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Home Shop Rifling - Part 2 

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Check out Rifling Part 3!! • Home Shop Rifling THRE...
I recorded and edited the majority of this video 14 months ago, but rifling buttons in the marketplace have gone through a huge change. So some of the information is outdated but there is good stuff in there as well so I decided to share. People keep asking why heat treat before rifling. Didn't think I had room to address it here but here it is! A good barrel needs to be strong and tough. 4140 or 4150 steel at Rc 28-32 is a good hardness range. While being harder/stronger makes it harder for the button to go through because it takes more force to swage the rifling into the steel, the increased hardness also reduces the friction between the button and the steel and makes it easier to go through. But in the contest between reduced friction and increased force for swaging, I think the latter wins. But so what? It's a bit harder to push the button through but who cares? The machine doesn't care and the button survives just fine, and in the end you have a good, strong, tough barrel. Another HUGE reason is the tendency of the button to pick up steel from the bore if it's not strong enough. It involves coefficients of friction and normal forces, and is a little technical. Another issue with doing the hardening after? The main reason is that heat treating a barrel requires taking it to 1550 deg. F and more, and then quenching. Then tempering at around 1200 deg. F. Good luck maintaining that beautiful bore you just rifled after a process like that! And good luck keeping it straight! The other main reason for not heat treating after rifling is that all that strain-hardened surface the bore had from the button rifling process is now gone, stress-relieved during the heat soak at 1550 deg. It's been said that the surface of the bore has been measured to as high as nearly Rc 60, and that's in a barrel that's around Rc 30! A bullet traveling through a bore that hard will experience MUCH reduced friction over something even in the Rc 30 range. And you've got a bore that will be extremely wear resistant. There are some other minor reasons but I've written enough! ;-)

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@jonathanwilliams4348
@jonathanwilliams4348 5 лет назад
Serbu is a funny guy, a crazy genius, and an all around asset to the Freedom of all US citizens. Try to support this fine American in any way you can!
@unitedwallsystem2941
@unitedwallsystem2941 3 года назад
I love your videos. I mean no offense, here, you're a smart guy, - you have awesome stage presence, you could be on TV, your personality is awesomely cool humor, and you are very easy to watch & listen to. I love how you comment on the different processes of each step, of what you're doing. You are a blast to watch, & you make me feel in a good mood, thank you. Mike
@markserbu
@markserbu 3 года назад
Thanks for the kind words!
@EdwinSarkissian
@EdwinSarkissian 5 лет назад
Mark my only question is if that was synthetic oil or was it a blend ?
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
It's a special blend called PersiArmeniMex. Kind of like your channel. :-D
@lawrencejones5640
@lawrencejones5640 3 года назад
I worked for a while as a blacksmith, I'm one of the few who can appreciate the heat coming out of that kiln. A treasure in winter, a terror in summer.
@JS-xi5nk
@JS-xi5nk 2 года назад
Much agreed!
@josephgilliand4
@josephgilliand4 5 лет назад
"Don't try this at home! Do it at your friend's house"
@user-ej4eq5im4r
@user-ej4eq5im4r 3 года назад
Man says truth...
@HammondArmory
@HammondArmory 2 года назад
"I'm going to go get drunk or something" Best way to make a bad day better!
@Tunkkis
@Tunkkis 5 лет назад
In Finland we have a word for extremely troublesome and such things like this, which I personally like very much: "Vittusaatana".
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
@@Tunkkis Nice, I like it! Thanks!
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 3 года назад
"I'm going to get drunk or something, this is just terrible" Mark Serbu's: All Time Best Quotes
@jonlewman8673
@jonlewman8673 3 года назад
When quenching a barrel I would suggest vertical entry and agitation rather than horizontal. Watch how a knife blade is done. When you submerge horizontal like that and agitate the way you did you cause pockets on the back side of your movement as well as the fluid gassing. This will cause the leading edge to cool faster and can greatly increase the amount of distortion you get from heat treatment. Great Video
@goneballistic
@goneballistic 4 года назад
Thank you for recording these. They have inspired me! to buy like, 10 extra barrels of every caliber I own so I NEVER have to do this myself.Ever.
