Heroes | The Rise and Fall of a Potential Classic

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Ah Heroes. One of TV’s greatest punching bags…but not without reason. Heroes is one of those series that always tends to have the same criticisms: “Amazing Season 1, but it’s all downhill from there”. And there’s a lot of truth to that statement. It’s no secret that the first season is beloved, and every season after that is a mixed bag.
Personally, Heroes is a show I’ve always had a little nostalgia for. It’s one of the first shows I got really into, and even though my tastes have changed over time, I do enjoy some parts of Heroes as much as I used to.
That said, it’s far from perfect. Heroes has had a very rough journey, and as you watch some of the later seasons, it’s easy to forget that at one point, it was an actual, honest to god great show. Some of the show’s faults weren’t entirely on the shoulders of the production team, but at the same time, they aren’t entirely absolved either.
Fun fact, did you know that the Kensei sword replica is physically impossible to pull from its scabbard if you strap it to your back?
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Inside the Alternate Ending for Generations: • 'The Alternate Ending'...
Writers Strike Documentary: • Video
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Chapters:
Intro: 00:00
Volume 1 (Genesis): 02:04
Volume 2 (Generations): 11:29
The Exodus Volume: 15:56
Volume 3 (Villains): 23:14
Volume 4 (Fugitives): 27:27
Volume 5 (Redemption): 29:31
Heroes Reborn: 34:30
Outro: 37:49
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@LadyDoomsinger 11 месяцев назад

Honestly, as much as I loved Heroes, I don't even remember anything past season 1.

@madelinekurtz2243 11 месяцев назад

Relatable

@goodjoejoe 11 месяцев назад

I remember Sylar turning face and heel as much as the Big Show.

@night1952 11 месяцев назад

All I remember post S1 is Hiro doing a Jojo reference.

@chowderman8888 11 месяцев назад

Dang I the ending and the chra ters I related to were pretty memorable relate hard to the creator of the video this was the first show I looked up on RU-vid for discussions

@nqabayomuzikhulilekamangwe2690 11 месяцев назад

@@goodjoejoe😂😂😂😂😂

@dansharp2860 10 месяцев назад

I've always said that Heroes was a victim of it's own popularity. The real decline of the show started with the decision to keep the same cast/characters despite the fact that they had just ended their stories. In fact, Heroes is a great example of what happens when company's won't let the story of a franchise end *cough Indiana Jones *cough.

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

I think that was the real death sentence as well. Yes the Writers Strike happened, but that was mostly on Kring, and pretty much every issue with the show would've been resolved if Heroes was an anthology from the beginning. Execution is another matter entirely, but still, I think the original, anthology vision was the way to go moving forward.

@dansharp2860 10 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety Agreed, however there was probably a way to keep going with a number of the core cast if Peter, Nathan and Slyar stayed dead (or they at least waited a few seasons before bringing him back) and Claire "disappeared" for a while too. I don't know. They wrote themselves into a hole with the end of the 1st season and the show never really recovered even if I loved almost every second of it. Hiro shouting "Flying Man" everytime he sees Nathan will never not be adorable.

@tyrant-den884 9 месяцев назад

this is why we are never going to get a good Lightning THief adaptation, because Rick Riordan believes in keeping things fresh by cycling characters.

@aceclover758 7 месяцев назад

From what I heard, each season was to star different cast of characters with only Mohinder and Claire being consistent characters Season 1 was Peter, Sylar and the others we have seen in that season The writer’s strike didn’t help either

@dandansfu 7 месяцев назад

but look at the franchise halloween, they tried something different and viewers hated it

@kemsari9969 11 месяцев назад

I really liked the first season

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I liked how he ended up as well, but having him flip flop around too much was where it got out of hand. Still, huge credit to Zachary Quinto for nailing it the whole way through.

@maridit169 11 месяцев назад

I agree. Sometimes it's just nice to have a evilly cackling supervillain 😀

@fightthepowerman 11 месяцев назад

I agree. Sylar was best when he was a near unstoppable force that our other characters have to escape from and/or contain. Good contrast too: here is Claire, Peter, Nathan, Hiro, etc. They're people like you and me, only they have superpowers now. Here is Sylar, a force of nature that cannot be stopped by any individual from the first group. Furthermore he gets more powerful as he removes other superpowered people from the equation. Part of the genius of the first season is the implied ticking clock that is created in the background.... Our point of view characters are at a ridiculous disadvantage with Sylar holding the cards. But it still feels possible for Sylar to be beaten through collaboration. The storytelling potential is amazing as, in theory, none of our faves are safe and every win by Sylar is truly impactful in a way that could send ripples throughout the rest of the series. Plus, later on, Sylar could become an existential threat to all humans. As he realised the potential of all his powers synergizing together.

@Deimonos85 10 месяцев назад

@@fightthepowerman the problem with the show is that they had too many characters and they had to split the time between them to try to develop some backstory.. and they realized Peter being there killed the balance of the whole power thing in the show.. that is why there is not someone like him in DC or Marvel... well, Marvel had a guy called sync that could copy the powers of people that were near him.. and what did they do to him? they killed him off protecting his friends taking the full power of a bomb... otherwise, it would have happened something that would happen also in Heroes: Peter being so OP that everybody else would become useless and unecessary

@chinchindaisukiman 11 месяцев назад

It's unbelievable that Isaac, a character who died in SEASON ONE, had already drawn comics that foretell the events of THE REBOOT. How did the company or any other character think to go through every copy of 9th Wonders to put together what would essentially be a copy of the entire script of the show held by its own characters

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I wish I had a good explanation to be honest, because the show kept bringing up how "Isaac drew this one last thing before he died, for real this time!" allll the way until Reborn, and it kept getting ridiculous. I think it's part of a much broader issue where Heroes was addicted to prescience being a main driving force, to the point where it was a massive writing crutch.

@chinchindaisukiman 11 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety they even introduced a second future-telling painter who could have provided that element in a way that made sense, but then they chopped the poor guy's head off and went back to Isaac.

@cynicaltheastrocreep4504 Месяц назад

@@chinchindaisukiman Also Hiro calls him African Isaac when he first enters his tent. This just sounds like what they were calling him in the writer's room lmao.

@Chocolate-wb1bu 8 месяцев назад

I think the original idea to do an Anthology by focusing on new characters each season would've been great. We would've been able to discover more of the Heroes world through new storylines, more abilities, and other perspectives. Not to mention the old characters could still have made appearances without being the focus, like maybe a future Hiro who helps out from the shadows for one episode, or Peter teaching someone who can't control his powers, just like he couldn't. So many missed opportunities.

