@@mikereiss4216 maybe but it was his whole persona. He wasnt worthy in his toxic narrow opinion. Instead of embracing listeners they had to overcome their own insecurities in a very pleabian way to make others feel less than them... Later that guy might have become a record producer for some well known Chicago record label.
I went to Uni in Brisbane in the late ’90s. My video store was an art/cult video store in the Valley called Trash Video-the VHS equivalent of the record store in this movie. Naturally, being fellow movie nerds, I’d get talking to the nerd behind the counter. One day, when I was talking to him, he bent down to pick something up . . . the extraneous amount of arse crack you see from JB in the scene is the most accurate part of this scene. I can’t watch it without thinking of that video store.
Good movie but would have been a great movie if they put in better music. Try to please so many with diverse musical genre is wrong. The movie should have been about The Replacements and staring the Replacements. All music by them too with a few exceptions. One soul, one funk, one pretty number for the ladies. Jack Black, there's no lovin this movie, Sugar, na na na babe, without enough Replacements.
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That is why I love Jack Black. He did a great job of paying someone that I can't stand. I always felt bad for that customer, and every time I see that scene, I don't feel bad for Rob for being broke.
it was a game they were playing. The "nerd" comes there to argue with Jack Black's character and if he sells him the record he won't have a reason to come back even though he wants too
The perfect record store scene. I've been in several record stores like this I used to spend a lot of time at. The obsessive nerd geek that wants that rare record, seen him many times, lol. And the snooty record store employees that "know everything" (they think) many times over. Brings back fond memories. I used to have many great discussions with several record store employees and owners about Progressive rock, and another guy who loved Neil Young, the Jayhawks, etc. I used to see many of these guys at local concerts etc I've also been in and bought stuff at Vintage Vinyl in Evanston which is the record store this partly was filmed at and is based on.
Heroes and Villains - Beach Boys - Smiley Smile Turn to Stone - Electric Light Orchestra - Out of the Blue Wouldn't it Be Nice - The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds In The Flesh? - Pink Floyd - The Wall Love and Mercy - Brian Wilson - Brian Wilson
Little known fact: Then, tired of being messed around, in a fit of rage, that "geek" got the last laugh by inventing peer-to-peer file sharing and destroying the entire record industry!
Hanging around the record store and talking about music with friends will always be the foundation of a happy life. Unless, of course, you are like these snobs.
Nothing wrong with having strong opinions about music. They often can have some base which can be enlightening. The problem for you probably is you can’t keep up -so they suck, had they welcomed you, let’s face it you’d be worse just to gain favor
Subjectively Best album openers. In no order: Greg Oblivion & The Tip-Tops - Head Shop - Watching My Baby Get Ready John Frusciante - Niandra Lades - As Can Be Velvet Underground - White Light White Heat - White Light White Heat The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead - The Queen Is Dead Richard Hell & The Voidoids - Blank Generation - Love Comes In Spurts Honorable Mentions: Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love - Live Wire (I don't even like Motley Crue. Goes to show how fantastic this opener is). The Descendants - Milo Goes To College - Myage Dolly Parton - Jolene - Jolene The Stooges - Raw Power - Search & Destroy New York Dolls - New York Dolls - Personality Crisis The Ramones - The Ramones - Blitzkreig Bop Kate Bush - The Dreaming - Sat On Your Lap Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire de Melody Nelson - Melody Booker T & The MGs - Green Onions - Green Onions
Violent Femmes-"Blister in the Sun" David Bowie-"Space Oddity" Led Zepplin-"Good Times, Bad Times" Foghat-"I Just Wanna Make Love To You" The Doors-"Break On Through" My list is probably a little mainstream, but I'm mostly into people's debuts.
@@mikemoore5270 Space Oddity and Break On Through are good picks. I considered venturing into Bowie or T. Rex for honorable mentions but my pretentious music store nerd list was already too long. The Doors and Jim Morrison's attitude + stage presence influenced way more great early punk bands than those bands would care to admit in the late 60's through early 80's. The musical landscape (for the music I like, at least) would be way different without them. Also considered Rocks Off from Exile on Main Street, but as fine a song it is, there are so many better songs on that near-perfect album that outshine it, that it feels like less of a stand-out opener in comparison. Blitzkreig Bop is my most cliche "Honorable Mention" pick, but imagining how that sound must've felt on first listen in 76, blasting out the speakers once home from the record store = definitely worth mentioning. I'm sure it would've absolutely blown me away if it hadn't been played to death by now.
