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HLG Scorpion Diablo X PAR test and review 

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Congratulations to HLG for achieving the highest ever efficiency result in our PAR tests at 2.89 µmols per watt or usable PPF per watt and 717 watts consumed.
Shop HLG Scorpion Diablo X here: horticulturelightinggroup.com... migroyoutube&
The average PAR in a 5x5 at 16" hanging height ad reflective walls was 992 µmuol/m²/second.
The new Diablo X power is increased 10% to 720 watts and is a new design with folded white reflectors to better direct the light onto the plant canopy delivering very uniform light distribution.
The boards are the new QB548 Quantum board with the highest efficiency Samsung LM301BEvo or LM301H Evo depending on the model chosen.
The Spectrum has increased red output for higher electrical and photosynthetic efficiency using either Samsung V4 or Osram V5 660nm reds
Overall spectrum output is 20% Blue, 32% Green and 48% Red
Shop HLG Scorpion Diablo X here: horticulturelightinggroup.com... migroyoutube&
Full HLG test results here: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/153...

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@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
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@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Год назад
can take 12 of the Waveform 10watt led bulbs....make an array with 6 bulbs on each side in parallel formation separated by about oh 4 inches....where i have 3 of the 6,500k and 3 of the 2,700k staggered on one side, and then of course 3 of the 95+ CRI 6500k pure sunlight kelvin and 3 of the 2,700k 95+ CRI 10watt led bulbs staggered on the other side. 12 bulbs in total....all of them 95+ CRI certified R90 or better. And i will grow circles around all of you....muwahaahaahaha!!!!
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Год назад
The effects of a 95+ CRI index in 6500k and 2,700k in 95+ CRI index....are quite simply....Astonishing.
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Год назад
Took me a while to determine the efficacy of the PAR value and spectrum the plants were getting. I found out that a Par rating of 1,000 with an led array consisting of leds with a CRI index of 80 or below, were FAR LESS effective in growing plants of EVERY kind. Compared to the same led grow light with LESS wattage and just 95+ CRI index diodes on it. And that is the truth. I'm a houndog. And yes i had to dig for that one.
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Год назад
In fact, the PAR efficacy is directly proportional to the CRI index rating for the diode array in the Grow light. Even with WAY less wattage and built with less diodes, a full 95+ CRI rated board will grow pants way way better still. No doubt about it, hands down it will grow plants better And healthier.
@markamello8238
@markamello8238 5 месяцев назад
Nice review. I just had one of these delivered today. Can't wait to see how it performs
@tpowfjb
@tpowfjb Год назад
I'm trying to order your Array 4 right now, waiting on chat to answer me back. Thanks for doing what you do Shane.
@tacosforus1688
@tacosforus1688 Год назад
Looking LIT! 🔥🔥🔥
@timpage5021
@timpage5021 Год назад
Very nice. I always wished they’d add reflectors. They used to sell add on ones for a after purchase with their diy kits . 😊
@Just___me_
@Just___me_ Год назад
I don't know how much light these reflectors actually reflect the light, but with corners at 490 mms I wouldn't want any of the light reflected away from the outside edge. I think maybe this light should be raised just a little bit.
@tomazgaber3798
@tomazgaber3798 Год назад
Great light, great chips!!!
@byrdsbotanical819
@byrdsbotanical819 Год назад
Over 2100 PPF output with photon efficacy of 3.06 µmol/J. Simply amazing, we're excited for the release!
@Ledgrowlightsdepot
@Ledgrowlightsdepot Год назад
Great review. Given the high amount of red in the spectrum, the Diablo X is geared toward flowering rooms/tents. HLG said they created this spectrum for growers that wanted a bit more red and less blue since HLG spectrums tend to be strong in the blues. Both Scorpion models are quite efficient due to the thick blues in the Diablo and the tall reds in the Diablo X.
@jahgenetics3315
@jahgenetics3315 Год назад
wait till you see new light coming out where you can adjust your spectrum to your liking and hlg still using those bad dimmers for the rest they are great
@johnmulholland5216
@johnmulholland5216 Год назад
So i can't chose between 3 lights. cost and efficiency don't matter. 5x10 tent with 2 lights, only wanting what the plants will be happiest with for best growth best yields. Can't chose between this, glm tarantula, or diotech 830w. Any suggestions for me?
@m.b.boyack2228
@m.b.boyack2228 Год назад
Cheers Shane.
@Topsrite
@Topsrite Год назад
I wild guess, but I see something like this combo using reflectors easily replacing the bars which have black holes in between . Actually think the move may also include back to panels, just not sold on the bars by themselves
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner Год назад
Very impressive!
@SuperBenjamin1965
@SuperBenjamin1965 Год назад
I just got one from my bloom tent. I’ll give an impression after a week or two. Lots of work ahead. Time will tell and I’m sure I’ll be happy with the Reds. That’s all I wanted to find out the end product of organic craft grown
@erickolson6529
@erickolson6529 Год назад
Keep us posted!
