech by Elon and then started delivering them, and then the end..
The door thing was because the trucks were in drive. He had to keep telling the drivers to put it in park--all modern vehicles prevent the doors from opening when in drive.
@@jadenantal1652 same as other vehicles--Elon was using the outside "handle" though. Because the truck was in drive and not park, it wouldn't open. The original point was that the door was not fiddly to open, the truck was just in drive.
Our roofing company had two on order before the event. We are placing 3 more deposits now that we’ve seen the specs… We typically replace our 5 truck F150 fleet every 30k miles. Which averages every 18-24mo. We live in our trucks from job site to job site, hauling materials to job sites, and returning unused materials back to the supply houses… This truck will save us so much in fuel cost. My current 2022 F150 PowerBoost msrp is $69k
@@darrendaine4914 please show us that one study. I have three gas cars and one electric. In my experience the electric is about 1/3 the cost of gas for “fuel”. Plus, I have no oil changes or motor servicing on the EV. They say brakes last longer because of regenerative braking. EVs can have some weird expenses, like if you have to change the battery I think the car can basically be totaled, but this is a major outlier.
Curious why you replace after 30k miles? Would an electric truck change that since the power train and brakes should not need servicing for a long time?
It’s not as far away as you might think. Check 1 of the online inflation calculators. $40 in 2019 is now around $51k… still more than the first mentioned prices but not such a big gap…
To be clear: I'm typically an Elon fan. I love the works he has done with SpaceX. However, this vehicle is a joke. Pointless demonstrations to appease the "fan boys" and very standard as compared to most other electric vehicles. We'll see as time goes on but so far, I'm not a fan.
Did GM deliver to real world customers or employees that probably signed non disclosure agreements or aren’t even allowed to let them leave the test track until mass production can put thousands of these clunkers into the wild
Is it expensive? I don’t know what expensive is anymore lol. I see people dropping $100k-150k on travel trailers, RVs, speed boats, top of the line pickups, etc. 💸
Right around 3:40 you can see the left box side is all crinkled above the wheel. They’re going to have a hard time making straight panels since there’s not much contour.
The look of the truck gives the feel of something out of a Madmax movie. It will be interesting to see its actual daily performance by those who can afford to buy it over the next few years. I’ll stick with my 6.7 for now. I could see it being used for law enforcement and military possibly.
This seems reasonable. Anytime you don't have to actually carry a load... this has use value. But for towing (anything outside of your hometown) or carrying building materials, this things is as bad as a Ridgeline.
why? It has a higher load and tow rating than other trucks, a larger box, adjustable suspension with 17” clearance, 12” adjustment, 4ws, sbw, … I agree these first generation of BEV trucks are not for anyone who tows more than an hour or so a day.. but fact is few people even tow. This truck will work for probably 75% of all truck buyers. I’m getting one because it is the best of what is out there.
Would you think it was as expensive if it functioned as a Tesla power wall? What would you think of a towing version that had street specific tires and a 550 mile range? How do you think it will do against a Raptor for desert running? What about a truck you can run through the brush but doesn’t scratch? How about a full sized truck that turns inside the radius of a two door Jeep? Im not in the market for a truck. But I do think that Tesla may be bending paradigms again. I live in an area where impractical full sized trucks are pretty common. If this is faster than a Raptor on Mojave roads, it will have some takers. If you could spend $100k on a truck that was also a $80k powewall you have my attention even though I’m not interested in a truck. I don’t know any answers, but it will be interesting to see what happens. R
I dont see this being as fun in the dirt as my Raptor. If I lived in the city and drank Starbucks with a cardboard straw I would prob buy this truck lol
I really wanted one, but the lack of cargo space and that MASSIVE price tag has chased me away. Tesla seemed to forget that the entire point of the stainless steel construction was to keep the price tag down and make it affordable. I suppose I'll be looking at Dodge, Chevy, or Ford.
How much do they cost? And when will the Dodge come to market? The F150 Lightning is not cheaper, The Chevy Silverado EV ditto. If Tesla impots the CT to Europe and we get the same conversion rate as the Model S/X then it would cost about the same as a Ford E-Transit or a VW Crafter. With much better specs.