@ViviVariety 8 месяцев назад

You basically summed up my thoughts as well. I know people were really attached to the characters, but the freedom to write new stories and keep fan favorites "on hold" so to speak could have really added to the show overall. Especially, as you said, in terms of world and perspectives.

@tasan215 11 месяцев назад

Heroes & Lost were running around the same time for a few years, I was in network television heaven during those days!

@gregorybrown3272 11 месяцев назад

One of the biggest problems with Heros was that there was no reliable moral center, most of the good guy characters from season one became bad guys in later seasons, and numerous (failed) attempts at redemption arcs to redeem irredeemable bad guys made for a confusing and rather sickening watching experience. This was the main reason I left the show partway through the Villains volume.

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

You know, that's a really good point I never really thought of. I think they tried to keep Hiro as the moral center, but he was so OP he always had to get sidelined. Meanwhile characters like Peter and Claire went back and forth for a bit as far as morality goes.

@joaopaulodsc93 10 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety When they tried to make Linderman and Angela Petrelli victims in season 4 I was done.

@jesusramirezromo2037 10 месяцев назад

They did have Hero be the moral center, But he was always presented as childish, or naive

@rd6416 10 месяцев назад

@@joaopaulodsc93I didn't even make it to season 4. I love love LOVED season 1. Pity.

@friedfrog5447 9 месяцев назад

How do you decide irredeemable?

@nikkibrowning4546 11 месяцев назад

I forgot just how much I loved Heroes. It was such joy in the first season: and there were pearls in later seasons, but by the end of season 4, I was hoping it wouldn't be renewed. It felt like a catgartic ending, in my opinion. They called back to the start of the show then ended it with a giant question mark, and let us, the audiance, answer it.

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I agree, that's one of the reasons why I'm not as harsh on Season 4's ending. It's a solid bookend to the series. ...It's more with Reborn where the cliffhanger felt really cheap...

@HarryAshtonCoaching 11 месяцев назад

The “Fugitives” volume had an interesting premise. The idea of people with abilities being hunted by the government had a very “Xmen” feel to it

@OneWingedRose 10 месяцев назад

My distant fond memories (haven't seen the show since it was airing) of post-season 1 are that arc (with the bold government guy antagonist who gave a particularly memorable performance), the reveal that the guy in the past with Hiro was alive in the present and evil -fun twist-, and I actually liked the ending where Claire outs everyone, felt like a decent place to end after the events of season 3. My distant unfond memories of post-season 1 are too many to list in a youtube comment lol.

@Schelbig 8 месяцев назад

They did the same thing in heroes reborn which wasn’t too great

@rockassassin64 Год назад

Claire being killed off screen is infuriating. Slyer rips part of her brain out in season 3 and reveals her powers evolved to the point she can not die to anything. so how the fuck did they kill

@ViviVariety Год назад

Her son took her powers in the womb. Not joking... It's so dumb...

@dariusjackson5876 11 месяцев назад

Monica was actually a favorite of mine in season 2 because she was really diving into the potential of being a hero/vigilante. Wish they tied her and Micah into the major plot.

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I also really liked Monica as well, she had a cool small story arc and had one of the raddest powers around. It was cool, but not overpowered either, and I liked how it seemed like she was going to be a street level hero. That said, she just didn't really connect to the overall story. She may have meant to play a role in the Exodus story according to Kring, but I guess we'll never know. But I still thought she was a really neat character all around.

@CelineNoyce Год назад

To me it seems very obvious they only had story for the first 13 episodes. That was a thrilling and tight story. But if you go back and watch... it seems like it was supposed to end there. They had to "undo" things (such as Claire's friend having his memory wiped). Then they started giving everyone powers and making it genetic (boring) and having everyone related to each other. Around episode 16 of the first season you can see they are flailing around not really having a clue what to do with people. If NBC would let me do a new heros I could fix it. The joy of the original was just that every day people were developing powers... that was what people liked explored. And you can't have too many powers... then it just gets silly and they can't be too powerful. They need to pull the power out when necessary.

@ViviVariety Год назад

Couldn't agree more. I wanted to talk more about that, and how they kept taking out the really OP powers or limiting them because even they knew that characters like Eden and Claude were way too strong for the story at the time. With the exception of a few standout episodes later, the show lost a lot of momentum after Homecoming, and it kept dipping more. I'd love to see a version of Heroes that was a tightly written 10 to 13 episode season, and every season after that followed suite with a new ensemble.

@Griffnix 11 месяцев назад

This is why I would have liked that anthology route they would have gone. Each chapter like a new reset, maybe with some connective tissue. This would have killed if it was on streaming without network interfere.

@liamnehren1054 11 месяцев назад

you know what you describe reminds me of a devastating series of movie like video games "Life is Strange" highly recommended but just as a warning: ALL THE TRAUMAS! not one or two trigger warnings but most. Each game only has one power on display in the hands of a normal person (at least openly, there are theories) and so far they haven't even met, but are in very much the same world as shown by characters reappearing so obviously it's still in the realm of heroes season 1

@dash4800 10 месяцев назад

Yep, they had the premise for the pitch, which was the setup part of the show, but after that, nothing.

@DCMarvelMultiverse Год назад

It educated mainstreamers in comic book style story arcs, superhero tropes, and the need for miniseries over ongoing TV series as well as the need for lower episode counts.

@rickybaillie4222 Год назад

This show broke more hearts than chris Hemsworth

@justanotherjessica Год назад

My husband and I have been rewatching Heroes. I still love the show despite its flaws but I mourn for what it could have been. It's actually been fun pointing out the plot holes and dumb character decisions (why do they ALL stare at the eclipses, don't they know that's bad for your eyes?). I'm not sure if we'll watch Heroes Reborn, we started it during the initial run but never finished it. Not sure if it's worth watching.

@ViviVariety Год назад

I feel similarly, I think Season 1 and the second half of Season 3 are still equal parts fun and interesting, and there's always dumb stuff you can laugh at throughout. And the rest isn't unwatchable either... ... Although Reborn comes close... It's honestly not really worth watching in my opinion. It started off promising but then spirals into a lot of the dumb stuff Heroes was known for. I would have stopped watching myself if it wasn't for this video to be honest.

