Historian Gets Mad at Call of Duty VANGUARD | Tobruk 1941 

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As an Italian I felt pissed too when they ignored all of us in ww2 I wished they made an axis perspective campaign with Italy but it’s too complicated for those smooth brains at activision

Ah yes, Libya, an Italian territory, where an important war is fought between Allies and Germans, but without Italians obviously.

The Italians always seem to be forgotten. It's like the companies have something against them . When a game company decides to do Sicily, I'm just waiting for the main troops to be Japanese 😅

Imagine being Italian and having the History of your country rewritten by some Activision weirdos, shameful

Welcome to modern Call of Duty, where developers intentionally *only* feature Japaneese and Germans as enemies while completly ignoring history.

Italians:fought bravely, helped the Germans in tobruk, litterally declared war on Egypt, fought extremely B R A V E vanguard:germany did this.

I agree that Call of Duty Vanguard is INSULTING towards both the Allied Powers and the Axis Powers. I was disappointed that there were no Italian soldiers in both North African missions in this game. The Italians demonstrated bravery THROUGHOUT THE NORTH AFRICAN CAMPAIGN, so they deserve representation in WWII video games. The Germans were the major offenders of the war, but they still have their own perspective to be told! I am also disappointed with how arrogant and incompetent the British general was. The British had excellent relationships with their Commonwealth, so the British general should not have been placing the blame on the Australians. Do you believe that the game developers for Call of Duty Vanguard are crappy people? Let me know because I would like to hear your opinions. (These are just my honest thoughts after watching this video and I do not expect for anyone to agree with me).

Lol i thought when he said "famous Swedish sniper" Is a mistake but later i realize it was a joke

I understand you. As an Italian I am disappointed that our soldiers do not appear in any theater of war in video games (in addition to North Africa also in Russia with ARMIR and in Italy perhaps with the soldiers of the social republic or the co-belligerent army). However, I have been following you for a while and I have to congratulate you for your very detailed considerations :)

Italians are Always forgotten when talking about WW2... Even if they helped Germany a lot during the African, Balkan and Russian campaign, they saved many German soldiers during the retreat after the defeat of El Alamein, without surrender and fighting untill the last breath and bullet (Folgore), but still the Activision think only Germans fought there and that Italians haven't done anything good in that period... I am italian even if my name and surname aren't

Italians: *exist* Sledgehammer: I'm gonna pretend i didn't see that

16:25 They not just could've taken him as a prisoner for intel, shooting an unarmed, wounded soldier also is a war crime if I'm not mistaken. It's honestly amusing how all these WW2 games don't have the balls to make a campaign for the Germans, Italians, Japanese, Hungarians, Finnish or whatever because "muh bad side", but they have no problem with showing the protagonists committing war crimes without pointing out THAT IT IS a war crime. Black and white-washing. There are good guys. And there are bad guys. And the bad guys do not deserve mercy or humane treatment. Just like you mentioned later in the video, the Germans always have the faces covered in order to hide emotions (visible from mouth and eyes). You're not supposed to see them as actual human beings that have feelings and emotions. Just the enemy that you are supposed to kill without mercy. To be honest, it fucking pisses me off.

I assume a designer just searched "British soldiers in Africa" and saw pictures of those from the Boer War and in WW1. By God, if my assumption is true, then their laziness is appalling

18:37 They can't even write Mittelmeer (mediterranean sea) correctly! The word "Mittle" doesn't even exist in German!

In the battle for Sicily for the next game, the only thing italian will be the island 👍🏻

When you try to be so inclusive, yet fail to add Italy to the North Africa front.

There is a limit to how much you can shrug off. Adding, say, one too many SKS rifles to the Reichstag assault? Sure, it's a cool gun, it was around at the time more or less and was used in very small numbers as far as I read. For the sake of gameplay, sure, put it at Seelow, it's not proper, but hey, it's in the game, might as well use it. But then there is disrespect of history. Literally changing important details, making big people with big roles into small people who did nothing, giving Japanese guys Becker shotguns and so on. There is enhancing gameplay, and there's spitting on history.