@wolfgangpreier9160 they doubled the price of what they were originally being advertised at. We're looking at $70-$100k USD. I originally saw this as an incredibly useful truck which would suit my business perfectly at a reasonable price. It's now higher priced than any of the other EV trucks out there (aside from the Hummer). I don't have 6 figures to blow on a truck, so lowest price will clearly win out, especially with the over inflated prices in the current market.
@@Thanos88888 Oh well, then please buy a Ford EV if you really think that one is cheaper. For my use case 80K in Europe would be actually cheaper than the competitors from VW, Ford, Meredes, Iveco. But we do not have such pickup trucks you get in the US. Also i am not sure whether and when we get the CT.
Considering that now the average old school car is over $40k, good luck in finding anything that doesn't suck in a truck that has similar capabilities.
Reported on "X", range extender is a mount battery pack in the bed of the truck to give more battery capacity overall. WTF you talking about Roman, "not fitting in garages"? Its 18 ft 7 inches long and 70 inches high (in low height setting)!
I would say the range extender would be an extra battery you can put in the bed for only an extra $16,000. The major problem is trucks are just getting too dam expensive. I bought a house for the price of a new truck not too long ago. . I wouldn't be able to replace my current truck right now if I needed to. It's worth more that I paid for it at this point.
Will it be a 48 volt system. 4 wheel steering? Will it have the same acceleration which is huge selling feature for so many. But it was a good point, made me think.
If I am in the market for a truck I could care less about the 0-60 speed, I am only interested in payload, towing capacity and range. What kind of range would I have if I added an additional 90-gallon fuel tank in the bed of say a ram 2500 with the Cummins diesel? How many batteries would you need to add to the cyber truck achieve the same range as the diesel?
My old Cummins gives me 20 mpg and I easily exceed 600 miles range while running empty with the standard 34 gallon tank. An extra 90 gallons of fuel would basically triple the range to 1800 miles. I hotshotted travel trailers with it for 3 years, and it gave me 8-12 mpg while towing trailers up to 13000 pounds. You can't add enough battery pack to an electric truck to get 1800 miles range without exceeding the vehicle's GVW limit. Once a vehicles curb weight equals its maximum allowable weight it becomes incapable of doing real work.
Hey Roman tell me how much the og rivian r1t quad motor announced at $67,500 originally when I'd debuted is today eh? Oh wait your son told us that 67k truck is now 91k and still charges slower, smaller bed, less quick 0-60mph and 1/4mile, less room etc vs the ct. 👍🏻😀 A 39k lightning pro in 2021 is now 51k+ the average ice pickup in 2023 is selling for almost 62k dude. Air suspension 17" of ground clearance, rws, 35s, drive by wire, 48v main architecture, 800+v charging with 130+miles back in 15mins, heat pump and octovalve, bio defense air filtration(matters for allergy suffers like me) castings, ss skin that's bullet resistant etc for the ct. None of the current ev or ice truck competition has ALL or really many of those features going for it! It's priced appropriately vs the competitions ev truck's. And will go down over time as the 4680s ramp up and cogs improves. Probably hits close to og pricing in late 2025 when the ev truck space should be much more mature and competitive. Uh and Lars the chief tesla engineer in Dec 2022 at the semi delivery event said ct will use the megachargers. So once the already rolling out v4s update with better transformers? 615kw charging will be unleashed and most new scers have pull through spots for towing. 😎
@@TFLtruck pathetic drivel just as expected from boomer big mouth Roman. No wonder y'all were not invited. Didn't rivian deny you guys access to?👍🏻😅 Knew you wouldn't respond to the rivian pricing difference or lightning or the ct class leading features Vs the other ev pickup competition.
Seriously. They'll probably only be a handful of specialized Tesla or Tesla approved body shops that will be able to take on a repair in the country. These may be the most easily totalled vehicle on the market because of how expensive it'll be to fix.
@CL-gq3no battery packs have to be inspected after wrecks to make sure they have been damaged, every manufacturer has a different system used to diagnose their batteries and some like Tesla block nearly all access to that information. This is why most insurers just total the vehicle.
I expect with the reservations it'll have 2 or 3 good sales years, depending on the production rate, before it reaches the point where everyone who wants one has one.
I expect they will be able to make a lot more of them a lot faster by then, making them much cheaper to produce. They will also have 2-3 year newer battery tech to work with by then. That means they will be able to tweak the value dial if they want.
It has over 2 million reservations. At a delivery rate of 100K per year it would only take 20 years to deliver them all. If you doubled the delivery rate it would only take 10 years. Do your self a favor and start using your calculator instead of your fingers.
