Highest Meat Intake = Highest Life Expectancy? Hong Kong Myth Debunked 

@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Thank you. This was also my first RU-vid comment in 10 years, to the best of my knowledge. When I heard I was mentioned in the video, I had to ask my friend how to login to leave a comment. :) My 25th vegan anniversary was on December 8th. These days, I write books about building muscle on a plant-based diet, and I have been running www.veganbodybuilding.com for 18 years, and co-manage www.veganstrong.com. Now that I know how to use RU-vid and comment, I'll be a bit more engaged online. Have a great one!

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​@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA This chicken, rice, and broccoli combination is very common, and it often stems from the mainstream bodybuilding culture. I was already vegan for about 4 years before I started lifting weights seriously, and then I've spent the past 20 years in the bodybuilding industry, winning multiple bodybuilding competitions myself, as a vegan. What builds muscle is a calorie surplus combined with resistance weight training, not protein drinks, animal protein, obsessing about protein in general, or any particular supplements. Consistency with a sufficient nutrition plan and training program is really the key to building muscle, and consuming animals is not a necessary component in that equation. Hundreds of thousands of vegan athletes are testament to that.

​@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Just to add to my initial response, it is highly unfortunate that particular magazines, books, celebrity athletes, and social media influencers push an animal-based diet to build muscle when it's completely unnecessary. As far as where that culture stems from, in my experience, it originated in the muscle-building communities of the 1960s and 1970s. Then, as muscle magazines gained popularity, largely during Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to fame in bodybuilding and action movies, protein powders and other supplements became quite prevalent. Their advertising took up many pages in magazines, and aspiring, impressionable bodybuilders followed the recommendations of the sports nutrition companies who featured celebrity athletes in their advertisements. Then, the sports nutrition and supplement industry really took off in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s, and here we are today with an animal-based nutrition plan that has been normalized, but also contributes greatly to poor health. The standard diet of chicken (or fish), rice, and broccoli (or other green vegetables) just became popularized with bodybuilding and other communities (football, weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) and became normalized to the point that it is the default diet for those seeking muscle growth. Of course, we've seen many adverse effects of a diet high in animal protein, from heart disease, to organ failure, to diabetes, and the far more common obesity epidemic that is raging throughout the western world. In essence, we can produce the same muscle-building results with plant protein as we can with animal protein, but one will lead to a decrease in all-cause mortality, and that of course, is the plant-based diet. And remember, at the end of the day, it is a calorie surplus combined with resistance training that builds muscle, not animal protein. I applaud you for encouraging your son-in-law to adopt a plant-based diet, and I invite you to explore the various plant-based athlete role models that exist today, in all sports, and share those role models with him. Wishing you, and your son-in-law, all the very best! -Robert

@DawgTawkWellington (DTW) I always say, consistency is key. That's the only way I was able to build muscle, write and publish books, overcome injuries and setbacks, and speak on tour all these years. I just finished a 1 hour and 20 minute workout tonight, and last night's workout was 95 minutes long. Consistency, even if it is slow going, is the way to go. That reminds me, I've got to get back to writing this weekend too. Consistency in everything, not just nutrition and training. Write two pages every day, and soon you've written a book.

Sometimes my head explodes but then I just listen to some ASMR lol. Thanks so much.

@@MictheVegan what ASMR artists do you jam?

Chinese people eat RICE and veggies and fruits too. Carnivores are delusional if they don’t think that.

You mean propoganda.

​@@MistMonkey You mean spreading disinformation by selling fiction as facts? No, that's what those - self-diluted and self-proclaimed "carnivores" and those who wallow in their own cognitive dissonance to feed their bias to make themselves feel better about their horrible choices - do. BTW Mike and others who are not delusional like you, laughs at silly nonsense comments like yours - so, thank you for that! 😜🤣

If they ate raw meat someone said they will live to 150

@@stefdiazdiaz7067 Quite a bit of raw meat is eaten in Switzerland.