@cantstopthepop3780
@cantstopthepop3780 Год назад
Hello from Colorado ! Great review. Considering the information on red light and far red light we got in the Bugbee video, when would you use this light? Its advertised as a flowering light because of the red spec but.. there's no solid evidence that far red spec increases flowering size or causes earlier flowering. Thanks!
@ottoflouer1750
@ottoflouer1750 Год назад
I thought far red was more about secondary metabolites not flower size or early flowering?
@brockwilson2541
@brockwilson2541 Год назад
Id love to see you do an amazon budget light test on some of the more basic or cheap brand lights including greenfingers!
@ottoflouer1750
@ottoflouer1750 Год назад
Fuck amazon tho, disgusting company
@joshcleveland8742
@joshcleveland8742 Год назад
Will you be reviewing any Fohse lights in the near future?
@elevatednorthglass
@elevatednorthglass Год назад
Any way we could get a medic grow fold 6 review?
@jakstables6491
@jakstables6491 Год назад
Hi can we get your take on the lumii black 720?? Thanks
@alanmejorado2065
@alanmejorado2065 Год назад
I'm new at your channels and it's great! Hey I was wondering... What if I use Mirrors instead of Mylar? 🤔
@tomdankz
@tomdankz Год назад
dont do that
@vv3082
@vv3082 Год назад
Love the reviews and all the work you put in testing all these set ups, i would love to see you test the rt2hk leds there 480w is nicknamed the hlg killer so would love to see them tested propperly
@blue222g8
@blue222g8 Год назад
What's an rt2hk just typed it in Google to see what you mean
@paulchrystie5460
@paulchrystie5460 Год назад
Hey Shane.. Love yr work.... I thought the standard for heights was to dial up 1000 at centre by changing hanging height..... So i can compare apples with apples can you retest at the normal standard of height governed by 1000 at centre... thanks hope i don't sound stupid
@professor4202
@professor4202 Год назад
yeah, you do.
@neothet-shirtchef3865
@neothet-shirtchef3865 Год назад
What do you know about the SAMPHON 630W LED?
@samuelaikens8194
@samuelaikens8194 Год назад
So what height and power percentage would it work for veg
@Adrenalinefiend22
@Adrenalinefiend22 Год назад
I’m running the Gavita pro 1700e led, I’m not sure which calibration I should select in the app, can you help me out please? Thank you!
@Adrenalinefiend22
@Adrenalinefiend22 Год назад
A reply to this would really be appreciated!! Thank you Sir
@Adrenalinefiend22
@Adrenalinefiend22 Год назад
Still trying to get this info, any help would be much appreciated. Thank you
@sugarfree6012
@sugarfree6012 Год назад
Can u take a look at the mammoth series please thanks 🙏
@jasonmoore951
@jasonmoore951 Год назад
How would the thinkgrow model h plus fair
@simplysimon1918
@simplysimon1918 Год назад
Does anyone know what grow lights are compatible with all these greenhouse controllers? I cant seem to find an answer. Lets say I wanted a greenhouse with 20+ lights, What program can control them to add supplemental lighting depending on the amount/lack of light. (basically something would measure the available light in the greenhouse and adjust them as needed)
@benstolen3797
@benstolen3797 Месяц назад
Late reply but groflux has partnered up with HLG and makes controllers specifically for HLG lights. I got the scorpion diablo x may of 2023 and im just finishing up my 4th cycle. Tbh its a good LED but it doesnt produce the same quality flower as my HID system and changing out my bulbs to the 10k finishing bulb super blue That beleaf and juymied also use to get the trichomb on top of trichomb effect.
@marcelbergeron5345
@marcelbergeron5345 Год назад
Please do the Gavita Pro RS 2400e
@INIEILS0IN
@INIEILS0IN Год назад
Great review as always from migro at the other end of the price spectrum would love to see a test on the lumii black 720 not much info or reviews out there for it and how it works the pros/cons , a 720w led run using a 600w hps digital ballast for £450?.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
I think they’re a knock off Lumatek brand. They say they use some lesser known “Pioneer” diodes, but not sure on that. You can go to this video to see a review and par map test if you want. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ooxzjDkMAwM.html
@gokuzawa268
@gokuzawa268 Год назад
Yes a test on the lumii black would be great. The test from Marijuana SA is not so great (no myllar walls). Also I would love to see Shane's thoughts on the ballast instead of drivers, especially if it would reduce the leds' lifespan.