Once I bought a Clanned cd, (Anam) at the local "hip," music store, it was close to Xmas, clerk guy looked me right in the face and disgustedly said, "this better be a gift. " It wasn't tho.😮
I worked in a record store about ten years after this movie came out as an older adult. It’s funny to me because our attitude towards our customers was completely different. We were grateful for every customer who walked through the door that helped keep that business open… and we were happy to share everything we knew about music with people who cared enough to still spend money on it(instead of torrenting it). There is an amazing amount of 90’s privilege baked into this movie(that we didn’t even know we had at the time). I don’t envy the young people how have to make their way in America today.
My guess would be that you were neither an overweight 30 year old virgin or underweight bald virgin who took their frustrations out on people didn't know or care who the original drum was for some alt band from 20 years earlier that nobody ever heard of. Am I hot or cold?
I remember having to deal with all sort of snobs working in record stores back in the late-90s and early-00s (of course, there were exception). There was this record store in my hometown (Athens, Greece), where the owner-salesman-dj would gather us around the in-store turntable, apparently to play for us the new and "next-big-thing" records of the day. Then, if you told him that you would like to buy a copy of the track but he didn't consider you one of his own, he would always reply: "nah, that's my own copy, not for sale, mate"... lol, what an idiot. Loved the 90s, but I certainly don't miss those attitudes.
@@Koko161081 I grew up in the 80's & 90's... There was a MASSIVE attitude shift post-grunge. All the old school rockers hating on the younger kids for being so influenced by movies and clothes who were just trying to be trendy and didnt have a clue about music. I even got shamed for playing The Screaming Trees at a bar in Seattle..... The lead singer of a local band called Visqueen asked me if I was from out of town because REAL rockers would NEVER play that band anymore. Oh and try to find someone in a flannel shirt..... You'd get pelted with pinecones. We had to change who we were completely because we had become a brand and being branded was so UNCOOL.
He's on point about the hint of trend chasing mixed with conservative, canonically cool choices in the list by Cusack's character. Takes one to know one! 😅
Watching this scene in my 30’s is a whole other experience.. Folks who didn’t have Internet to get whatever they want needed “The Gatekeepers” of the music store to show them around what’s available and where it’s at. Sad snobs.. I used to think they’re pretty cool grownups 😕
I’m in my 50s and spent a lot of time on record stores in the late 80s until the mid 2000s. I never thought of them as gatekeepers. Many were tour guides, or tutors. I was turned onto so many incredible records by people with a love for music, who wanted to share it. The best ones knew what kind of bands/genres you liked and would pull curated selections out from behind the counter, when you walked in. The whole snob thing was just 90s Gen X affectation (guilty as charged).
Not in any particular order, just off the top of my head: (The Rolling Stones) Gimme Shelter from Let It Bleed (Judas Priest) Breaking The Law from British Steel (Caro Emerald) That Man from Deleted Scenes from the Cutting Room Floor (Black Sabbath) Black Sabbath from Black Sabbath (Guns 'N' Roses) Welcome To The Jungle from Appetite For Destruction
5b. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths (The Queen Is Dead) 5a. Age of Consent - New Order (Power, Corruption, and Lies) 4. Everything Hits at Once - Spoon (Girls Can Tell) 3. Hold My Life - The Replacements (Tim) 2. One Hundred Years - The Cure (Pornography) 1. Disorder - Joy Division (Unknown Pleasures)
Funny thing, the actual serious musicians I know are the most open minded about music and pop music. they realize how hard it is to actually create music, then actually make it so a great amount of people want to pay you to hear it.
Absolutely. In my collection, you'll find everything from Judas Priest to Air Supply. The most obscure records to the most mainstream. I spent way too many years caring about what other people think. A turning point for me was when I heard Pete Townshend say that "SOS" by ABBA is one of the greatest songs ever. He was almost right: it's actually "Take a Chance on Me".
I remember who i was with, what day it was, and which stores i bought all my cds from when i was a teenager, i remember nothing from listening to music on youtube, also remember having to wait till you got home to be able to listen to the album? thats all gone now sadly
Bad for the artists good for the listeners, it's a great way to understand music theory and discover stuff they wouldn't have access to otherwise. Problem is the marketing in the industry only allowing success to "certain" artists and groups then handicapping there meal ticket now with live nations and merch revenue
Nick Drake - Pink Moon Death Grips - Get Got Sparklehorse - Homecoming Queen Jordaan Mason and the Horse Museum - Bird's Nest Elliott Smith - Speed Trials
@@Chonus Watched this clip randomly, and was thinking "That looks like Al!" How funny and appropriate that he did this. I was fortunate to get to work with US Maple many times, and would easily put them in my top 5 favorite bands.
