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Dr. Jordan Peterson and John McWhorter exchange ideas on the field of linguistics, how language affects our worldview, music, children’s capacity to learn languages, race problems in the US, virtue signaling, wokeism, Chomsky’s universal grammar, and more.
John McWhorter is an associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University. Professor McWhorter is an author of more than a dozen books including ‘The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language,’ ‘Losing the Race: Self Sabotage in Black America’ and ‘Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue: The Untold History of English.’ He’s also a regular contributor to publications like The New Republic and The Atlantic.
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@rjchavers9267
@rjchavers9267 2 года назад
I'm interested in hearing more between these men. As an American, this is one of the most important discussions to be had in our country. We need open, honest discussion.
@johnblaze8092
@johnblaze8092 2 года назад
Being honest would mean admitting that diversity is not a strength and acting on that fact. There is no data suggesting that it is a strength for anyone but those pushing this nonsense to divide and conquer certain countries.
@younggeezer8232
@younggeezer8232 2 года назад
Good luck on open honesty from the left.
@theBaron0530
@theBaron0530 2 года назад
We had open, honest discussion, up until Obama took office. The fact that a black man could get elected to the highest office in our country should have been the last nail in the coffin of "institutional racism". But Obama and his party revived the concept and used it to propagandize black Americans and keep them voting Democrat. The rhetoric has only gotten worse, as the Left/progressives felt new strength.
@yourgrandmashouse1970
@yourgrandmashouse1970 2 года назад
You’re not wrong Geezer but it’s fairly easy to push the collective mind of society to understand an important truth and what makes it true.
@dustinwatkins7843
@dustinwatkins7843 2 года назад
@@yourgrandmashouse1970 haha yeah, alright, I find that extremely dubious and almost ridiculous
@bobbythespaceghost9934
@bobbythespaceghost9934 2 года назад
I've been on the same page with John's perspective for a long time. I don't reject or discount what happened and the results. I reject the exaggeration of racism and living within that exaggeration. Great perspective.
@morgainenyc
@morgainenyc 2 года назад
No you reject racism. I’m certain you have no idea what entailed in America.
@josephtravers777
@josephtravers777 2 года назад
The exaggeration is propelled by a system that profits from it. It's major proponents are elitists.
@MechAdv
@MechAdv 2 года назад
Same here dude. But in my case, I figure it’s different for 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant kids that aren’t white, and have seen what work ethic and societal investment has done for our families. I’m 3rd generation Mexican-Cuban and my grandfather was a butcher, my father owns an auto repair shop, and I am a mechanical engineer. Never in my life have I felt like I was held back by anything but my natural talent and my will to convert those talents into marketable skills. Engineering school was miserable. 4-5 hours of sleep every night, 8 hours of commuting per week, working to pay bills, and incredible academic rigor. I wanted to quit every day. I chose to keep going and now I have a good career. Makes it extremely hard to have a lot of sympathy for those who say the system is keeping them down.
@mikethewise2000
@mikethewise2000 2 года назад
@@degui1224 In 2022 a black man can be president, be General of the Army, be a CEO of a fortune 500, go to any university in the country work in any position they desire, in 2022 America, are we all going to sit here and pretend the country hasn't changed at all from 1940?????
@aidanbelford7439
@aidanbelford7439 2 года назад
@@degui1224 This way of thinking is dangerous. You’re not even black, yet you’re going to generalize the population. And certainly, when you have almost 13% (a very small amount) of the population that typically resides in the same poor neighborhoods around cities, then obviously they will share similar stories. This doesn’t mean you can generalize their thoughts though.
@bobjohnson3940
@bobjohnson3940 2 года назад
Refreshing to hear someone dive into race with nuance and thought. It sounds fresh though it should be standard. A few things. not so long, just a few years back I noticed a lot of people writing "Racism is learned" sort of on memes with an image of peacefully interacting young people. Easy enough statement to agree with, fast forward to today you find institutions literally teaching racism. In fact the net result of the inclusivity and diversity training is probably more racism, or at the very least tension. As a younger man in high school I remember a distinct experience. I was friends with essentially everyone of multiple races, most of my friends centered around playing basketball because that's what I did. One day I was chatting with a buddy who happened to be black and he said, "It's not that we don't like white people, it's that nothing feels like it's really ours." I instantly knew what he meant, this was around 2003ish and race relations on the whole in the U.S. were good and ever improving. He said all he wants is a shot at making his way in the world. He wasn't playing the victim, he wasn't saying it to imply he doesn't have a shot, he said it like he knew that's exactly what he was doing. Racism is definitely taught in modern day. Thousands of years ago with tribes of all kinds being relatively the same skin tone, seeing a different tone may jar you. We don't have that today, and I went my entire life viewing people as people without anyone every telling me or giving me a course or anything, there was never any tension, and no one was guilty of anything. Fast forward to today and like... this desire to separate and teach race and skin tone on a foundation of actual real live injustice on a rampant level is just, well to me it spells an alternative motive. It's the lowest hanging fruit and everyone's taking a bite.
@iunderstanphotography2780
@iunderstanphotography2780 2 года назад
you grew up in a way that most of us should have, together with diverse people and open minds. There are people who work hard to make sure this doesn't happen or that it only occurs to a point
@bobjohnson3940
@bobjohnson3940 2 года назад
@@iunderstanphotography2780 It's been an interesting life. I say now as my 'philosophy' both as a forward looking statement and an overview of how I've been.. and that's just to be whatever change you'd like to be in the world. If more and more people, hell, all people saw skin color as something that was like hair color, eye color, and other features of course with the added culture and historical context but, still. setting that aside and treating people by how they present their self as a whole then... that's just how it would be.
@IpsissimusPrime
@IpsissimusPrime 2 года назад
I admire John for speaking his truth to blind collective ignorance in his community. In my experience growing up in poverty as a hispanic in the 60's, I was bullied, not just by the white folks for being incredibly intelligent, but also by my own kin and neighbors for being a "Poindexter/Book Worm" until I fought back. I vowed to show them what was what. I would "walk my talk." I dare to say that there's a lot of "cultural learning" within the community itself (be it black or hispanic - spare me the Latin-X categorization!) that needs to be let go, especially having lived in a predominantly black neighborhood myself while growing up. A fair amount of this (though certainly not all of it) in my experience originates in organized religion, and Christianity specifically --regardless of denomination -- and the expectation that someone else ("Jesus") is coming to save you, even if it's an apocalypse, and you're the one getting saved. Please. No one is coming to save us. And that includes many of our social and academic institutions -- the ones who promised that poor little hispanic kid the world. It's ultimately up to the individual, and this is the real mystery of life - that fact that it's an unavoidable struggle for Truth. Not the word but the reality of it. It's a "Soul" thing. And the process is irrevocably tied to not only creating order out of chaos but destroying that which needs to be destroyed -- and that often means the cultural and collective ties that one is born into. More often than not, I've witnessed it manifest as estrangement from family and cultural heritage. It doesn't have to be that way but then we're talking about an awful lot of work, which may well divert one from getting on with it. Maybe some folks get lucky and get to keep those ties. I didn't. I got to create my own family with whom I had more shared values (not all of them! LOL Family being family :)). And even more importantly, I kept my intellectual curiosity and drive and achieved far more than I ever would have, had I blindly accepted what not only the haters said but the seemingly well-intentioned advice the supposed mentors and authority figures had for me -- to accept my lot and not strive too hard for what I most likely couldn't achieve. Cause after all the talk, the expectation was that I would fail. And here I am. Blessed beyond words. "Woke" for real !!! And let me tell you unreservedly, that has been the best revenge !!
@IpsissimusPrime
@IpsissimusPrime 2 года назад
@@ajp8849 is this a joke? Spamming me on BTC/ETH investments? I KNOW this isn't Dr Peterson. Gimme a fucking break!
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@IpsissimusPrime
@IpsissimusPrime 2 года назад
@@pirupami9746 hey there, I did look him up and found what he has to say interesting because he espouses openness to our realities, with an emphasis, IMO, on kindness. However, I don’t think that there is no meaning to life. We just don’t know why we’re here. Hence the collective emphasis on religion, in the West especially. And think about the fact that one man, whether real or mythical - Abraham- gave rise to three different religions that “fundamentally “ cannot relate. In many ways, this reality is like a purgatory, if not an outright hell. There are many examples of union with a unknown seemingly higher power by many mystics in the past, and I am speaking about mystics of many different “faiths”. The forgotten element is prayer. Yep. That simple. And yet not really. The hypocrisy of those who claim to be the righteous ones, always in a public setting, is that they don’t have the first clue. Learn how to pray. “Alone with the alone”. Read Corbin if you can. And that’s only from an Islamic perspective. As for the “noise”, which mythically led to “ the great flood”, in more than one religious/mythical sense, learn to ignore it. This is not an easy task to be clear. But it’s necessary in order to see past the morass of collective thought. That same collective force which leds to “woke-ism” and cancel culture - the current terms attempting to describe something which is far older, and recurrent in history. If this sounds lke cryptic nonsense, then you’re not ready. “Haven’t done your homework.” That’s all I’m able to say.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up Martin Butler
@IpsissimusPrime
@IpsissimusPrime 2 года назад
@@pirupami9746 Butler is relevant, especially what he has to say in The Corporeal Fantasy. I would recommend you read up on Pre-Socratic philosophy --especially Empedocle's views if you're not aware of them because he discusses the importance of paying attention to sensory awareness. In this sense, a lot of folks are 'asleep" as Butler describes. And it's because they're not actively processing their sensory awareness. This is the key to mystical awareness. But it's obviously not easy to do. Reading and learning about ideas is one thing, while processing these ideas and finding workable solutions is completely different. This is why Dr Peterson is so impactful. Individually, through his own process of development, and then through his work as a clinical psychologist, he possesses a wider understanding of the human condition than most. But ultimately we all have to undertake these "processing" steps ourselves. The prioritization of outer experience, and the importance of Ideas, often those of "Others" (whether they are scientific, religious, or political (!)), is given the ultimate primacy in Western Culture, and unfortunately draws one away from the "Inner Person". This is not something that can be shared or transferred to a person through a book, a lecture, or a one-on-one conversation. It must be personally experienced. It reminds me of the ridiculous unfortunate comments made in 2012 by Neil DeGrasse Tyson about Islam, speaking about Al-Ghazzali's writings specifically, being responsible for the decline of Science. The same folks who experienced a Golden Age while the Western World (and Christianity specifically as a world view) was in decline. He read Al Ghazzali (likely THE INCOHERENCE OF PHILOSOPHERS) but didn't "get it" and then spewed his opinion, based on his own Scientism.
