It seems like every time Hollywood decides to bring back some old franchise, it sparks another fan backlash that leads to misery all round. But why does it keep happening, and can it be avoided? Let's find out.
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See, us Transformers fans are good. Say what you want about Michael Bay, but at least he didn't pull a "Last Jedi" or "Rise Of Skywalker" on us. I'll take my shitty explosions over that any day.
When these remakes come from certain institutions (Hollywood or Silicon Valley) you already know it's gonna be half-assed at best and woke AND half-assed at worst. Usually it's at worst. I passed on the remakes of Fame, Ghostbusters, and Heathers due to said expectations. I'll be passing on the Highlander remake for those exact same reasons.
@@camrendavis6650 Cuz a Franchise that's already bad can't be made worse. I say this as a Transformers Fan. I have my transformers action figures to prove it.
@@camrendavis6650 this is just my opinion but Michael Bay Was a transformers heretic. He didn't need to make "a last Jedi" of transformers because that's what he started with
Well, at least Back to the future is safe since Robert Zemecis went out of his way to include the clause in his contract that even after he's dead the studio is not allowed to remake it or make any sequels.
Tolkien is such a genius. It’s going to be so devastating to see Amazon destroy his hard work when the release the new tv show. There is a chance they could do it right but I’m not willing to bet on that.
I always think of Matt Smith when he was cast as the Doctor. He was fairly open about how he hadn't ever watch Doctor Who, and that put some fans off, but he didn't pull a Whitaker, do his own thing, then bitch about the fans not liking him. He went back and watched some of the previous episodes and older series. He got a sense of what was expected of the Doctor, and he worked to give the fans what they actually wanted. Now he's considered one of the best Doctor's in the history of the show, unlike Whitaker who fans are actively waiting for her to go.
matt smith is the only reason I kept watching doctor who for as long as I did, despite being bored to death of the (for the second time in a row) completely useless 3rd wheel male companion injected in the series only to be able to have a pointless fake love triangle. As well as bored to death of the pacifism-at-all-costs of the previous doctor, where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and finally had to resort to implausible and repeated deus ex machina to save the world, since they had written the doctor into being unable to act upon the danger.
I must say that I love all of the new doctors, even Whittaker. I think she could have been amazing, but fell victim to bad writing. Really bad writing. To many things changed at once and I feel that the team is the failure, not her. This is coming from a huge fan of the Doc as well, so I think that she's a special case of wanting to fulfill a classic character but awful writing and execution.
It just goes to show that you don't need to be a fan of a series to do it justice, just have the humility and work ethic to do your research and put effort into it.
Samuel L Jackson. He wanted a purple lightsaber, Lucas didn't want to give it to him because it wasn't cannon. He ended up giving him what he wanted, and he spawned a whole lore based around lightsaber colors. The intrigue sparked at his purple lightsaber (something an actor and fan wanted) sparked thousands of more adventures in the galaxy far far away.
I remember when I saw the documentary When Star Wars Ruled The World and heard Kevin Smith say that the scene where Luke takes Vader’s mask off to reveal the face of a frail, broken man was “disappointing.” It was at that moment I knew that Kevin Smith was a fucking idiot.
Right now I'm thinking about that scene in POTC 1 where Barbossa knocks Elizabeth unconscious with a right hook in the jaw. In that moment in the film, it feels just so RIGHT. Not because I hate Kiera Knightley, but because Barbossa is first built up as some sort of evil overlord (chaotic evil) and is then revelaed to be a total pragmatic (neutral evil), plus he's just trying to get un-cursed, and you almost start to think "hmmm, he's not that bad". And then, snap, the roles are reestablished. Yeah, he's an evil bastard after all. I wonder if this scene would be filmed nowadays. Are villains still allowed to beat up helpless girls? Or is that "problematic"?
I mean, I heard there was a controversy a while ago because a comic book or something portrayed the Joker choking Cat Woman or something like that. So, yeah, apparently it is now problematic to portray crazy violent criminals being aggressive towards women, because we all know the actual joker would draw the line there.
If they listened to fans they would get proper results like Paramount had with Sonic. But I guess majority of the executives are living on a different planet
@John Mateus And there you have it. They ain't exactly human anymore, or they don't see us as Human anymore.... or maybe both. I think that's true of people who force the Mask Mandates on us; they want to hide expression of joy and companionship that they themselves are incapable of.
I think Bo Burnham said it best in Make Happy I wanna give you the night out I feel that you deserve, but I also wanna be true to myself and not care what you think about it Part of me loves you Part of me hates you Part of me needs you Part of me fears you What a great show that man put on. It's hard being a creative person that makes things that represent how you feel and your experiences, but then that makes you popular and you feel like you have an obligation to the people who made you popular to make the same thing over and over but you want to make something new and different. It's an odd place to be and I don't think most people can relate. Don't actively hate your fans though, that's just stupid and selfish.
Situations like these always reminds me of the time when Henry Cavil said in an interview that fans aren't toxic when they speak out, they're passionate.
If that's true, then I respect him a lot more. He was a great for for The Witcher, because he himself is a fan. He understands how protective we can be of these stories, and how understandably pissed we can get when some hack fucks it up for the sake of social kudos.
@@GhostLink92 It is true ffs. All you have to do is look up said interview. Too much to ask anyone anymore. Instant gratification has ruined humanity. God forbid you take two seconds to search before posting "if thats true" DUURRRRRR
@@FatherSaundersbit of an over reaction, I think you should have saved this rant for one of those “source, or it isn’t real” people. Their comment was perfectly reasonable, classic case of misplaced anger lol
I have to admit, I get a bit teary-eyed whenever Sonic is mentioned in this type of discussion. The movie itself wasn't awesome. It was serviceable. It was decent. It was almost average. But the fact that they fixed the blue speeding boy for the fans is just heart-warming. It's the right thing to do. The movie doesn't deserve a sequel for the post credits scene, it deserves a sequel for respecting the fans. Of which I am not. And I'll still watch the sequel.