@machinemaker2248
@machinemaker2248 3 года назад
Thank you for including the mistakes and whatnot. Everyone else makes a 30 minute video of the conclusion after days of failure, giving an unrealistic representation and expectation to the viewer.
@dr.stiffsock3662
@dr.stiffsock3662 4 года назад
This is the most entertaining channel I've ever came across its full of danger and comedy
@donbeeastatist1222
@donbeeastatist1222 3 года назад
You have a new customer! I LOVE the true American style! It really doesn't have to be fancy or pretty even precise, it just has to work! As a mechanic, the most important tool I have in my box is my air hammer. It's not the proper tool for any job really, but it works for almost every job.
@LongFacedBastard
@LongFacedBastard 3 года назад
A man of culture 1312
@eugenenault4935
@eugenenault4935 5 лет назад
I had a good laugh watching this video, reminded me of the older Saturday night live days of belly laughter. Loved your video,entertaining as all hell.
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
Loved the original SNL...watched it from 1978 until it got shitty. Don't remember what year that was.
@jong2359
@jong2359 5 лет назад
Mark, you are to America what Baguette is to France, Maple syrup to Canada, or Demonetization to RU-vid. Thank you for existing and giving us a glimpse into your daily operations through RU-vid!
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
Ha, if only that were true. Seeing stuff like that liberal a-hole going nuts in the vape shop the other day makes me glad I'm as old as I am. I think this country is going the way of the whole world...in a very bad direction.
@jong2359
@jong2359 5 лет назад
@@markserbu Too true, unfortunately. There are too many god damn people in not enough square miles, and society is breaking down.
@mre.w.2850
@mre.w.2850 5 лет назад
@@markserbu agreed it's all going to shit, what juice are you running on the vape ??
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
I don't vape...was talking about the video that's all over the internet right now. Google: crazy vape shop employee
@mre.w.2850
@mre.w.2850 5 лет назад
@@markserbu haha yea saw that yesterday "do my bidding" liberals are complete nutjobs
@westwaylokote13
@westwaylokote13 5 лет назад
Royal nonesuch style haha I love it he’d be proud
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 5 лет назад
Just a thought, if you are going to rifle after heat treatment you may want to consider an intercritical heat treatment, sometimes referred to as an intercritical anneal. It will give way, so to speak, much easier thereby reducing the load on the tool while at the same time eliminating the tempering cycle. You do not end up with 100 percent martensite but that is not always necessary. In any event, happy new year to you and yours.
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
Hadn't heard of intercritical heat treatment but I'll look into it, thanks. Happy New Year!
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 5 лет назад
markserbu It has been used for a long time in other fields. For instance, when the gas crisis hit in the 1970's auto manufacturers had to reduce weight and the thick gauge sheet steel used for the body panels was reduced significantly. They needed to maintain strength for energy absorption and first tried fully hardened (martensitic) sheet steel but found that due to the springback/elasticity of the material the bends and corners did not maintain their shape due to the high elasticity of a fully martensitic structure. Basically the shut lines on the panels would rub together as they moved back once out of the dies. They then decided to go to intercritical steels which had the strength required while maintaining their shape perfectly. As the name implies the material is not heated to the full hardening temperature instead are hardened to a temperature just below that. Specifically between Ac1 and Ac3. The end result is that instead of having the entire material hardened (martensitic) you end up with martensitic 'islands' in a sea of softer ferrite. The result of which is a more malleable material as the soft ferrite yields to the harder spots without wanting to springback. Hardening temps would be in the 1,380 to 1,470 (F) for 4140. The nice part is that you end up with hardnesses in the mid 30's without having to temper afterwards as the soft 'ocean' of ferrite arrests crack propogation. Nevertheless you could rifle before hardening with copious amounts of oil and then harden. Try that first as hardening afterwards would have the ID grow by 1 or 2 ten-thousands which is of no consequence. Later.
@cdeichhorn
@cdeichhorn 5 лет назад
Thanks Mark for sharing. I enjoy watching all your videos!