I thought Simo Häyhä was Bulgarian, thanks for telling me he's Swedish. I learned something new 😁

as my dad said one time: "if you call this a HISTORICAL game, well, that sucks. if you called it a WW2 INSPIRED videogame, it can be even nice, but as historical it just sucks." and i'm italian, so double rage against tobruk P.S. i wish to be an historian one day. you're my hero for now!

18:30 noticed the emblem of the 'Sturmabteilung' which was a paramilitary Nazi organization in german homeland and had absolutely nothing to do with the german campaign in North Africa

As a italian i was offended by the fact that germans were using italian weapons

Uuugggh, it’s painful ! ….. this makes me appreciate the game “ Sniper Elite 3 “ even more…. Despite that game being fictional, of course, you get to fight Italians AND Germans with well researched weapons and uniforms !

With Tobruk and El Alamein, they had the perfect opportunity to represent Italy and subsequently all three of the Axis powers in this game.

What makes it even worse is that the character that he’s based on is a two Victorian cross recipient for his actions in North Africa and him being a hell raiser when he was captured. he was famously noted that he refuse any promotion because he doesn’t wanna leave his man behind and promised each of his soldiers they are coming back home. And back in the 80s they finally recognize him for his service during the war by tricking him to go to a talk show and have all the guest members be the family members and the men that he served with.

4:45 From what I understand, the protagonist's group was referred to as the "Desert Rats"; that might explain why the British guy was calling them that. That being said, it doesn't explain why he was so hostile to them.

As an Italian i’m really disappointed. CoD has always been great in portraying war, and recently they are starting to fail to do so. Much like battlefield how’s always been the more realistic games in the rivalry, they are starting to follow their agendas and not history. Vanguard, battlefield 5, battlefield 2042, games ruined by their agendas.

Thank you for sharing the information that Lucas Riggs was actually based off of a New Zealander. I find it quite disrespectful how poorly Call of Duty: Vanguard (2021) represented my country. New Zealand. Just to provide some constructive criticism, the indigenous people of New Zealand, the Maori, are pronounced Mol-Di. Besides that, thank you for acknowledging New Zealand's involvement in World War II (1939-1945), even if it's just a small mention.

There's a lot of things about this mission that did stick out to me: 1. The Owen gun. I think the creators did that to establish that these are Australians. It would have been better to either give them a Thompson Sub-machine gun which most of the commonwealth troops were using at the time, or like you said take place in New Guinea in the South Pacific. 2. I could be wrong on this, but I think Hamms called Riggs and his fellow soldiers "rats" because Riggs and his fellow Aussies are part of the 9th Division, famously known as the Rats of Tobruk. But it still doesn't explain why he use it so rudely 3: Hamms as the CO. You are right, in the British Army (also Canada, India, New Zealand and in this case Australia), Majors are in command of a company while Captains are the second in command of said company. However Australian officers from the Division to platoon level, this include companies would be in command, not British. 4: The use of the Gammon Bombs. These are actually real grenades made to explode on impact. However, these things were first used in service in 1943. Two years after of this mission. 5: You can use a heavy machine gun to take down the Stuka, but I guess the player who made the video you are looking over wanted to challenge himself I guess. I mean I even try to take it down with a Panzefaust lol

14:40 The tank on the Badge looks like a Mk VIII Cromwell, that was first used on the Normandie landings in 1944.

For you who is pointing out how this guy said Simo was Swedish: it is a joke, this guy knows he is Finnish, he also said Patton was Canadian, and De Gaulle was Belgian.

3:17 correct me if I’m wrong but surely almost all officers in the SOE would be British? The Australian soldiers in this mission are attached to the SOE, not the regular Australian army, so their commanding officer would likely be British?

There are so many theaters of WW2 that would be interesting. The east African campaign between the Italians and the allies, the axis invasion of yugoslavia and greece, the battles in Tunisia, hell even the invasion of France.