@gokuzawa268
@gokuzawa268 Год назад
@@freedom_born I understand your point of view but disagree. In our modern days, sadly, everybody's copying everybody, some hides it better than others. Also Lumatek has never done (as far as I know) a LED light with a ballast, so I don't see a copy here. But copycat or not, not testing a cheap light is taking a chance that people will buy it. Shane has tested some pretty crappy lights and said they are crappy, so the customer knows. The reason I asked about this light is that the price in insanly low in Europe compared to others, half the price of chinese brands like SF ou HM, 3 times less than european brands. Also using a ballast instead of a driver is kind of a curiosity and bring out questions about longevity wich an expert like Shane would be trusted to answer.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@Goku Zawa I understand what you mean. But the company doesn’t even say what diodes they use. One website says Pioneer, another says they use their own in-house diodes. That’s a major red flag when the company itself can’t even give their specs. Besides which, Lumii is indeed a knock off Lumatek & Photontek brand, irrespective whether Shane’s tested crappy lights before. I’d say those tests were only done as comparison tests and not stand alone tests. Essentially Shane won’t review an absolute no name brand, but will test brands that are relatively known. It’s like asking him to test brands like Sonlipo, Szhlux, Phlizon, FECiDA, etc… So in conclusion, Shane prob won’t ever test Lumii unless they send him one. Cos he likely won’t request one to be sent - and even if they do send one, he prob won’t dow stand alone test and review anyway.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@Goku Zawa I mean don’t get me wrong, sorry if i seemed like an asshole earlier. I understand your frustration and curiosity, and realize you prob need validation or satisfaction for your purchase(s). But if you’ve got old ballasts lying around, and can utilize them, that’s a real bonus. Not to mention the price range too. The PAR coverage where the S.A. guy measures without Mylar is about 1100 avg for the center. Ofc there’s a huge drop off to about 100 avg for the corners, but the center reading should indicate a predictable avg as the coverage spreads out. So prob 600-700 corner/side avg. Those are still good readings regardless. So don’t worry too much, even the Lumatek ballasts aren’t that reliable either - and Lumatek is a reputable brand by industry standards.
@whobdob
@whobdob Год назад
What was the light that this one beat ? is there an updated list of the results for all the lights being tested >?
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
The other light was the tarantula, no sorry we have no updated list.
@SKUNKHERO4EVER
@SKUNKHERO4EVER Год назад
how abaut DIMLUX ?? i really need to see some test results :)
@MrNoyazz
@MrNoyazz Год назад
No heath dissipation off any kind ?? I don´t know it that would run too much time...
@jerryrekowski8371
@jerryrekowski8371 Год назад
which is better the Photo Tek XT 1000 CO2 Pro or this HLG Scorpion in a 5x5 or 6x6 area? thank you keep up the great work
@sjedi5646
@sjedi5646 Год назад
Photontek is far superior to hlg in every way
@Thomas-xl7sp
@Thomas-xl7sp Год назад
@@sjedi5646 Obviously not every way. This one has the higher effeciency pr watt.
@mikeworth313
@mikeworth313 Год назад
Very good name I like your style
@honeyballleckda1699
@honeyballleckda1699 Год назад
Wow. We reached efficiency which need to be continued evolved.... What is the physical limit for Lumen/Watt?
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
Around 450 lumens per watt is about the avg “theoretical” upper limit.
@JohnDoe-jj6wf
@JohnDoe-jj6wf Год назад
How would you recommend using your UVB light setup in addition to a light like this that covers so much of the canopy? Would you hang it from the side? Or would overhead still allow enough uvb through?
@maxwellkline7600
@maxwellkline7600 Год назад
Don't do it
@maxwellkline7600
@maxwellkline7600 Год назад
I went to the pet store and got a bunch of uv-b 10-watt lights spiral compact fluorescent they might have actually even been 15 or 23 w. I placed them a foot-and-a-half away from some foliage and within a week and a half the foliage was absolutely destroyed
@markspence4173
@markspence4173 Год назад
@@maxwellkline7600 how long did you leave the UVB lights on for and at what point in flower?
@brianrobin5460
@brianrobin5460 Год назад
@@markspence4173 your supposed to use UVA not UVB
@markspence4173
@markspence4173 Год назад
Im not using either, trying to figure what this guy was doing
@gregmcallister3893
@gregmcallister3893 Год назад
Aloha & Two thumbs up to HLG and Samsung for the chips that make it cook! Gone are the days when we could cook a chicken off the heat of a double ended gavita hid. Did HLG forget to add a little far red?
@413TomaccoRoad
@413TomaccoRoad Год назад
Wrap it in foil and stick it in a car's engine bay lol.
@rmcnasty7319
@rmcnasty7319 Год назад
Nice light, price to high , how about $ 699.00
@rmcnasty7319
@rmcnasty7319 Год назад
Won't all that red promote elongated plants ?
@413TomaccoRoad
@413TomaccoRoad Год назад
@@rmcnasty7319 Not if there's enough blue to prevent it from going too far.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@R McNasty Not a chance for $699. As mentioned before on your comment, the SE7000 is over $700 and even that can’t compete with this.
@gioco4971
@gioco4971 Год назад
Is this actually more efficient then Hps and mmh grow light?
@CL-ty6wp
@CL-ty6wp Год назад
Probably by 3x
@Walter4Skin
@Walter4Skin Год назад
Shane where are you we need more content! hope all is good
@roger880
@roger880 Год назад
What's the difference between samsung and bridgelux diodes?
@gokuzawa268
@gokuzawa268 Год назад
Efficiency, price, voltage and probably lifespan.