@johna6442
@johna6442 5 лет назад
Mark please show us how to make a rifling button out of a piece of drill rod before the government won't let you do shit. I refer you to HR 7115.Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@scrappydoo7887
@scrappydoo7887 3 года назад
I like the fact that you drop the gems of unrelated information in the video randomly lol
@steveanderl1144
@steveanderl1144 5 лет назад
Awesome that you take time to make vids like this and others. Thanks Mark
@milesthom3201
@milesthom3201 5 лет назад
This was a great video. It was not totally wasted as we all learned from it. Cheers from UK
@billwild7512
@billwild7512 5 лет назад
I love your work my friend , had me laughing the whole way thru , all the things you do are the things we all seem to do , so easy to relate , cheers big ears
@scottgodwin3288
@scottgodwin3288 4 года назад
Looks like you have very nice shop to work in. That an quality tools makes all the difference in top finished products. Keep the videos coming. Thanks
@SpeedyMercer
@SpeedyMercer 5 лет назад
Why not rifle the blank while it is "soft", heat treat it THEN re-rifle it to get the final size?
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 5 лет назад
Speedy Mercer did you not see the amount of black scale that was on the barrel blanks when they came out of the oven after hardening? Then it would have been almost as bad again, after the half hour in the oven during tempering. This scale would also form on the bore as well. If you were to rifle the barrel before the harden and tempering process the dimensions of the bore less all that scale and crap would be well oversized.
@SpeedyMercer
@SpeedyMercer 5 лет назад
@@samrodian919 that's why I asked, I didn't know.
@notsosilentmajority1
@notsosilentmajority1 3 года назад
Great video, really, but I'm no longer motivated to do this, lol. I think I'll just get a few extra barrels and save them for a rainy day. Mark Serbu, you are awesome man. Thanks for being a regular guy and an honest guy that shows us the good and the bad. Hope you got your money back from Slovenia, Germany, Ukraine or wherever it actually came from. Thanks brother. 👍🏼
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 5 лет назад
Thanks for another video. I'm very grateful of you taking the time to share with us :)
@mikebillman8089
@mikebillman8089 3 года назад
This is one of the greatest most real videos ever.
@user-ej4eq5im4r
@user-ej4eq5im4r 3 года назад
2:37 Ha-ha,I live there! I live in Ukraine and there's workshop close to me that makes barrels and tools to make them You can get rifling button for any caliber for like...400-450 grivnas,its about 15-20 dollars Ed:Im so proud of my country now,its not forgotten at least somewhere ;D ED2: 4:02 By the way,Ukraine didnt want to be part of USSR....And for Russia Ukraine always was more like sourse of food and resources)
@glendunn8881
@glendunn8881 Год назад
Can you post some to me. I'll pay you. You can make profit, I can make profit, we both win. 👍✅🇺🇦🇳🇿
@lobsterbark
@lobsterbark Год назад
@@glendunn8881 The concept of Ukraine being a country didn't exist before the USSR.
@spooksvstheworld6731
@spooksvstheworld6731 4 года назад
Your vids are awesome! Thanks so much. I really enjoy watching them, and lots to learn. 🤘
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 3 года назад
Thanks Mark Serbu, I work in an auto shop and have to press bushings several times a month on a similar 20 ton press that's probably older than both of us! Fun stuff! Would like to get into gunsmithing myself some day 👍
@rezaamini4791
@rezaamini4791 Год назад
Can you make the rifling before the heat treatment?it would be a lot easier i think if it is possible
@3dcreate117
@3dcreate117 11 месяцев назад
There will be a problem with the quality(translation)
@rezaamini4791
@rezaamini4791 11 месяцев назад
@@3dcreate117 you mean warping?
@foghornleghorn3478
@foghornleghorn3478 4 года назад
Love the videos I am a mechanic/ machinist.. for past 26 years build some gun stuff and do alot of machine work for a couple gun Smith's locally .. love the sketch factor you bring to the table keep em coming bud
@davidbean5807
@davidbean5807 5 лет назад
They make a copper gauze that you can get to wrap around your flex hone tip, we used it when honing injection barrels for plastic. Our polishing rods were a little different than the one you are using though,ours were nine to ten feet long and the bore on our barrels were two and a half to three inch, but basically the same process.