Gotta love it when our man says "Oh my god" and "You can't be serious"

I think the reason we see Panzer IVs here is the same reason we see so much other anachronistic stuff in Vanguard. Much of it is recycled assets from Call of Duty WW2, which takes place from D-Day onwards.

I think I read somewhere that the "Desert Rats" nickname ended up being taken up and used by the Ausies themselves, as well as the brits. But it would have been a friendly nocking banter thing.

As a french all i can say to italians is ..welcome to the club

Also notice that in El-Alamein, when you load a 5-bullet magazine into a Lee-Enfield, but if you look carefully at the magazine, you’re loading nothing into the gun, there’s no bullets to be seen

8:21 (edit: you got it right) its a Panzer IV* with the Kwk40 but without the sideskirts, you can tell its a panzer IV based on the shape and relative size of the gun mantelet (the part where the gun meets connects with the turret front), panzer IIIs had larger, rounder gun mantelets relative to the size of the turret front. the other thing that gives it away as a Panzer IV rather than a panzer III is the fact it has hull roof crew hatches and the space for them. the 3rd way of telling it is a panzer IV rather than a panzer III is that panzer IIIs had 2 headlights on the lower hull. panzer IV had headlights on the track guard (like the vehicle in the video) [the fact it has only 1 is ok, panzer 4s in musuems and historical photos often have a single headlight) ->the panzer IV did not get the Kwk40 (long 75mm) untill 1942. i disagree that its got a kwk39, the dark makes it harder to tell though. some ways that are less obvious here due to the dark, is; -that the panzer 4 had 8 road wheels vs the panzer III's 6. t -the panzer 4 had leafspring suspension while the panzer 3 had torsion bars -the panzer 4's hull widens out and overhangs the tracks alittle, while the panzer 3 has flat sides. *based on the muzzle break its a panzer IV Ausf. G specifically (rather than the more rounded muzzle break found on Panzer IV F2)

What do you mean that there were ITALIANS in Tobruk? I thought that WW2 was all about USA D-Daying Germany, while Russia rushing into Berlin... Huh... Odd. /s

they apparently forgot that the germans would have used war lighting on their vehicles instead of just the full on fog lights

When you said "famous Swedish sniper" I had a physical reaction to that. That's how wrong that sounded, either that or it's because I'm Norwegian

18:38 bruh they even missspelled the German word for the Mediterranean Sea at the top of the map xD

It’s been really hard to get any sense of how things are progressing. Not surprised it was you that could finally provide some clarity. Great vid

My grandfather was in North Africa as a italian artillery battalion. It's sad to see that in every game they are forgotten. No more than the soldiers of the Brazilian Expeditionary force that fought in Italy

The Swedish Simo Hayha made me laugh so hard…

For the longest time I wanted a war game set in Winter War or Continuation War or even the Lapland War, but seeing how woke these game companies have become, I'm glad we don't get one.

The entire reason Tobruk was such a dicy situation for the ANZACS was that they got pushed up against the coastline. By setting it in the desert, you completely destroy that critical aspect of the battle, that they literally had no option to retreat, and had to fight to the death in order to survive

ive never heard my country been mentioned so much in one video, thank you 🌏

Here's a list of the Cod vanguard writters stephen Rhodes Sam Maggs Tochi Onyebuchi Brent V. Friedman

0:18 Simo Häyhä was a finnish sniper, not swedish, during the Winter War, the most efective sniper of all times

I like these videos... But I can't help but feel Vanguard doesn't deserve this attention. It deserves to be forgotten and ignored.

Poor little Bersaglieri del Regno d'Italia...they always get forgotten.

Think how cool it would be to have an Italian campaign talking about two brothers who fought together until 8 september 1943(armistice) , then one choose to join the partisans and the enlist in the RSI army.