@Godwinsname
@Godwinsname 2 года назад
I've been discriminated against. As such I know it's really, really hard to distinguish (in general!, sometimes it's really clear) between a: discrimination based on the trait, b: someone just having a bad day and c: someone just disliking you for other reasons. Really, really hard to know.
@blackquiver
@blackquiver 2 года назад
@Godwinsname A .. if your traits as an individual r being discriminated by a Marxist. It's racist.. It's fascit to shut anyone down for an opinion from anyone's mouth for the exception of being in privet entities.. B, some who has a bad day and decided to target u or someone's els in any compactly because that individual is having a bad day, obviously that idiots can't think clearly and is brain washed to think it's ok to act out with revolution Marxisum.. C. Ppl who don't like u.. Than mabe u should question y..?. That's not a well enough defined question to give a probable answer.
@lexifresh1552
@lexifresh1552 2 года назад
So true
@TrillEverything
@TrillEverything 2 года назад
True!!!
@Yui-ee9mw
@Yui-ee9mw 2 года назад
I have the same question for most asians, a lot of asians think they get discriminated, but i would ask is it just a bad person with bad temper. I got yelled at by a white man when i ride a bike on street. I don't take it as discrimination, just a mere bad manner.
@Woodsaras
@Woodsaras 2 года назад
Exactly. These stpd people project the motive too easily and with zero evidence.
@martibell7937
@martibell7937 2 года назад
John McWhorter has put it into words. There is the sense that most of the outrage is artificially produced and promoted to the ends of unquestioned power for the groups that manipulate it.
@TrillEverything
@TrillEverything 2 года назад
Not artificially produced. It's exaggeration. But when you live in a society where you are a minority, it is easy to think people ALWAYS see your minority status...and exclude you or mistreat you upon that difference. And if you are in wrong environment, you can have an exaggerated experience. Being born in Boston in 1962, I saw an incredible amount of racism. And John is spot on! It lasted until about 1991. For me it lasted until 1994 when I left the trades. And it's not like these people are dead. They may be less racist today, but they are still not excited if their grand daughter brings home a black guy. We all need to be more honest. We all can do better.
@martibell7937
@martibell7937 2 года назад
@@TrillEverything Good comment. Also, people tend to gravitate to others of their own kind, not just race, but class and cultures and subcultures. I don't think that's racism, but something that happens all over the world and has to do with comfort. But I think that can be mistaken for racism when a person is in a minority. That's when people start being worried about microaggressions, etc., because they don't quite feel accepted as part of another group, or like they are understood. I think all people should make greater efforts at making others feel welcome.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@spacemooseable
@spacemooseable 2 года назад
I would absolutely love to hear this same discussion with Thomas Sowell.
@TrendElement
@TrendElement 2 года назад
I am waiting for the era when this channel has 5 bilion subscribers and 200 bilion views. I always enjoy serious talk. Everything should hear this conversations in they're life for relaxation and consciousness improvement.
@timwhite5562
@timwhite5562 2 года назад
"virtue is difficult to obtain." And THERE'S the life's truth at the heart of birth of the entire SJW/woke cancelling culture of today's keyboard warriors. Virtue signaling is the misguided and lazy attempt to do an end run around the lifetime of principles, discipline and sacrifice that the truly "virtuous" posses. He's right, it is hard, that's why so few obtain it, most of us have to settle for trying to be decent, and even in that I personally often fall short. Our current cultural scoffs at delayed gratification, they believe that wisdom and morals are things that they possess fully formed out of the womb. Any challenge to that worldview is slammed as "shaming" or comes from a perception born of white privilege. It's so lazy that it doesn't even really require that you think the right things, only that you say them often and loudly enough to demonstrate that you know what they are. This view seems to have crossed the line from ideology to theology, and "cancelling" is their sacrament. It is both a show and the article of faith. In 380CE the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire. It wasn't very long before Christians went from persecuted to the ones doing the persecuting. Back then you would go to the town square and hurl rocks at the heathen or sinner. This new religious cult does it too, only now the rocks are Tweets. While it certainly doesn't put your immediate survival at risk the way a stoning does, it's intent and motivation behind it is one in the same. They NEED to have an apostate to burn, because when you lower the bar of virtue to such a degree, the need to cast stones becomes even more important. You need to have the unvirtuous to hold up if only to demonstrate you're not one of them. It's enough to make anyone with a shred of conscientiousness want to give up and hide. I think McWhorter is being fat too charitable in his opinion that they're not doing it because they're lazy, I absolutely think they are so. No, I don't think the want to be so, but that doesn't change anything. Most addicts don't want to be addicted, they didn't start out with that as a goal, none the less...
@user-im1gi1rw2j
@user-im1gi1rw2j 2 года назад
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs 𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳 ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ;
@TheHawkssong
@TheHawkssong 2 года назад
Very good interview, thank you Jordan for having John McWhorter, please have him again.
@berea2258
@berea2258 2 года назад
As a male in his 20 this channel is one of the reasons that i can still hope for a future
@sebastianalegria3401
@sebastianalegria3401 2 года назад
I have a feeling that Racism, as a concept is just using for certain politic groups, and like Denzel Washington said; "it's not colour, it's culture". So what happens goes beyond Race.
@johnbedell2376
@johnbedell2376 2 года назад
Chris Wallace: “How do we end racism?” Morgan Freeman: “Stop talking about it.”
@claygilchrist632
@claygilchrist632 2 года назад
It was his dad, Mike Wallace, who asked MF the question. But yes, I think Freeman was 100% correct.
@terencestrong
@terencestrong 2 года назад
So denial is the answer...gotcha...
@terencestrong
@terencestrong 2 года назад
@Satoshi Nakamoto No that's literally the definition: In psychoanalytic theory, denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
@terencestrong
@terencestrong 2 года назад
@Kathryn Wilson Society has gotten better and I agree racism should not be exaggerated but at the same time racism is very very real and has very real consequences to already traumatized groups. Again the problem is that white people have a monopoly of power so their shadow projections are more easily internalized by less powerful groups. I do not believe that racism is the biggest issue for African-Americans but I do believe historical trauma and internalized low self concept is the biggest issue, racism from white people is just the icing on the trauma cake.
@terencestrong
@terencestrong 2 года назад
My mom who is only 59 years old, spent the first years in her life in an apartheid like system in the south where she was not able to drink water from certain fountains, go to school with white people, go to non-colored bathrooms, etc. That was her first 7 years of life. She was also harassed by the Klan....that will have an impact on her and how she raises her own children.
@Cinderella227
@Cinderella227 2 года назад
Your guest is correct regarding racism. Racism does exist but not everyone is racist. It’s time to move forward and stop feeding the racism monster. Thank you Jordan for making youtube worthwhile. Luv ya ❤️✝️❤️
@islandbuoy4
@islandbuoy4 2 года назад
i disagree ... racism is related to the 'shadow' and everybody has a shadow ... thus it is time to acknowledge the shadow monster
@Cinderella227
@Cinderella227 2 года назад
@@islandbuoy4 I acknowledge and respect your disagreement. Racism displays hate, fear and ignorance. Almighty God created different races for a reason but hate isn’t one of them. ✝️
@Cinderella227
@Cinderella227 2 года назад
@@hnewc1919 WE are ALL one body in CHRIST./Galatians. WE are NOT to intermix into marriage with NONBELIEVERS. Not only have you missed the point but you are misinterpreting scripture. Also, the OT required sacrifice but in the NT Christ was the sacrifice because I already know you are referencing the OT which you are misinterpreting. Furthermore, WE are ALL mixed races no one is pure anymore/not since Noah’s flood. Other races are your neighbors and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. ✝️
@Cinderella227
@Cinderella227 2 года назад
@@hnewc1919 Actually, your lack of love and knowledge goes against God’s design. ✝️
@Cinderella227
@Cinderella227 2 года назад
@@hnewc1919 Yeshua Hamashiach was a Jew are you going to separate yourself from Him. He wasn’t white, black, Asian or Latino. His color was olive skin tone close to latino skin. Just saying… since you are so concerned with the race thing and all. 😉🙋🏻‍♀️
@Danimal619
@Danimal619 2 года назад
They're both right. There are people who use this narrative as a crutch and an excuse from their laziness and conversely there are others who propagate this for virtue - to seem like better people. Very interesting and the two combined nailed it beautifully.