@Herbertti3
@Herbertti3 Год назад
Is mars hydro TS1000 still up to bar these days?
@skunkgorilla2009
@skunkgorilla2009 3 месяца назад
its still amongst the best budget 150W fixture for the price in US, great output but uses off brand diodes. Not that it matters too much. in EU there are better budget options! i think if you put 4 TS-1000's in a 5x5 its will be amazing
@renoryan100
@renoryan100 Год назад
I have a 4x4 bed but i am in a room not a tent. Would you recommend the Scorpion Diablo X or the Photontek XT 1000 C02? i have the ability to supply CO2 to room as well. It seems like the addition of the reflectors might be a better situation for me given the direct light to the canopy. I am looking forward to your reply. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into testing these LED lights. Much Love.
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
If you have that kind of money to spend man either light is a good option
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
Your average PAR would be about 1400. I would go for about 600w max for a 4x4 and target 1000 average PAR AND Hang some mylar off the sides for best efficiency
@renoryan100
@renoryan100 Год назад
@@MIGROLIGHT So i think the Diablo X will be perfect then. It really is a 5x5 space not a 4x4.
@TheChromePoet
@TheChromePoet Год назад
@@MIGROLIGHT If seedlings, vegetative, and mature-stage plants require different PAR intensities to grow, then why is it that outdoor plants are able to grow under the sun no matter what stage the plant is at? But indoor plants should be grown at specific par intensity based on their stage.
@maxwellkline7600
@maxwellkline7600 Год назад
@@TheChromePoet outdoor if the seedlings do not have the correct moisture and also if it's NOT in some partial shade at first the cuticle is too thin one the actual surface of the leaf. The cuticles the wax-like substance that protects it kind of like your skin or pigment. It has to be established first for it to be able to handle the intense light from the sun. Plus there's a million-plus things that could kill those seedlings outside. And why not start the plant out inside as a seedling in a Solo cup and then transfer. From popping accede to about two-and-a-half weeks 3 weeks as long as the roots are sturdy in a the solo cup you can move the to and area with a mesh over it. After a week of healthy feeding. Let the sun start saying, what's up baby Jane....damn you lookin fine.....let me smother you with this big ol comforting warm. After that, and they become established try to find yourself some old reserve barrels preferably 55-gallon barrels of agent Orange and that's so far as been the best fertilizer I've ever used. GOOD LUCK
@renoryan100
@renoryan100 Год назад
Would you recommend the New Scorpion Diablo or The new Scorpion Diablo X for full cycle seedling to flower?
@jimmyrustle6725
@jimmyrustle6725 Год назад
The X is more of a flowering light due to spectrum. Go with the regular Scorp D for full cycle.
@renoryan100
@renoryan100 Год назад
@@jimmyrustle6725 Thank you. Thats what i thought being more red.
@ponydong
@ponydong Год назад
Sweeeet babbbby jeeeesus 🤤🤤🤤🥵💯💣💥
@michael2305
@michael2305 Год назад
Another I would rahter run at at lower power in a 4x4 instead of a 5x5. Still convinced if ure growing in a tent larger than 4x4 multiple modules are the way to go.
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
Yeah I agree, sticking a 700 watt light on full power 16in above the canopy sounds like a bad idea to me
@lok777
@lok777 Год назад
I am curious to see a Bar style light that has a 5x5 footprint instead of another 4x4 light that puts out more umoles.
@josuvaan
@josuvaan Год назад
Wow 😳
@vanislandbeauty4926
@vanislandbeauty4926 Год назад
juicy, Shane i hope you are developing a new style of fixture that is even more efficient, wish i could work with you to make an even spread, seems simple to me
@mopar426power
@mopar426power Год назад
With all electronics, they never make the best version right off the bat, even though they can. They have to keep selling "iterations" that are just a little better than the last. This isn't directed at Shane by the way, just consumer electronics in general.
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
@@mopar426power yep that's a great point it's going to be a snail's pace to the proper design
@mopar426power
@mopar426power Год назад
@@jm12green31 Like always
@mystro8295
@mystro8295 Год назад
Which light is better this or the tarantula vulcan ?
@BENZO_RSK
@BENZO_RSK Год назад
2)
@mystro8295
@mystro8295 Год назад
@@BENZO_RSK say what ?
@mmabb5464
@mmabb5464 Год назад
I'd like to see the chart at 24" or 30". Those heights are probably more accurate to the height you would have to hang that light in a grow tent using full power.
@riverrose3089
@riverrose3089 Год назад
correct, 20-24 sweet spot with co2, 24+ without
@tg8051
@tg8051 Год назад
What an amazing light! One thing I wonder about is how much heat does a light like that put out?
@bobnewhart4318
@bobnewhart4318 Год назад
Lots of it
@williamgarzo2675
@williamgarzo2675 Год назад
Mine puts out a good amout
@93deeluxxx34
@93deeluxxx34 11 месяцев назад
Watts and BTU’s(heat measurement) are 100% relative.