@larrygodbold3017
@larrygodbold3017 3 года назад
I love the way you cobble thing together and make it work, just like the rest of us
@moeadi9629
@moeadi9629 4 года назад
Despite all the bad comments below, I believe the right way of learning is thru the failed experiments, thanks for sharing this with us...
@TombstoneHeart
@TombstoneHeart 4 года назад
I have to admit that I haven't learned an awful lot about what to do when making rifled bores, but I have, as sure shit, learned what NOT to do! And I reckon one is just as important as the other, so thanks for that, mate. On to part three.....
@nifty1940
@nifty1940 4 года назад
Awww, come on mate, dontcha know he's actually making peashooters.
@shaesdad56
@shaesdad56 5 лет назад
Mark....LOL Great Video!!! I don't care what anybody else says, you make your videos interesting, informative and most importantly, ENTERTAINING! Thanks buddy, Keep Um Coming! (P.S. The part where you 'Fix' the smoke alarm...Hilarious!!!)
@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
Good afternoon Mark, tell me you previously made the barrel by this method using the button? If so, what buttons did you use? Your method is certainly good, but for 100 dornings, it is not correct, for forging, yes, it is ideal. Since after quenching the metal loses its plasticity. Many people see your method and repeat it and break half of the buttons, even if they do not break the barrel will not be true. If the working part of the button is 9.05, then inside with the hardened billet, at best, 8.95 is from personal experience and this is already an unfit barrel. Yes, maybe our first buttons didn’t look very good, but it was a working tool, now the equipment is replaced and the buttons look perfect and also work, so it doesn’t mean that they are crap, just a little wrong method. Also in Google there is a lot of information about thick-walled daring, the thicker the walls of the workpiece, the better the result, but obviously the metal should be raw, and after the button should be heat treated. Tomorrow I will send a new button and we look forward to a result that will surprise everyone. thank respectfully
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
In my first rifling video I used a button made by Danjon. They've been in business since 1950 and have made rifling buttons for all the major U.S. firearm manufacturers. I'm looking forward to receiving your new button and will give it a fair test!
@kazoolordhd6591
@kazoolordhd6591 5 лет назад
@@markserbu I honestly wondered why you would harden and heat treat before trying to push another hardened piece of steel through, maybe its the proper way in a factory but with some bent tool with un uniform cuts what were you thinking?
@markserbu
@markserbu 4 года назад
@customizing guncollector Give me $300.
@asas-mb4wj
@asas-mb4wj 3 года назад
What kind of reamer are you using before the rifling? I see many different kinds when i look them up. are they bore specific or caliber specific?
@anssi5853
@anssi5853 8 месяцев назад
Would it be easier to first rifling, chamber and after that hardening? why you do hardening first?
@CCW1911
@CCW1911 5 лет назад
Interesting video, I wonder if there is enough torsional load on the button, especially a longer one, to cause the break? I would guess as the button moves forward it kind off relieves some of that but is it enough? I'm imagining some kind of sleeve the barrel rides in that is supported by bearings allowing it to turn if this is a concern and possibly pushing the barrel into the button as a solution.
@AlexanderTzalumen
@AlexanderTzalumen 3 года назад
The vapor sheathe created is called the Leidenfrost effect. There's a bunch of youtube videos displaying it in water.
@ajkurp5919
@ajkurp5919 5 лет назад
Mark, you're inspiring!
@krtichacek
@krtichacek 5 лет назад
LOVE IT!!! This Old Tony has a brother!
@galtutankamon
@galtutankamon 5 лет назад
Cheap rifling buttons from ebay or aliexpress that are made from solid carbide with TiN are well made and much cheaper.
@seanjarnigan8978
@seanjarnigan8978 3 года назад
Watching part one made me think. Could you use high pressure grease behind the button to push it through?