@Opinionated-By54nder
@Opinionated-By54nder 2 года назад
Life is hard enough, without dumb excuses...
@acksonmwinsasaisha8057
@acksonmwinsasaisha8057 2 года назад
I’ve been waiting for Jp to have this conversation with an African-AMerican. Love it!
@jakehayes1345
@jakehayes1345 2 года назад
Wow... this is an excellent conversation! I need to watch the entire video.
@michaelhiggins2562
@michaelhiggins2562 Месяц назад
Another great conversation from Jordan!
@johnburke4931
@johnburke4931 2 года назад
Black people can succeed in the west, it happens all the time. Just because the majority don’t, doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It takes hard work and dedication to go to university and land a good job. That doesn’t just apply to black people, it applies to everyone. The problem isn’t with the system, it’s with the parents. As parents, it’s our duty to encourage our children to study hard and be successful. Not all of them will, that’s just life unfortunately.
@runoz2839
@runoz2839 5 месяцев назад
🙌🙌🙌
@hanlie407
@hanlie407 2 года назад
I like this i am asian and here in NL i have never experience any racist.
@leftandrightarewrong3957
@leftandrightarewrong3957 Год назад
NPR reported that health outcomes improve when providers and patients are "racially, linguistically, and cohertedly" similar.
@TyTalks2020
@TyTalks2020 2 года назад
It always seems weird to me how people speak around Master vs Slave but never seem to acknowledge it. Racism is complicated because of Slave Morality. We had a definition of racism and it has been bent and twisted in order for Slaves to 'become virtuous without the effort.' Racism is: the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another Racism has become: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized It has changed only recently because of Slave Morality and their love of redefinition. Their love of the fallacy 'Moving the Goalposts.' Where we once had a definition but that wasn't good enough because Racism faded as time went on since it's a failed belief. But that's not good enough for Slaves. They NEED to keep that word alive to keep knocking people down with it. That's why they changed the definition. As said by the New York Times no less. "As a student at Drake University in Des Moines, Ms. Mitchum had noticed in discussions about racism that white people sometimes defended their arguments by cutting and pasting the definition from the dictionary." Well no shit. You call someone a racist and they respond with the definition to defend themselves against your accusation. That's how it works. But instead of admitting that you may be wrong, you decide to complain and have the definition changed in order to fit your agenda. You're a racist. I'm actually not because I don't fit the criteria. THAT'S NOT FAIR. CHANGE THE CRITERIA!!!! Imagine if they did this with crimes? I accuse you of murder! Well no one has died so it can't be murder. I DON'T CARE IF NO ONE DIED, I'M STILL ACCUSING YOU OF MURDER.
@Griot-Guild
@Griot-Guild 2 года назад
Attempted manslaughter
@criticalthinker8374
@criticalthinker8374 2 года назад
Yet every white society is at the top of the best quality of life rankings and every black society is at the bottom of the rankings. Now you can't claim whites and blacks possess the same qualities, unless you lie or are ignorant.
@TyTalks2020
@TyTalks2020 2 года назад
@@criticalthinker8374 I can easily claim it without lying or arrogance. Sorry that you're racist and came up with a false premise as an argument. 🤷‍♂
@robbhays8077
@robbhays8077 2 года назад
This guy nailed it. Racism still exists. It was institutional. But to continue posturing as if we are living in the Antebellum South is worse than useless.
@robbhays8077
@robbhays8077 2 года назад
We are at the front of a new institutionalization of racism, but not against minorities: against whites.
@user-im1gi1rw2j
@user-im1gi1rw2j 2 года назад
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs 𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳 ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ;
@NoName-zn1sb
@NoName-zn1sb Год назад
"Dr. Jordan Peterson and John McWhorter exchange ideas..." It's _Dr._ John McWhorter, TYVM!
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 Год назад
Ok. That was a good point and observation.
@ericworthamii6945
@ericworthamii6945 2 года назад
Excellent discussion.
@Amiator99
@Amiator99 2 года назад
“Not Your Grandmother’s Racism” would be a good name for his book.
@musicsnob4226
@musicsnob4226 Год назад
I love this guys take on things.
@burleybater
@burleybater 2 года назад
If one is to consider taking a deep dive into the extended history of Washington Dc's Dunbar high school, going backward from, say, 1960 to the turn of the century, this turns up some fabulous facts, figures, statistics, just a whole host of numbers all of which tell many amazing stories. This school was always hovering just below a complete 100% black. It's success rates in education, graduation, higher education placement and all kinds of markers of success, were off the charts when compared with the present. True, some of its teachers (all Black) taught there while in possession of PHDs, and although they were certainly motivated and inspired, they taught at Dunbar often enough because even their PHDs were not reason enough to allow them in the doors in places of alternative opportunity. Dunbar wasn't even elite. The children of janitors, domestic help, and a wide swath of blue collar employment, all attended there. And when the Civil Rights era began to crowd Dunbar, Dunbar folded. The school itself still exists. But in no way, shape or form, designed to follow its original function within the Black community. Which a very strange part of the story. Mostly because it was not white America that attacked or closed up shop on Dunbar. No. It was the Black community itself. Perhaps they didn't want to have an almost exclusively segregated school. Which is a reasonable take. But it breaks the readers heart, when discovering that Dunbar students thrived within the institution, not because they "acted white." Nope. They thrived because no-one was telling the that authentic Blackness did nor follow the form and function of a rigorously educated foundation going forward into young adulthood. This was so well established that it was as much cultural as anything else. Talk about Black Pride. The hallways reeked with the stuff. And why not? Look what we can do? We can out-perform whitey. (And they often did.) And now that's a shame and an embarrassment? "Kid. You can't be too much of a smart-ass. Because we really, really need you to be an activist for the cause. All you need to know is a few memorized slogans." (And there are far, far more white liberals yapping up this tree than many more critically-minded Black parents, thinkers, and just plain folk who have good reason to be suspicious- of so very much more than just this tired old soft bigotry of low expectations, and the eternally corrupted babysitting methodology of hand-patting, placating, dumbing down, number-crunching apologies for inevitable failure, built into the design, but not at all the "systemic" that so many surface thinkers imagine the cause to be. It's just bad educational practice. I mean, why is it that a Black Nigerian slips through this "systemic" supposed negative reaction to skin color like a knife through butter, and emerges from the other side of Big Ed all ready to go? (Well no, it's not THAT skin.) Really? We've had a solid 6 decades of accumulated national shame. It drives me nuts, to think of the collectively added figures of systemic illiteracy. I was a dumb bunny. Then I learned to read. Then I learned to read better. Then I learned to read really well. Then I learned to read sort of like with the ease that Louis Armstrong found the right notes hidden inside of only three valves? How did he do that? Or how Roberto Clemente channeled his inner baseball barbarian and sang and danced his way most sublimely, athletically, across the splendor of the grass. And fondled that bat into horsehide spheres 3000 times' worth of safe hits. OKay, I'm getting a little bit poetically carried away here, but my point is that there is a gatekeeper to better things but for the effort. That it has to matter and it is important. Only when it isn't....well. So when an identity thumbs its nose at all of this? And won't take the dare? the challenge? Because the payoff and the outcome are not commensurate to the effort? The guarantee of a hedged bet? Make it easy and then maybe I'll play? I don't wanna beat on nobody. I want literacy buried back into the heart of the culture. Why? Because you drown a long time and real slow without it. Tell me I'm wrong.
@aaroncrandal
@aaroncrandal 2 года назад
You have more in common with your economic class than gender, religion or race. The only protected class we see consistent bias with reasonable justification is age.
@mochamommyATX
@mochamommyATX 2 года назад
We can't change other people's minds. Live your life
@Die-CastMetal
@Die-CastMetal 2 года назад
Even if racism could be ended, humans will find other reasons to discriminate against each other.
@DavidKFZ
@DavidKFZ 2 года назад
Of course, just look at football matches. People will always be at each other's throats
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 года назад
This.
@abundance5767
@abundance5767 2 года назад
Yup. Just look at Japan and how a genetically identical people divided themselves into clean and unclean people based on occupation and property ownership.
@whiteflagrage
@whiteflagrage 2 года назад
As they already do...
@djonfonsteen6331
@djonfonsteen6331 2 года назад
Class and economics is a huge influence too. There are many clubs in the UK where class and solvency is the main reason for refusal of membership. Colour of skin is just another layer.
@conkerlive101
@conkerlive101 2 года назад
This channel is an absolute pleasure. I cannot thank you enough everyone involved. You are all truly making the world a better and more educated place.
@janellesundby3799
@janellesundby3799 2 года назад
Agreed, this is the difference needed in the world.