@@TheBensonBadBoy It only managed to deliver 12 cybertruck this year. At this rate, how long? Remember the Tesla Semi? It deliver about 20 to Pepsi and now none has been produce since.
@@fjalicsThats the way I played it with the Model Y. Came out in 2019, and I bought mine in 2023. The price drop and assembly line maturity were what I was waiting for. Friend of mine bout one a couple months later.
The market the Cybertruck is targeting it's not the average truck owner, but the average Tesla or Rivian R1T costumer base. Beyond the hype, it's a standard unibody SUV with fancy Stainless steel panels, which will be mostly use to haul around groceries.
@@TimGrefer When they are newer. When they get older they are more likely to be used and abused as work trucks for private owners. But by then, the current BEV truck available, are already or obsolete or with faulty battery packs, in the scrapyard for parts.
@@RogerM88 150,000 mile warranty on the batteries and motors. No ICE manufacturer offers anything close to that on there trucks. So, I don't think longevity is going to be an issue. Plus, these days most people don't keep vehicles that long anymore. And every vehicle ends up at the scrapyard lol
I agree with you guys…….it’ll stand out like most of the 80’s sci-fi movie prop vehicles from Demolition Man or Total Recall…..Oozzz, ahhhhzzz…..then the thought of, so dumb!! Not to takeaway from the engineering feats of strength exercise, I think this also makes Rivian look like a better truck! The Rivian fits into life on Earth, not on Mars. 🤷🏻♂️ What do I know.
Coming from a guy who really likes the Cybertruck, many of the hyped up expectations have been diminished and now makes the Lightning's competitiveness remain strong. Base CT costs $11K more than base Lightning with same range. Lightning has dual motor AWD standard vs just RWD CT. Plus Lightning is faster. Cybertruck has a lot if compromises that won't suit truck buyers. So I thought the wedge shape was so that the Cybertruck would have unparalleled range fir a truck. Now it comes out and doesn't beat the square Lightning's range? And this is before we get to Silverado EV which has way more range than CT albiet a much bigger battery pack. Same with Ram EV.
You are paying 11k for the design. Cybertruck is a space truck meant to satisfy anyone who dreamed of owning a vehicle straight out of the movies Aliens and starship troopers. Just get a basic Ford or Toyota if you need it for work.
Only, that it is the most purposely designed consumer vehicle in modern history. The triangular profile, the stainless steel outer, all have a purpose contributing for it to be one of the best performing trucks ever made. I cannot wait to see how this will evolve as Tesla gets the production fully ramped and the supply chain does too and not to mention when the cyber battery tech evolves.
TFL challenge: Hitch any RV travel trailer (7000-10,000 lbs) to the Tesela truck and travel from a campground to another campground 250 miles away with a charge in between in under 6 hours compared to any combustion engine truck.
With the range extender pack that gets the Cybertruck roughly 470 miles, 250 miles sounds possible - also because per Hagerty, it's really efficient on how it puts its energy into motion.
What if it needs to charge once for 10 minutes while you go pee and/or get a water but you have half the cost of transport, you re in a safer vehicle, more functional more efficient and more performant?! You re thinking small
One big thing is the drag coefficient isn’t that great compared to a more normal looking truck like the rivian I thought the wild shape was for aero dynamics but they both get .3 drag
That is actually surprising. I didn’t believe you until I looked it up for myself. Those sharp transitions on the Cybertruck are not doing it any favors on that front.
The wild shape IS for aerodynamics, it is also for structural rigidity and because of the material choice that emphasizes durability and strength against impacts. Yes, they sacrificed some range and efficiency for 3mm thick super strong stainless steel body panels. This wasn’t just for fun, Tesla is always about reducing carbon emissions, and making vehicles that will last for many decades reduces carbon emissions. You can buy one Cybertruck or three Rivians, your choice.
@@billh2294 Gotta consider though, the Cybertruck is 4” wider. That explains things to me a bit better. If the Cybertruck were the same width as the Rivian, it would likely have less drag. That’s not to say the Rivian isn’t impressive, because it definitely is.
Considering the competition, the prices are really not surprising. A TRD Pro Tacoma is expected to be in the 60s, full size trucks get in the 80s now. Unfortunately it’s the new world we live in.