@cornkobmansanto17
@cornkobmansanto17 3 года назад
You're my new favorite. Hands down. I would so love to build firearms!!!
@Pef273
@Pef273 3 года назад
Awesome how real you are about it. Guessing the original flame up was from gas that slipped past the rings
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 5 лет назад
Happy New year!
@rfailing1
@rfailing1 5 лет назад
Great way to fix a smoke detector....good video.....looking forward to part 3.
@ianlevine273
@ianlevine273 5 лет назад
Thanks for another fun video. My guess is based on how far out of round it was when you spun it at the beginning is that jump between the pilot and the button made it bind and barrel forcing in to straight is what broke it. Also, a dumb question, but would it be easier and could you get acceptable results putting in the rifling before you harden it?
@darrellbaxley9315
@darrellbaxley9315 5 лет назад
Lost in translation! Trunks = barrels 6 fields = 6 lands 6 rifling = 6 grooves
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 Год назад
As a blacksmith I use leftover restaurant grease instead of motor oil or quenching oil. There's a bit of smoke, but it smells like french fries. You can also get a slightly harder quench because it's thinner, not much harder, but a bit. I use this on blades, the hardened parts for a flintlock or percussion lock ( I'm a gun builder/gun nut too). I make all kinds of tools, from my own rasps and files to my own cutters and reamers for a hand forged wrought iron barrel. I'm not on RU-vid, but if you want to see a good representation of what I do, watch "the gunsmith of Williamsburg" that will show ya how we used to do it.
@Johnny-jr2lq
@Johnny-jr2lq 5 лет назад
Well I did get a notification for this video so that’s good. Can’t wait for the next video. And Happy new year Mark I Hope 🤞 it’s a great year for ya
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
Happy New Year, same to you!
@kriztov265
@kriztov265 3 года назад
Imagine the round getting its arse torn out through that rifling ... instant bird shot from a 9 mm jacketed round. Thanks for the effort to show the pitfalls Mark.
@MoreAmerican
@MoreAmerican 5 лет назад
0:55 The super low shipping rates are due to US subsidies (USPS) and in a roundabout way the American tax payer. In 2011, the U.S. Postal Service made special agreements with the national postal carriers of China and Hong Kong (and subsequently South Korea and Singapore) to allow tracking-enabled packages not exceeding 36” or weighing over 4.4 pounds to be sent to the U.S. for extremely low rates. They called this shipping option the ePacket, and the rates are so low that it’s cheaper to ship small parcels from China to an American city than it is to send that same parcel domestically.
@kenhawkins8884
@kenhawkins8884 4 года назад
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS---THANKS YOU HAVE SAVED ME ALOT OF MONEY
@gorp27
@gorp27 5 лет назад
I bought one of the Chinese buttons from Ebay to build Professor Parabellum's sheet metal derringer model 3 and it worked smooth as a baby's bottom. I'm not done with the build yet because I'm waiting on music wire for the main spring, but when I complete it I'll post a video.
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
I just got in several of those...can't wait to use them! Seem to be very nice quality and the price is absurdly low. What steel did you use for your barrel?
@gorp27
@gorp27 5 лет назад
@@markserbu According to the plans it says use 12 mm mild steel bar, so I stopped at a tractor supply and picked up what I thought was a grade 5 bolt with a 1/2 inch diameter, now that I looked the only markings on the head is H E R and I can't find any info on its tensile strength, so I may scrap it and start over.
@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
Good day, what is the working diameter of your Chinese button?
@kazoolordhd6591
@kazoolordhd6591 5 лет назад
I have made .22 barrels out of mild steel with no more than 3mm chamber wall thickness, a 12mm round stock bar will be fine
@gorp27
@gorp27 5 лет назад
@@hammerbutton4542 5.6 mm is what I used. www.ebay.com/itm/5-5-11-43mm-Rifling-Button-6-Grooves-Tungsten-Steel-Chamber-Helical-Reamer-Tool/312142699625?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
@notthistimenet
@notthistimenet Год назад
The oil says what? Ha. Thanks Mark for another great vid.