@anomaly3110
@anomaly3110 2 года назад
and free! also everyone has access to these!!! I'm so happy seeing him dude I'm high but I'm here I love him0
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@mijlaid
@mijlaid 2 года назад
@@pirupami9746 Not even on the same level. Nothing said that hasn't been said before with no exploration or explanation as to how he came to his conclusions. Search out those that teach/want you to think rather than tell you WHAT to think.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
@@mijlaid Like Martin Butler?
@SML783
@SML783 2 года назад
Very eloquent guest. Speaks truth to the issue of Race not just in America but here in South Africa as well.
@oscar1748
@oscar1748 2 года назад
Yes...and...there's racism everywhere...
@LeavingBabylon_
@LeavingBabylon_ 2 года назад
Find Erec Smith, a black professor of Rhetoric in the USA speaking against this also. He has done some interviews with Benjamin Boyce, one quite recently.
@conceptcs
@conceptcs 2 года назад
The only way to shut racists up is to prove them wrong, NOT TO PROVE THEM RIGHT.
@deejayjuicebox7623
@deejayjuicebox7623 2 года назад
Yeah cause Africans love blacks from America. 😆
@nojuice457
@nojuice457 2 года назад
this guy is very hard to listen to. there is so much wrong here that its hard to know where to start. there is no institutional racism against non-whites in the united states, or in the wider western world. there are laws written to specifically benefit non-whites at the direct expense of whites. these countries are almost all losing their white majority at the same time. if there were "institutional racism", how do these things occur simultaneously or just each on its own? also, give specific modern day examples. the "inequities" are not a result of racist attitudes. they are a result of genetics and the extended phenotype. arguing that echoes from the past are a current issue is a "pose" to mitigate personal responsibility of the black individual, the black parent, and the black community as a whole, specifically their horrendous leaders and excuse making speakers, like this guy. the portion about wasting your life basically attempting to blame whitey for your ills is on point, but then again, what did you just do the minute before you said that. he is hedging. the truth about black kids not doing as well on standardized tests is because they have a lower average iq. plain and simple. this guy obviously has a higher iq and either projects it onto others, expecting the same out of them or is in denial of the plain fact that there is a full standard deviation difference between blacks and the national average iq levels. the real problem here is calling that fact "racist", or implying that a person that would say such a thing "racist". thems the breaks kid. like my black buddies would say "it is what it is." all of this talk about the "test is racist" is the left's brand of racism of lower expectations. the real problem here is changing standards to accommodate blacks instead of funneling iq variations into where they fit. color shouldnt matter. performance is all that matters. if you cannot pass a standardized test, it isnt because of your skin color, its because you either simply do not possess the aptitude or didnt put in the work required. the issue comes in when blacks fail en masse, and the egalitarians cannot explain it away and must resort to fixing the thing that proves their worldview inadequate by lowering the standards. saying that the tests are racist in todays world is likely more a derivative of the cultural marxism (ideological subversion, critical theory, or active measures - whatever label you would like to place on it) that we are experiencing which seeks to enforce an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy on our society so that they can gain power through the echo chambers of the left, than a plain excuse for why failure is prominent. i do not think that this guy is even aware of its existence. by "pose", he means that its a way to excuse black failure at every level of societal measure by claiming racism. watch the news. it isnt about racism. its about genetic dispositions and plain inequality in the phenotypical level between the different human phenotypes. you want to claim there isnt phenotypical differences and that we are all the same? explain the NBA. the NBA is an example of a closed and complete free market system that rewards value with dollars. they do not care what color you are, or if you are still basically a child. they dont care if you were poor or what situation you are from. they will reward the best basketball players with the most money. period. now explain why the player base in the NBA is consistently ~75% of african american stock while maintaining that we are all the same. also consider the fact that this ~75% is derived from a national talent pool that is only ~15% african american. i understand that there are more "world" players these days but a) those are mostly europeans which counters this argument, and b) this trend is decades long. go ahead. tell me why this happens in a free market system based solely on performance while maintaining an egalitarian worldview and that genetics dont matter and that human taxonomy shouldnt be applied to include the phenotype level. ill wait. the fact is that when black do well, no one cries racism because there is no reason to excuse failure. its really sad that there are discrepancies. but that doesnt erase them. the patterns are plain as day to anyone paying attention. it doesnt stop at education either. people are just so afraid to speak the truth because they are scared to be called racist. that, to me, is not the worst thing you can call me. i would much less like to be called dishonest or to have a lack of integrity.
@Joe-pc3hs
@Joe-pc3hs 2 года назад
This man perfectly illustrates all of the seemingly nuanced issues of the issue.
@starsky1012
@starsky1012 2 года назад
I don't think he is necessarily. I think it's plausible that standardized testing could discriminate against black people. Whether or not that's actually the case, I'm not sure. He makes it sound like the idea, in and of it self, isn't at all plausible.
@stighald
@stighald 2 года назад
@@starsky1012 I understood it as the default position of the test being racist was an easy way out of an underlying issue that was way harder to solve.
@amanky11
@amanky11 2 года назад
“Seemingly nuanced?” So the issues aren’t actually nuanced, it just seems that way?
@Joe-pc3hs
@Joe-pc3hs 2 года назад
@@amanky11 Im speaking in the context of those that use the subtlety of the issue to purposefully ignore the problem as a whole. I.e the pearl clutchers that excuse todays problems on past occurences.
@albertosampaio7683
@albertosampaio7683 2 года назад
@@starsky1012 so black people in average is less competent.
@annie3343
@annie3343 2 года назад
John McWhorter is one of the great minds of our generation. Glad J.P. is giving this underrated intellectual a wider platform. He explains better than anyone how woke racial discourse is hurting the people it claims to defend. I'm a high school teacher and a black woman and I experience the damages of this rhetoric on a daily basis.
@craigdeming8391
@craigdeming8391 2 года назад
Annie, you are the hero here! The one they both spoke of spending a lifetime addressing this very difficult challenge. May God richly bless and encourage and strengthen you everyday.
@davidverster9523
@davidverster9523 2 года назад
Maybe returning to SEPERATE institutions is the answer..Seperate development so RACES cannot be compared....and each safe and happy within themselves..within their own cultures
@joaniem3817
@joaniem3817 2 года назад
@@davidverster9523 I don’t believe that’s the answer yet. I don’t want to give up on the idea that we (the black and white races) will one day get over our differences and embrace our similarities.
@robrochon1034
@robrochon1034 2 года назад
God bless you Annie for making your life to take on the fight.
@p1b1harper
@p1b1harper 2 года назад
@@davidverster9523 this is the only answer and everyone will be better off for it.
@RockHudrock
@RockHudrock 2 года назад
THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT RACISM - it is a discussion of why “wokeness” (phony virtue / virtue signaling) is so prevalent, why false + exaggerated claims of social & systemic racism are so prevalent. In other words, it’s a discussion of the motivations behind Leftists’ false claims of racism where it doesn’t exist, and their proposed “solutions”, which are toxic, counterproductive AND *actually* racist.
@jandramardges3368
@jandramardges3368 2 года назад
Snap!
@-SRM-
@-SRM- 2 года назад
Correct and correct.
@odious5317
@odious5317 2 года назад
Well said, and a superb observation my friend. I realized that when John McWhorter started talking about the exaggeration of racism in todays time.
@Troonielicious
@Troonielicious 2 года назад
True.
@johnblaze8092
@johnblaze8092 2 года назад
Their motivation is to divide and conquer. There is no data suggesting that "diversity is a strength", in fact, plenty of data shows that the exact opposite is the case.
@elishaspargo6298
@elishaspargo6298 2 года назад
I'm always looking forward to Jordan peterson videos, there is always something new to learn.
@theBaron0530
@theBaron0530 2 года назад
Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks, White Liberals" provides an excellent overview of the history of black Americans from the end of the Civil War and up to implementation of the Great Society programs. That was a huge setback for blacks in America.
@thijs2906
@thijs2906 2 года назад
It should be obvious to most people that the predominant reason black people are not performing as well as white people is due to racial discrimination in the past, leading to a lack of generational wealth + higher black incarceration, which in turn leads to poverty due to the lack of social security in America. And enough studies have shown a direct correlation between poverty and crime, which keeps the cycle alive.
@johnseaverton1820
@johnseaverton1820 2 года назад
There's a lots of huge set backs for the black community. Most of them designed specifically to set them back for the benefits of whites who didn't want to have to compete with them. The deal essentially wasstruck with poor whites. If you just make sure blacks are at the bottom of the ladder below the poor whites they'll be on board.
@reedirokaj
@reedirokaj 2 года назад
Dr Sowell is a genius!
@johnseaverton1820
@johnseaverton1820 2 года назад
@@reedirokaj you should check out dr Cornell West!
@reedirokaj
@reedirokaj 2 года назад
@@johnseaverton1820 yea I’ve read West as well as Dyson,Anderson,etc.
@resilientrecoveryministries
@resilientrecoveryministries 2 года назад
These guys speak with such precision and ingenuity that it's like watching a magic trick. I am so delighted and surprised by the structure of the sentences that I sometimes chuckle out loud from the pleasure of observing something so skillfully done. It is distinct from an agreement with their ideas and had more to do with the enjoyment of the poetry in the way they speak.
@Bader1940
@Bader1940 2 года назад
Well said. It takes a genuine command of argument and language to be this surgical. It is like watching two expert jousters at play. Not only is the outcome excellent, and revealing of cores truths, it is enticing to watch. It ends all too soon (even in the longer form of this interview).