Precisely. New trucks are expensive. Electric vehicles are expensive. What part of an expensive new electric truck being expensive is surprising, exactly? -bZj
They can only charge that much because people keep paying that much. When people stop buying the prices will come down. Of course that will never happen.
@@brians.1357 deflation is actually worse, inflation is normal but the rate of inflation we’ve experienced in the last two years combined with increasing minimum wage while middle class wages stay the same and prices for everything going higher is why everyone is suffering.
It’s a huge disappointment from what was originally announced. Tesla had the chance to blow their competition out of the water but all they did was keep them in the running. I’ll be letting my reservation go and am already online pricing the lightning, they are sitting on the lots so it’s time to deal.
You can't get your reservation money back if your credit card number changed since the moment you preordered. Your money is most likely gone. Always a pleasure to get musked.
Huge disappointment for me on range/price. I placed my deposit for new cybertruck while hoping to buy a truck with range 500+ miles. Now they saying price for truck will be close to 100k and range 320mi. Here in NW I travel for work on my f350 over mountain passes year round for me range is crucial. Congratulations Ford, your costumer will continue to buy your trucks. BTW love my 2023 f350 HO platinum.
Sad, I cancelled my $100 reservation due to cost and range. I tow a lot and need that 500 mile original range. At 80% charge for battery longevity makes it 400 miles and reduce that by half when towing it would be around 200 miles. About 50 miles shy of my 6.7l cummins Ram.However, at a range of 340, yikes. I would be at a Supercharger all the time and having to unhook the trailer every-time I charge. Ugh
I haven't been following it, why did you preorder it? did they promise better numbers before? edit: somehow misread the post now I see they promised 500 mile range.
I'm going to wait till the towing reviews. I have a feeling the battery and platform will be a more efficient tower than other EV trucks we've seen. Still, it would need to blow me away for me to really keep the reservation.
This truck was promised to be $40K price and that's why it has 2 million reservations. However, it turns out the AWD starts at $79.99K before any options, just short of $80K Fed tax credit limit while the top of the line is $100K. The most affordable version is RWD and starts at $60K. That is still $20K above expected price. I think it will sell tens or a hundred thousands but most reservation holders will drop off, just like what happened to F150 Lightning when the entry price was over $10K above what was promised. For $80K to $100K, I would rather buy a Chevy Silverado EV or Rivian R1T or Ford F150 Lightning 2024. They look nice outside and luxurious and comfortable inside. Cybertruck is too minimalist design for me for such an expensive EV. Interior does not look luxurious for a $80K-$100K truck from the videos I watched on youtube.
I reserved an F150 Power boost about a month ago, which came to about $78,000. This is VERY comparable. I think I'll be getting this instead of the powerboost, as I can turn in my current Tesla m3 for this, vs keeping my m3 and also having the power boost.
We live in a VERY different world than 2019, anything from that period you can just forgot from any company. It's unrealistic to expect 2019 prices in 2023 and that's just the reality. In a vacuum its a very compelling truck, as long as you like the looks
that was really lame. specially since they said it broke because they threw the baseball a lot the previous day, couldn't they just get a new one and do it?.. ok I guess it would look really bad if it happened again lmao.
Yeah it looked like one of those kid baseballs that sorta bounces if you throw it against the ground, a solid baseball really doesn’t bounce unless it has a ton of force on it.
I heard that ground clearance is 17" on High setting, 17.44" in Extract Mode, standard battery is 123 kWh. Thanks for all the info. The Cyberbeast out pulled the Ford 350 Diesel and the other EV trucks by a long way. I've had one on order since 12/19, plan to buy the dual motor as originally ordered. It is more expensive than I had hoped for but competitive when you look at price and performance. Why even bring up the looks? For a truck especially, function over form. And please don't try to tell me other pickups look good/better. The CT at least has some style. One can only hope this vehicle will motivate a lot more truck folks to ditch their gas and diesel models, it's about time.