@@christopherregan1654 me too, to be honest. The movie was average. He improved it considerably. And the lack of politics made it look as something fresh.
Same thing, I wasn't exactly amazed by the story, but the way they treated fans was so amazing of them They actually went and brought the old sonic designer for this movie to give fans what they need. I don't say this movie was the first to do it, but it was the best in so long, especially after what happened with the star wars sequel trilogy
Ahhhhh but. A heck of a lot of stuff you consider the original is a remake of something previous that i would wager isnt better. Old black and white films, or early technicolour with dodgy costumes and hammy acting.. fun still but take the fly.. the cronenberg version is awesome.. the earlier one.. nahh
People who take your hilarious persona too seriously and call you toxic really need to watch this video in particular. Your message of mutual respect, understanding, and simple customer service is something that actually qualifies as enlightened in my opinion.
@@priapulida Not only weak, but they are not allowed to have any redeeming characteristics that could make the audience possibly relate to them or understand their motivations. Other than that they are a weak man with a small penis who needs to oppress women to make up for his insecurity I guess....which it not something many people can relate to.
They can’t have evil villain characters anymore. It’s too black and white (unintended pun). It’s too Christian to have clearly bad people versus heroes. Blurring the line between good and evil has been the progressive project for years.
@@alienzenx Like Dracula in the animated Castlevania show on Netflix. Yeah, he wants to murder all of humanity for vengeance but they actually make us understand the pain and anger that led him to that decision. Like, wow. An actual well written villain.
I know this is random but I have to think of a cartoon villain whos skin color actully turns when he equips his power mcguffin. Pretty cool design I really like his short but cool transformation sequence. A pretty enjoyable and fun villain. Has a bit of a goofy attitute but is also a bad ass fighter. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nO59s3Bqnls.html (spoiler alert fore Wakfu)
@@alienzenx Some can but the redeeming qualities are usually more forced upon. It really depends on what the character is. If the villain is male then usually they are evil beyond belief no matter the reasoning. If the villain is female then they'll try to create a redeeming quality that may never had been intended or how bad their goal was like Cruella. And based on their sexuality, it may depend if they are going to be a villain or not. Like Ghost Spider I think his name was in Batwoman. He was initially DC's villain version of Spider-Man but they made him trans or something in the show. So automatically, he can't be evil. It gets rather predictable when we know what "the message" is and how they treat people. So we can pretty much tell who's good or bad just by looking at them or if they tell us their checkboxes
It's despicable when they call old school fans "neckbeards" and "manchildren". Those neckbeards have watched these movies for 20 or 30 years. They spent thousands of dollars on figures, blu rays, posters, keychains, shirts, and all other manner of useless merch. They paid to see the actors and writers and directors. They gave these franchises the long lasting energy they have and these hacks want to discard them for not accepting their hijacking of the franchise.
The fans also watch the originals with their own children, keeping the fandom alive with the next generation. Stupid woke cultural vandals forget that the original fans grew up to have families of their own.
Thank you, Critical Drinker, for so succinctly expressing my innermost and incendiary reactions to this junk. I am so sick of seeing beloved material hijacked for someone's agenda, to be Viewed For My Own Good, while often the original creators are castigated for something they said or did now considered offensive. I grew up in the McCarthy Era, and it's horrifying to see it all happening again. One thing- my parents were the only people I ever heard admit to having supported Joe McCarthy and the HUAC. Afterwards, everybody said stuff like, "Oh yes, those were terrible times and we knew it was all awful...." But this generation of Woke Puritans won't be able to do that, because every tweet, comment, video and thread is forever preserved on "their" own beloved media. Including yours!
joe mccarthy was a U.S senator.. HUAC was the HOUSE committee.. they werent the same.. why does every american get that wrong? god damn hollywood has been fucking brains for longer than most people realize..mccarthy was 90% right, anyhoo, america's institutions were infested with communists, it was revealed when the soviet union collapsed, and we got a look at the soviet union archives .. the problem is the inherent slippery slope of punishing people for ideology.. in the end its always better to defeat the ideology than punish the people.. after all, the true believers will destroy themselves as their ideology goes down.. plus its always better to know who your enemies are..
@@Wolffman109except McCarthy was right, and documents pulled up after the fall of the USSR proved that Russia had been dumping tons of money into funding a communist party in Hollywood.
You hit the nail on the head when you said it's not that hard to win over the fans as long as you show some respect and humility. I know many people who had no real interest in the sonic movie to begin with, even before the abysmal design was revealed. But, after the director and the studio agreed that they fucked up and went back to the drawing board, they earned a lot of respect and good will that actually caused many people to want to see it. It not only shows how they were capable of dealing with criticism, but how they actually do have enough respect for the IP to make it more recognizable when fans were feeling alienated. I honestly think Hollywood at large and Twitter hates sonic's success, because it is the variable that proves the rule. I remember how much salt there was with it coming out alongside birds of prey, and completely destroying it. Likely because it was a complete win for Fandoms in general who don't want their favorite IPs to be altered unnecessarily.
Hell yeah. The difference between Nolan and the hacks who buy up every comic book or 80's cartoon IP they can get their hands on, besides his overall film making prowess, is that he truly desired to make a Batman epic with passion. Batman was not a respected source material when he jumped at the chance to direct it in the early 2000's, but he knew it could be if given the proper treatment and taken seriously. This was at a time when the name was tainted by Joel Schumacher's Batman movies, so this was quite a risk. The people ruining these franchises in modern day are the opposite of risk-takers; they only touch old IP's that are guaranteed to make money. Nolan looked at the essentials of his source material, took us on a journey with Bruce Wayne to get to know him and understand his motivation behind everything, then topped it off with an awesome-looking Gothic landscape and intimidating villains. If you're JJ Abrams and all you care about is money, you have no motive to craft your own story or create a proper sense of adventure with pre-existing characters.