@jas_bataille
@jas_bataille 2 года назад
"You live a life that's abbreviated because you're exaggerating how bad it still is [...]" This is vastly more than just how it sounds. This is profound. This statement alone is a better way of saying what I wanted to say to my own minority (autistic people) for the last decade. John isn't just good with words he is immensely intelligent.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@suzygirl1843
@suzygirl1843 2 года назад
You know what I think, integration was deeply misunderstood by black America people. They weren't supposed to give up everything, they were supposed to continue to build their own establishments while being able to access the larger market. Now we live in an age where ALL of their markets are completely monopolized and they don't have breathing room for their own inventions/ successes, they have to be "included". And this realization, the lack of opportunities and control comes out extremely hostile. For example: The Gaming industry was developed by white and Asian cultures simultaneously, now they want diversity but gaming has been a thing since the 70's with established characters and lore and culture. You can't suddenly implement new diverse characters that weren't established from the beginning. It feels like you're jumping on a band wagon you didn't help build... but here's the kicker - a black man named Gerald Lawson helped revolutionize the cartridges, why didn't he help recruit more black creators? It's too late to cry about it now, rather start from scratch.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up Martin Butler
@RockHudrock
@RockHudrock 2 года назад
JP is sounding so strong! 🙏🏼 I know he’s marshaling his capacity carefully and is probably exhausted for days - but I thank God he’s doing this well & pray for his continued improvement 🙏🏼❤️✝️
@cpjds1
@cpjds1 2 года назад
Jordan is in the middle of a book tour as well. I’m seeing him in Seattle next month 😀
@leelybuckwheatjr
@leelybuckwheatjr 2 года назад
If you go to the full interview (link above), you'll see that it was recorded on September 27 (probably about when McWhorter's book was published)
@patriottothecore6215
@patriottothecore6215 2 года назад
Glad to hear this man speaking out against what is essentially pre-supposed victimhood and therefore entitlement to things not earned.
@TrillEverything
@TrillEverything 2 года назад
The "presupposed" victimhood label needs nuance. Being a victim of racism is not atypical in America, especially if you live in certain environments and around certain ethnocentric cultures. Victimhood means what? Nobody gets up in the morning and says their victimhood prayers. White people like the word because it absolves them from having to deal with the reality of racialism in this country and other countries. The question is can you fight racist instances in your life without creating an environment that stifles personal productivity and at the same time doesn't make members of the dominant culture victims themselves. In the past 2 years I'm seeing more victimhood in other races...for the identical reasons "that black people" complain about. This is reflected in the CRT craze. If you ask 100 black people in the black community have they ever heard of CRT, they'd probably think you meant CPR. I live in a black community. I've never heard CRT mentioned by any Black individual...ever. In John's words. It's over Exaggerated.
@Crystalblue58
@Crystalblue58 2 года назад
I agree with you @Patriot, the pre-supposed victimhood, the entitlement without effort-these things are what is against a race-not another race.
@TrillEverything
@TrillEverything 2 года назад
@Satoshi Nakamoto Excuse me. Why do you think these scholarships "for need" exist? And most need based scholarships in the US go to whites, as they are the majority. Similarly, most welfare recipients are white for the same reason. You are writing like you have not been in this country very long. And I mean that honestly. Whatever set asides that are given to blacks and Latinos are miniscule...even if they unfairly target Asians. The impact is an exaggeration...fair or not.
@TrillEverything
@TrillEverything 2 года назад
@@Crystalblue58 "Not Earned"? Outside of Standardized Tests, where do we see this "not earned" acquisition? There is exaggeration and victimhood on both sides of this issue. I had a white guy who is a drug addict tell me he lost out on a job due to Affirmative Action. He could barely put two sentences together. Like Jesse Smollet, he is fantasizing about being victimized. The guy was a dolt.
@brandonmay3094
@brandonmay3094 2 года назад
​@@TrillEverything I wouldn't expect black people to know what CRT is. It's not about them knowing exactly what it is, it's about the ideas behind the theory.
@Jewelmind
@Jewelmind 2 года назад
This is so intresting, things like this go unnoticed. Everyone just lets it go. I love this talk. It makes more sense than teaching anti- racism. All teachers should watch this talk
@suezcontours6653
@suezcontours6653 2 года назад
White people don't like that they are the ones with poor attitudes sometimes. It's not in the past. It's very recent. Lots of modern white people are racist towards professional black folks and they have to suck it up. It's not exaggerated. I wasn't allowed to attend white sleepovers for fear of what those white kids would do to me outside of my parents supervision. Look what happened to that married black woman who was found dead at her white friends sleepover and no investigations. Sorry but you're not allowed to dismiss black people's experiences because you're a little uncomfortable?
@Bestlivexg
@Bestlivexg 2 года назад
You are Racist do not like teaching you being racist
@dub2536
@dub2536 2 года назад
Cypress Hill: "Woke is the way of the walk"
@13th.Assassin
@13th.Assassin 2 года назад
Soul of an Assassin until I die. Cypress Hill - Red Light Visions.
@stardustshorty
@stardustshorty 2 года назад
🎧🎶🎵Hits from the bong...🎶🎵🎧 Hehe HaD to sorry
@rockwild737
@rockwild737 2 года назад
But sadly this is something I can't understand... how they could just a kill a man.
@korllark1
@korllark1 2 года назад
This guy beautifully articulated my thinking as a black person observing the current “woke” black rhetoric.
@scottykay1116
@scottykay1116 2 года назад
This guy also said in another video- "[Most Black people exaggerate the role Racism plays in the lives.]"
@danielxbox28
@danielxbox28 2 года назад
Others would crucify you for not going along with it
@aslkhjbasijt785
@aslkhjbasijt785 2 года назад
This is why he is absolutely my favorite speaker on racism. I've been reading him for some time. Excellent mind. By the way, his book's on linguistics are also fantastic.
@SelfSustainedTraining
@SelfSustainedTraining 2 года назад
As a biracial byproduct of ‘white’ and ‘black’ I find John McWhorter’s POV from the ‘black’ perspective is quite beautifully articulated and Dr. Peterson’s intense curiosity from the ‘white’ perspective as one of the most refreshing dialogues on race I have heard of recent. Since I was too black for white people and too white for black people I’ve never had a team to identify with in the war of race-politics. Thank you for all that you two gentlemen do!
@shok24199
@shok24199 2 года назад
A while ago (last year?), Glenn Loury said that one of the most surefire ways to reduce racism (of any kind), is through mixed-race marriages and children.
@roscodogg
@roscodogg 2 года назад
Does that make you a Halfrican American?😆 Just a goofy term I made up but haven't attempted to use in person. I've got a niece and nephew same as you and I hope they feel similar to you on these things- tho I fear what influence my "woke" sisters (not their mom, but my other sisters) and society may have had...
@SelfSustainedTraining
@SelfSustainedTraining 2 года назад
@@roscodogg my brother always went be “the halfrican” on his social medias 🤣
@SelfSustainedTraining
@SelfSustainedTraining 2 года назад
@@shok24199 thank you for this anecdote!
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up Academy of Ideas
@lorzon
@lorzon 2 года назад
It is positively enthralling to listen to two genuinely learned people describe the problem of our age so succinctly and clearly.
@DracoFire3000
@DracoFire3000 2 года назад
Here I thought that rational voices no longer existed. Then, like a light from the heavens, Jordan and John appear on my feed.
@hadesthegod9181
@hadesthegod9181 2 года назад
Amen! It’s honestly delightful to hear two people speak so precisely and expressively and with such thoroughly-examined beliefs. It’s like, if there are any famous people who I hope rub off on me a little bit, it’s these guys.
@jas_bataille
@jas_bataille 2 года назад
"You live a life that's abbreviated because you're exaggerating how bad it still is" ... speechless. This, this is exactly what I wanted to express to my fellow autistic people all my life. This applies to a lot of people around the world to far outside the realm of the topic of the discussion at end, which in itself is immensely deep already ... damn. John is incredibly eloquent!!
@jeremygegogeine5865
@jeremygegogeine5865 2 года назад
Love both these guys. Sometimes it's fun to listen to couple guys that you know are smarter than you discuss hard issues.
@-SRM-
@-SRM- 2 года назад
Woke is where"putting down others to build yourself up" reaches new heights.
@Artak091
@Artak091 2 года назад
I think the real issue is we'll never really know when we've ended racism. From my perspective we mostly achieved that in the late 90s and early 2000s because it's illegal to discriminate against a person professionally. If the measuring stick is ending discrimination personally not just professionally that'll never happen ever and it's a pipe dream because there's always going to be someone who reads a news story or a historical event and gets this crazy idea. I'd argue we're going too far Into the fight with "anti racism" because that means we've already won and we're still looking for problems that aren't there. Now we have a generation of young people who see past discrimination against minorities and want to use present discrimination against whites due to a perceived past wrong that they never even experienced and that generates more racism in both directions.
@Artak091
@Artak091 2 года назад
@@v.5442 the goal was to suppress that natural tribal instinct all humans have of in group preference long enough that in 2 or 3 generations a new "normal" or "in group" is identified and in that goal they succeeded. Take for example the way Irish people weren't seen as "white" for most of American history. Eventually rhr in group preference for what is considered white was suppressed enough and now we don't even think about it anymore.