@Tarikkb 11 месяцев назад

The first season of the show captured its essence brilliantly , it was unique , you could feel the scale of the stress , stakes and it had this feeling that I just can’t explain but I think it was just epic in every way , idk but there was something futuristic , poetic and captivatingly biblical yet fresh and new , they tried to ride off of that and became a shadow of their own vision , which isn’t shocking cuz most tv shows go through that when they have to stretch the material for money

@dakotaloven1362 11 месяцев назад

The plot suffered a lot in places some due to the writers strike others due to the fact that I'm not totally sure these people completely understood superhero media you got Peter's girlfriend he lost in the future then instantly forgot about you got Maya and Alejandra who were added to the show for literally no reason barely having their own story mostly being there for syler to steal their powers

@flavsdepadua8516 11 месяцев назад

I remember how much hope and excitement I had watching the three first episodes, I was building theories and talking to my classmates about thousands way they could take the story. … And then nothing

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

In hindsight I feel like Heroes was a mass case of everyone huffing military grade copium...at least after a point lol

@popescumircea5389 Год назад

I am heart broken this has so few views, this is a great video and I can see the work that went into it. Thank you for the video and I wish you all the success in the world!

@kaileyselin8453 10 месяцев назад

The only thing I remember about Heroes is that it was Milo Ventimiglia’s most emo role to date. That hair in S1 totally fits the decade. Man, I miss the mid 2000’s.

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

I missed his Season 1 hair lol I remember getting annoyed when it was cut later on!

@anthonyanderson77 11 месяцев назад

To this day, I think season one was a perfect season of television.

@HeatherHolt 8 месяцев назад

Best line ever when bad guy says “hey Matt what am I thinking now?” with a gun to Matt’s head, and Noah says “Your last thought” and shoots bad guy. Omg I love it.

@vellichor7676 9 месяцев назад

My brother and I watched Heroes the night it premiered, back when we began college, Autumn 2006. Loved it. We weren't casual watchers; we were fans of the genre and full on nerds. By the time of the series finale it was my favorite show on television. The world loved Heroes. I can recall days after the finale Olivia Munn saying on Attack of the Show, the old G4 days: "Please, Tim Kring, don't mess this up!" I am harsher to the following seasons than you were in your video; I often use Heroes as a "what not to do" when teaching others in my creative writing lessons. You could sooner believe that the writers were intentionally sabotaging the show. Season Two had many issues that were obvious by episode one; after several episodes in, I remember being bored. The issues kept coming, though: characters being hideously written, backpedaling on progress (i.e. amnesia, tumors, loss of powers), terrible ideas, failing to execute ideas that had promise. I finished Season Two giving it a 5/10, and believed I was being lenient. The remaining seasons were worse. Just ghastly, ghastly writing, the equivalent of an artist sticking a paintbrush into his butt and attempting to paint something coherent via twerking. I can recall thinking that this was an overly elaborate prank on that Punk'd show: fooling all of the actors involved into thinking they were part of a hit show when in reality they were now trapped in an impossibly horrendous mess. I can only imagine the look on Adrian Pasdar's face when reading the script, seeing that Nathan would go from wanting to create an army of superpowered indivuduals to wanting to lead a government taskforce to lock up superpowered individuals in the span of two episodes. In my personal headcanon, the series ended with Season One; I find a thrill in not always having all the answers (i.e. who is Tom Bombadil in The Lord of the Rings? No one knows, and that creates intrigue), so I would be fine with the unfinished plotlines remaining that way. They defeated Sylar, the heroes sacrificed themselves to do so, and the curtain falls.

@ViviVariety 9 месяцев назад

Oh trust me, I understand exactly where you're coming from. I used to be way harsher on the show, but nowadays I at least try to look at both sides to something. But yeah, I don't think there's any debate on the show's quality later on. Yes, there are some good moments (being generous with the wording here), but a LOT of trash as well.

@STOTTINMAD 11 месяцев назад

I loved Heroes' first season. Sylar will always be an amazing villain. Kind of want him to side step into another universe

@casnova0471 11 месяцев назад

This is one one of the greatest what ifs they never recovered from the writers strike

@morrisonscott1139 Год назад

For me personally, If Heroes were to go on for more than one season then I think they should have done more build up for the god-tier trio, Peter, Sylar and Hiro, and their powers are introduced last in the final seasons.

@ViviVariety Год назад

I think that could have really worked in the show's favor, especially if the characters start out weaker and get to their end points more gradually. For example, if Hiro could only slow down time in the beginning, he could slowly work his way to the even stronger powers. As opposed to where the OP trio basically become gods by season 1.

@Deimonos85 10 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety excatly.. sylar should remain how he was because he is the villain... hiro, like you said.. had to make an extreme effort and only slow time for a bit... maybe passing out if he were to stop it for i dont know.. 10 seconds... and getting better at it with time.. just like an RPG game.. and peter.. he should have the powers of people close to him... and 0 when nobody was present.. that would make him super OP at times and useless at other times... and maybe with time and relationship development... develop his power as in retaining the abilities he learned... first.. the flying from Nathan... healing from Claire... telepathy from Matt.. etc

@tybellsprout Год назад

I feel similarly. Heroes was the first show I got invested in and the first to let me down. It was a lot of fun revisiting my first TV show that I started out loving and watched hoping that each chapter could recapture the magic. I hope you continue making videos, I think you have a good cadence to your talking, convey your thoughts clearly, and keep the interjections humor to a good level.

@VictorDiGiovanni 11 месяцев назад

I’d have to go back and double-check the dates, by my memory of watching this show was that the “Company Man” episode was the absolute high point of the series, and it occurred the same week as the low point of LOST, which is the Jack’s Tattoos episode. I remember discussing with my friends that it had flipped, and that Heroes was now the best show on TV, supplanting LOST. But also, that totally flipped back right after. Heroes went off a cliff right after that, while LOST introduced the flash-forward, which breathed new life into LOST, for at least a while until it went all the way off the rails.

@emmamaki5862 Год назад

Even though your takes don't entirely match up with mine, I've gotta appreciate the acknowledgement that the show's decline wasn't as simple as how people present it. While the overall quality of each volume obviously varies, even at its best the show had flaws, and even amidst the tedious nonsense in the later seasons there were some good times to be had. Maybe the show would have been objectively better had it been more of an anthology series with a revolving cast as Kring intended, but personally I'm glad I watched the show we got all the way through as-is. In fact, if I ever get the equipment for it I might just make a video essay on the topic myself one day...