@@christopherregan1654 Yeah Casino Royale too. Batman Begins and Casino Royale were reboots done right. They delved deeper into the character’s psyche and told sophisticated and compelling stories. Nowadays, a reboot just means the property is getting woke. Hope the new Batman proves me wrong. Trailer looked amazing but we all know how misleading trailers can be…
It's a fascinating little literary footnote that in Tolkien's universe, Morgoth, and by extension Sauron, was unable to truly create. He could only leach his essence into the creatures and the world Iluvitar had made, infecting and corrupting them until they became just like him. Orcs, dragons, the foulnesses of Angband and Mordor, all once the work of an artist, now hollowed out into the hateful tools of a dead-hearted autocrat who could never imagine anything of his own. Just popped into my head after hearing about the upcoming Silmarillion TV series. Can't think why.
Though I know Tolkien never intended this, the story sounds like an allegory to the biblical Fall of Creation 🤔 It’d make for an interesting comparison.
Excellent comment, TGG. Just as an aside, while driving through a suburb of Los Angeles 3months ago, I saw a newish Ford Mustang GT in that textured flat black color, super tinted windows with aftermarket exhaust and lowered suspension bearing a retro Cal lic plate (black with orange letters) reading ANGMAR. As s Tolkien fan I was amazed.
I dont know, maybe because the Tolkein Society I think it was they are called is trying to argue for transgender inclusion and why it is mandatory to be trans inclusive in various pieces of Tolkeins work. And since they are a huge part of this TV series I would seriously keep my expectations low
Ominous voice: "THE MESSAGE!!!!" Lol love that part in these videos. I'm convinced that if Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson weren't being dumb , then Last Jedi would have made two billion just like its predecessor did. Always astonishes me how much money they are willing to lose to make something no one asked for
Sounds like Solo. The way I understand it is that Kathleen Kennedy wanted to see a Han Solo origin movie. No one else did. The fans didn't. Han didn't really need an origin movie. Among my friends, we didn't want a Han Solo origin movie. The trailers looked fine, but not enough to get me to the theaters when I could just wait for my library to get a copy on DVD a few months later.
"Always astonishes me how much money they are willing to lose" You stumbled to the core of the problem - they can't tell what could have been. So they can lie to themselves that the woke garbage was the best way to go.
Perfectly said. If something works, don't fix it. If you want to bring back an old franchise, make sure you follow the spirit of the original IP. If you want to send a new message, or idea, get creative and create something new and original, don't try to hijack something that was popular in the past.
I think that the people who "remake" the established franchise in their own image are the ones that are entitled. They feel entitled to the franchise and want to make it their own instead of respecting it or making something new.
Key examples would be Dave Filoni as a man who respects the source material of Star Wars whilst bringing something new. Anyone know of other such creative geniuses? Maybe I could be one for Samurai Jack with this fan made film I created-ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8fxv0OQPUtg.html
That's what I thought about the dark knight trilogy it already had an established universe and characters and as a real batman fan I didn't like those movies
The 2002 He-Man series was a great remake that died off far too early on. I believe I heard it even won awards of some type because of how well received it was, before getting cancelled because cartoon network is cartoon network.
Totally right. Superfans queuing up and spending top dollar for a cimena experience of a film that is from the offset pretty clear from trailers its not what you want to see, then getting annoyed.. seriously.. dont be duped. Let the trashy cash ins on previously great films bomb.. they would pretty soon get "The Message" and film executives would be driving for better scripts and concepts instead of just milking a gullible population.
This is why Kobrai Kai was so good: It was done right. It gave fans what they wanted. It took us back to characters as they should be and as they could be 20-30 years later. It respected the original material. It wasn't just a woke cash-grab. It was just good. It's sad that this really is the exception in 2021 rather than the rule. Great end point about Sonic by the way.
@@MrGregggleziii Yeah, but the show also makes fun of that stuff at the same time, usually via Johnny's character, so it gets away with it. And, yeah, a little bit more creeps in with each season, unfortunately, but I just finished season 4 and it was still a brilliant as ever, so I'll let them off. Hopefully it doesn't become too much and ruin the show for however long it's got left, but I do fear that a bit to be honest.
@@MrGregggleziii Well I disagree on that one, and I think most other people do too. Yeah, it has a little bit of pandering but none of it offensively so for me, and they do the rest well enough that they get away with it for me.
37 years after Back to the Future was released I still marvel at how wonderfully creative and free-flowing it is, yet tight and plausible, with just the right amount of doubt thrown in to keep you hooked until the final moments. Light, humorous and accessible to both children and adults, but also pushing some ethical questions which still hold up to this day. I love it to bits and always will. One of the best sci-fi movies ever? It has to be up there.
@@scottallison2296 I don't even know that she was unlikeable. Just a complete nothingburger of a character. A fanfic self insert whose only purpose was to be amazing at everything and win all the time. The strongest emotion she invokes in me is boredom.
You are right. Unfortunately its not exactly new, its taking what is beloved by fans, then morph it into something unrecognisable thats called a “sequel or reboot” and wonder why the original fans react poorly… To top it all off even blame the original fans for expecting something that atleast resembles the original. The gall of those original fans!
I can already think of one or two people I could play this for. Weighing up the risk vs benefit of them throwing a tantrum and permanently disavowing me.
@@need-to-know- They're not people I know 'personally', I admit. Online acquaintances in a nerd hobby that I was once heavily invested in, reconnected when I got back into the hobby during the pandemic. Then I discovered they had a strong streak of wokeness in them. They have a youtube livestream on Friday nights, last night they spent the first 20-30 minutes praising MotU Revelation and scorning 'entitled manbabies'. Not the first time they've done that, specifically with Smith's MotU. I have to quietly dip out until they talk about actual hobby stuff. It's a pity because they're otherwise easy to get on with, on places like instagram where meandering blather is cut short. Speaking of meandering blather: wrote a bit more than I intended, there. But bah, youtube comments on videos like this are one of the few online places I can vent with likeminded non-SJWs.
No matter what flaws the Sonic movie has, at least the creative team listened and tried to do justice to the fans. People respect people who admit they were wrong and try to change it by listening rather than people like the Cowboy Bebop team who lashed out at the fans. Regardless of the problems I have with the Sonic movies, they're at least fucking trying to do its fans justice.