16:59 "On this one, Foxhauls in the middle of a FLAT desert landscape. FLAT." 17:06 "On this one you can see, an Australian trench, in a rocky, desert, FLAT landscape." Deleted scene: "And lastly, we have an anime girl with FLAT desert. FLAT landscape, you can see that there's almost no cliff."

Great vid! I was just binging your previous videos and I noticed your Costco card behind your phone on one of those videos. Now, I could never unnotice it. 6:38

I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

It's not realistic, where is the Ottoman empire charging the Canadians with camels and sabers?

Panzer IV Ausf. G version entered into service 1942 it was improvement over the Ausf. F2 is still not sufficient to provide reliable defence. It is best to shoot first, as the KwK40 L/43 can deal with the majority of enemies it will face. Heavy tanks like the KV 1 or 2

Thanks so much for these videos, you never stretch the video longer than it needs to be. Your videos allow me to learn new things and enjoy them at the same time. I’ve been watching you for about a month now and you’ve improved my history so much. Thanks, from another Canadian.

“Honestly, not bad, it’s starting well.” Famous last words

Could you review Battlefield One on the Gallipoli Campaign

0:15 oh no.....you just didn't say that.... Okay I believe that, you as an historian know that Simo Häyhä wasn't swedish but by saying that and putting the flag of Sweden on top of him, I hope, only few finnish people watch this video, because you have just commited an act equal to war crime in their books😂😂

Thank you for teaching me about tobruk and teaching me about history.

I'm glad you brought up the Owen gun not making sense for the time or setting. It's also been mirrored, having the sights on the wrong side.

Hey, i spotted a mistake on your part! The british major (while still out of place) isn't in command of an S.O.E force but normal aussie soldiers. This is the story of the aussie soldier before being recruited by the S.O.E.

As a ww2 nerd my self I love your feedback on the game I was the same when I played it Love the sarcasm

19:24 thanks to your sage advice, I've been able to scare away any and all commandos who keep trying to infiltrate my backyard out in the deserts of West Texas. Thanks, History Legends!

Hey i just wanted to say that your vanguard videos make my day :D Also, i love the way you say "Ohhh my Gooood"

You are right about the vehicles, but that's something that always happens in ww2 CoD games: they copy/paste the same vehicles across all eras. For instance in CoD2 they use (although correctly) the Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. C as the main battle tank used by the Germans in early war, although it would make more sense to see Pz.Kpfw. III. In other CoD ww2 games everything gets better because they are set late in the war, so you see Panzer IV G and H correctly placed in their timeline, also Panthers, and Königstigers. But yes, Vanguard was possibly the worst CoD I've ever played. Moreover, it doesn't even take a lot of effort to turn that G model into an D or E model: even if it wouldn't be absolutely perfect, they could just swap the cannon model for the short one and that's the only extra work they needed to do (yes, the hull is also different, but still better than placing a G model in 1941). Also Volkssturmgewehr in Africa in 1941 :(.

18:34 On the top of the map you can see a SA symbol. The SA were a group of thugs that were the paramilitary wing of the nazi party before they took power. The entire organisation was disbanded in 1934 because it was no longer needed by Hitler. So it makes no sense to see it on a Wehrmacht map in 1941. Just another example of historical mistakes in this dumpster fire of a game.

The tank is a Panzer IV F2, however, that is still anachronistic because production of this model only began in 1942 due to there being tough armor that needed a higher penetrating gun. great video man keep it up!!

As a Italian this video Is gold and i explain well our presence in North Africa

Loved your German :D - and I absolutely agree on your analysis. This is why I do not play CoD at all (I am more in the direction of Hell Let Loose), it is just irritating to see the wrong weapons, tanks and uniforms...

15:53 to get the full context on the “Swedish” sniper. It’s got to do with the wokeness and misrepresentation of nationality. lol

16:15 I find it funny how in the games subtitles it uses kraut which isn't Australian or British but is American, they should've used Fritz, Hun, Boche or Jerry. 18:46 as well.