@realsaddamhussain
@realsaddamhussain 4 года назад
in russian trunk and barrel are the same word
@user-ej4eq5im4r
@user-ej4eq5im4r 3 года назад
Not really...In russian there's a lot of words that look and sound same,but mean different things :D
@echobravo5488
@echobravo5488 5 месяцев назад
“It’s almost like they manipulate their currency… I don’t know”😂😂😂 I love you Mark!🤣🤣🤣
@mre.w.2850
@mre.w.2850 5 лет назад
Good flame in oil is a damn decent heat treat is the sign of a nice hardened steel, alot of the old black smiths over here use only old engine oil,
@Karza_357
@Karza_357 Год назад
That rifling button was a mess. Not a good idea to push it trough. But i appreciated that you did it anyway for the video.
@BestFleetAdmiral
@BestFleetAdmiral 5 лет назад
Can’t wait for the next video! I just machined my own button a few days ago but haven’t gotten the chance to test it out yet. If those Chinese ones work then I’ll be glad I don’t have to make any more of those buttons
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
I machined my first button before I'd ever seen a button and I got pretty close. It worked but wasn't great. Even if I were to make one with all that I know now it still wouldn't be worth it of those Chinese buttons are decent at all. So I'm with you for sure.
@garydelnevo6000
@garydelnevo6000 Год назад
Entertaining and informative video. Mark, would you mind telling me about your background?
@markserbu
@markserbu Год назад
Thanks. Background? That would take a while! Do you mean just my shop background?
@notwocdivad
@notwocdivad 6 месяцев назад
Not being a Gunsmith I don't know but why don't you cut the rifling BEFORE Hardening and Tempering the barrel so you are cutting while the metal is comparatively soft??
@markserbu
@markserbu 6 месяцев назад
@notwocdivad I actually answer this question many times in the comments. Also note that button rifling is NOT cutting...
@hitmax087
@hitmax087 6 месяцев назад
@@markserbuanswer once again please, can’t find your responses
@manixriostv7398
@manixriostv7398 4 месяца назад
Good day sir. We're waiting fot you answer. God bless😊
@eltenda
@eltenda 5 лет назад
Great video! Happy New year ,see ya at shot
@myrarothero3738
@myrarothero3738 5 лет назад
Quench vertically not horizontal to minimise distortion.
@TAGCaver1
@TAGCaver1 5 лет назад
I’m wondering if that “sizing” bulb on the tool was supposed to go through first, followed by the fluted section.
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 5 лет назад
Well looking forward for part 3! Those rifling buttons from china do look good. I would like to know if they are any good. Some confusion about their true caliber. The 9 mm looks to be 9 mm makarov, and the 7.62 is that .310 or .308? Is there a 9 mm parabellum button from china? Greetings!
@joewaligator4364
@joewaligator4364 3 года назад
New to the channel. Playing catchup. I push with old allen wrenches when need arises to make my own tools. Im excited to learn how to make my own button. Regards.
@briankerr4512
@briankerr4512 5 лет назад
A question … why can't the rifling be done before the steal is hardened then heat treat the barrel after ?
@harbingerofwarx995
@harbingerofwarx995 5 лет назад
Heat treating changes the diameter. That's why the reaming was done after heat treating; to get it to final inner diameter.
@briankerr4512
@briankerr4512 5 лет назад
ok, Thanks
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
It can, but 4140 at Rc28-30 is actually more conducive to being button rifled than annealed 4140 is. In the annealed state it tends to tear. And yes, the dimensions do change a bit with heat treatment. That being said, I intend to do some experimenting in the next video with heat treating AFTER rifling.
@johnconant1716
@johnconant1716 4 года назад
If you haven't gotten your quench oil yet use canola and preheat it before you quench. Works great for knives.
@davidbean5807
@davidbean5807 5 лет назад
One more helpful hint is get a air jack to put on your press. Makes the job so much easier.
@thomasmiracle7826
@thomasmiracle7826 5 лет назад
Cant wait for the next video
@jong2359
@jong2359 5 лет назад
Yeah, can't wait!