Knowing that the producers had actually listened to fan response actually heightened my enjoyment of the film. Objectively I know it was hardly the best film ever made, but because of knowing that it was made by people who care about their IP, subjectivity I really enjoyed it. A sort of placebo effect for a movie.
@@MagcargoMan Did anyone say the film was masterpiece? It's not. The point being made is that they heard the feedback, applied it and now look where they've gone. The point is the fans don't have to be the enemy. Not that Sonic is a hidden masterpiece.
These where time ago. and now, In early 2010. ecchi and fan services or female character wearing more skimpy clothes that more problematic in west because of “me too movement” and sjw. They can even censored, desexualised, put more clothes to cover naughty part or ban games or film all together.
@Quân Trương true, but they are still censored in the west. hell, even pokemon had some of their female characters censored, and shows with a lot of ecchi are no exception. why do you think the blue-ray versions are so sought after?
"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you wanna sell it." ~ Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park (1993)
It's gotten so bad now, that a perfectly average movie like Sonic the Hedgehog, that actually listened to fans by fixing Sonic's look and had zero wokeness in it, is seen as revolutionary.
Exactly, almost as if the terrible trailer/original design was premeditated to distract everyone from how mediocre the film is, fix or no fix I'm pretty sure the reception and box office returns won't be as big as it was if there is no controversy in the first place
@@tedjomuljono3052 I don't think Paramount is in the financial position to pull something that expensive off. An animated studio had to be shut down, and it added $5 million or so to their budget. Video game movies were an almost guaranteed failure before then, so adding a gamble to an almost certain flop is something a studio would almost never consider, let alone implement.
yeah, and after they listened to the fans, the movies was a massive hit, i know a lot of people that said they went to see the sonic movie, not becauses they were interested, but because they listened to the fans and did the work to make it right. per a google search: This year's Sonic the Hedgehog film was one of the final blockbuster movies released in theatres before the COVID-19 shutdown. The movie was a big success, surpassing Detective Pikachu to become the highest-grossing video game movie of all-time in the United States.
@@pepperedash4424 there needs to be proof tho, they should release the Ugly Sonic cut if it actually existed, i still believed the only ones they made was for that one trailer only, the "good sonic" either already made beforehand or nothing aside from placeholders were in the movie when it comes to Sonic himself at that point
The one of the reasons why the original Spider-Man movie trilogy is so great and beloved by many is because Sam Raimi was a dedicated fan of the character so he knew the absolute ins and outs of what a Spider-Man story should be. And it worked.
What is missing is the character arc of original characters arriving in the now. What is missing in the Western everyday is capable, solid, poised, wise elders. I loved your fixing of Luke Skywalker. You demonstrate the point beautifully.
The Drinker said himself, The Mask Of Zorro is a perfect example of a good reboot, there's a new Zorro, but Diego de La Vega is still the original Zorro and they show him the respect he deserves
I love that film. I also like The Count Of Monte Cristo 2002 version. I have read the book as a kid, and seen the 1975 film. I am dreading that they decide to remake Cutthroat Island. That film is stupid, but I love it. 😂
@@bibishakikunioteko9945 Fifth element is the most ridiculous film I have seen, but I bloody love it. It doesn't take itself seriously. It is just fun to watch with someone. 😂
What breaks my heart is that, despite the number of people who are tired of this spiteful method of movie production growing, there's still so many people who are mindlessly consuming products and giving these studios profits. I just wish some of the regular human beings (basically anyone not on Twitter) would wake up and realize that these studios see us as walking money bags.
Feels like the general audience is either in denial, or too ignorant to learn about anything before their own time... Or maybe don't speak English... (that's not a racist dig at anyone. I've been known to watch flashy stupid stuff if I can't tell that the words are ridiculously stupid.) - Kind of the reason why I think SSSniperwolf has so many followers.
But to be fair even those people eventually wake up and smell the BS, I mean Star Wars was absolutely dying by the time Rise rolled off the assembly line, it made money sure but not enough to satisfy the pigs in the trough over at Disney and the merchandise which as a wise Mel Brooks so eloquently put is "where the real money from the movie is made," sat and collected dust on the shelf. My point is those people take longer but eventually they figure it out too.
You could be bleeding to death, collapsed in front of a glass restaurant and majority of the customers would only stare at you while drinking Thier coffee. Majority of the world's populace just don't care, anything that's not convenient to them isn't worth the effort.
Thank you for defending the Star Trek IP. I know it's a hopeless cause at this point, but at least I know I'm not crazy for thinking modern Star Trek sucks.
@@JustTooDamnHonest Excellent point mate. Then factor in that back in the day "movies" and "political movies" were two entirely different experiences. One was soley intended to entertain the majority through such simple yet timeless tropes as "good vs evil" or "boy meets girl", and the other being a production which does not hide the fact that the plot/theme is promoting or criticising a particular agenda. Nowadays almost every production contains an agenda which is either pushed onto the mainstream audience by the writers and producers in order "educate" them , or the whole project has been created to ingratiate the writers and producers et al with their fellow "activist elite" and the (totally unbiased) reviewers who's Rotten Tomatoes score often dwarfs that of the Audience Score. The Lesbian "Masturbaters of the Uterus" is a perfect example of the above, irrespective of how much Smith denies it.