"The famous Swedish Sniper" 😂😂😂😂😂

These days cod would be so great if they would work with guys like historylegends. So we wouldn't have 2 f* up WW2 cod like Vanguard and WW2. Or Cold War which had a lot potential settings and story wise.. but eastern Volkspolizei with MP5's are fine too i guess.

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My great grandfather's brother (South tyrol) fought for Italy IN TOBRUK, I am very disappointed in this game

I just discover your acount and i love your content ! 😁 I want to create my own ww1 game but now i'm scarred to make mistake 😅

To add Vanguard does even say "alternative history" :D just pointing it out but allot of nitpicky problems can be found. FINISH SNIPER NOT SWEDISH. your title as "historian" went out the window, unless you where being sarcastic but the most rudimentary google search would point that out. You seem to get quiet allot of things wrong for a "historian" British treated allot of their "allied" troops like shit but its a case by case basis. The austrailians at the time where seen like lesser people since they are the offspring's and what not from the convicts that got sent there. Are you really a "historian" or just some arm chair hobbyist making RU-vid videos? "middle of the dessert" still suffices even for a port town since its quiet literally situated in bumfuck nowhere by Western standards. And just beacuse its a port town does not mean it takes place at the beach. Nit picking for the sake of content but i nitpick your commentary for the sake of a comment :) Bur yes high ranking officer for four "rats" its a bit odd and yes they made him to be hated. Something we agree on. As for the uniform here i thought it was just like a ragtag band like they are not recognized as a part of the standing army and could dress in whatever. I guess its to further the point that Australians where treated poorly thus handed outdated equipment.

I completely overlooked the fact that he called Simo a Swedish sniper lol, loved the sarcasm

19:19 that was shockingly accurate "Kraut" Oo

The tank at the head of the column was panzer 4 F2 or Panzer 4 G. If this were the second siege they would be present for the battle however since it is 1941 they would be a few months before both panzers.

16:43 "I feel they used the same map for El Alamein, put a night filter, amd called it a day." lmaaooooooo

Lol it would be a treat to have you look at older COD game missions and see how accurate they are. I grew up playing Finest Hour and Big Red One

21:42 you could actually do that. aircrafts are pretty lightweight... sure, a SMG's biggest problem is speed at the target, precision, grouping, etc... but could still manage to do damage. actually today more than then as then they would try to armour up aircraft much more than today, as today they are kept behind the lines or far above, either way, far from battle.

18:43 thats the logo of the sturmabteilung when it should be the abwehr

German soldier use SVT-41 ( Soviet weapon ) and Japan soldier use STG-44 ( German weapon ) that makes me always smile when playing this COD 😅

Kwk 38 on Panzer III was the short barrel 5cm gun, KWK 39 was the long barrel 5cm on Panzer III

honestly when you said that some guns like the stg 44 the mg42 i thought it was just a number but i still get it now

and tose MP40s with silencers, just awesome historical accurace

As a South African, I wish they made a game about the UDF in Tobruk as well as Anzacs. It feels like South Africa doesn't get the recognition it deserves

I think they did Tobruk in Cod 2... and it was a great level

03:24 Three VC recipients who are still fighting-fit... damn. :-O

7:51 about that, if somebody was to say more about the convoys I would appriciate it. It's because I'm making a mission in Men of War: Assault Squad 2 about the Invasion of Poland. (if the mission works I'll try make more) The first mission is supposed to be an ambush on a German mechanized column and after that a retreat to avoid encirclement.

My father knew a guy who survived that battle...there was even a legend that he swam back to Italy after the battle, and he got the nickname of "Tobruk" due to that: it's one of those stories which walks that weird line between myth and self-mockery. It feels weird that these games of lately: 1) always show the Germans as devils incarnate; 2) never show our armies.

Can you make a tier list of cod vanguard of each mission from being historically accurate from unhistorically accurate?

I'm sure calling Simo Häyhä being called Swedish was a funny joke... I hope so- but it still made my eyebrow twitch.