@igormarinkovic1531
@igormarinkovic1531 Год назад
As far as i know big grow ops rarely use these fictures.. Its usualy cmh or led bars
@ezrollerj
@ezrollerj 9 месяцев назад
I wouldn't look at businesses as a model for what's best.
@blopjones1665
@blopjones1665 Год назад
Man I'm addicted to LEDs.
@cjfredi
@cjfredi Год назад
Yep, and migro keeps pulling me back in.
@adamwestwood3940
@adamwestwood3940 Год назад
Me too I sometimes sit in my grow room just to bathe in the light
@situationsixtynine8743
@situationsixtynine8743 Год назад
Me too, I love the fact that you can build your own lights, the flexibility in use and you can experiment with different configurations etc.
@413TomaccoRoad
@413TomaccoRoad Год назад
Any plans to review the HLG Blackbird?
@volvo09
@volvo09 Год назад
Get them to send him one.
@PeterKKraus
@PeterKKraus Год назад
@@volvo09 I can't make them.
@openyourmindsettv8032
@openyourmindsettv8032 Год назад
Great ! Please my friend test the AIR GROW PRO III "HYPER RED" of FUTURE OF GROW (FOG)
@QuantumFarmer
@QuantumFarmer Год назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@michaelsndersted2341
@michaelsndersted2341 Год назад
When can we expect to see migro ligths with samsung evo, thats what im looking for 😊
@413TomaccoRoad
@413TomaccoRoad Год назад
They have kind of an expensive design to have manufactured ;so they use diodes that are close to the efficiency of Samsung at a lower price than Samsung.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@413 Tomacco Rd The Arays use Samsung LM281s. Good efficiency just a lower amperage/current.
@kwamerichards2298
@kwamerichards2298 Год назад
So gml 1300 hlg 1299 lol from frenzy to foes
@Just___me_
@Just___me_ Год назад
With a light spread from 490 to 1350, I'm not sure how even I would consider that.
@phill3144
@phill3144 Год назад
Make a better one, show em how it's done 😂
@Just___me_
@Just___me_ Год назад
@@phill3144 It sounds like you think it would be difficult. It really isn't. I have done it.
@guitarjoe2477
@guitarjoe2477 Год назад
I mean realistically that’s a lot of output near the centre of the light, raised another 6” you’d get a much more desirable spread
@DiegoMorales-jh1qi
@DiegoMorales-jh1qi Год назад
It's just a matter of rising it up a bit further until the spread is as even as possible... Nowhere in the vid says that the maximum/ideal/better spread output is going to be the same... I would take this over ANY modern bar style light that only produces decent numbers on really close distances, with a SHIT penetration of the canopy, because it just doesn't perform as good when you add distance... QBs, specially good ones, are pretty good at putting decent numbers of PAR on deeper than a half foot deep canopy....
@Just___me_
@Just___me_ Год назад
@@DiegoMorales-jh1qi I hear what you're saying. Raising the up to where the center is at 1200 will help the outside a little. It still won't be very good. It would be even better in a 4x4 tent. My point is that these companies build a light and then advertise it for a specific size grow space, in this case a 5x5, then it gets what I see as lousy outside border coverage. Most grow spaces that people use are standard sizes. Why can't someone design a light for these specific sizes that will actually give a consistent spread for that area. I would call an acceptable coverage spread being 1200 center and no less than 850 in the corners. I would buy that light.
@josephspezia3509
@josephspezia3509 Год назад
I gotta let you know your website is acting up. Will not properly load to shop for products
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
Fixed now thanks
@juicyjumbler
@juicyjumbler Год назад
The issue for me is picking the proper LED. Sure this looks great, but at 1,200$ how does this compare to a number of high rated 600-800$ units? I can get 2 Mars-Hydro FCE-8000 or Spider Farmers SE7000 or others for the price of the Diablo X here; which people are getting epic results from.
@lok777
@lok777 Год назад
My FC-8000's wiring literally melted at the connection between the driver and the light. I sold my remaining Mars Hydro and bought Fluence and Scynce lights, they do not even get warm at the connections. just spend the extra money on something that could burn your house down.
@Styler177
@Styler177 Год назад
@@lok777 Not a big fan of Mars hydros build quality. sometimes lots of flickering going on when dimming year 2021 Ts1000s, they're running hot without active fans on top of them. However the hortione600s have surpassed my wildest expectations in every aspect
@juicyjumbler
@juicyjumbler Год назад
@@lok777 I understand. I have no issue spending a couple hundred more but now I'm not getting a Mars/Spider and I'm not getting the HLG Diablo which still leaves me with- what LED should I get. I need 3 overall so the more value I can get the better.
@joshuadeloach1676
@joshuadeloach1676 Год назад
@@juicyjumbler I own a spider farmer SE7000 and love it.50%power for the first couple weeks and 60% power is what I recommend through veg and would hang a little higher than the manual recommends. I put this light up against that light he is reviewing and have two of them for the price of his one. I plan to buy two more of them.Just a recommendation growmie
@juicyjumbler
@juicyjumbler Год назад
@@joshuadeloach1676 I've have been looking hard and close and that new SE7000 looks legit. I'm super skeptical of Mars-Hydro but their new FC-E8000 looks on par with the Spider Farmer. I hear nothing but great things about SE7000. So tempting. HLG does manufacture in USA and has good costumer service. But 1,300?? Decisons decisions.. thanks for your opinion.