@@residentelect I still remember when Kevin Smith wasn't getting any work and he was crying his ass off to the point where it was getting sad and when he finally landed an IP it was He-Man and all the proof was out there that he wasn't the man for the job and when Masters of the Universe R came out well it was at you said the Lesbian Masturbaters of the Uterus". Which under different like if it was a Hentai parody then that would be something else. But yes there was a time when Hollywood poked fun at certain subject matters because it was funny or something that was to be laughed at and if we were at war we would make war movies(like back during WW2 they would have commercials that would inform us on the war and what we could do to up support it)
@@JustTooDamnHonest The Lord forbid! If Hollywood 🌟 these days would show a woman/ Wife "on-screen" (without a S¡Mp/βeta male by her side) cooking, cleaning, or preparing a home craft for her family? It's an absolute "Mortal Sin" to show a woman on-screen "catering" to her "man" outside of it just being a sexual activity? And.. She'd better be on "top"_ because, we must politically correctly be sure to indicate that she Is Not being r@ped!? I could go on with more of today's Hollywood hypocrisy of Fem-gynθ Pop-Culturalism Media Propaganda. But, I think you should be starting to get the "real" picture of "reality" which I'm attempting to convey? I'm sure that most women, especially those blinded & fully indoctrinated by fem¡n¡st ideology, thoroughly enjoy today's modern-day "man-bashing" programming! Most people these days, women or men, don't even care to take notice of the BullSh¡t 📺/🎥 they're watching & consuming everyday?!!..
@@residentelect The Brave New World of Fem-Pop-culture propaganda messages aren't always out there in your face? They are most often subliminal. A whole lot of "just under the surface" man-bashing TV & movie programming that many people don't even notice or don't care to recognize the garbage false massages that's being put out? The TV father is Always a deadbeat, or he's "abusive", he's manipulative_ taking advantage, or he's a cheating dog! The "superhero" girlfriend or mom always has to fight against his idiocy or aggression? Yip, this is a most realistic impression of how most men are in the world! As a young girl/woman or boy/man, this is just perfect! What are they supposed to think_ constantly being💣bombarded with this?! Yeah, this is exactly what we need to see 👀 a lot more of ?? I'm not talking ✍ so much about the fictional movies & shows that just happen to "every now & then" depict a positive "manly" male figure in their show? You see 👀 we're watching fiction, we know that's not "real" anyway?! Today_ when "real-life" Drama movies, Sit-coms, Talk shows, or whatever_ does show character depictions of a halfway decent positive male role model, he's (not always) but usually a guy that's weak, got no backbone, and lacks leadership assertiveness? But, he's such a fun guy to be around! He's our shining example of a "good man"..?! The Lord forbid! If Hollywood 🌟these days would show a woman/ Wife "on-screen" (without a S¡Mp/βeta male by her side) cooking, cleaning, or preparing a home craft for her family? It's an absolute "Mortal Sin" to show a woman on-screen "catering" to her "man" outside of it just being a sexual activity? And.. She'd better be on "top"_ because, we must politically correctly be sure to indicate that she Is Not being r@ped!? I could go on with more of today's Hollywood hypocrisy of Fem-gynθ Pop-Culturalism Media Propaganda. But, I think you should be starting to get the "real" picture of "reality" which I'm attempting to convey? I'm sure that most women, especially those blinded & fully indoctrinated by fem¡n¡st ideology, thoroughly enjoy today's modern-day "man-bashing" programming! Most people these days, women or men, don't even care to take notice of the BullSh¡t 📺/🎥 they're watching & consuming everyday?!!..
That one Darth Vader scene of him absolutely destroying rebels in Rogue had more Fan Service than the whole of Force Awakens Trilogy combined, we saw it once again in Mandalorian final episode with Luke absolutely shatting on Techno Droids. It's the little things like that you need to make your og fans happy.
The "Back to the Future" comment really sums up a lot of the problems for me. You have these people that want to share 'the message' or whatever stance they have. However, they keep trying to show through older, established, franchises and re-imaginings. Here's my cycle for that. 1. They want to spread 'the message'. 2. They're too lazy/unimaginative to create their own platform to spread it. 3. They see a franchise that's popular, which they probably only vaguely know. 4. They get onboard, write something, and assume 'the message' will shield them from backlash. 5. It doesn't. 6. They lash out at the fans because they don't want to be called out for their flaws, and learn nothing. 7. Repeat.
Why does anybody pay for Netflix? I'm not saying i steal it, I'm saying I don't have it, probably never will, and I just ignore Netflix, knowing I'm not missing out on anything.
@@rageagaintstheNWO the message of the left. The political message and culture they are trying to cultivate in the long-run. You need to understand that these people don’t want your money or respect. They want to create a narrative that will last a lifetime. A political machine that starts with the youngest. Our children and their children after them.
@@robertmaybeth3434 well I think it does produce a lot of good content. He-man is garbage and so is that star trek show but for every one show they make that I hate, there's another show I do like which is produced
Being WOKE is a great excuse for Hollywood. It allows them to overlook bad writing, bad acting, bad directing bad producing, bad bad bad. Pay no attention to the crap behind the curtain..Only pay attention to THE MESSAGE!
Some idiots are shallow enough that they look at diversity as important an element in a movie or show as story or acting. Their disease ridden brains trick them into mistaking woke messaging and diversity casting for actual quality.
The moment where you talked about actually communicating with the fan base I had horrible flashbacks to when Rafe Judkins tweeted about his upcoming destruction of Wheel of Time by telling the fans "This is the last, sweet year you all can enjoy it before the Wheel of Time tv show ruins the thing you love most." And he fucking meant it.
Here is a thought. Star Trek TNG was hated by the fan base in 1986 because it did not have the original crew. Yet, it has become a beloved part of the Star Trek canon since. It is understandably difficult to restart an IP and to give it a direction that the fan base will appreciate, while still holding to the expectations of said fan base. The challenge is to keep the IP fresh and interesting, without going to the tropes of "the message" that you have pointed out.
And then there's "Galaxy Quest"- a "homage" to the Star Trek series that isn't Star Trek yet is cherished by the fan base and considered one of the best modern Star Trek movies...
No, they are not surprised. This is all intentional to break us down and make people submissive so that they continue to consume products mindlessly. They're far more insidious than "accidentally" making something woke garbage that'll upset real fans.
I blame the fans because here's the thing the fans don't make their voices louder about these things. For example the three previous Star wars movies how many times did we give Star wars a chance to redeem themselves after the first new one? But we still want to go see the second one and the third one. After that we did not call for Catherine Kennedy to be fired in a mass protest.. so if we don't protest them then they won't make the changes that we want them to make
At this stage, the test marketers HAVE to not be expecting a different result. They are fully expecting it. The fact that they plunge forward regardless has to have a larger reason behind it.
