Excellent video. And very good tip about the caliper pins. One with flat surfaces and the other completely round. This video made it very clear how the pins come out and the importance of not mixing them up.
We just did it use the proper pin, grease. Thank you for your video. Saved us a lot of money. Our brakes were dragging for a while had no idea what it was too. I saw your video.
Absolutely excellent video. And now I have to go pull all four wheels on my Honda CRV, pull the calipers, and pull out the pins just to clean and lube them. But it's the right thing to do.. Again, this is an excellent video. You got right to the point. No babbling. No extraneous BS. You just showed what need to be done and you did it. Absolutely perfect.
Your 100% right. I recently pulled apart my front and rear brakes on my used RAV4..... and same deal, looks like the last guy that worked on the brakes just slapped pads on and threw the wheels back on. I removed slider pins, used the correct rubber grease sold by Toyota for the sliders/boots, removed the retainer clips, de-rusted and now the pads and sliders are all moving freely. Unfortunately, in the flat rate world, the only way to get a proper job is to do it yourself.
wow, what a great overview. Our calipers seize up over winter in Cumbria, northern England every year but garages are too lazy to clean pins, they just replace the whole caliper and charge a fortune. This is so generous of you. good luck and good health,
One of my slide pins were siezed. Had to beat it out with a pry bar and hammer. Then spay a bunch of wd40 inside it and work the pin in and out till all the dirt and old grease was gone. Then put in new grease. Good to go.
Thank you for posting this video. There are way too many videos posted by individuals and companies that manufacture greases, which provide incorrect information.
100% Silicone paste is the only thing I'll use anymore! I used Silglyde forever until I used them on those Honda's pins with the rubber bushings. Made them swell and had to replace the bushings a few years later.
@@geologic740 Yep, they were hard as a brick last time I used Silglyde. One was seized up from the rubber bushings being swollen. Caused all kinds of noise. Went to that 3m silicone after that and haven't looked back since.
@@pughconsulting I thought Sil-Glyde was silicon based. I did have a pin frozen on my mazda this summer when I was changing the brakes. I had to use an open end wrench and a 4 pound hammer to pound the pin out. I am pretty sure I used Sil-Glyde about 3 years ago on those pins. I didn't think and put the bracket with the rubber in my parts washer and the rubber boot got twice its size!
@@toddac61 It is but the 3m is 100% silicone paste. Not sure how much silicone is in silglyde. I've used the 3m on several brake jobs since and it's good stuff. Almost gone through an entire bottle and that's a lot of brake jobs. I'll never use anything else on pins. As for the back of the brake pads, I'm using Honda's moly paste. That stuff is plain awesome as well. I quit lubing brake pad "ears" since it just gums up from dirt anyway.
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I've seen countless of times those rubber sleeves on the pins get stuck or swell up and cause issues, I always take em out and buy regular pins, lube them up, clean and lubricate everything and never had any issues
I saw in another video that the rubber sleeve on the lower pin is there as an anti-rattle measure! And that it swells up and causes the pin to stick over time. And that there were no complaints of rattle by customers after the rubber sleeve was discarded!....
In general, they only swell up if the wrong lubricant is used on them. For the record, I don't recommend discarding any part of the brake system. Thanks for the input!
Not talking about the BOOTS. The rubber sleeve / bushing that fits on the lower slide pin. I'm wondering, as that rubber sleeve wears down /deteriorates if it wouldn't cause some binding.
I had no idea mixing them up would be an issue. The pins on my car looks very much identical with no difference. Since lately I've been noticing alittle vibration braking at speeds above 60. I check the rotors but they arent warped. Ran my fingers on them and felt no groove at all, so today I'll get to work n lube the slide pins maybe change brake pads. Thanks big dog 🐕
I also only use silicone paste on the caliper pins. The rest of the parts get cleaned and assembled dry, just as they came from the factory. If there's rust under the brake pad caliper bracket clips I take that down to bare clean metal and then give it a few coats of rust resistant black paint. No lube anywhere but the slider pins.
Always use caliper grease on metal to metal contact points for proper brake overhauls. The pads slide along the clip surfaces and the grease keeps them quiet.
