High End Features For A Lot, Lot Less | Horage Supersede Review 

Ah yes, because the appearance of one company clearly proves a trend.

@@LittleBigPoet what point are you trying to make ?

@@jeanlefranc3817 the existence of one new company selling high horological pieces does not signify that a new golden age of wristwatches is emerging. There isn't enough momentum.

why it took so long to arrive

Thanks 🙏… simple straight forward 👍

'Can't decide between a diver, GMT, or dressy micro-rotor.' Yes. Or wanted all 3 at once.

'Supersede the rest of your collection.' Yes, that too. Only reason I skip 1-2 days/week is to see the power reserve come off of Topped.

Fair warning. That gold rotor looks like half a slice of pineapple.

The catch is no one knows the brand. But if that's not something you mind, it's not much of a catch is it?

The price, mostly.

The incomprehensible and irrational nature of a bleak and purposeless universe.

@@threethrushes damn

Bremont use K1, K2 Micro-rotor use only Horage.

@@tzuyuhuang6368 yeh - point being about horage

…then call me, i like good watches…

@Mingo No I don't. I bought my own watch with my own money. No inducements, no kickbacks.

On the white dial, it is a bit of a problem; I think the GMT hand should have been given a different color. On the darker dials, it's not really an issue because of the skeletonization.

CANT'S AGREE MORE

They did. The rubber was complimentary. The bracelet was shown at 6.07.

@@marclagalle1486 my bad, posted too early, thanks for pointing out

@@fahadkhan-db6bh no probs, I've done it before too and no doubt I'll do it again. We're all fallible.

It will not sell for $7k obviously.

As of now we are happy with sales. We are running pretty small volume on that. Including our investment into engineering of K2 since 2016 we end up somewhere in this pricing category. Sure excellent product for acceptable price is the thing we work towards and of course there are also some limits both up and downwards when it comes to pricing. Established big brands might go much higher with their pricing if they would have such a product. On the other hand our pricing capacity downwards is somewhat also limited if we want to continue to innovate and operate an above average large engineering team. Thanks for your thoughts, Andi.

Its GMT hand is in 12hr format.

I will get back to your comment tomorrow, because I think it is helpful to clear up some things. Thanks so far for your openness and thoughts.

@cos-9113 First of all thanks for deciding to order this watch and support us by doing so. Yes you are right, we have some challenges getting the watches out the door faster. This is mainly due to the fact that after having started the development of K2 in 2016, this Supersede project served as an initial going to market platform where we would inevitably face some unknowns along production. And with this uncharted territory situation some challenges arise when putting a new movement through its first major production run. We were and are convinced that the K2 design is ready for series production, but sure we have also underestimated the process of getting through COSC with a new movement. This is because our team needs to figure out how to regulate accordingly, to be able to increase the pass rate during Chronometer certification. There is a lot of dialing in of internal processes coming along our way right now. Furthermore, since the movements will only be tested without winding mechanism and dial side GMT module due to COSC testing requirements, we need to add parts and go through an extended additional test-run after the official certification process. Again there is a lot of fine tuning to be done and with every optimization on some aspects of our workflow we basically need to go back through a test cycle. Just to make sure watches leaving our workshop work fine. We have significantly increase our workforce to cope with the job at hand and as of now we stand at around 60% of watches from the current order backlog being shipped. We hope all of them are finally being shipped until middle of July. When it comes to thickness, we had to play it on the safe side and communicated this change. Perhaps in the review this information got lost. As you said and from the first feedback of the people who wear it, the thickness and overall proportion are well appreciated, and these extra tenths of millimeters do not make a significant difference. Perhaps on paper it would have looked nicer I agree, but in reality, it works fine with the overall look and feel. You bring up Christopher Ward as a comparison both in price and thickness. Firstly I want to congratulate them for the good job they do. We know members of the management and people working there and sure they have done a very good job in the past 19 years. They have been the first to understand the online business model and that going as direct as possible will allow them to offer a lot of watch for the money. Amazing achievement and as far as I can see they are a brand which will stay in the world of watches. It is these brands which we can credit to that fine mechanical watchmaking is gaining wider popularity, because they give this industry a new direction and make interesting watches more accessible. Well done. The Twelve is built on a SW300 which comes COSC ready from Sellita. My assumption is that this movement is currently produced at around 400.000 units per year. Although a more than 40 years old design it is a very good movement which through shear economy of scale over centuries can be offered at a fraction of the price compared to a brand new movement like our K2. At Horage we develop new high performing movements, and we try to offer them for an acceptable price by scaling production within our capabilities and keeping cost in check. Maintaining an above average large engineering team as a small company is unusual for an industry where most companies put their resources in sales and marketing. We think our right to exist is based on our ability to design and manufacture our own high performance movements and to give people access to the act of doing this. Perhaps there would be more easy ways to earn money, but we have made this decision to play the long game because we think there is room in the market for a brand like Horage which wants to demonstrate its chronometric capabilities and take its customers on this creation journey. Yes, and there are a lot of uncertainties along the way and we appreciate the trust and patience most of our fans put into what we do. Everybody who has a chance to come to Biel is welcome any time to get a first-hand impression on what we do and sure at some point some of the challenges we face along the manufacturing will be more understandable. That should not be an excuse for our current delay, but sometimes some things are being underestimated by people like us who take risks to make this industry more versatile and exciting. Then the only option left for risk takers like us is to ask for forgiveness and do our best to get the problems presenting themselves out of our way as quickly as possible. I think nobody is more happy than our team when all the watches have gone out the door. Just because the pressure we expose ourselves to during this first production run period is pretty high and not very comfortable at times. But we need to get through it now. And with the help and patience of our supporters I am sure we are only getting better every day. Finally some thoughts on the height comparison with the Twelve. Compared to the SW300 3-hands spec of the Christopher Ward watch, we need to make room to stack two additional hands (day-night indicator and GMT hand) underneath the regular 3-hands arrangement. Although the movement features the same height of 3.6mm as the Sellita (which has no additional function), we needed to make room for the hands with enough security in between them. Adding this hands stack in combination with our desire of better water resistance we ended up a little above the 10mm. In the overall context looking up- and down-market at comparable products, we think this is a very competitive offering in terms of style, performance, pricing and the story which comes a long with it. Including all the hiccups which we try to reduce to the minimum and handle them in the best possible and transparent way. Thanks again for your trust and in case you feel you want to have a more direct line of communication please reach out to me via Whatsapp or just drop a call. This is my private number +41798207402. All the best, Andi Felsl (CEO)