2:15: Why does he make a List but excludes Pokemon. Pokemon is literally in the identical same Boat. Theres basically other 'Drinkers' that talk about Pokemon like Critical Drinker talks about Doctor Who and Star Trek. Its extremly similar, if not identical. ???
The reason is cultural control (control culture and you control politics). The left never gives up control. They'd rather burn everything to the ground first. Expect no change. It's not about money now.
This video could, taken seriously by writers, allow young upstarts to completely destroy Hollywood. Even as a humble Gamemaster, I can understand the wisdom of actually asking your customer what they want.
"Why do you resist? We only wish to raise quality of life, for all species." "I like my 'species' the way it is!" "A narrow vision." - Locutus of Hollywood Collective
"This conman took away my pain." "Damn it Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with the wave of a magic wand! They're the things we carry with us, they're the things that make us who we are! If we lose them we lose ourselves. *I don't want my pain taken away I need my pain.* -Captain Kirk Replace "Pain" with "Experiences" as of the OG context or "Franchise" for more of the meme and you get the idea.
Kirk (speaking for fandom): "(Open) about what? That our society has made wrong choices in the past? That we turned left when we should have turned right? We know what our weaknesses are, we don't need Hollywood to take us on a tour of them. "Damn it, Hollywood, you're creators. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a reboot and a recast. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. We don't want our pain taken away! We need our pain! "
What I've always said is that power doesn't corrupt, it tempts. It shows you easy ways of getting "gain without pain" by forcing the pain onto others instead. Ultimately, the decision to be corrupted is your own.
Power makes the powerful one stupid or allows them to get away with being stupid, but many people are so enamored by the power that they either don’t recognize or just ignore the stupidity and follow along. It’s a crazy world.
Calvin Coolidge, George Washington, Frederick the Great, Diocletian, and Solomon are great examples of powerful men who weren't "absolutely" corrupted by that power.
Oh that's so fukkin profound. But only if you're too stoopid to understand that an aphorism isn't likely to be buttressed by a load of ifs and buts and whys and wherefores. Jesus Christ.......
@@peterembranch5797 Which is why aphorisms are stupid. The world is all about its and buts, and living your life by absolute statements means being wrong a lot.
The reference to Rimmer of Red Dwarf earned my like and subscription. I also just watched 4 hours of your content instead of "working from home" while I'm quarantined and it has totally made my week, and it is Tuesday.
Absolutely right. Well said, sir. Fans are almost always written off as cranks and weirdos by people who conveniently forget that it's the fans who pay them their wages and allow them to have their careers.
The problem with these modern reboots, remakes, and reimaginings is that they are all being written and produced by the same people who wrote those bizarre erotic fanfictions back in the day and not by serious writers who have a grasp of storytelling.
I think its the exact opposite. These reboots are written and produced by committees and executives who are trying to appeal to broadest possible audience instead of by people who are passionate and want to make something interesting. The kids writing weird fanfiction today are the people who write all the cool shit in the future when they grow up.
@@BandacootK13 I disagree. It isn't the broad audience who demands strong female space jesus etc. It's a small (but hugely vocal) group of well-intentioned, horribly ignorant Twitter sophomores. That's why these movies have such a bad reception with the broad audience.
I love and respect you Drinker, our views on this issue are perfectly aligned. The Back To The Future analogy hit the nail on the head dude. Stay honest 👌✌️
The problem with consulting the fans is that purveyors of The Message either feel that everyone wants and is happy to hear/support The Message and they do not need to consult the fans, or they feel that the people that don't appreciate The Message are not worthy enough to ask their opinion and they are the ones that will benefit the most from hearing The Message.
They remind me of the mindset of the pimps...er...dancers... in the gentleman's clubs. They consider the money in the pocket of their tricks...er...fans...THEIR money...and have the same respect for their clients. None whatsoever.
Common sense is like deodorant the people who need it most, almost never use it. +Tradition is the illusion of permanence. + Life used to imitate art, now it imitates bad entertainment. +Trying to brainwash us to accept a failed corrupt ideology.
no i don´t think so, if this would be the case they would give the fans what they want. Today it seems they are willing to loose there money for bringing the "right" message to the people aka preaching there ideology. This is what you get if you replace creative people with political activists.
I learned from Luke Skywalker that being a man means more than kicking ass and takin’ names, it means being wise, compassionate, and forgiving. What the hell kind of lesson is my little girl supposed to learn from Rey? “Don’t screw up, baby girl, girls are supposed to be perfect - and put some more sass in it!”
The hell you need to learn about Rey in general? She’s a flawless character that can do anything. Luke becomes likeable character because of his struggle againts the antagonist or dire situations
What a typical toxic male. Let me SJW-splain you. Rey is part of The Message, she isn't a Mary Sue. She's crushing the nards of the patriarchy! #timesup you privileged cis male! It's time for stunning and brave wahmanz! I think I hit all the key talking points - I hope the sarcasm didn't ooze through your monitor and melt it lol.
Original Star Wars Trilogy: the story of a young man's desire to fight evil and find his place in the universe, that then evolves into the story of a son's desperate journey to save his father's soul from eternal darkness. Modern Hollywood: Well we'll need to fix that shit won't we?
The main lesson I learned from Rey is when an evil sith lord murders the only father figure you've ever had in cold blood before your very eyes, it's perfectly reasonable to kinda fall in love with him in 1 film's time because he took his shirt off and zoomed you.
A great example of a constructive engaging with the audience is Peter Jackson's work on Lord of The Rings, where entire sequences of Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep were thrown away after fans' backlash.
The Sonic Movie was the perfect example. It was a reboot/retelling of the story that was done in the proper spirit and with respect that, when the fans were listened to, paid off. They even ended the movie with a bit of fanservice by throwing Tails in there, who himself has a HUGE fanbase to make people drool and want more.