Exactly. Its also about the quality of the meat

You mean they live that long DESPITE having a crappy diet, and would live even longer without it. Also, as Mic already stated, the longevity is many factors not just one. Genetics, wealth, access to quality healthcare, education levels, literacy. etc.

@@JakeRichardsongIf they would live longer without it then places that eat the latter would live longer there Switzerland but they don’t.z

Yep. People don't care if it takes over a year to catch up to them let alone a decade.

@@V1ralB1ack this was always a cheap talk point from the low carb proponents because data point after data point showed that the French, in absolute terms, actually consumed less butter and dairy than other high fat cohorts. The fact that their increases in intake eventually showed heart disease emerge only further refuted this point. Yet the same people were still babbling on about the French Paradox as if it’s some legitimate point to consider. The same effect can also be observed for the Scandinavians with obesity and heart disease on the rise seeing as these things don’t just appear overnight.

@@ordohereticus3427 It applies to most things in society as well. When something eventually happens, the people blamed are the ones present. It's really dumb because people along with a lack of attention and common sense also lack context these days especially.

Thank you for sharing your local perspective! Very interesting how things can change so fast. I hear there is a vegan scene there though. Is that true?

@@MictheVegan yes there is many vegan restaurants and companies and it is increasing 😁

@@MictheVegan Buddhist vegan restaurants in HKG are amazing. They are so popular and the food is always fresh, and of course super fast to your table.

Same situation transpiring in Thailand.

@@MictheVegan There're def some Vegan Meetup in HK, which people go to vegan restaurants together.

@thewinelady Actually no, that's not true for all of those countries. But why do you think it's funny people have deadly diseases? Despicable post

@thewinelady And by the way cardiovascular diseases and cancer have nothing to do with the consumption of unprocessed(!) meat

Not really. Omnivores live the longest life. Give me Texas Barbecue Potato Salad Baked Potato Cole Slaw Sweet Tea Pecan Pie and a six pack of Shiner Bock beer any day. People can keep their boring Carnivore and Vegan lifestyle.

Their currently living elders didn't actually eat that much meat when they were younger though. That's the main point here. They were eating way more vegetables & grains, when they were younger, than they were meat. Meat was normally used in small amounts, just to add extra flavor, in their day. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♂️

Great comment

@@juliecooper6628 Cause they could not afford meat, if you take a look at Japan, Korea, Medeterainian diet they all eat meat, its just dier diet is pretty balanced.

@@juliecooper6628 can you provide any evidence to back up your theory please

Kafka... yes they do eat more than the west, in fact they are in the top 3 meat avores in the world, and the highest life expectancy. Mic is a fraud.

Good point!

That makes good sense. 🙂💜🌱💜🙂

You make a fair point about tourism, especially in the context of a city state. However, the locals certainly have seen strong increases in meat and dairy intake over the last three decades/generation.

@@MrMaxKeane Even with that the people who are aged 80+ aren't the ones who were eating tons of meat. The younger generations are & they are getting sicker younger.

@@FactsBeFacts I would second that. New generations are not going to have that long a ride as the older gens. Traditionally, there are always a fair bit of veggies eaten too, traditionally. the meat eaten is also greasy ...

Idiotic! Okinawans do eat pork, but not everyday! Neither you, meat fanatics, nor vegans are right! Enough with this idiotic debate!!

so true! thanks

It doesn't change the fact that plant based diets improved longevity of Okinawans

Those soldier who confiscated the pork of these people started to have hearth disease the same time the Okinawans started to have better heart health. You didnt cite this on pourpose, right brainwashed npc?

lol nice, @micthevegan you have any comment on this buddy?

Carnivores acutally care mroe about the science as they dont have to be dogmatic like vegans. Veganism is more like a religion then diet.