Somewhat Damaged - Nine Inch Nails (The Fragile) Panasonic Youth - The Dillinger Escape Plan (Miss Machine) Airbag - Radiohead (OK Computer) Stinkfist - Tool (Ænima) The Moor - Opeth (Still Life)
My top 5 album openers 1.Porcupine Tree - Blackest Eyes (In Absentia) 2. Megadeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due (Rust in Peace) 3. Supertramp - School (Crime of the Century) 4. Rush - The Spirit of Radio (Permanent Waves) 5. Genesis - Dancing With the Moonlit Knight (Selling England By the Pound)
Now it may be a bit biased, but Top5 Side1s Track1s: - Sting - The Lazarus Heart (...Nothing like the sun) - The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony (Urban Hymns) - Radiohead - Everything In It's Right Place (Kid A) - The Clash - The Magnificent Seven (Sandanista!) - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Born On The Bayou (Bayou Country) But it's just my subjective opinion, right? No need to say that somebody has no music taste just for picking more publicly acclaimed songs to his list.
Yes, I have come to realise that the commenters here aren't actually music snobs. It is the inimitable Al Johnson. There were other Chicago music references made throughout the film because the movie is in Chicago but the book is British and takes place across the pond. That "meek" customer probably has more integrity, music knowledge, and credibility than the entire cast. And no one in the comments section here has bothered to recognize it. Hope they check out u.s. maple after listing all those commercial artists.
The English Beat-- "Mirror in the Bathroom"-- I Just Can't Stop It The Clash-- "Safe European Home"-- Give "Em Enough Rope Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers-- "Refugee"-- Damn the Torpedoes The Stooges-- "Search and Destroy"-- Raw Power Pete Townshend-- "Rough Boys"-- Empty Glass
Top 5 Album openers 1.) "Fight Fire With Fire" MetallicA, Ride The Lightning 2.) "Armatage Shanks" Green Day, Insomniac 3.) "Angel Of Death" Slayer, Reign In Blood 4.)"Welcome To The Jungle" Guns 'N Roses, Appetite For Destruction 5.) "Rhymin' And Stealin'" Beastie Boys, Licensed To Ill.
Top 5 songs for Driving. 5. The Doors: roadhouse Blues 4. Danzig: Not of this world 3: Judas Priest: Invader 2: Motörhead: white line fever 1: Black Sabbath: Megalomania
A good song is a good song. Good music is good music. Pouring your identity into rock and roll or whatever is very adolescent - most of it do it for a couple years and realize we were just adolescents. We grew up.
I still remember the weird feeling, of the very last time I played with a GI Joe toy, as a kid. It just happened one day, all at once. I picked it up, and tried to play with it, but I was suddenly 'too old to play with toys'. I guess I was about 10 years old. The same thing happened with music, eventually. Suddenly, I was too old to listen to all the music I used to love. I was 26. It felt like playing with toys. It might as well have been nursery rhymes. It was then that I somehow switched to listening to jazz... maybe it was all coincidence. I walked into a record store, just to wander around. I didn't know Jack Schiatt about jazz, but somehow that's where I found myself. I pawed through the albums for 30 minutes, looking for something that 'looked' good (as if you can tell by the fucking cover). I bought two albums, without knowing anything about them (very unusual for me). What do you suppose the odds were, that I would buy _Time Out_ and _Kind of Blue,_ on a pure whim, as a first foray into jazz? A thousand to one? Ten thousand to one? Needless to say, it started a new era in my music taste. One wild guess led to another, and I found Charles Mingus, next. Ah Um. Dynasty. More Miles (Gil Evans). Coleman Hawkins. Duke Ellington! Thelonious Monk. John Coltrane! Dizzy Gillespie. Ornette Coleman. Rahsaan Roland Kirk. This is it. This is the land of music for adults. The land of actual musical talent and proficiency. The ultimate realm for music snobs, who don't want to hear clever rhymes about how tough someone is, or endless Sad Bastard music, or Cardi B casting spells over stupid people...
Practically every record store I visited was like this. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed going to record stores. I don't anymore, but I'm guessing attitudes have changed quite a bit with streaming.
Cocteau Twins - Pink Orange Red from Tiny Dynamine PJ Harvey - Big Exit from Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea Nick Drake - Pink Moon from Pink Moon Fairport Convention - Fotheringay from What We Did On Our Holidays Nick Cave - Do You Love Me from Let Love In (also the best concert opening I have ever seen)
my top side 1s track 1s: 1. Dinosaur Jr. - little fury things 2. American football - never meant 3. Nirvana - serve the servants 4. New order - age of consent 5. U2 - sunday bloody sunday
My top 5 album openers: -Plainsong (from The Cure Disintegration) -Rio (from Duran Duran Rio) -Disorder (from Joy Division Unknown Pleasures) -Airbag (from Radiohead Ok Computer) -World in My Eyes (from Depeche Mode Violator)
Feeling pretty basic today, so Top 5 Track 1/Side 1s: Sgt Peppers Lonely Heart’s Club Band Good Times Bad Times Straight Outta Compton He Stopped Loving Her Today Smells Like Teen Spirit All mainstream stuff, but those were genre gamechangers or an iconic effort by an established legend in the case of George Jones.