I will for sure be upgrading my 2006, 2500HD Diesel Chevy. It is my primary vehicle but I don't commute in it. I use it to tow my Jeep on average 60mi to play with it and occasionally use it to pull work trailers around our service area. I have zero doubt that when I take an occasional longer trip that I will not be hindered in any way by charging. I also recognize all the time I will save, not getting diesel all the time and not having to schedule and miss work to take it in for maintenance. As for the looks I am on the it looks Epic side. As an offroader, I appreciate built-in limb lifters and 'paint' that can't get Siearra Pin Stripes or start peeling in 4 years (Yeah, I'm looking at you mid 2000s Chevy white). I also like the fact that turning into a branch isn't going to dent it. I can't wait to see someone sending it offroad, while I don't plan to do more than tow my toy to thrash on, I think it is going to be a very capable of being used and abused.
with a 10k tow the range is most definitely charge station to charge station; probably 1/3 of their specs. None of that matters because realistically their real target customer is the type that is not going to tow anything 😉👍
The type that doesn’t tow anything covers the vast majority of truck buyers. Real world testing has pretty clearly shown that a truck’s range is reduced by half while towing something like a travel trailer, that is true for EV and combustion trucks.
@@steveandmichellemoravek6948 He's trying to say only "real men" tow things like skiddys and concrete culverts, girly men don't tow anything....bunch of posers.
Other worthy spec mentions your forgot to include in your comparison to ICE trucks: - Bi-directional charging, so able to power the house (from inside the garage with closed garage door), or power tools on jobsite - bioweapon defense mode with huge HEPA filter for work in harsh environments (e.g. vicinity to forest fires, dusty roads, smog in big cities) - autopilot and FSD-readiness (whenever the latter is going to materialize, I know, but still) - ability to play AAA videogames inside the truck at breaks/while charging - adjustable air suspension, so: massive ground clearance due to flat underside, with lowering capability to save energy for long distances or easy access to the bed. - huge panoramic glass roof -superior sound system, display, navigation software etc. All in all, the proposition of this truck is much more than any ICE competitor I see on offer right now. These things are either not available at all or would get the competition into price ranges way beyond the Cybertruck lineup, don't you think? Some things I'm disappointed about: - not available in Germany for the foreseeable future, maybe never, which is really a shame! - no 2nd LED strip across the top of the windshield - no compressed air outlet in the bed, as announced (really a shame for so many purposes, e.g. around mountainbiking, or some tools and jobs) - no mention of the ability to drive up on the bed with a quad. Everyone forgot about this, or what?! - no built in winch in the front, which I would have loved! Hopefully there'll be aftermarket solutions.
The cybertruck is not "surprisingly expensive", inflation is just "surprisingly high". This is what 11% inflation per year looks like, it adds up quickly. Blame the government, don't blame tesla.
So it was either going to break to break their battery pricing model or it would be a massive compromise. The 4680 cyber-batteries are a total bust. They are at least 25% less dense than described in 2019. So the just less than 500 mile range extension is a huge chunk out of the bed and $16k extra (also no $7.5k IRA)?
The 4680's are still evolving. Cybertruck's cells are at least 3rd generation and 10% more energy dense than previous ones. Your also forgetting that their energy density to cost ratio is less expensive than the competition and easier to manufacture. There is plenty more room for the 4680 to be everything they said it would.
@@landcruiser801 It is still work in progress. Stop hating on it....sheeeez. They are constantly improving their batteries and they are close to their original specs they wanted to hit. What a hater....
I really want to see you guys get a chance to test the cybertruck. I agree with the statement that a full-size truck is not for everybody. I live in rural Maine and drive a full-size pickup every day. In fact, I didn't want Tesla to shrink the original model at all. The $80K question is, can I live with the shorter range in the winter with Maine's highway speeds of 75 mph. They are both range killers.
Be interesting to see how it fairs in the real world. Watched the Joe Rogen demo with the bow and, while good, the broadhead was a poor choice to chow how an arrow can't puncture the skin. Broad heads have a built in failure point, the blades of the head. Great for show, but poor for demonstrating the puncture resistances of the metal panels. A field point would have been a better choice, has a sharp point and no flexing of the tip. However, I believe the body would have stopped the arrow easily even with the field point after seeing the bullet demo. Would have been more damage than with the broadhead, but probably no hole.
The range is a killer for me. Remember that Tesla recommends only charging to 80%, and my model S long range never gets anywhere near the rated mileage, so I am guessing 200 miles of range on a charge. My F350 easily gets 450 miles on a full tank. So for daily use it’s probably fine, but hauling a trailer across Texas, not so much.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 yeah, but you are going to need to replace your battery one hell of a lot earlier if you keep doing that. Even then, last time I charged mine to 100% it charged to 380 miles, quite a bit less than the advertised 408 miles. Car is only a year and a half old, always followed the charging advice before that charge. And of course the range advertised after a charge is hilariously off from real world use.