@ViviVariety Год назад

I appreciate that sentiment for sure. It's a bit of a misconception that the Writers Strike "ruined Heroes", but I always felt it was a case of an unfortunate coincidence, and I'm glad my research also added to that initial hypothesis. There's a lot of "what-ifs" with Heroes, and while it is fun to think about things like Exodus and a potential anthology, it doesn't help to dwell on what could have been. Heroes is what it was, the most we can hope for is a spiritual successor of sorts. Also you should totally make a video on Heroes as well! It's a fascinating topic for discussion, and it's always cool to see what other fans think of it!

@queenoftheoutlands 11 месяцев назад

Arthur Petrelli killing Adam, the show's best villain, was not only unforgivable from a writing point of view, but the fact that he would murder cowardly, bribable, indestructible Adam but attempt to manipulate volitile, vengeful Sylar, made him truly too dumb to live, not to mention he could have taken the healing factor from Peter without killing him off, since he takes Peter's powers like an episode later anyway. If it was an actor scheduling thing, just keep Adam in the box until you can write him a decent plotline and/or David Anders becomes available for more than a few episodes. So many reasons why that plot point infuriates me.

@b-ry3545 11 месяцев назад

Spot on. Killing Adam Monroe was such a huge mistake. I raged way back when, haha.

@Missjunebugfreak 10 месяцев назад

For real, killing Adam Monroe was such a stupid writing decision. He could have been one of the show's best villains.

@JonnyParker- 4 месяца назад

Yeah plus they never got into the past that Adam and Arthur and the old company forming properly they just skirted around it with Angela and Suresh . Really was hoping to see more of Adam and Arthur in that season but yeah man whatever.

@CooperDianeBob 11 месяцев назад

It always makes me cry watching thinfs about heroes, it was such a powerful and important thing in my childhood breaks my heart that it completely lost its way

@156892 11 месяцев назад

First tv drama I got invested into, this was during my highschool days, very much enjoyed the show. I still think about it here and then, and I still remember "Save the Cheerleader, save the World." Regardless of how far it falloff, I still remember it fondly. This might be copium but maybe one day, we'll get a reboot of the entire thing, a re-make of the entire show.

@andifer4541 Год назад

Suddenly remembered this series was a thing. Never finished it and was wondering how it ended. Very dissapointed to learn how Reborn mistreated the characters even more. I feel like the writers strike helped out Lost. The shortened season on rewatch has a nice pace. Heroes had potential to be handled the same way. Fire Emblem reference, Persona music and great presentation. Thanks for recaping it and explaining what went wrong. Also kind of realized Robert Knepper was Giancarlo Esposito at the time where people wanted him to fill villains shoes in their shows. S tier presentation. I enjoyed it. Don't usually comment, but have to leave some kind of encouragement because the work you did here was great!

@shauntempley9757 11 месяцев назад

As someone that watched all of the shows, and also Heroes Reborn, I actually like Reborn more. It is a cathartic watch for me, after the despair that is Torchwood: Children Of Earth, which is what Reborn was commenting on in its main moment. Which was about grandfathers in both shows. I also love how it connects to certain moments in previous chapters, and also how Hiro seemed to be in to different stories.

@BadgerOff32 9 месяцев назад

I think my biggest issue with it was the constant cliffhangers. Not just the big, end-of-season cliffhangers, but every single episode ended on a cliffhanger too! I've heard that the reason for this is because the shows were written one at a time. The writers hadn't written scripts for the entire season, they wrote each episode individually, the same way comic books are released, hence why every episode ended on a cliffhanger. The writers often didn't know, or have a plan for, what would happen in the next episode until they had written it. I've seen interviews with the cast stating that no-one knew if or when their characters would die, and getting to read each script was both exciting and scary for them, exciting because they would get to find out where the story went next, but scary because they also never knew if their character would survive that episode, and they'd be out of a job. Now writing a show that way sounds interesting on paper, but the end result is that nothing ever gets resolved. Nothing ever actually.......happens. They'd start an interesting storyline, get 2 or 3 episodes into it, then they'd get bored of it, quickly and unsatisfyingly resolve it, and then start a new story. Then they'd get bored of that one and start another one. Rinse and repeat. It became infuriating to watch! I just wanted something, _ANYTHING_ to happen, but nothing ever did! I wanted to see more of the badass future Peter and Hiro who have mastered their powers. I wanted to see Peter and Sylar go at each other properly. At one point they started off an 'X-Men' style story where the villains formed a faction, and the heroes had to team up to try and stop them. I wanted to see that, but the writers got bored of that within about 2 episodes! By the end I found myself cheering on the big 'World Ending Catastrophe' to actually happen. At least that would have been cool and changed the status quo of the show.

@ViviVariety 9 месяцев назад

That's something I noticed as I rewatched it as well, and even the episodes themselves were edited in a a way to constantly end on "cliffhangers". Like in the middle of the episode it would build up to a dramatic moment for like, two different storylines. It drove me nuts after a while. And the episode endings as well were just as annoying, as you mentioned. I think it's reflective of the time period, where shows really needed that viewer retention. And that's fine, it clearly worked with Heroes because a lot of fans kept getting strung along for years... But it does make for a really annoying viewing experience. Especially on a rewatch, because it just feels like the show was trying to keep us invested in a really lazy and cheap way.

@maridit169 11 месяцев назад

I loved season 1 so so much! For me, it always reminds me of the great shows we had in the mid 2000s, before the rise of superhero movies and remakes - such inspiration and creativity and stellar storytelling! Sadly it all went downhill for Heroes. So much potential wasted, as was so beautifully laid out in this video essay. While watching this, I also was strongly reminded of Westworld, which went a similar route. I'll never stop being sad about that show and Heroes, but I will also never stop loving their early seasons!

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

Oof, Westworld is a really good (and accurate) comparison lol.

@bhoqeem1975 11 месяцев назад

I have the complete series tuck in somewhere in my SSD. I loved it so much. The story was amazing!

@joshuaforde1043 11 месяцев назад

This series always felt like it was written on the fly

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

It basically was, especially when you look at things like Kring scrapping Exodus, the retcons, and the wishy washy character arcs (Sylar being the best example). Like I know it's a bit of a pitfall to plan EVERYTHING out because a show needs to adapt on the fly, but Heroes did feel like the writers were just throwing stuff at the wall at a point.