Mine: Radiohead - Everything in its Right Place (Kid A) Prodigy - Smack My B*tch Up (Fat of the Land) Rage Against The Machine - People of the Sun (Evil Empire) Tool - Stinkfist (Ænima) Meshuggah - I Am Colossus (Koloss) Pearl Jam - Go (Vs.)
He was right in not giving that bastard the Captain Beefheart record. Look at how careless he was while putting it back in the sleeve. The sound of it hitting the spine made cringe.
Snobbery like this is just a higher threshold of dissaproval on mass taste. I mean, we have all complained about some teeny bop band that the kids enjoy, or the terrible unfashionable music our parents might listen to. Usually, such disdain is warranted however. With these guys though it's on a higher level. What's interesting though is with the passing of time, some of these bands they hail in thr movie are no longer edgy, or alternative. In that regard, music snobbery is always one generation away from turning on itself!
The problem is that mass taste is manufactured by big business. In music, it was the major record labels, the radio stations and MTV. Today it's google, apple and twitch, as far as I can tell, and whichever corporations can pay to push artists and songs they control up in the algorithms. In movies and TV it's disney, sony, etc. Reaching down into supposedly "cult" fandoms and cosplaying. Part of what Gen X hipsters (including the Thrash movement in heavy metal at the start of the eighties that produced Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax interestingly) in the 1980s and '90s were reacting against was that commercialisation of all arts, and trying to champion more autonomous, DIY creators who were trying to make stuff that was different and more complex maybe and certainly more emotionally honest than the most played, highest selling stuff on TV and radio. But like you said, it's an unsolvable problem because if it's good it's likely to become popular and then it's not special anymore, and you're only fighting the cultural surface level of capitalism, not capitalism itself.
a top 5 opening tracks from the top of my head: • Modest Mouse - Teeth Like God's Shoeshine • Talking Heads - Born Under Punches • David Bowie - Beauty and the Beast • Deerhunter - Earthquake • Neu! - Isi
Nice list. What's great about a list like that is that everybody's will be different but they are all cool to hear. Off the top of my head - "(I'm) Stranded" - (I'm) Stranded by The Saints, "United in Grief" - Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers" by Kendrick Lamar, "I Wanna be adored" - The Stone Roses, "The Queen is Dead" - from the Queen is Dead by The Smiths, "War Pigs" - Paranoid by Black Sabbath. If I made a list tomorrow it would probably be completely different lol. I do admit I fell into Rob Gordon's trap of some safe selections with a newer credible inclusion ha ha
The Stone Roses "I Wanna Be Adored" from "The Stone Roses" Marissa Nadler "Drive" from "July" The Rolling Stones "Gimme Shelter" from "Let It Bleed" Slowdive "Alison" from "Souvlaki" Idlewild "Little Discourage" from "100 Broken Windows" (in no particular order)
"cos you're not a geek Louis." Says the massive geek. I love this. Even the little high five Cusack gives him as if to say, " you are being a knob, but you and me are the same people."
I had the pleasure of shopping in at Record Swap in the 90s while the employee described Texas is the Reason to a new customer, who was completely sold upon hearing AND SO WAS I.
My top 5 track ones side one: 5. Nirvana- smells like teen spirit 4. Radiohead- Airbag 3. My Bloody Valentine- only shallow 2. Joy division- disorder 1. Bob Dylan- subterranean homesick blues
I had that issue of AP with Manson on the cover, I May still have it, Nope just the Reznorection Day issue from 1999 with Trent Reznor on the cover - close.
As a suburbanite, I felt like a music snob to my friends and people I worked with back in the day (90's / early 2000's) but always felt like a a newbie and had only scratched the surface when I walked into cool record stores in the city.
My fav used record store story: Yuppie mom tries to push giant child stroller in front door of shop. ( narrow aisles packed with inventory) Proprietor immediately throws her and her baby out. Vaht is dis? Fucking donkey cart? Get out!
My favorite songs or Come As You Are by Nirvana and The Temptations cloud nine the Beach Boys Surfin USA and Clash should I stay or should I go cuz if we're talking about music and artists I'm going to name all of them Michael Jackson's Beat It Janet Jackson Runaway New Edition hit me off Bobby Brown My Prerogative Bell Biv DeVoe poison Ralph Tresvant sensitivity Johnny Gill my my my and Otis Redding try a little tenderness those are my favorite songs and artists of all time
My Friends and i were the Metal head version of this for Years ! If you came into a conversation with us about music and didn't have your Metal knowledge and appreciation you kinda got snubbed , not in a mean way Much like when i try talking to Gen Z kids .....its like i am from another planet and they sense it.