My MYLR Tesla is good for about 300 mi. rather than 330 mi. And I can pretty much get anywhere in Texas I need to go. The SC network is getting better every day . I think 75-80% of buyers couldn’t care less about towing, me included. I don’t know if I will take delivery or not, although I probably have 3-4 years to think about it. I ordered the dual motor AWD version.
Still love the truck, but was super disappointed by the range and price. Also the sliding windows for the doors opening and closing does not belong on a truck.
According to MKBHD, these Cybertucks will have a 123 kilowatt hour battery. But, you can get an accessory battery that will fit in the bed (for an additional $16,000), that will give you an extra 100-ish miles of range...
All said, I think it is really hard to look at this and not feel like it was false advertising. It did not deliver on range (originally 500+), it did not deliver on towing (originally 14k+), it did not deliver on lockable storage (67 vs 100+ cubic feet but who really knows what they were including), and most importantly they did not deliver on price (not that we should be surprised). It does appear this is becoming a bit more common, but companies like Tesla are taking real money for products that do not deliver on their claims. Maybe the truck is actually epic to drive and hugely capable, but until we see it in the real world I find it hard to trust anything about this truck.
So after all this hype the thing can't even out-tow a 3/4 ton truck built 23 years ago. It CAN tow as much as a beefy 1/2 ton, but unless there's a supercharger station every 75 miles on your journey to wherever, you can't reasonably use the thing. It won't fit in a toy hauler. It's too heavy and stiff for high-end off-roading. 🤷 I guess I don't know what this thing is for then. Heavy trucks offset the negatives of high fuel costs, high maintenance costs by the fact that they can earn money. They can be tools. This thing can haul a very small load of dirt or gravel, or it can tow a car across town, or it can haul an old sofa to the dump, but then it's pretty much done for the day and needs overnight to charge, or go live at the supercharger. A gas pickup truck from the 90's can do all that stuff all day long at 1/100th the price. You'd have to buy gas for that 90's truck for 20 years to arrive at the base cost of a Cybertruck. And when is that cyberyruck going to need a new traction battery? Idk, it's not very impressive and has many things nobody needs. 🚚
Ramp will take a while and max capacity is expected at 500 k / year. There will be plenty of time for people to not buy this “car”. Despite the obvious areas it falls short in comparison, it will sell out. This is basically a limited availability vehicle for a few years. By the time it hits mass production it will have a longer range and be cheaper (after accounting for inflation). Other improvements will come online, major flaws will be eliminated, EV adoption will increase (exponentially), charging will continue to improve, yada yada. Many vehicles are not meant for everyone, this one is more divisive than most (my family thinks it’s ugly, I like it). Initial impressions are valuable, but don’t think this release vehicle is the final chapter, it’s only the beginning.
@@covenant11 you could be correct about the CT (we’ll have to wait and see), but you are factually incorrect about other models. All other models have been decreasing in price.
@@andyharman3022 The Roadster was released in 2008, 15 years ago, so you could be correct. Tesla will have to make it to 2038 to prove you wrong. That’s a long time in company years. The Model Y will be the best selling car in 2023 (not EV, car), so the trend is definitely in Tesla’s favor.
Maybe a great truck for general city dwelling and use (bikes, a BBQ, maybe some 5 gallon cans once a day.) Towing an RV or box trailer?? maybe not with those mirrors. Power the tools from said box trailer for 8 hours, that would be something to test (especially for something like a welder or grinder).
At max draw 11kw you would get ~10hrs of %100 use rate ona a 123Kwh pack. Since ~%30 utilization is more likely, it would be more in the 30hr useful area. The amount of energy in the packs for driving is really high. Even big tools pale in comparison to propulsion.
That Ramcharger hybrid ev with Pentastar battery charger and 600 mile plus mile range 145 mile battery seems like the best system. Quick fill up and you're back on the road, can plug it in for a daily commutes, and I still don't understand how EV only trucks will be able to tow and hook up to chargers you will have to unhook your truck every 2 hours and charge for an hour...
Ramcharger (EREV) is not technically a hybrid, the Pentastar battery charger does not drive the wheels. More Pull through charging stations will solve the unhook problem.
Heard there's a range extended version of the Cybertruck. So perhaps a BMW i3 or Ram Charger type deal, where they have a compact generator delivering charge.