Hats off for taking the time to post such a long and detailed reply. I think mine is getting delivered today 🤞🏽

A nice comment this one is, thanks Yoda

Its so funny to hear this comment about Grand Seiko, because it is the exact same logic Rolex owners use. Something about peas in pods and 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other?

Let’s see if it vanishes down the road 😉

Let’s say we are getting better and better with every watch we make. At least this is what I observe from me being inside the company and being able to see how much refinement and discussion is going back and forth between the designs and engineering teams. But of course tastes and expectations vary a lot and we think this look goes well with us.

Thanks for the compliment and high quality comment😅

Multiple color dials available

Read in reality and you will find it very legible. It’s not always good to throw things into one’s face 😂

@@andifelsl What?

@@TheOwlGuy777 I had a look again at the piece in the metal here and moved it around in the light because of course I appreciate every input as a founder of the company. I also checked the pictures which have been made by independent reviewers online to see if there is really a problem of legibility with this combination. When pictures are being made with perfect lighting and from the front it might appear that the contrast is low: However in reality and due to the angeled diamond cut surfaces which point in different directions, the light hitting the silver surface, when slightly moving the watch out of its front plane, creates darker shades on at least one of the angled places to make good contrast to the white underground. I would even say the white is perhaps the one with the strongest contrast effect under changing light conditions. But anyhow thanks for your input.

Supersede delivery with 904 steel bracelet with a micro-adjustable buckle, the highly rugged FKM rubber strap material , hypoallergenic, chemical and heat resistant is an additional for early supporter as present. You may take a look: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_f_-uoTXlh8.html

Bracelet available

@@Griffin1994 sure

I ordered three with mine! They do stand up well to close inspection

How do you come to that conclusion?

98% Swiss made

@@Griffin1994 source? It’s a kickstarter brand with verbiage specifically about design and engineering in Biel, not manufacturing all parts there. It’s well-known in the watch industry that the label “Swiss made” is a very weak standard, to the point a watch with only a Swiss hairspring and all other parts Made in China, but that’s assembled in Switzerland, can be labeled “Swiss made.” Even Omega sources from Asia now and and even changed the verbiage on their website from “fully manufactured in Switzerland” to “Swiss made.” I applaud the small companies, like Sartory Billard, who actually list their suppliers and countries of origin. “Swiss made” doesn’t actually mean much.

@@cedshred1676 I am not sure where you get all your insider information from. First rule should be to buy from the best. And I think we have been very transparent about what we buy from where. But of course this requires following us and looking at what we do in detail. I can assure you that the majority of movement parts are being sourced from within Switzerland, because this is the place where you get the quality parts you need to make a premium swiss movement. Law even if it exists is secondary in this regards.

Why not 😉

Doch 😉