That is the one thing I noticed after watching many vids on doing brake jobs. If you put lube under the bracket clips ( or not) and some vids put a little dab on the brake pad tips where it slides. I do the "dry" method as you have suggested and I use silicone paste on the pins after throughly cleaning the pins and the holes. I still do all my own auto servicing at age 68 but the day is coming when I will have to "bow out" as the floor is getting further away as I age and when I'm on it, getting up takes much longet too! But..... I still enjoy it.......- just takes longer.
Dave, thanks for the tips. I always do them one at a time but I don't recall the manual on mitchel saying they were different. I will have to check and then recheck the brake job I just accomplished on both my Hondas. Thanks for the info and you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a happy and safe new year. ❤️
You generally will not find it in Honda service info under brake pad/rotor replacement, you have to look under caliper overhaul to find this type of info (don't tell anybody I told you!). Thanks for the comment Arthur!
And regular old grease can react to some rubbers that are used on slide pins and can cause them to seize up, but hey you do whatever you like. We used to watch black and white TVs too.....
As much as it's easy to put things back the way you found them, it relies on the assumption that the last guy put them in correctly. Dealer service manuals should help.
Super Lube is good stuff, I've been using it on Honda and Toyota. No problems with Super Lube or 3M. I would like to test and find out which one lasts longer, just do not have the time.
Even if you do them one at a time, there is no guarantee they will be correct - the person who did it before you may have mixed them up. The only certain way is to follow OEM documentation.
I have a question that I can't find an answer to. Why are the top and bottom pins different? I don't see any difference in the slide tubes, just the pins. And as you say, sometimes they are reversed at the factory. What's the engineering reason behind the slight differences? Also, on our Honda Odyssey 2003, there is space for the little rubber seal on one of the pins, but the seal's not there. From what I've read it's an anti-rattle piece, but not important if you have it on or not. Even searching Honda for parts, shows a difference between the upper and lower pin, but without explanation for the two slide pins. It feels like on off our pins doesn't seat the same, and I wonder if that little rubber gasket is stuck inside one of the tubes? I'll check it with a pick. If anyone is curious what is the correct order is, you can can to a Honda parts site, and the caliper detail shows the different pins and proper location. Just look for the groove on one of the pins. Thanks for the great video.
i was doing a brake and rotor job on my 08 element. the boots in the rear were torn before i got there. my new package came with enough booths for 2 brakes and it came with 2 slide pin bushings. which pin gets the bushing? a or b?
hi may I ask do you know how the pin for honda crv caliper grease pin... in your video you mention mix up 2 pin lower and upper.. is there anyway I can find out where pin go for passenger or driver ! thanks sir
Pins Bottom flat sides 2002 honda accord 3.0l v6 sedan Looks like that in the manual Top much more boingyness Bottom less movement Both cleaned regreased new rubber boots Top much more springyness Botton slotted doesnt move as much Normal ? Awesome video
I have a 2008 Honda Civic LX sedan automatic. There is a caliper slide pin on both sides with a black bushing tip. My question: Does the pin with the black bushing tip go on the top or bottom? I had very premature brake wear and I'm wondering if the pins were installed in the incorrect spot.
On those Civics, there should be a pin with flat sides (pin A), they go in the bottom position. Pin B will usually be smooth all the way around and sometimes have a rubber bushing at the end and it goes in the top position on that generation Civic. It is the same for front and rear.
Great educational video👍 Any way you can tell which one is A or B if the sliding pins get mixed up from the factory or if someone else did a brake job and mix them up? Thx.
Honda does not do it one certain way, even on the same year and model so there is no easy way to tell unless you already know that car or look at service info for that make/model/trim level. This is why I always recommend doing them one at a time. Thanks for the comment!
So I have a 2005 Accord; got front pads with rotors resurfaced. But now been noticing when I slightly push the brake I hear a grinding side on the left side a bit, don’t know if it’s cut wrong or if it’s warped. But I took it back to the shop. They didn’t see anything, re-grease the bolts the noise went away for a bit and now it’s back again. What could this be? I’m thinking of just replacing the rotor itself
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Hey how’s it going big dog one question unfortunately I was the one that took both pins out and I don’t know which one goes where I do have one of the pins with the rubber it’s an 06 odyssey is there anyway you can help me
Hey, your videos are very helpful. I just did my brakes. One of my caliper pin boots has a tiny hole and it squeezed out some silicone paste. Should I replace the boot or just leave it?