@personanonmaga5178 11 месяцев назад

you'd be surprised just how may shows are run like this. even some really good ones

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

Oh no you're absolutely right, like off the top of my head Breaking Bad was written basically season to season, and most sitcoms are as well. Like with most things, it depends on who's writing it, because a skilled writer/showrunner can improv really well and make it feel seamless.

@kateslate3228 10 месяцев назад

Writer's strike, baby.

@abadyr_ 11 месяцев назад

"Oh my God! They killed Nathan!"

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

Those bastards!

@ShadowHawk2012 10 месяцев назад

The anthology series idea with occasional cameos and teamups as needed from the cast of previous seasons for plot reasons would have been the best way forward, but given how popular the cast were after series 1 I guess they felt that a whole new cast would have been a big risk...

@mhawang8204 10 месяцев назад

I think the original anthology plan for Heroes would be way better, perhaps keeping The Company as the overarching big bad. The popularity of the show probably derailed the plan. Sylar was Quinta’s breakout role; fans loved this cool villain, so of course they tried to redeem him, but that ruin his “charm” imo. Most of the issues mentioned in this video could have been avoided if they just started with a new cast/characters. Then again, Heroes Reborn showed that maybe they couldn’t even make a good show with a clean slate…

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

You basically summed up all my thoughts. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but the original vision of an anthology series pretty much solved all the problems that would later plague the show. And yet, Reborn stands out in that it WAS that chance to be an anthology series, and we all know how great Reborn was.

@GrimDarkHalfOff 10 месяцев назад

You can still find the Sylar Super Cut of this show that is literally all 4 seasons into a 1 hour movie. It's basically just the show's best hits.

@TheAurgelmir 9 месяцев назад

It's funny, one of the shows that sort of sparked the modern TV's "binge worthy" ongoing story trends was 24. A show which was the same damn story for three seasons, before they managed to change it up into something interesting for a few seasons after that. Proving that you sometimes need to break the mold and move away from the same characters to make a good story.

@ViviVariety 9 месяцев назад

How was 24? I heard a lot of buzz when it first aired, but I never heard much about it beyond the first few seasons.

@lauzzothelozenge35 11 месяцев назад

All I remember is my mum absolutely loved this show but whenever we’d sit down to watch it together she’d always fall asleep lol

@Spainog 11 месяцев назад

I also remember that there was a series of comics that you could bread online that actually developed a lot for the history on many characters. Loved those too

@bsabruzzo 11 месяцев назад

I think the Legacy that Heroes the TV series has streaming services and how they put out there TV series, doing overall arcs and having very concisely written seaeon of 10 or 13 or 15 episodes, rather than 22 eisodes with filler, and then taking a year, two years, or three years and get to the next season to make sure it's well-written. One could even say that the way they do seasons now almost strike proofs them.

@shoorooloo 11 месяцев назад

I watched the first half of the first season with my college roommate and remember enjoying it. I'd heard it nosedived and that the rest of the show wasn't really worth it, but I've always been curious to see how it played out. Might give it another shot if I get bored enough haha. Great video.

@obijaykenobi90 Год назад

It is criminal that this has only 930 views as of the time of this comment. I remember this was, just like you, the first show I was really invested in. Great video!

@penguwave4025 11 месяцев назад

Not gonna lie. I COMPLETELY forgot that Reborn existed. I know I watched it now that you bring it up but I can't remember a single thing

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I also forgot about Reborn, both when it originally came out, and when I planned to write this video lol.

@chronicallychic 10 месяцев назад

Great video. Heroes season one will always remain one of my favourite seasons of television which I have rewatched many times. The others are sadly nowhere near as good, but I do often wonder what the show would've looked like had it gone as originally planned.

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

Heroes often just makes for such a fun thought experiment. "What if it followed the anthology format?", "what if Kring followed through with Exodus as the Season 3 opening?", and so on and so forth.

@blaze6477 Год назад

Very good video. I liked how you actually went into detail about the Villains, Fugitives and Redemption Volumes unlike other youtubers who talk about Heroes. I agree with you saying that fans can't blame all of the shows failure on the writer's strike it wasn't the only contributing factor. I personally liked the finale of Volume 1 and the build up towards the last episode were my favourites of season 1. The Homecoming and Six months ago episodes were great too. I view Villains as my guilty pleasure honestly, I do find enjoyment in watching it. Arthur's evilness is entertaining to watch for me but it is frustrating how much of a paper thin character he is and a bad antagonist as a result. I personally enjoyed Redemption and I loved Samuel's character. Most likely because of Robert Knepper's performance.

@11679MRT 8 месяцев назад

The greatest first season of any TV show.

@jamesabernethy7896 10 месяцев назад

I only recently found your channel, although your Dune was the first one I commented on this was the first one I watched. I really liked your Nolan / Batman videos too. I liked Heroes but I will be honest I had forgotten about some of the shortcomings. After watching Heroes, 'The 4400' was suggested to me and I bought the DVD set. Although quite different at times there are also similarities between the 2 series. Heroes looked like it had a bigger budget, but I only realised later that 'The 4400' came out before 'Heroes'. I was surprised at the time how few people had heard it. And yet, 'Heroes' was a phenomena of its time that everyone was talking about.

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

Do you think it's because Heroes had the benefit of being on NBC, therefore reaching a wider audience? I imagine that could be the reason why people heard of it before something on another network. I'm also curious about the 4400, I've seen a few other people mention it.

@tyrant-den884 9 месяцев назад

the beggining of the the "We're sorry we are super heores" arc of superheroes, which only the Dark Knight did well.

@beansfebreeze 11 месяцев назад

I'm crying I was literally going to make this exact video but ty for doing it both first and better lmao

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

Hey, go for it anyways! Everyone's got a unique perspective, and I'm always interested in seeing how others feel about similar topics!

@kuivia 11 месяцев назад

I still remember falling completely inlove with Hayden from this show 😅😅 absolutely stunning

@fatbrowne Год назад

Great video. I watched all of Heroes and Heroes Reborn but I didn't start watching it until it was out on Netflix around 2009-2010. I also watched Heroes Reborn with such high hopes. I agree with every point you made in this video. What I always wanted to know is what happened to Peter's girlfriend in season 2? Caitlin, how could the writers or anyone not bring this up just to close that plot hole. Another thing I wonder is what happened to the person who could create black holes or a Vortex to suck people into. His name was Stephen Canfield but I felt like he had the most powerful ability if he was able to target the God-like Heroes he could take out anyone he wanted at that point.