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@@ceolbeats7182 hahaha people watch one video of a vegan activist freaking out at McDonald’s and all of a sudden every vegan is a brainwashed cult member 🤣 just goes to show critical thinking skills

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same as in the usa, meat addicted

The fact meat is loaded with essential nutrients (many that can not be obtained from plants), is probably enough of a scientific claim that meat possible does make you live longer

@@thedoc5848 lol meatflake

@@thedoc5848 sulforaphane is also needed for longevity though, not just taurine. Check monaco where the people eat both a lot of plants, fruit and meat.

We think 103 or over 100 is a long life...I guess because we died so soon we think 100 is long. But reading Mans Higher Consciousness by Hilton Hotema his studies showed people living over 200. He did a lot of research traveling around the world. Eating less food does make a difference. But if your grandmothers ate low amounts vegetables or fruit instead maybe they would had lived even longer. Also it is not necessary to died from illness. I don't think people considered the amount of food in a longer life. One cannot eat large amounts of food and live long period.

This video is terrible

@@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek Why? Be specific.

All countries ranking top 30 in terms of life expectancy have a VERY high meat consumption 😊 the video didn't debunk anything. And just because someone has a different opinion or lifestyle than you, doesn't mean he/she is not a troll...

@@anthonyinzerillo2804 In your case, it does though: You are dishonestly insinuating a causal relationship between meat eating and life expectancy in the developed world, which is a specious argument. I will not employ any emojis childishly to take the edge off this comment. You are all so impotent at this trying to get one over on vegans thing, yet you persist in embarrassing yourselves. How meaningless your lives must be.

What a load of bullshit

Yes it is.

Good meat might be the only health food we know, most of us have alergies or some intolarance against certain plants.

@@MistMonkey it’s literally not a health food. Look it up. Most health foods are plants and obviously if you’re allergic don’t eat it... that’s kind of common sense.

@@pri.sci.lla. Lots of foxes would disagree with you.

@@MistMonkey 🤦🏽‍♀️ you’re not a fox. Foxes are generally carnivore (occasionally omnivores) so of course meat is great for them.

@I invented Google true. I was thinking more Japan and Korea with much of their fresh fish

That's a good point.

Yes, and the increased stroke risk in vegans was associated with not getting enough B12. Correct the B12 issue (which is easy to do ) and the stroke incidence in Vegan decreases.

@@gergo.r, They are also not 100% meat only, they don't eat 'only' fish and nothing else, they still have some plant based foods in their diets. Whist Inuit's may not die of or get scurvy (no evidence, just your opinion), records show they do not have a high life expectancy, late 40's at best, most died of heart disease, as a result of such a high meat diet.

@@gergo.r, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6N7Sk1ZRohU.html

Wasn't he eating only chicken and mayo?

@@lennonpaiva5684, Apparently he was on a carnivore diet, so all meat, mayo 'may' have been included, it's all speculation. Either way, he came out saying how sick it made him, and he could not continue doing it.

@@lennonpaiva5684, It's important to note his pre existing health status may have played a big factor in the effect his 'carnivore diet' had on him. He may 'already' have had a low vit C intake 'before' switching to carnivore, so whatsoever stores of vit C he had, may have quickly been used up..? Unfortunately we don't have any accurate data about his previous health, so again, it's all speculation.

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There's no proof of anything you just said.

Their younger generations also like processed and fast foods typical in the U.S - 🤣 and you're suggesting its the increase in meat consumption causing this?

@@KK-lg8uz You make a good point. However, processed and fast foods overwhelmingly contain meat, dairy, or eggs. China, for instance, traditionally consumed a lot of white rice, tofu, and vegetables. NO DAIRY. Now they are eating much more animal protein, and processed foods. Statistics show the increases in animal protein in countries that consume low animal protein.

@@rachelgoodkind6545 most processed foods are predominantly made of plants and synthetic ingredients though. I’m not sure where you got that from. Processed meat and dairy is terrible for people yeah, but it has no resemblance of actual animal foods

@@rachelgoodkind6545 in the US only consumption of chicken has increased since the food guidelines came out in the 1970’s. Pork has remained about the same and red meat consumption has gone down.