And also, Jeff Fowler responded in a very calm and mature fashion. Not crying bigotry or entitlement, and instead hearing us out and promising a change. And despite the mainstream media calling us out for "toxicity", we were so happy with what he did, we not only went to watch the movie, but made it one of the biggest hits of 2020 (pre-pandemic).
Terry Pratchett had this right: "When I started writing my market was spotty 13 year old Kevin. Well, Kevin's grown up now, and he has kids of his own. And I want Kevin _and_ his kids to enjoy my books."
I miss him so much, it strange to say this cause I never really knew the guy personally but I know him through his book, he is (in my opinion) one of the best writer out there ❤️
A good example of an IP respecting its fans is in the My Little Pony universe. When FiM came out and it suddenly garnered a whole group of older male fans, normally the creators would look at them and be pretty weirded out by the fact that they even exist, but Hasbro acknowledged that they existed and in one particular episode entitled "Slice of Life", decided to take a whole bunch of fan content and theories and make them canon in the show itself. Fans think one background character is an incarnation of The Doctor. That's now canon. A cello player and a crazy DJ are actually besties in real life? They are now revealed to be roommates. Listen to your fans, and your stock will always be going up.
It's hilarious that Hollywood takes the moral high ground with it's fans negative reactions to its activities, as if we've all forgotten that little scandal with Harvey Weinstein et al was on their watch.
those who most loudly proclaim their virtue always do so to hide the darkest shadows real virtue is not something that is proclaimed. No idea how this simple truth is lost on so many.
I love that the whole world has turned into rich people telling poor people that they're wrong! Justified by the most vocal minority in the history of society!!
That's kind of how it has always been lol. Like most revolutions in history were started by the rich and educated classes. The poor or working class revolutions were a minority.
This story isn't about drama, but it is a 13:06 story about TV. In 2000 when I was still at the BBC as a music TV producer. George Harrison died and I was given the job of making a tribute doc in 4 weeks. I know absolutely everything there is to know about the Beatles and I was a good choice for the producer. However, internal politics of the department demanded that I had to have an executive producer and researchers from whoever was already there. I said argued that I knew lots of dedicated Beatles fans "we've only got a few weeks to turn this around. Let's get them in instead." I was given a young lad as researcher, and he said "The Beatles - they're the ones who did yesterday, right?' The exec producer knew nothing either. So that left me as a person who was an expert on thr subject, fighting his entire production team, his entire staff, and what I'd already gone before, just to produce something that fellow Beatle fans would've respected. Now imagine the Star Wars version of me sitting in those reboot development meetings.
I think what bothers me, and probably a LOT of other people, about how the Star Wars sequels treated Luke Skywalker is that Luke was an extremely progressive hero to begin with. Luke was introduced in an era where the vast majority of male heroes were either hulking towers of muscle or grim dark Dirty Harry types who used brute strength and violence to defeat their enemies. But that wasn't the case with Luke. Luke was an average flawed kid from nowhere who went on an epic journey of glory, suffering and learning to become a mature, capable man and hero. Despite his great powers, it was Luke's compassion and sense of goodness that helped him save the day, not violence or brute strength. There was no hero quite like him in cinema- the pinnacle of the Truly Good Kind Hero. Flash forward a few decades later, and it's clear that the people who wrote the sequels either A) didn't watch the originals B) were drunk and high when they watched the originals or c) didn't understand or give a shit about the originals. They just decided, "Well, he's a famous male hero, so clearly we can make him grim dark like we do all the others, in order to replace him with a more 'progressive' hero." Of course, with the ironic result being that their so-called progressive hero is an impossibly perfect beautiful stereotype (the exact opposite of progressive) that neither women nor men can relate to and the actual progressive hero, Luke Skywalker, being dragged through the mud.
Hollywood has devolved back into the bad old days of the Hayes Code where everything has to follow a bunch of morality rules. Weirdest part is this new code took one of the worst parts of the Hayes Code- villains can never win- and dialed it up to 11 to where villains can't even be decently powerful, threatening opponents because the "hero" is a wildly overpowered Mary Sue.
@@mikea.6121 To a point, constraints requires more creativity from producer and audience - being aware of their existance - is more perceptive. See how stand up and comedic culture had taken a dive in communist block after the fall of communism.
@@mikea.6121 Because creative artists made do. These hacks lack creativity even with absolute freedom now. To be fair, the Contraints did force people to get creative.
It's not really "villains can't be decent threats", it's more about obvious double standards that turn men into acceptable laughingstocks forbidden to shine on screen and women into flawless beings that should never lose to a man. Drinker mentions it in his "What happened to our villains?" video. What kind of creativity remains when you're forced to be utterly predictable?
Yeah it’s almost like a story that honors the original and expands and shows another adventure for a hero to go on and learn more about himself and grow as a human being and a man is such a bad thing to do nowadays. Could’ve been a good chance to reach out to young men and help them learn principles and values but nah.
They should learn from movies like Sonic. No fans shouldn't control the entire aspect of it. But if they all say that something is shit, you should probably listen. Fans are more likely trying to help so that they can have the best possible product.
One of the reasons is that they think this is we're ALL in Twitter and they think that SJW feedback are us getting offended. (I just omitted HR and based CEOs retiring and giving the SJW daughter/son the reins).
holy crap this is one of the most thoughtful and sharp rants i've ever heard about the current trend of franchisepocalypses, and barely even criticizing 'the message'. it runs much deeper than that. keep drinking, mate!
2:15: Why does he make a List but excludes Pokemon. Pokemon is literally in the identical same Boat. Theres basically other 'Drinkers' that talk about Pokemon like Critical Drinker talks about Doctor Who and Star Trek. Its extremly similar, if not identical. ???
Reminds me of this epic quote: "DOOM's fans, they are not like Disney fans. If DOOM fans don't like what you've done, they'll burn your house down" - Mick Gordon
The last time I remember writers actually listening to the fan base was with Star Trek: Enterprise. Season 1 had a lot of faults, but Season 2 was vastly improved, primarily because of fan input.