@ViviVariety Год назад

Thanks for the compliment! And I feel the same as you in most of what you said. I tried to research if they ever addressed the Caitlin incident, but they just...didn't. I suppose they thought it never needed a resolution, but it's just so weird that they never explained what happened at all. Even a throw away line from Peter would have been something. And as for Stephen, I completely agree, and he was part of a talking point where I talked about the powers more. Something I noticed about the show is that there's a TON of really broken powers, and it's not always the overtly strong powers either. Powers like Claude's invisibility, Candace's illusion powers, or Eden's persuasion are very very strong, and in most cases, the show either... 1. Has the characters act stupid as to not take advantage of the powers or, 2. Gets rid of the busted characters somehow. Usually by killing them. In the end it ended up on the cutting room floor because it got too long winded (like now lol) but long story short, I agree completely. Characters like Stephen Canfield are insanely powerful, and whenever a character seems too strong, the show usually responds accordingly.

@bigreaderpike 11 месяцев назад

What annoyed me about season 2 is Peter travels back in time leaves his girlfriend in the future then he changes history essentially erasing his girlfriend. From the timestream and he never even mentioned her again

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I know right? Like it's so easy to at the very least, address it later on. Especially because Season 2 makes Peter's relationship with Caitlin a huge deal. I get that Peter saves the future and all, but RIP to Caitlin I guess, either dead from Covid or erased from existence.

@bigreaderpike 11 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety I think I read from an interview with one of the creators that she was erased.

@jeffhough7460 11 месяцев назад

I remember this I wish they would have done more it was so good!

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

Well, never say never...

@jshy6969 11 месяцев назад

Great video. Phenomenal, detailed breakdown!

@mikell2589 Год назад

Amazing video 😀I really enjoyed it

@starlord1521 10 месяцев назад

Im just here to praise you for including a Melty Blood OST in the video. I was legit shocked when I heard it lmao

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

I'll always look for an excuse to rep Type-Moon whenever possible :)

@starlord1521 10 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety based

@hasan_1888 Год назад

Great Video Sir. In my opinion 2 key ingredients made Heroes successful. 1) The mystery element. The whole mystery in S01 of who or how new york blows up and hows isaac's paintings affect the future of our characters was intriguing from the start. It was always gonna make viewers glued to their tvs. Although s3 did try to maintain some form of mystery with Arthur Petrelli/the company , it wasn't impactful like s01. 2)The second element was chemistry of our heroes working together. When you have a show with a unique set of characters, its vital that they spent time together just like how LOST did. After s1 we rarely saw that. S2 was a slow burn but it was would have been a good slow burn if we had more relationship building between clarie-nathan or even noah-mohinder-matt. With Hiro in the past, Ando had nothing to do. There should have been more friendships between hiro-claire or peter-claire or hiro-nathan or matt-noah or even mohinder-nathan. In s4, we finally got to see hero and peter and peter and claire actually talk together liek friends. But it was too late. THE SHOWS BIG BLUNDERS: 1)Tim kring wanted to kill of the main characters and introduce new characters each season. That idea was a big mistake since he failed to think that maybe us the fans would fall in love with our original characters and would hate it if they were killed off in the very first season. Its like if Lost had killed sawyer/locke/jack. 2)One of the blunders was making peter claire's uncle. In a show like this you should have a main couple. peter and claire were perfect. What was the point of making nathan claire father? they hardly developed that relationship. 3)Making sylar take claire;s power ruined the series as there was no way to kill him. Tension is gone. So neither the villain nor the hero could die. Sylar was ultra OP and should have not stayed beyond season S01. Taking away peters and hiro;s powers was also dumb.

@HinaHoro.Oficial 11 месяцев назад

I miss the Heroes. Was a great show❤

@DaemonCorps 11 месяцев назад

As it aired, I stopped watching somewhere in season 3. I then tried rewatching with my sister on streaming a while back and we got up to the start of season 5, saw the carnival people were clearly being framed as the villains, and had to stop for sanity's sake (but we do agree season 4 was a good attempt to return to form). Good video, subbed 👍🏽

@michaelveruasa8268 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I needed this. I’m a fan of the superhero genre. Heroes blew me away but also noticed something lacking past season 1. Im planning on watching heroes reborn but decided to look for reviews first since I dont mind getting spoiled plotwise if it will save me time.

@ViviVariety 5 месяцев назад

Obviously I'm biased, but unless you're really, REALLY curious, or a completionist, I'd definitely recommend just skipping Reborn entirely. The good stuff it has just isn't that good, and there's a loooot of dumb stuff. I honestly was content with just stopping Heroes at Season 4, and if it wasn't for this video, I'd never have even bothered with Reborn.

@Masonicon Год назад

Heroes is still my favorite live action TV Show Arthur Petrelli Powerdraining Hiro Nakamura killed Heroes tv show for me at very least just as much as Peter's nerf for anyone else so I can make Hiro refuse to join Pinehearst company in my mega-crossover

@ETPlayground 8 месяцев назад

Heroes is one of those shows that really makes me wish I could be an adult in the era I grew up in.

@ViviVariety 8 месяцев назад

Me too, I was in high school when it was airing, and I just got into it as Season 4 was airing. But I definitely heard a lot about it!

@FoxTashikata 10 месяцев назад

Man i kind of forgot about HEROES but I definitely remember liking it when I watched it as a teenager. I dont remember these later season though

@jeffbrownstain 10 месяцев назад

I wholeheartedly believe MCU wouldn't exist without Heroes. This show was. Certainly something.

@bakingbuds5778 8 месяцев назад

You know I’ve never watched heros and watched this video to confirm if it’s worth my time and I must say I got hooked after watching the first 2 episodes

@ViviVariety 8 месяцев назад

Mate, the first few episodes are so good! Whenever I rewatch them, I completely understand why it was such a sensation.

@lyflingx23 11 месяцев назад

1st season was epic. I remembered taking my lunch break at work to run home and put a vhs tape in my vcr to record it for me and my bf to watch later.😂😂

@eon001 11 месяцев назад

Recently watched the first season again, and I was shocked how well it held up. Sadly they just didn't have the material to sustain continued long form content. Wouldn't have been a better mini series. Quality over quantity. Don't spread yourself too thin.