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 года назад
It'll never happen. Humanity has always been and always will be divided into tribes. If white people go to Africa, they will get even worse racial treatment than blacks get in America. But for some reason blacks are allowed to complain. They want a predominating group of people to bend their knee to them. No one else in the world does that lol. Can you imagine whites going to Africa and saying "we need more white people here. We need more whites in African politics, culture, business, etc" and then demanding that African governments comply by rioting, looting, and firebombing businesses, homes and government buildings?
@Artak091
@Artak091 2 года назад
@T B there's certainly an argument to be made there that genetics affect way more than we're aware of, like say mentality, but at this point pandoras box of globalism has been opened and I don't think jt can be closed again.
@stronghandhanson
@stronghandhanson 2 года назад
It will never be eradicated as horrible as that sounds it’s built into humans from being in tribes maybe hundreds of years from now but not anytime soon.
@stronghandhanson
@stronghandhanson 2 года назад
@@smokingcrab2290 they would shoot you if you tried that… instead in America we build statues for drug addicts lol
@AmericanToucan
@AmericanToucan 2 года назад
You have humans since the start of humans having tribe mentality. Even perfectly mixing all races, people will still be short or tall. People just argue.
@jsedge2473
@jsedge2473 2 года назад
Yep. Or rich or poor. Or educated or noneducated. Or gay or straight. Believe in God, or doesn't believe in God, or just believes in different Gods. Humans will always fight each other over what we believe to be good or true.
@deansusec8745
@deansusec8745 2 года назад
Or by interest, or by intelligence, or by eye color. Or hair color. It just happens.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@Allplussomeminus
@Allplussomeminus 2 года назад
0:59 that's exactly how I feel, thanks to him so much for articulating it.
@thebookofdaniel5837
@thebookofdaniel5837 2 года назад
Hi
@ChancellorsThoughts
@ChancellorsThoughts 2 года назад
Has Peterson ever talked to Thomas Sowell? I'd love to see that!
@deansusec8745
@deansusec8745 2 года назад
This isnt really Peterson's usual topic, so no. But it would be interesting. See, Peterson gives racism 10 minutes not entire 2 hour lectures about it, probably since he's white. So he mentions it in passing.
@gooddognigel9992
@gooddognigel9992 2 года назад
@@deansusec8745 have you heard or read about the history of Dunbar High School? Read about it in Wealth, Poverty, and Politics (p.p. 192-196) by Thomas Sowell.
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 2 года назад
It will never end because people are dim-witted and LOVE to argue. You can defy every single stereotype, but people will still judge you. Standing still and keeping quiet still makes people mad at you. I stopped trying to fight racism and just accepted it. I stand my ground and I’m not afraid to tell people off if they try to put me down.
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 2 года назад
@@okiterukagetsu it’s the right thing to do. Obviously I’m not a crazy SJW who thinks that all whites are evil KKK members. But I’m not going to deny that there will always be tension when I’m in the room. Whether it be through a snide remark or a mean glare.
@donquixote3292
@donquixote3292 2 года назад
Facts
@jonathandrake8640
@jonathandrake8640 2 года назад
You are not accepting anything from other people by letting them live/think as they please and by doing the same yourself. You accept that people are not perfect & that they change NOT when you wish for them to do so and that need not be your own FATE.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@MARZOSIRUS
@MARZOSIRUS Год назад
Standing up for yourself is good of course. However what if it happens at your job? Or if your are discriminated against at a restaurant by an employee? Are you willing to take legal action? Punishment can have an effect on those who violate discrimination laws. It is against the law to discriminate based on race,gender or age in a work environment.
@kelaarin
@kelaarin 2 года назад
It's not that complicated. 1) Don't judge people by the color of their skin. 2) Don't FALSELY claim others are. 3) Ignore those who do. Conquer it on an individual level first, and you'll find that most of these "systemic" issues don't really exist.
@hehunches
@hehunches 2 года назад
I get fd up when I am asked my race and the answers are first Nation, African-American, or white. Wtf
@SM_outdoorhobbies
@SM_outdoorhobbies 2 года назад
The issue of racism in South Africa has never been challenged the same way as other issues and the end of Apartheid in South Africa has not translated to changes in attitudes. What is different now is that racism is covertly is expressed.
@Die-CastMetal
@Die-CastMetal 2 года назад
The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others.
@sweetsounds9674
@sweetsounds9674 2 года назад
We cannot end racism; what are black folks going to do if they have to be accountable for their actions? Also, I would lose my title as the racist white man.
@KrepsyK
@KrepsyK 2 года назад
Very sound points made here. This man has a very clear view. I will have to check him out when I get some more time. I look forward to seeing the whole show!
@billycasimir1469
@billycasimir1469 2 года назад
Great conversation and I agree with some of these points but I'd like to add the importance of actually repairing the black community to level out the playing field. It's indisputable that black Americans are owed reparations. Hundreds of years of free labor says it all. When we can put a reparations package together black kids doing worst on test won't be as prevalent because they'll have better schools.
@skylovecraft2491
@skylovecraft2491 2 года назад
Thank you Jordan for always seeking and speaking the truth as well as focusing on solutions to such important issues. Love you brother💗🙏✌
@jasperrodrigues7026
@jasperrodrigues7026 2 года назад
WOW! John McWhorter seriously has things figured out, he speaks truth and talks about our problems all without pointing fingers or blaming people. That moment when he was talking about virtue and didn't blame the other side for their 'false virtue' but instead tried to understand and explain why people might get tangled up in it was great. I hope I learn from that
@Shhhhhhhhhjj
@Shhhhhhhhhjj 2 года назад
He kind wants us to celebrate mediocrity when it comes to racial issues and he doesn’t like to mention the fatigue from constantly having to jump hurdles in industry because of the colour of your skin honestly speaking maybe it’s cause I’m British but due to my experience what he’s sayings a lot more detrimental to life becoming better for us but I also think that’s because here in the U.K. racism is subtle it’s worse to be called racist rather than be racially abused and they run with that in industries in everyday life damn even when you walk into a shop which is why I wish these people who decide to speak for “all black people” would stop their tunnel vision on the states because they’re words are detrimental to stuff getting better outside of the US
@scratchpenny
@scratchpenny 2 года назад
@@Shhhhhhhhhjj The fatigue you are talking about exists for any outsider group living in a society designed/run by the majority group - a flaw of democracy/culture. It's not solvable unless you move to a place with only one racial group. And even then, there will be disputes and discrimination based on differences because these problems are part of human nature. That's why he's right about activists' approach to racism being flawed and disempowering. These ideas about microaggressions, subtle personal racism that can't be objectively proven, and similar narratives are useless for societal progress. They can't be objectively measured, so they are just personal opinions/complaints. And thus, policy and plans can't improve these things because they have no objective basis. So the only purpose of these CRT/CRT-like concepts is for individuals to use them to acquire social/political power, but it doesn't solve any real-world problems. Instead, they perpetuate the very things that we want to get away from - they promote the racialization of everything. And that kind of thing boxes people in, forcing them to choose sides, thereby perpetuating the same racial biases forever. So there is some truth to the statement that eliminating more racism requires us to stop talking about it. This should be obvious, as you can't define everything in racial terms and expect racial ideas to lessen - it's delusional.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@islifeacomedy3861
@islifeacomedy3861 Год назад
Curtis Yarvin
@donquihote6023
@donquihote6023 2 года назад
A very respectable conversation. Great social evaluation. Very honest and worth hearing.
@m.hughmungus121
@m.hughmungus121 2 года назад
From what I understand: racism is akin to nationalism. Wherein people love their own nation and put its needs above all others, people put their race's interests above all others - and the thing is everyone is tribal. Goes without saying this spells chaos for a diverse empire- especially one becoming radically more diverse
@user-im1gi1rw2j
@user-im1gi1rw2j 2 года назад
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs 𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳 ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ....
@johnblaze8092
@johnblaze8092 2 года назад
@@bill_the_butcher Racism doesn't mean you have to hate other cultures either, it means you prefer your own. Which by the way almost everyone does..
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@redumulis2448
@redumulis2448 2 года назад
There is a weird phenomenon I notice where it seems that people would now like to move on past racism toward what is best for humanity. But there seems to be that from the shadows some people want to keep racism going for malicious reasons.
@Master_Picks
@Master_Picks Год назад
Racism is not complicated; it remains a violent behaviour towards people belonging to a different race. What is complicated however, is the habit by perpetrators of racism to look to justify their unfair treatment of others, whether by pleading insanity or decrying their inability to uphold high moral standards. Victims of racism are traumatized and marginalized, and those fortunate enough to escape its clutches tend to justify their hard-won freedom through a lens of utopian discourse. It still takes a village to raise a child (prodigies included), and so the complexion and standards of my village will determine the number of success stories it will yield. Only when all villages are equal, can we freely prescribe standardized tests.
@loltom3703
@loltom3703 2 года назад
Always appreciate listening to John. Great to see a discussion between these two
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 2 года назад
I don't know much about the practice of "redlining" but I was always skeptical of it's prevalence for economic reasons. If there was this huge unmet demand for credit/mortgages among black Americans, why did nobody jump on the business opportunity? It reminds me of Sowell bringing up the South African construction industry and how they banned blacks from working in that field. They couldn't keep black South Africans out because most of the best construction guys were black. Even avowed bigots seem to care more about green than they do black and white.