Having the government run it wouldnt lower the cost, would just create waiting

Right on! Industrial seed oil is causing chronic illness and the amount of research supporting this is extensive. If people don't want to eat meat for ethical reasons that is their choice, but any diet with too much omega-6 causes health problems. Unfortunately there are plenty of vegan foods loaded with omega-6. Mic should do research on this. Western diet is high omega-6.

amen

Veganism is an ethical decision, the diet just happens to be a big part of it. And they can't dismiss the ethical side easily without sounding like psychopaths.

I guess, I’ve always been pretty empathetic. But, my family may not want to take ethics from a young teen, who hasn’t experienced the world yet. Idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

​@@doginabox9621 The family is the hardest to convince, by far. I cannot for the life of me convince anyone of my family members to stop consuming animal products even when they admit that it's immoral; not even make them cut down on it. So save yourself a lot of frustration and just accept that they will probably never understand and change. Living by example is all you can do, and perhaps a few well-choosen words from time to time, but don't expect any miracles, as you will always be the little kid to them, and moral decisions can only be made by them and them only.

@@YeeLeeHaw well that’s depressing. Luckily my family’s Buddhist so they turn vegetarian for good luck and stuff like once every 2-3 months. Also very lucky most vegetarian Vietnamese food doesn’t have animal products. So those are the good days.

I am a keti carnivore myself, i strongly believe meat is healthy, and that ethical reasons are the only excuse to be vegan dont see how ans why people would argue about that.

hK is governed by HK. but its leaders do answer to china for certain things. it is an autonomous region of China.

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Howdy - is the following anecdotal, or linked to a scientific study? - "...so many people who eat a low carb, meat, and saturated fat heavy diet, have a coronary artery score of 0."

No we need a controlled trial that eliminates all possible confounders using identical twins feeding one a whole food omnivore diet and one a whole food plant based diet/vegan diet. And lock them in a metabolic ward for their natural lifespan and see the outcomes. Of course this will never happen.

@@groovecouple4644 hat's exactly the issue with nutrition research. No matter how many confounders exist, there'll always be some. We shouldn't discount the importance of that people switching to a vegan diet become more health-conscious and make better choices though. Even if all the benefits of plant-based diets were simply confounders, it would still be a good thing. Btw I imagine a whole-food omnivorous diet would end up looking quite similar to a whole-food plant-based diet anyways. the only difference would be the presence of white meat and low-fat dairy as opposed to legumes, tofu, and plant-based milks.

@@isaweesaw so basically eliminating the SAD is the key. I’m assuming anyone concerned with their health would limit alcohol, avoid tobacco and other drugs , and find some form of exercise. Both keto/low carb/carnivore and plant based/vegetarian/vegan people have literally the same mindset, save the philosophy of veganism.

@@isaweesaw "The elderly Hong Kongese living to 84+ on average have been eating mostly plant foods" where is this information coming from? can you provide evidence the elderly are mostly plant based?

@@dannysonner794 It is an inference. Meat consumption has increased rapidly in the past few decades, suggesting meat consumption was much lower before. The fact that more young people are dying of diseases closely linked to meat consumption, such as CVD and bowel cancer, suggests that the rising meat intake is coming primarily from the younger generations, whilst the elderly seem to continue eating their lower meat diet which aids their longevity, as backed up by other studies on the affects of plant-based diets and longevity(such as AHS-2 and BROAD). If it was elderly people eating lots of meat, we'd see the rise in meat-related diseases coming from them and not younger generations.

That's a dumb statement.

No. Apart from the point that correlation does not equal causation - hence we do not hear people saying sugar is a health food even though sugar consumption has also gone up. Your claim is not true unless older people’s meat consumption has gone up. None of the younger people in their 20’s and 30’s eating more meat are part of the data raising the average life expectancy into the 80’s. Maybe watch the video again at a slower speed?

Uh, there are lots of confounding variables, so that didn't debunk anything. Longevity has been rising in MANY countries with increasingly-crappy diets.

more people day during winter in most countries