"Give the customers what THEY want, not what YOU want." That's a pretty simple concept, really. And it's worked well for both the customers and the businesses that understood the concept for generations. Why is it so impossible for the studios to understand that today? It's a real shame. Everybody loses indeed.
Honestly I both agree and disagree with the statement, that sounds like pandering to me, in context of this video I can see why but should the artist not decide what they wish to do? No studio message, no forced fan service but legit artist merit, even if its bad if it comes from the artist I'm willing to give it a chance ya know. For good or for ill I don't wanna be pandered to, I don't wanna be told what to feel, I want the artist to create his artwork and let me see it, I'll judge that for myself.
its not how movies were intended originally though....its YOUR premise YOUR vision that represents whatever media...movies arent meant to make money they are meant to portray the realism the director is going for. if that means it is anti what have you then so be it....they fail miserably but the viewers benefit from the morality. such is the way of moving pictures.
Seriously, does Ben and Jerry's or Hershey or Coke or any consumable product decide, let's make something that tastes like shit and if people don't like it, oh, well? Um...no.
Because we are at war where it is the rulers vs the public. Before, movie makers could make what they wanted b/c the goals of the rulers were focused on war with other countries like the middle east. But now they have their sights set on us. And so, their intention is to destroy us and one of the many tools they use to do that is to destroy the very things we care about in life. IPs like Star Trek that demonstrate a peaceful world simply are not allowed as it is not in the rulers' benefit. They will continue to destroy our favourite IP's at the expense of profit b/c profit isn't their goal. Our destruction is their goal so they can remake the economy - the Great Reset.
This is like frankenstein, trying revive a person somebody loves only to become a horrendous soulless abomination and also kills the one responsible for it.
Just say "NO MORE SEQUELS" and back it up with your money. Sooner or later, Hollywood's cash infusions from political hacks will run out, and Indie films will be able to take over the market.
I stumbled upon this guy recently, and this one is pure genius! Not to mention he’s hilarious, and appreciate his anti-woke viewpoint. I have shared a lot of his observations of what is wrong with Hollywood lately.
What's really sad is that Kevin started out as Mr. Rebel-indie-guy. Working outside the system, constantly mocking it. Then he actually became everything he hated, just another peon in the system. It's so cliche but it's true.
How do you think he got Clerks 3 🤮 green lit? "Destroy that monomyth Kevin". Kevin's now on my shit list of avoidable creatures. It's a long list and getting longer giggity.
he has always been a loser... I've been saying it for years. just because he was popular in the 90s people followed him like lemmings and now that he has made it to the cliff he's upset no one wants to jump off with him
Exactly, every revolution I've ever read about through history DID NOT GO WELL, and just ended up making everybody miserable and everything worse. The only exception is the wrongly named American revolution, because it was more of a rebellion than a revolution.
Probably the best anylsis and breakdown of current woke Hollow Wood that i have seen. I dabled in writing in college. I'm in my 60s now and seriously considering buying a laptop and learning to write screenplays, comics and shory stories. Anything to combat "THE MESSAGE".
I remember a long time ago I used to be excited to go to the cinema, now I visit less frequently and generally have very low expectations so I don't get too disappointed.
@@colingznetworkplus4618 instead of blackwashing an already existing fleshed-out character exclusively for woke points, create your own movie with unique characters to convey your message.
One other thing to note: For those concerned with the means of cultural production, remakes also allow for the pollution of cultural touchstones. Remember Star Wars? It used to be something unifying in our cultural zeitgeist. Now it's divisive. You bring up Star Wars? You now have to specify whether you mean New Star Wars, or Old Star Wars. The old touchstone is now tarnished, and contains something inherently divisive.
Damn I am just finding your channel! Where have ya been all my life bro! Finally someone is adequately expressing my frustration of this fast food approach consumption of modern entertainment!
The only Disney Star Wars movie that amounts to anything is Rogue One. The rebels died heroes deaths. The plans got delivered. A continuation to a storyline. I remember feeling actual goose bumps watching Vader being a real Sith.
Even Rogue One is compromised beyond repair. It's a vestige of an early idea, where each of the main characters would become the "Knights of Ren". If you look at the weapons, they match up. There were to be several "Rogue" movies. But then Captain Stupid and JJ Can't-Finish gleefully shit in the sandbox, and here we are. And screw Rogue One anyway, for implying that Luke used a built-in design flaw to destroy the Death Star.
The novelization was great, too. I was a bit whelmed after the first viewing. Then I read the book and saw it again and that combo completely won me over. My fave SW movie now.
Rogue one is pure rubbish, they destroyed all the canon to make another film with another strong female lead character, the story about how the rebels got their hands on the Death Star's plans was written before, if you play X Wing you may learn a bit of it, what Disney did with it was to destroy it to give us another girl power film, fuck off
Imagine if Disney took the time to take elements of the Star Wars Expanded Universe, and incorporated them to tv shows and movies, instead of literally throwing them aside to tell their bastardized fan fictions. They wouldn’t have to worry about the Star Wars community being so divisive because it has stories for everyone. Instead of the sequel trilogies, they could’ve used plot points for shadows of the empire, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the mandolorian wars, the sith wars, stories about The Old Republic, and so on. They could’ve really made something special instead we got Rey Palpatine parading around as a Skywalker smh.
Kathleen Kennedy did worse than just ignoring the Expanded Universe. She stated with a straight face that it doesn't exist. "Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be."
@@MundaneGray Where and when did she say that? But yeah, they should have planned out a full 3-movie story for the Sequel Trilogy before filming began, and if they needed a GOOD idea for the general plot, they could have easily borrowed the broad-strokes of the books and comics after RotJ: flip the script of the Original Trilogy and have the New Republic on the rise as the legitimate Galactic power and put what's left of the Empire on the backfoot.
@@louisduarte8763 That quote is from a Rolling Stone interview published November 19, 2019. And they HAD a full 3-movie story for the Sequel Trilogy. George Lucas had already outlined it before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. Kennedy's people looked at his story treatments, said "Nah," and tossed them aside, apparently thinking that they could do Star Wars better than the man who created it.