@eribertoacedo9505
@eribertoacedo9505 4 года назад
Hello what you can do as far as heat treating, I worked in a shipyard for over six years we tempered our tools with fish oil works great.🕶
@freedumbsquirts4809
@freedumbsquirts4809 5 лет назад
More bushing for the pushing.
@AK--yx7vj
@AK--yx7vj 5 лет назад
hey mark, when does the new rifling video come out? :)
@owenaero
@owenaero 4 года назад
just wondering have you tried to press it the other way with the long shaft in first using it as a guide the tool unfortunately seems to be junk but with the sizing part in first would that be better ?
@markserbu
@markserbu 4 года назад
No, the whole point of the sizing bump is to smooth down the edges that get kicked up when the button goes through.
@gerritmeester3390
@gerritmeester3390 2 года назад
A few questions/coments. First, the honing. Flex-Hones are available in various grits, so which would be the correct grit to use- 250, 320....? Second, drilling before heat treating/tempering. For a short barrel this seems OK, but for a rifle barrel of say, 600 mm, wouldn't it be better to drill after the heat treating and tempering? The potential distortion and thus reduction in accuracy would, I presume, be considerable in such a length. Drilling after the heat treating and tempering would, I think be better as the bore would be straight even if the bar isn't. Third, the wall thickness. You mentioned a bar OD of about 3/4" (20 mm?) which, assuming a 9 mm calibre, leaves a wall thickness of about 5 mm. Is this sufficient for the rifling process?
@Johnny-jr2lq
@Johnny-jr2lq 5 лет назад
Also I liked your statement about sending a T-shirt to Detroit just thought I would add Detroit native checking in
@DonMeaker
@DonMeaker 3 года назад
In Soviet Ukraine, button rifles you...
@ThomasHA1982
@ThomasHA1982 3 года назад
love your videos! Keep up the good work , even though it is frustrating :-D
@kevinroberson1985
@kevinroberson1985 8 месяцев назад
And I always aneal metal and shape it before tempering makes it lots easier
@max-weber
@max-weber 5 лет назад
Don't feel bad, I bought the same button a while back and got the same results. I even tried blending a "proprietary" lube and pushing the button through a larger-than-saami spec bore! I have had success with cut rifling. I rigged up a "home depot" rifling system that uses a mandrel (aluminum dowel) embedded with a carbide tipped sawzall blade (I used a dremel to cut 3 teeth out of the blade and I also cut a slot into the mandrel to hold the cutter, which can be shimmed to adjust cutting depth). The mandrel is embedded into a larger wooden dowel that fits perfectly inside the I.D. of a PVC pipe. On the PVC pipe I "programmed" a 1 in 10 twist by using a dremel to cut the helix pattern. After installing the wooden dowel in the PVC pipe, I partially sink a screw into it, which guides the mandrel along the programmed path. As long as you aren't taking too deep of a cut, you can manually cut the rifling by hand. You can index the barrel to add as many lands/grooves as you prefer. The rifling will be pretty shallow and won't hold up over time, but it definitely works when I range-tested it (even with just a single groove cut). I still wish these buttons worked better though. I know TheIdahoanShow has successfully button rifled and built a nifty hydraulic press: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nq2Bc2WDsLA.html
@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
Dear friend do not be fooled, Mark used not quite the right methods, and the new video will prove that our buttons are the best, give a photo of the broken button that you broke? I'll send you a new one if it's our fault. I will give above a photo of our button work which was done a week ago. this is the video you put in there.
@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
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@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
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@hammerbutton4542
@hammerbutton4542 5 лет назад
photos in the links is the work of our button a week ago, subject to all recommendations☺This is incomparable to the result of your video!
@aidancantara5162
@aidancantara5162 5 лет назад
Hey Mark, do you have any engineering heavy books you can recommend on design or manufacture? Wondering if you have any go to references or things like that for materials properties or the theoretical side of gunsmithing.