@EvanQueenSummers Год назад

Honestly, I enjoyed volumes 3 and 4 a lot more than "Generations"

@ViviVariety Год назад

Completely understandable! While I really don't like Volume 3, at least it has genuine progression over 2...and Volume 4 is straight up legitimately good most of the way through

@manleeman5212 11 месяцев назад

Super great breakdown overall thanks for this. Show meant alot to me growong up despite its flaws and poor conclusion

@chardaskie 8 месяцев назад

I was 6. 6! When this came out. And just before the explosion of social media but I still heard about this show and how big it was gunna be. Always wondered what happened to it

@robchuk4136 Год назад

Woof. I can't speak to Heroes Reborn since I couldn't get past the first episode, but man what a journey... Of pain, lol. Heroes is a good example of why people are too hard on L O S T. The earth-powered guy from season 4 was a villain I really liked. He was clearly a Magneto analog, and I don't know why it took the show so long to have one of those. If it wasn't for his motivation twist, I'd probably rank him as the series' second-best antagonist after Sylar. The one I liked least was Arthur Petrelli. Robert Forester was a great actor, but as the Big Bad, he just didn't do it for me. If you can't tell, I'm a villains guy. (Of all the volumes, guess which one I was looking forward to the most? haha) Yea, Season 3 was rough. It did have a guy who could create vortexes, and I thought that was pretty cool. The second-half saves it though, thanks to the Fugitives arc, which I was trying to get my friends to come back and watch, but they'd already bailed on the show by then. Anyway, this was good stuff. I liked that Dragon Ball reference, lol. Thanks

@juliusfishman7222 3 месяца назад

Definitely gonna rewatch

@ViviVariety 3 месяца назад

Go for it! Despite my critical tone I didn't hate all of it. I'd absolutely recommend Seasons 1 to 3 to most people.

@BlackStarrTurnsHeel 11 месяцев назад

"Heroes" was different. It could've been on the level of the X-Files and other TV shows that came out on FOX, WB, and UPN back in the 90s and early 00's but the writers strike hurt the show. I think they should remake the show for Netflix and HBO and make sure it's produced by a solid team that wants the show to win.

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

I'm not opposed to a full remake, but I worry the brand/IP has too much baggage at this point. I think if a remake is a critical knockout it has a chance, but still, I wonder if it's just better to use an original IP that functions as a spiritual successor.

@naterksmr 7 месяцев назад

I know it's been said before but nerfing Peter really killed the show. Whether they had different writers than the early seasons or if they just lost their nerve, you could tell they were too afraid to have an "overpowered" protagonist. And to be fair, a lot of shows fail with an overpowered protagonist, especially when they just keep getting stronger. But plenty of shows have done it by digging deep into a psychological perspective - which the first and even second season handled well. All that said, Zachary Quinto's performance as Sylar throughout the series was one of my all-time favorites of any show. The story of a good man who is enticed with the irresistible temptation of acquiring superpowers at the terrible price of murder - who constantly is raging war inside himself between good and evil - seen as a monster because the evil side usually wins. A man who is used by people around him for their own selfish goals at critical times when he needs help and support the most. He nailed that role in a way no one else ever could have. Even at times when the writing wasn't the best, his character shined through with his brilliant acting prowess.

@ViviVariety 7 месяцев назад

My issue with Peter is weird because I actually liked how he was nerfed. It made for more creative usage of powers because there was a risk to ditching one for a new power. He had to act smarter, not just overpower the enemy. That said, I definitely would have liked if they kept him OP, with the caveat of doing exactly what you said: don't focus on his powers, focus on HIM, like this thoughts, internal struggles, etc. It's totally doable as well, as I'll always point to Superman as like the textbook example. I think for the level of writing that the show had by Season 2, nerfed Peter was a good change...but if the writers had more confidence or skill, I'd definitely loved to see a full powered Peter that had something else that was compelling, like something psychological as you mentioned. For example, I think Peter growing more jaded over time, as he becomes later in the show, could be a legitimate conflict that could work whether he's nerfed or not, if that makes sense. And couldn't agree more about Sylar, I think Zachary Quinto's performance is one of the reasons people love him so much. Even when the writing wasn't great for Sylar, Zachary Quinto brought his A game.

@jimmyboydonald6578 Год назад

I really enjoyed the first season but got frustrated in the 2nd season. Because the ratings dropped so heavily in the 2nd season the broadcast time in my country kept getting pushed back. It was originally on at 8:30pm, but then pushed back to 10:30, then 11:30 and then finally 12:30am, making it far too late to invest in. I stopped watching then since my network lost enthusiasm for the show.

@ViviVariety Год назад

Sheesh, that sounds painful. Well, at least your country ended up doing you a favor, you got to watch Heroes at it's absolute best before the long, steady decline lol

@VundalI 11 месяцев назад

Heroes could definitely come back, especially with how much the public loves the genre now

@ViviVariety 11 месяцев назад

It's certainly possible, although I wonder if the brand has too much baggage at this point. We could very well end up with a Reborn 2.0 situation.

@ciarajones4970 10 месяцев назад

Was thinking the same thing, however Claire's character couldn't come back as her power stopped her from aging past a certain point, Peter absorbed Claire's power and syler took Claire's power. That's 3 main characters out unless they come up with a crazy plot where Hiro reversed shit lol. I'd love a reboot with the original cast however I think it's highly unlikely.

@appouhal 9 месяцев назад

@@ciarajones4970Claire was revealed to have died in childbirth in Heroes Reborn.

@ThirtyThree-sq2ie 8 месяцев назад

I watched this video in one sitting. I've never even watched the show, but I read about it sometimes. And this video was informative and a great analysis on why Heroes ended up sucking. A lot of repetitiveness and lame villains, it looks like. Not to mention its other issues. I love the ending line of this video. How you hope some talented writers build off Heroes's foundation and create something even more extraordinary. That would be great.

@Ryecrash617 11 месяцев назад

Season 1 helped me get my wife interested in superheroes. Season 2 almost took that interest away if it wasn't for the MCU.

@GwydionAE 11 месяцев назад

I was doing a rewatch of the show not too long ago. Still enjoy season 1, and season 2 was fine if a bit boring (I know that ideas and execution are two different things, but man am I sad we didn't get to see the way it was supposed to go). Season 3, though... this was the point I jumped ship while it was airing, and it was very easy to see why. It really was pretty bad. But something came up during my rewatch, and I just kind of stopped before hitting the Fugitives volume, and I haven't gone back to it yet. This video is making me want to as I do remember enjoying season 4 (even if not as much as season 1), and I'd like to see if that feeling still holds up. I think I'll skip Reborn, though - once was enough, lol.