@paulchrystie5460
@paulchrystie5460 Год назад
2.89 wow
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
That's funny bc the website claims over 3.0
@stephenj37824
@stephenj37824 Год назад
@JM12Green 2.89 is ppfd per watt . 3.06 is ppf per watt in an integrated sphere. Two totally different metrics. PPFD = Photosynthetic photon flux denity PPF= Photosynthetic photon flux
@eanderson3533
@eanderson3533 Год назад
Would you ever consider testing grandmaster lights ? I would like to see that one .
@knowyuhgrow420
@knowyuhgrow420 Год назад
He already did
@93deeluxxx34
@93deeluxxx34 Год назад
2 of them lol
@wridlercrushimal5087
@wridlercrushimal5087 Год назад
@@knowyuhgrow420 which one ?
@bignoah808
@bignoah808 Год назад
that unit looks serious..
@greggory448
@greggory448 6 месяцев назад
Gml New tarantula
@harry8442
@harry8442 Год назад
Looks like HLG took some ideas from the photobio mx and Mars Hydrio
@billhatcher2984
@billhatcher2984 Год назад
That grin on your face made it obvious that you like stirring up a competition how long do you think it will take for someone to get over 3 m.m I never thought I would see over 2.5 it's getting to the point where it makes sense to stay where you are and give them time to get as high as possible and then the price competition starts 5hen we can make our purchases . It will never be enough I'm going to enjoy the race 👍
@steffenmullinski1551
@steffenmullinski1551 Год назад
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@revoltoff
@revoltoff Год назад
Good light, a certain ''competitor'' of HLG based in good ole' Canada will not be very happy... anyhow, I would love to see a great 500 watt light with this efficiency, hopefully a project for Migro in the future now Energy prices in Europe are skyrocketing, a 500w light vs a 700w light does not decrease quality by that much but it does decrease the electricity draw by quite a bit...
@revoltoff
@revoltoff Год назад
@ChannelTheLizard I mean you can but why would I dim a 700 watt light that I paid extra for because of the extra power as oppose to just running a 500 watt light at full capacity.
@GeofryMasters
@GeofryMasters Год назад
GML is most certainly NOT a competitor to an international company like hlg lmfao. GML stans are hilariously corny
@revoltoff
@revoltoff Год назад
@@GeofryMasters They are but from that hatred sometimes good Products do come forward 😅
@revoltoff
@revoltoff Год назад
@@GeofryMasters I mean, what would you buy on the market right now that is not the same ole same ol ...
@GeofryMasters
@GeofryMasters Год назад
@@revoltoff Being able to buy something and actually being a threat to another companies sales are two ENTIRELY different things. HLG gives no fucks about GML lights. He isn't taking any of their market share away lmfao. If someone ordered 100 lights from GML it would take months for them to receive them because he doesn't have a big manufacturing base. You're comparing apples to oranges here. HLG is a massive company while GML is just a guy making lights and he sourced out the materials and manufacturing
@TheSpeechkiss
@TheSpeechkiss Год назад
New video please thank you.
@lcpgrowers4658
@lcpgrowers4658 Год назад
Looks like an awesome light! Love the idea of the reflectors as well, especially for an open footprint setup. 👍 Looks like, from the PPFD map that the reflectors make it a much better choice for a 4x4 footprint than a 5x5 though. Would be interesting to see a test in a 4x4 with reflective walls to see how much the built in reflectors actually direct the light down vs out to the sides/reflection off the walls. 🤔
@davedefrost2174
@davedefrost2174 Год назад
lets compare it to the ARRAY 12
@LegacyMarketFarm
@LegacyMarketFarm Год назад
Spectrum king SK600
@rgrant991
@rgrant991 Год назад
This vs photonteks finest!
@sjedi5646
@sjedi5646 Год назад
Photontek wins everytime💯
@budstermcgreen6360
@budstermcgreen6360 Год назад
I don't understand how HLG hasn't developed and released a bar style light yet? Nearly all companies are doing it and "even spread" is all the rage. As it should be. ✌️
@riverrose3089
@riverrose3089 Год назад
you will probably find the spread is more even off the diablo, bar lights still have a hot spot in the middle..
@413TomaccoRoad
@413TomaccoRoad Год назад
That's a lot of 4 digit numbers in a 4.5' x 4.5 ' area. 😎
@dieterlarrssen4745
@dieterlarrssen4745 Год назад
finally they realized a block of aluminium weighting half a ton does not equal efficient heatdissapation
@bennielamb8911
@bennielamb8911 Год назад
Can you all pitch in for mine? Hehehe
@andymaldonado9112
@andymaldonado9112 Год назад
Cant wait untill yall get a hold of mammoths new mint white 880w. That's gonna be the one to look out for.