@optimisticnihilist3417
@optimisticnihilist3417 5 лет назад
Seconded
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
+Aidan Cantara That's actually a tough one. I personally believe that design is not necessarily teachable...some people have the ability and some don't. Sure, you can learn about mechanical design elements but putting them all together in your head and into reality is completely different. Now manufacturing is a different story. While a design can be incredibly complex, there are only so many was to produce it. Of course that technology changes all the time (for example there was no additive 3D printing when I was in college) so it's best to get the latest and greatest books on the subject. And any books I could recommend from my college days of nearly three decades ago would be worthless. Assuming I could actually remember any! :-)
@kazoolordhd6591
@kazoolordhd6591 5 лет назад
a trunk is a bad trasnlation of barrel, and in portugese it translates to camera if youre curious
@fw.bagiomotorsport5006
@fw.bagiomotorsport5006 6 месяцев назад
Friend, I'm making a .357mag barrel, ok, the diameter of the hole needs to be 8.80 x 9mm, which is the best steel to get a good result?? I made it with 1045 steel but it wasn't good.
@johncameron4155
@johncameron4155 5 лет назад
when do we see the new video on make your own. good to see
@echobravo5488
@echobravo5488 5 месяцев назад
“You’re not going to beat me”…. That’s my life motto!!!
@stonequarry6977
@stonequarry6977 3 года назад
I always chuckle when I hear a hydraulic press release 😂 "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
@gtfkt
@gtfkt 5 лет назад
You gotta put some molybdenum paste on the button otherwise it will gall and friction weld itself to the barrel blank pretty much instantly.
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
I did that...moly grease.
@drakomalfoy9294
@drakomalfoy9294 2 года назад
Quick question: pre drilling a 9x19 rifled barrel blank -> how much mm should i drill undersized and how deep? Gonna use a finisher reamer afterwards
@konakun7878
@konakun7878 2 года назад
9x19 barrel lands should be 8.82-85mm and grooves between 9.03 to 9.15. For the chamber just use a rougher (reamer) as it will never overcutt and finish it with a finisher.
@Novoa85
@Novoa85 4 года назад
Best part , shooting the fire alarm. I’ve felt like doing that so many times
@DavidMiller-wf5cc
@DavidMiller-wf5cc 5 лет назад
I have built several of my own guns but heat treating was always done after the machining Operations. I think that and using butt loads of lubrication might work. I do share your thought that the quality of the button may not be so great though.
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
Yes, most of my heat treating of gun parts is after heat treat, unless I use 4142 pre-hard. But barrels are almost always done this way unless using a strain-hardening material.
@kevinroberson1985
@kevinroberson1985 8 месяцев назад
Believe this I made a rifler out of a spiral reamer for a 42 in muzzle loader rifle barrel and I use pieces of metal about a foot long with push rod hole in them a couple thousands bigger than my push rods and stack those in pipes to keep them in line and when I ran out of push rod I just added another and a metal guide around it and press it on through and made a buetiful rifle barrel. I used a two foot hydrolic cylinder that works. That's hook to air compressor so there's no hand pumping. I think I will make a extension so it will just press straight through next time. The reason for the pieces around the push rod for the button rifler was to keep the push rod from bending and at the end of the barrel I put a tray with clothe to catch the button when it comes out. And please spray your barrel hole with good oil like Lucas oil and blow it in the open end with a air gun and lube it really good and that will work really well and give you good results. From a friend to a friend. Don't temper your barrel until you button rifle it that way you are rifleing softer metal.
@war_moose5814
@war_moose5814 4 года назад
Mark you scare me but this is awesome!!!!!!!
@Touay.
@Touay. 5 лет назад
Ahhh the engineer in me rally loves the use of old motor oil for the quenching! Also, perhaps if you do any more heat treating, I would be interested to hear if you tap the pieces together before the heat treat and after... does the pitch change?
@markserbu
@markserbu 5 лет назад
I do notice that parts have a more distinctive "ring" when they're hardened, but I have yet to check the pitch change. Next time...
@kweenslandspearo1981
@kweenslandspearo1981 4 года назад
Could they possibly be referring to trunk in the tense of a dowl being similar in nature to a tree trunk?
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