@bushidobrown67
@bushidobrown67 2 года назад
I’m interested in what Jordan means by “beauty” and how it relates to virtue. In honesty, at times it’s hard for me to digest his meanings for certain words that I’ve never heard in that context.
@jamesscottvideos
@jamesscottvideos 2 года назад
Here's a conundrum. If it's racial prejudice for black people to do less well in exams, is it also intellectual prejudice for a low-IQ person to do badly in exams? Why are we not screaming about that prejudice? Hmmm, or is it just bollox?
@waynesdojang
@waynesdojang 2 года назад
Wow! Listening to Jordan and John speak so beautifully is amazing. How they use language so intuitive that even with an understanding of the meaning, I had to pause and reflect before I could understand the true context of what they were speaking. This seemingly causal but serious conversation really demanded a lot of hard listening and concentration to keep up. Both speakers must be speaking from great knowledge of the subject to articulate between each other as they did. I am not American so have no understanding of the topic beyond movies and news media. The seriousness of this conversation is frightening and taking everything on face value, must be addressed urgently as it appears that it is damaging to American Society. I see similar issues within my own country so I feel that this issue appears to be a particular flavour of attitude within Western European society.
@cbel888
@cbel888 2 года назад
It's not your business how OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, made me. I have eyes and I can see all OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN'S CREATION, WHICH IS NOT LIMITED TO HUMAN BEINGS. I have seen all spectrum of colors. I am pretty sure the yellow apple is OK with being yellow and the red apple being red. Maybe some a branch from a red apple is attached to a yellow tree....I don't think the apples are jealous of who's who....I think they are happy that they have sun, water and some one to take care of them. Plants love music....I don't ever care ABOUT a musician's race. Speaking in a meta forical way ( forical? What kind of root word 🤔....) I am soo tired of this conversation....30 years of it.....🤕🤢🤮
@JoeBlowUK
@JoeBlowUK 2 года назад
Imagine if my white English ancestors had wallowed in self pity about being invaded and enslaved by the Romans, then the Vikings. We invented things, became stronger, then conquered the world. Such a tiny country too. Look at the size of Africa compared to Britain.
@rupin
@rupin 2 года назад
I wish!!!
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 2 года назад
The size of the nation was so important. A nation on a large land mass would be surrounded by armies eager to crush any signs of that "liberty" nonsense. Great Britain, once unified, had no foreign armies, and a strong domestic navy. No foreign warlord was going to give our King a Mussolini retirement for signing Magna Carta.
@zhouyou28
@zhouyou28 2 года назад
Correction, your ancestors invent things, not you. Don't take credits from some other people just because you're of the same race. It's like rich kids born with a silver spoon take credit from their father by saying it's his own effort for being rich. You're no different than those people who claim being bullied while it's their ancestors being bullied by other races. You're taking all the glories from yours.
@JoeBlowUK
@JoeBlowUK 2 года назад
@@zhouyou28 Correction, I have, and continue to, invent plenty of things. As do the rest of my nation. That is why we continue to innovate, leading the world in many aspects.
@zhouyou28
@zhouyou28 2 года назад
@@JoeBlowUK in your dream, properly. A guy invent things spend time on internet express his subtle racism. Highly doubt you do, by the way. You're not leading, more likely following the U. S behind like a puppy. If you still believe you 're leading you should get your head check with reality. And you prove my point by taking credits from other brits. I doubt a countrys success is contributed by guys like you. The real contributors are too busy to contribute, not spend time here to show his superiority just by claiming his from UK
@jguillen5892
@jguillen5892 2 года назад
Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and resurrected on the third day according to the scriptures. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. God bless everyone in Jesus Christ name.
@integrallens6045
@integrallens6045 2 года назад
I remember when I was young, I'm 35 now, everywhere I looked the question "what is the meaning of life" was being asked. As I got older I noticed this became rarer and rarer. At the same time, my generation was being told that there is no meaning or purpose and you might as well just have fun in life. This consumed most people that I knew and it seems like we did such a good job of pushing purpose and meaning to the margins that the generation coming after us craved meaning, purpose and to be a part of something that mattered so badly, that they allowed themselves to be consumed by these movements while suspending their critical thinking.
@Spyblox007
@Spyblox007 2 года назад
@@joer9156 why?
@brandonmay3094
@brandonmay3094 2 года назад
Yep. It doesn't seem this gets better.
@djmaydraws3862
@djmaydraws3862 2 года назад
Modern society has adopted Epicurean philosophy en masse
@scratchpenny
@scratchpenny 2 года назад
@@Spyblox007 I don't know if what Joe R is saying is absolutely true, but the idea is that you can control the whole world if you keep people at odds/divided like this. One could argue that this is how globalism has been able to be implemented so completely. And it does go into the concept of "never again," referencing the Holocaust (i.e., if they control the world through the banking system, the world's most powerful governments, etc., then something like that tragedy wouldn't be possible ever again). The power they have over the global system would likely ensure it. Thus, they promote destructive beliefs/behavior toward the other cultures they deem a threat to their power. That's the idea, as I understand it at least.
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@francescavalentinabecker2887
@francescavalentinabecker2887 2 года назад
Look, if I don't like mint ice cream, am I OBLIGED to eat it, just because it exists? NO
@BlackPartyFilms
@BlackPartyFilms 2 года назад
I’ve experienced multiple debates about black children and test scores or education and lack thereof but I personally haven never in my life heard someone call the tests racists then proceed to talk about how we need changing testing for black kids. This is my personal experience but there are many factors that lead to the lesser education and test readiness of black communities. He mentioned one; Redlining.
@tk2730
@tk2730 2 года назад
Exactly, I’ve never heard that either.
@scratchpenny
@scratchpenny Год назад
I never heard it until recently on social media. There are idiots now claiming that math is racist. It's not well-reasoned academics making these claims but rather ignorant activist types who know very little but are given prominent platforms to spew this nonsense.
@Shirocco7
@Shirocco7 Год назад
It's the easiest way to pick someone out - they look different. Then attach a bunch of meaning to it out of convenience, and negative meaning out of fear, resentment and spite. It's so easy to do. No wonder it's essentially universal, and only suppressed with deliberate, concious effort.
@Die-CastMetal
@Die-CastMetal 2 года назад
The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others.
@Christian-yk8gk
@Christian-yk8gk 2 года назад
Jesus Christ tore the veil. 🔥 Because He _is_ Virtue nailed upon the cross...
@rastaboogie
@rastaboogie 2 года назад
Having worked in the real-estate industry I can assure you that a bank can look at cold hard colorless numbers and know which neighborhoods are safe investments and which neighborhoods are risky investments. It has zero to do with color. The question we should be asking goes much deeper than institutionalized questions. What makes the value of entire neighborhoods drop? Mainly (but not exclusively) crime statistics. What makes black neighborhoods higher in crime? Some prominent leaders in academia (such as Thomas Sowell, Candice Owen's, Larry Elder, even Barack Obama) suggest fatherless homes are a major contributer to crime. If we are to fix things we have to stop asking all the wrong questions and look at the hard and uncomfortable questions. America is a country that has black judges, governers, mayor's, police chiefs, senetors and even a black president recently. Color does not dictate how far you can go in this country. Your state of mind most certainly does. I am white, by today's standards I am not successful at all. How did that happen?
@Bill-ou7zp
@Bill-ou7zp 2 года назад
Did you not hear what he saying about red lining? These neighborhoods were divested from in the first place simply because they were predominantly black. Past discrimination has effects on generational wealth, and more poverty equals more crime generally speaking. It’s a chain effect - sorry, you can’t untie the past from the present. (And Candice Owens as a “Prominent figure in academia” lmao) Btw mass incarceration (re: present discrimination for nonviolent crimes) is most likely the #1 cause for fatherless black homes 🙄
@thijs2906
@thijs2906 2 года назад
@@Bill-ou7zp Exactly. Lots of people in this comment section don't seem to understand that a lot of your success in life when living in a country with little to no social net comes from generational wealth, something black people have not been able to create as much due to past racist laws and attitude. Another one is household conditions, and it has been proven countless times that those who grow up in poverty are more likely to do crime. Combine this with the past racist attitude and you have a disproportionate amount of black people in jail, especially men and thus fathers. Lack of generational wealth in combination with bad households are the root cause of disproportionate black suffering. Inherent racial biases are there but they are not the main problem. If we want to fix this problem we should look at the dire American Prison complex and the lack of social security. However, I do agree that we should thus not focus too much on inherent racial biases from, example, white to blacks. If the black community put the same energy into achieving a better social security net and a reform of prison complexes we would actually see improvement imo.
@WeAreTheSHWE
@WeAreTheSHWE 2 года назад
​@@Bill-ou7zp As if investment or mortgages would have changed anything lmfao. How many Marshall plans worth of aid have gone to their "communities" and countries of origin? Nothing to show for it but corruption, crime, and more begging. Even if they had been successful from the very beginning, they would have still been used by the true elites as a wedge/splinter group to destroy the autonomy and liberty of western citizens. But it doesn't matter anyways, they and other rainbow coalition groups won; considering they make up 90% of the planet and are set to engulf our countries by around 2050. Enjoy our land! You totally earned it!