@constant_evolution_genetic478
Oh man grandmasterlevel is not going to be happy with this one, this fued is going to raise the bar on leds cuz now gml has to come even stronger
@gregmcallister3893
@gregmcallister3893 Год назад
GML has far red that you can control the light levels it would be nice to grow plants to measure a light like we did in the 1970s to test HID mercury vapor, metal halide and HPS. A light meter is not a living breathing plant.
@brandonstanley5324
@brandonstanley5324 Год назад
Right
@Str8basshead
@Str8basshead Год назад
Lol I was just thinking the same thing😆
@brandonstanley5324
@brandonstanley5324 Год назад
@@grandmasterlevel can't wait to see u back on top GML
@marijuonko7092
@marijuonko7092 Год назад
@@grandmasterlevel remember Shane's reaction to gmls light. Most unethusiastic reaction I ever seen. Lmfao but yea hlg is not what it's cracked up to be. Went from a hlg 550 in a 4x4 to two sp3000s and my yeilds went way up. I was lucky to get 2 pounds with hlg. Almost got 3 last two runs with the mars. Kinda blown away by mars. And bummed about the hlgs.
@marijuonko7092
@marijuonko7092 Год назад
Switched from a hlg 550 to two mars sp3000s. My yeilds are so much better with mars. I was lucky to pull 2 in a 4x4 with hlg. I bet I can get 4 with mars in a 4x4. Was kinda shocked my mars are better then my hlgs.
@robertmiller6822
@robertmiller6822 Год назад
Yep better spread and probably more power the mars hydro fc 6800 is almost the same as this the fc 8000 kills it but yeah Shane reviews on mars are always positive especially the sp 3000.
@dieterlarrssen4745
@dieterlarrssen4745 Год назад
yeah for sure bro. Your Mars kicks a...its twice as bright as the diablo and 4 times as efficient. Theres proof. By scientists. I recently sold my Corvette and now im winning backyard races in my new Hyundai. Was suprised too see how far 60hp can get me.
@ronquando3088
@ronquando3088 Год назад
Man you added more watts and you’re using 2 lights which would make the spread better… of course it’s better than 1 light with less watts… that’d didn’t mean it’s actually better than HLG… And I hate to to burst your bubble but you’ll probably not get 4lbs from a 4x4 running 600 watts…
@robertmiller6822
@robertmiller6822 Год назад
Im just at the end of a grow, done with the mars fce 4800 it's done really well and on about 85-90% compared to my hlg 550 rspec but in my other tent I'm just running 2x sp 250s and about to put a sp3000 on the middle all on about 85%, I've found mars par maps among some of the best.
@marijuonko7092
@marijuonko7092 Год назад
@@robertmiller6822 my 4x4 with the two sp3000s is the biggest yeilds I ever got. I'm completely blown away by it. I used hlg for years
@jdstumpy9367
@jdstumpy9367 Год назад
GML will be spitting feather 🪶 🤣
@randylayhee3018
@randylayhee3018 Год назад
42% red sounds like a lot
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
Offset by the needed ratio of blue to compensate
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
The more the better. Red is more photosynthetically efficienct
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
Also. What Shane said.
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
@@freedom_born are you Shane's bitch or something? Haha always running to his defense
@josiabollinger6263
@josiabollinger6263 Год назад
I have a question, what is your opinion on the following statement by scynceled: But wait a minute….a plant is not a flat surface. So why do we use these sensors? Mainly because there are really not any other options. Licor makes a spherical quantum sensor ( LI-193 ) that is designed to measure underwater light and looks promising for use in horticulture, but hasn’t been fully tested or vetted out in this application just yet. According to Licor this sensor measures, “Photosynthetic Photon Flux Fluence Rate (PPFFR) or Quantum Scalar Irradiance. This is important, for example, when studying phytoplankton, which utilize radiation from all directions for photosynthesis.” The last time we checked, plants utilize radiation from all directions as well. Let’s bring the conversation back to what this means to those of us today that need to measure light energy at our grow facilities. Most meters measure light from about an 80° cone ( +/- 40°) which works great in 99% of applications, specifically those with HID/HPS and bare LEDs. Scynce’s lights fall into the 1% category where traditional light meters don’t tell the whole story. The image to the left demonstrates how a light sensor captures energy emitted under a 40° angle. Most of the lights Scynce makes use a 120° full width secondary optic that emits light at 60° in each direction. That means that 70% of the light emitted from a Scynce light is unable to be captured by a hand-held light meter accurately. scynceled.com/blog/how-much-light-is-your-plant-really-getting/
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
That's a great point man
@Ledgrowlightsdepot
@Ledgrowlightsdepot Год назад
🍿🍿🍿Comment section.
@lightworker17
@lightworker17 Год назад
id rather use both gml and chilled and mammoth evo
@cameronmiller6222
@cameronmiller6222 Год назад
Any particular reasons?