@johankaewberg8162 5 месяцев назад

Truly loved the first season . There was also a Swedish/Danish copy, “De Drabbade”. The homeless man with the power of invisibility. The dominatrix prostitute with the Voice of Command (absolute command over every human. She is on the side of bad :-) And probably the most powerful ). Loved that, learn Swedish and watch.

@Dark_Brandon_2024 5 месяцев назад

cast selection was perfect ngl

@ViviVariety 5 месяцев назад

It really was, I think that's likely the biggest reason why Heroes became what it did. The audience was so attached to the cast that it was hard to pivot away from that.

@Jokervision744 11 месяцев назад

In short Heroes had that something what made it one of the best... Yeah, I miss shows like that, because I can't really say there are any as good, or been that many good shows. This show really hit the right notes, for being cute, serious, and even scary, but not really reaching levels of being fairytale-like, even if the theme of the show, and the effects played for cutouts and sounds to highlight surprises carried that floaty magical feel. The way it kept going made it bit flat, but if I remember correctly there was writers strike, which lead to the flat continuity. I guess by the time reborn came out I gave up on watching TV so much, and I'm not sure was it even displayed here.

@Paint_The_Future 9 месяцев назад

In early Volume Three, Nathan miraculously heals from being shot in the previous season. I wondered what the resolution to that was going to be, it would have been easy to make someone a healer and heal him, but they literally never address it. It happens moments after Future Peter kisses Nathan on the head, so maybe he has Ishi Nakamura's (Hiro's mother from the past) ability, but Future Peter seemed surprised about the healing.

@ViviVariety 9 месяцев назад

Yeah I completely forgot about that! Doesn't Nathan just go straight into that weird delusion arc as well? For some reason I thought they addressed his healing because Claire tells Peter she can heal Nathan with her blood, and Peter says "no it's too risky". But I think you're right, they just skip over how Nathan healed and just move into his next storyline huh...

@Paint_The_Future 9 месяцев назад

@@ViviVariety He had a religion arc but yeah same thing. lol gottem

@thetcgreseller5238 11 месяцев назад

Season 1 is definitely the best just has the overall tightest story season 2 is pretty great too a smart idea to have all of that season built upon the older legacy characters founders of the company and the whole buildup of Adam was well done though Season 3 is where things really kind of fell off The back and forth with Skyler them always revealing his true backstory and then falling back later and changing it again Robert Foster was a great as the main villain for the first half Plus it was just cool to have more villains I don't think a lot of people like the second half of season 3 I actually thought it was pretty great The human versus mental humans beat was pretty fun Even the last season of the original series had some good stuff going for it downgrading Peter's abilities to only be able to have one at a time felt like a really good compromise for storytelling and it just made Peter more compelling to me he wasn't just a overpowered plot device anymore and again I thought the villains were good Robert keeper and Ray Park were a lot of fun to watch

@liquidsleepgames3661 11 месяцев назад

Save the cheerleader save the world.

@nonamenoone1484 Год назад

Loved watching this vid, what an awesome trip down memory lane! I was a Huge fan of this show when it came out and bought all the box sets of each season. This was a really big deal show way back when. Never got to see Reborn, but I didn’t hear good things when it came out, and now I see it’s probably not worth checking out anyway. Great job man, and thanks for this!

@thiagof414 11 месяцев назад

This was fun. Thank you.

@kennyhudson9201 9 месяцев назад

This Is Us was just Heroes without the superpowers.

@propheinx2250 8 месяцев назад

I didn't mind seasons 2-3. You're right, they got lesser each season, but I rather enjoyed the theme of its time travel that emerged after season 1: no matter what you do to change the future, it's going to happen.

@ViviVariety 8 месяцев назад

I don't necessarily disagree, it's a common time travel theme that's always interesting to see. But at the same time, I kind of wish the show leaned less on the future and prescience overall. I really don't like how it was a focus for over half the show's volumes, and it overstayed it's welcome imo. I think I'm a little biased because everything from the Terminator films, Dune, to Steins Gate handles a similar theme of "you can't change the future" , but because they're time travel/future focused stories, there's ample time dedicated to exploring that theme, like the psychological effects and story ramifications. Whereas with Heroes, the time travel and themes associated with it never really evolved into something different or unique, if that makes sense.

@MrTrueFury 10 месяцев назад

Just got done rewatching it eariler this year and yeah you're absolutely right and also holy shit that alternative season 2/3 sounded amazing. Also also, justice for Caitlin

@personafanatic4597 11 месяцев назад

friend got me into this show and i loved the first season but then bits and pieces of later seasons and remember very little of season 4. it could have been better overall but wasn't that bad and i own seasons 1-3 so it's got decent rewatch ability

@ViviVariety 10 месяцев назад

I think the issue is just that you have to sift through a lot of junk to get to the good stuff. Every season has at least something worth checking out, besides maybe Reborn. I think if you're exceptionally patient, you'll probably enjoy the whole series.

@SeattleWaffle 8 месяцев назад

Aw man, I remember this show. In hindsight it reminds me of the Halloween franchise; initially intended as an anthology series but the 2nd installation kept following the same characters and when they try to change things up it gets weird (Season of Witch slaps though)

@ViviVariety 8 месяцев назад

Wait, Halloween was meant to be an anthology?? That...kind of makes a lot of sense lol

@blurryperson2685 Год назад

I can already see why the exodus storyline got scratched. Thats insanely close to the first season of the 4400 and there were already rumblings at the time about "borrowed" storylines

@ViviVariety Год назад

That's interesting. I've never seen the 4400, only heard about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if that factored in the Exodus storyline getting scrapped as well. When I was researching the only real pieces of evidence I stumbled upon all pointed to "Writers Strike put the fear of God in Kring" but I'll always be curious as to what else was going on.

@josephflanagan8957 2 месяца назад

All they had to do to save it after season 2 was make peter the main villan (similar to season 1 where he was the bomb) in season 3 because he cant control the hunger after getting sylars ability then make sylar the hero who teams up with everyone to kill Peter then in season 4 nathan becomes the main villan just as before starting the government org that hunts down people with abilities but now its because of Peter in season 3

@ViviVariety 2 месяца назад

I agree, I felt that was what I thought they were going for in Season 3 due to the focus on Heroes becoming Villains. I think that would have also made for a potential arc with Sylar as well , not to mention what they could have done with Claire and Matt since they were also in pretty dark places at that point.