@freeindeed8416
@freeindeed8416 2 года назад
@@Bill-ou7zp We can’t keep using past injustices to justify current inequities
@cenach8145
@cenach8145 2 года назад
People love to say "fatherless homes are the cause" as a cop out answer, but never dig deeper into that. What do you think caused fatherless homes in the first place? Maybe because the "leaving fathers" didn't have a good childhood either and didn't go far. And that "leaving father" didn't have a good childhood because he was raised by blacks living in the 40-50s who never got a fair shot a life due to segregation, red lining, mass incarceration, and general discrimination in the workplace that denied them the ability to build any generational wealth or relevant skills. These things aren't independent of one another. Racism that happened as early as the 40s absolutely has a direct impact on today. A 20 year old today has grandparents that grew up in the 30s-40s, meaning any economic hardship they had as a result of jim crow, glass ceilings, and other racist policy directly affected the childhood and quality of life for the 20 year old's parents, and in turn that 20 year old today. My grandfather who worked as an elevator engineer in 1960s-70s New York couldn't get a promotion past a certain level, despite him being excellent at his job and even still training those who were at a "higher level." When he asked why, his boss straight up said that it wouldn't look good because the higher ups wouldn't "want to see a negro moving up the ladder." This is a true story too, I've seen the handwritten letter from that boss. And that's just a minor, minor example of how skin color would prevent people from making more money and amassing more generational wealth for their children. I'm in no way "struggling" today, but I'm also not an average example, since my grandfather came to the US from another country. His family in Trinidad had built up some wealth over the years that let him do that, which is completely different from blacks in the US, whose ancestors had absolutely NOTHING when they arrived as slaves, and even at the turn of the 20th century, were still treated lower than any other skin tone in the country through legal loopholes. Black neighborhoods that were poor and rundown with crime in the 40s-60s are still the same poor and rundown areas. Yes, you CAN have live in those situations and still pull yourself out, but that's not at all the normal. And what does it say when you think that for in order for the average black person to succeed at the same level, they need to have a better "state of mind" and exert a much better work ethic? The overwhelming average can't do that. Blacks were legally denied property, job positions, credit, equity, etc. up until only the 60s-70s, with most of it ending "for good" only just by the 90s. Whites didn't have that happen to them. Blacks were specifically excluded out of G.I. bill benefits that granted whites huge boosts to property ownership and credit. Those are both things that exponentially increase in value over time. That means on average, whites had up to 30-40 years of enjoying those economic benefits before blacks could do so in the same way. Just because you're white and experience hardship doesn't mean anything, and it especially doesn't mean that color and the racism that occured in the 1900s is somehow not relevant today.
@chewface
@chewface 2 года назад
If we stopped rewarding victimization with monetary settlements, people getting fired from their jobs, students being asked to move their seats, and countless pity-parties on social media....racism would die out. The problem is that people INSIST on measuring their victimhood like it's a competition. And race, gender, and orientation are the leading methods people use to do that in 2022.
@Bryan-wf5mi
@Bryan-wf5mi 2 года назад
Even if racism was ended there wouldn’t be an acknowledgement of that, it would just require more labor to keep the hustle going.
@zanitzeuken
@zanitzeuken 2 года назад
Institutional racism is real, but not in the way it is often framed. When you have a steward POTUS declaring his primary characteristics of his SCOTUS candidate are race/gender, you have a solid example of what I'm talking about. Even as she was unable answer half the questions she was posed, despite given preparation, you'd think his pick, based on what he declared, would be demeaning. Your whole career in SCOTUS will be second guessed as a 'diversity hire'. Based on his declaration, we know for a fact, if she was a white male, she would not have been chosen, whatever her merits may actually be.
@303runcoach
@303runcoach 2 года назад
I am a very liberal person and I really appreciate the depth of this conversation.
@markshortall3384
@markshortall3384 2 года назад
I much prefer when you talk about psychology rather than politics
@TheGahta
@TheGahta 2 года назад
One is rooted in the other though 😅
@realalchemist7206
@realalchemist7206 2 года назад
@@TheGahta Very true but to be honest he's way out of his depth when it comes to politics. Most of the times his political opinions are an attempt to seek understanding out of a place of ignorance. It's admirable but it's no different from the common man thus we don't gain much from it as the audience. Occasionally with such well informed guests, it's a win for us too but when he brings in government shills like the clown Frederick Kagan to spew out government propaganda, then it becomes an unfortunate event to say the least. In contrast when it comes to psychology & psychosocial matters, he's a pundit👌. His opinions are well informed thus even when one disagrees with him one can't help but appreciate having learnt a lot from an alternate view point. He truly moves the needle in regards to psychological and progressive thought.
@TheGahta
@TheGahta 2 года назад
@@realalchemist7206 how can one out of his depth talking about his own opinion and how he got there?! Lets face it, you have different opinions but you cant argue for where you differ hence this bullshit mental gymnastics, sounds much more likely If not point to your best example where he is alegedly out of his depth and you think your not
@markshortall3384
@markshortall3384 2 года назад
@@TheGahta what did that guy say before he deleted his comment?
@TheGahta
@TheGahta 2 года назад
@@markshortall3384 some wall of Text about JPs political opinion and his guests Guess i really Hit the nail on the head though if thats the reaction 🤣
@stardustshorty
@stardustshorty 2 года назад
I hit dislike by accident !! I fixed it lol and hit like! I dislike Nothing Jordan Peterson puts out their. SO HAPPY UR A CANADIAN!! 🇨🇦🍁 Gives me hope with this JT GOV. That people still will wake up and listen to Jordan!
@aguywhohikes1271
@aguywhohikes1271 2 года назад
This was one of the best explanations of racism I’ve seen. Terrific thank you.
@mondopinion3777
@mondopinion3777 2 года назад
Right ! The Woke attitude is essentially religious. Like tame, comfortable religion, not the true walk with the Creator. John McWhorter is right, and Jonathan Pageau is saying the same thing, coming at it from a whole different perspective.
@sc100ott
@sc100ott 2 года назад
When I get called out for screwing up, sometimes it’s because the person calling me out doesn’t understand what really happened, or is just being an ass, but *usually* it’s because I actually screwed up. I have a black colleague who thinks whenever he gets called out, it’s almost always due to racism, and rarely because he actually screwed up. This concept of racism really prevents him from implementing self-improvement, and holds him back. Therefore he won’t correct his faults, which means he gets called out for the same mistakes repeatedly. And he uses this as further evidence of racism. It’s a vicious circle.
@n0namesowhatblerp362
@n0namesowhatblerp362 Год назад
So you have been convincved that you arte always in the wrong? Or usually as you put it. Your comment is scary to read.
@dakotadennies2254
@dakotadennies2254 Год назад
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 are you serious? No, they weren't convinced that everything is their fault. They know how to take accountability when something is their fault, rather than constantly pulling the race card as an excuse.
@n0namesowhatblerp362
@n0namesowhatblerp362 Год назад
@@dakotadennies2254 And qwho does that? Ass- u-mptions
@dakotadennies2254
@dakotadennies2254 Год назад
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 not an assumption. It's common sense
@piehound
@piehound Год назад
I can relate to " mendacity. " In *CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF* . . . Big Daddy said "we live in system of mendacity. " I believe that is as true today as it was then. And it's been that way for thousands of years before that. The bible says *THE WHOLE WORLD IS DECEIVED.* See Revelation 12:9. Lying or mendacity goes together with being deceived. We are deceived when we believe a lie. And then we behave as if it were true. A tangled web indeed.
@harvey28f22
@harvey28f22 2 года назад
It's so refreshing to listen to two gentlemen have an intelligent conversation.
@redwatch1100
@redwatch1100 2 года назад
If it's any consolation, I'm White and banks won't give me a loan ever in my 52-year old life.
@Paint0nBrush
@Paint0nBrush 2 года назад
pog first
@user-wr5zc9td5b
@user-wr5zc9td5b 2 года назад
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs 𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳 ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ;..
@michealwatts7469
@michealwatts7469 2 года назад
Wont this guy be called an Uncle Tom or some word because hes trying to balance out the issue by ridding it of the exaggerations and rhetoric?
@scottiemccarthy896
@scottiemccarthy896 2 года назад
Saying things like “end racism” makes no sense and doesn’t DO anything. It would be like saying “end crime”. It sounds nice and all but like I said, you’re not actually doing anything.
@timwhite5562
@timwhite5562 2 года назад
It's even beyond that, crime is an action. It's more like "end lying in all it's forms."
@B-Eazy_DatDude
@B-Eazy_DatDude 2 года назад
Racism is lucrative the "establishment" doesn't want to end anything and now certain biases and bigotry is baked into the moral conciousness of the nation
@pirupami9746
@pirupami9746 2 года назад
Look up James Scotmore
@NoThankYouReally
@NoThankYouReally 2 года назад
Good Heavens. Guy doesn't say "um", doesn't hesitate, just a nonstop, off the cuff flow of well-thought out and well communicated views. That is SO HARD. There are lots of very smart people in the world. There are lots of good communicators in the world. There are NOT very many very smart people who communicate well, and vanishingly small few who do so apparently EFFORTLESSLY.
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