I agree the large battery range ( compared to plugin hybrids) let's you do all most all normal travel on EV only. Just using extender for long haul and towing more then 50 miles. Keeps battery cost and weight down. RamCharger also looks like best option for 5th wheel so far. Others except maybe Ford are limited to bumper pull.
@@PhotoHoag Not 5th wheel - these are light duty trucks - Heavy duty BEV pickup trucks (3/4 and 1 tonne) are not yet in production. That is the reason the EV pick up trucks do not have numbers in the name I.E 1500, 2500 and 3500
I agree with everything in this video. I was expecting something closer to a 3/4 ton. And got a 1/2 ton with only 5 seats. The 6th seat was incredibly important to me, and for some reason no electric trucks offer that. The only redeeming feature of the CT is the quad steer, which ironically wasn’t even one of the original specs. I’ll keep my reservation for now. Maybe by the time they get to it in 3 years they’ll have a 6th seat option. Even if the other failings aren’t addressed, it wouldn’t be a horrible purchase.
Pull the dent, bondo it, give it a wrap. But I guess that defeats the purpose of the stainless. Although not sure I get what the purpose is anyways. A friend cleans her DeLorean with a can of Bartenders Friend, so I guess there’s that.
I dont get why you would want to have more weight when it affects the range and performance, why not have an aluminum body, it would be more complimentary.
There are a lot of reasons. You'd need to learn a bunch about the properties of metal to understand. It would take a lot longer to explain than a YT post.
My requirements are more geared to truck abilities. I assume Cyber truck can tow a 20,000 lb payload for 300-350 miles, then receive a charge in 3-5 minutes to tow 20,000 lbs for another 300-350 mi. If it cannot, it's a really impressive car shaped like a truck with a lot of social cool factor. That's fine for those that want a cool grocery getter or home center weekend warrior.
@@johnzbikowski2318 lol. Litterally nobody needs a pick up to do what you described. Cybertruck will suddisfy 90-95% of pick up truck use cases while being the best overall truck by safety, efficiency, functionality and performance. reason why it will be the best selling truck in the US within 5-6 years
If you scroll down to the very last image slider below where it says KEEP THE ADVENTURE GOING the range extender is the last image in that slider. Looks like it is just additional batteries stored in the bed much like we thought Ford's in-bed range extender would be.
Let's see this pile be as practical and reliable as my 2015 Xterra Pro-4X. Now at 104,000 miles, has been driven through blizzards and Las Vegas summers, and has had only two minor warranty issues and not a single breakdown whatsoever.
I've had an 05 XTerra SE 4x4 with 165,000+ miles for a while, and I still love that truck to death. That said, I would love to see the CT traverse across the Utah wilderness, and judging by the size of the bed and the frunk that fits golf clubs, it's definitely more cargo practical than our XTerras.
Not trying to be a hater. I would not want one for many reasons. Now I am going to not even go into the charging, towing and range issues. It's the safety issues with the truck. What if you are in a serious accident? No door handles, hardened glass and a stainless steel body. The 1st responders will have trouble getting it open if you need to be extracted in an accident. If you have ever tried to cut or drill stainless steel you know how difficult it is. So you're in your truck you get hit there is a fire the electrical system is knocked out how do you open the door to escape? I would also like to see the crash test results. Modern cars have crumple zones to absorb the kinetic energy in an accident. If this truck is so stiff and rigid it will lead to more of that energy being transferred to the occupants of the vehicle. Leading to more internal injuries.
Agreed, and if it hits another car it’s like a moving brick wall or tank with this kind of steel body, which just doesn’t make sense. Just makes the road more dangerous for the rest of us.
If you watch anyone trying to climb into the front seat, everyone almost bashes their heads on the top of the windshield because of how steeply raked that it is. Yeah, that won't get old fast...
@@Tool0GT92 I don't think he's implying that people will continually bash there head into it, but they'll get tired of having to hunch over really far every time they climb in compared to a normal truck that you would never have to. Have you ever gotten into the rear seat of a model 3? I took one for an Uber and hit the side of my head so hard on the door sill. It was way lower than any car I've ever gotten into. And I'm only 5'11".
I was hoping @tfl had a model for an ike review already! Can't wait for the test. Hope you can get both with and without range extender battery. Please talk about fith wheel modification potential.