@brettwilcock3341
@brettwilcock3341 Год назад
Wont work with Trolmaster, since HLG have dropped the other driver Meanwell to another brand of driver Inventronics
@stephenj37824
@stephenj37824 Год назад
Not true at all
@brettwilcock3341
@brettwilcock3341 Год назад
@@stephenj37824 it wont dim completely I know i have them and have spoken with HLG directly, so 100% dim is not going to happen. Period!.
@stephenj37824
@stephenj37824 Год назад
I'm not real sure who you've spoken with but I'm the owner of the company and the designer. If your unit isn't then there is a problem. Contact warranty and tell them you spoke to me. Thanks
@brettwilcock3341
@brettwilcock3341 Год назад
@@stephenj37824 Hi Stephen I am running 4x550 rspec 3 with meanwell drivers they dim down from 100% to 0% 1 x 550 rspec with the inventronics driver thats dims down from 100% to 10% this pissed me off no end . Total darkness cannot be achived with Inventronics driver, I contacted trolmaster then Hlg its the Inventronic driver . Check your specs.
@hutch0025
@hutch0025 Год назад
6 groplaneer 150s in same setup would be certainly as good light wise
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
Cool light but way out of my price range
@redeye1773
@redeye1773 Год назад
missing the whole middle of spectrum .looks like a re tagged mars hydro.way over priced for a blurple light worth about 450 tops
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
People pay 1300 bc it's called diablo haha
@rmcnasty7319
@rmcnasty7319 Год назад
Good review, Shane. My Chinese friend said he could build it for $275.00. Or have it built in China for under $500 bucks. Why the mark up on price ? 🤔
@lordoftheturps9337
@lordoftheturps9337 Год назад
Because it’s made in America putting Americans to work
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
Idk man. It’d be pretty damn hard to get a company to custom build something that can compete with this for $500. The SE5000 & even the 7000 from Spider Farmer can’t compete with this.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
I have a custom built 6bar light from a local company i requested them to make. Everything comparable to an SE5000 and that was $500… that was the cheapest i could knock them down. If i ordered the SE5000 it would’ve been $180 extra. An SE5000 for almost $700, or even a custom built like mine for $500 will never compete with this.
@volvo09
@volvo09 Год назад
If he can do it why isn't he? Talk is cheap.
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
Your friend is a liar. The components themselves would cost multiples of that before assembly, testing, packaging, shipping, warranties, delivery, over heads insurance duties, taxes... Those kind of comments annoy me to be honest.
@charleshill5547
@charleshill5547 Год назад
I doesn't do any better than spider farmer or mars hydro bar lights. Twice the price
@mystro8295
@mystro8295 Год назад
This light has better driver, diodes and better warranty.
@charleshill5547
@charleshill5547 Год назад
@my stro says who. Same diodes different name and ain't sht made in America so don't do it 😂😂😂
@daniel-qh4zq
@daniel-qh4zq Год назад
GOOD GOD, IT IS EXPENSIVE!
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217
@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 Год назад
I can take 12 of the Waveform 10watt led bulbs....make an array with 6 bulbs on each side in parallel formation separated by about oh 4 inches....where i have 3 of the 6,500k and 3 of the 2,700k staggered on one side, and then of course 3 of the 95+ CRI 6500k pure sunlight kelvin and 3 of the 2,700k 95+ CRI 10watt led bulbs staggered on the other side. 12 bulbs in total....all of them 95+ CRI certified R90 or better. And i will grow circles around all of you....muwahaahaahaha!!!!
@greybush1976
@greybush1976 Год назад
So now HLG is copying the Mars approach to light reflectors.
@Luc-nx2vy
@Luc-nx2vy Год назад
C'est Q648 board pour commencer, ensuite il n'y a pas de lmb evo et pour finir t'es un amateur.
@dailyamusing235
@dailyamusing235 Год назад
Aye no problem 1,200 pounds
@MetrosFinest
@MetrosFinest Год назад
Excellent light but not worth the price. There's just to many good lights way cheaper. Just my opinion though 🤷
@grownonymous
@grownonymous Год назад
People really need to take a look at the CCT of this fixture, and consider it it's even suitable for flowering. Not sure hitting high efficiency with a useless spectrum is a worthwhile trade off.
@MIGROLIGHT
@MIGROLIGHT Год назад
Whats wrong with the spectrum? It seems perfectly suitable to me
@GeofryMasters
@GeofryMasters Год назад
Lmfao this is the dumbest comment on this video
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@MIGRO You know what Shane, me thinks it’s just the QB design that puts people off. Ask them why they think the spectrum is wrong and they can’t tell you. This, and ALL THE best lights on the market don’t even produce 80% of what the sun does, and they’re calling it a useless spectrum? Wow
@jm12green31
@jm12green31 Год назад
@@freedom_born blue and red spikes man let that sink in haha
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Год назад
@JM12Green 🤣🥴🤡
@jccuchvjvj
@jccuchvjvj Год назад
Clearly reflectors works in LEDs
@blackweed3078
@blackweed3078 Год назад
🫢🫢🫢🫢🫢🫢
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