Well it figures. I just changed my brakes front and rear on my CRV last weekend and now I'm wondering if I mixed these up. Pretty sure I did them one at a time....I think.
I wish you would have shown how the slide pin with the flat sides fits in the caliper. If only 2-3 sides are flat there must be a specific way in which they go in.
If it is 100% silicone paste then it is probably ok, the 3M silicone paste I use says it is dielectric grease. Unfortunately I can't wee what you are using so I can't say for certain. Thanks for the comment!
Generally, you don't need to bleed the brakes when doing a standard brake job unless you opened up the system. If I need to bleed the system I will do all 4.
I replaced the pads on my moms 2004 civic but the metal guide pin on one side was on top and the other in the bottom. Would you know which is the correct one?
For really bad ones, I use a small nylon pipe brush (that fits inside) and lots of brake cleaner and then dry with compressed air. For normal ones I just spray brake cleaner inside and dry it with compressed air.
Great video tips on brakes, thanks Big Dog! A shop resurfaced my rotors and put new pads. But now I get a creaking noise while pressing the brakes. Could it be the shop forgot to regrease my caliper guide pins?
Absolutely. They didn't forget. They either are in a hurry, and do not care , or they were never trained in proper brake caliper glide pin overhaul. That is the reason why he made this video. Happens every day at shops everywhere.
Thank you very much. In my country they do not sell this type of lubricante (the silicon nor the ceramic) . Would it be okay if I put the grease they put on CV Axels? Thanks for answering.
If we mixed them up on accident like I did. And used wrong grease. What can I do to fix it? How can I find the correct order? Mine are seised and my brakes make scraping noise after stop and make weird noise when braking too. Please help. I have 01 civic ex sedan
Either clean the caliper brake bores, and pins, or if they are ruined, you will have to replace the caliper brackets, and new pins with replacement rubber kit.
@Big Dog50001 Automotive at 5:13 you said that you cleaned out the bores for the caliper slide pins. How did you do that? And how do get the rotors off if they are rusted to the hub?
Tapping around the rotor with a hammer usually knocks them loose (they also makes tools to take them off too). I usually clean the bores by spraying brake cleaner inside the bores, sometimes need to use a pipe type cleaning rod in addition to brake cleaner too. Rusted ones can sometimes be cleaned out with sandpaper and a dremel like tool to get the rust out, otherwise they would have to be replaced.
@@BigDog50001 I use a gun bore cleaning cylindrical wire brush attached to a drill to clean out the bracket bores , flushing generously with brake cleaner
can you tell me which side pin goes where i got Honda CRV 2004 and noticed my pins are mixed up there are different one of them is round and smooth the other pin is with three lengthways flats on it , i was told every CRV model have them in different position depend on the year , also some of the rear aftermarket pins in the package they are with the tree flats ( mine were one flat and one circle pin ) i hope that makes sense and you can help me thanks !
Yes, they can be different depending on year, trim level and brake manufacturer (Honda uses several OEM manufacturers). Don't just go by what I say, always double check but here is some info: 2004 CR-V *FRONT* calipers: Top Pin (A) should have flat sides Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth (and I believe they have a rubber bushing on end). 2004 CR-V *REAR* calipers: Top Pin (A) should have flat sides Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth.
Sometimes they are sold separately depending on model and other times they are sold as part of a kit. Honda usually wants to sell them as part of a kit. Thanks for the comment!
Hi there I am new to DIY.. tried doing the lubrication of pins, but took out both pins on both front wheels at same time without keeping track. My question is on one car, are these pins are installed the same way on all the 4 wheels. I can easily pull out the rear wheel ones to see how they are put in the rear and then make sure the front ones align the same way. You help will be appreciated. TYIA
Those slide pins aren’t what allow the brake pads to move it’s the piston inside the caliper that extends when you put your foot on the brake pedal. Those bolts just go through the caliper frame , And the only time those slide pins may move is with any torsion or vibration that may affect the caliper/pads from being perfectly parallel to the rotor
You can't typically see the safety glasses I use which is why I mention them from time to time, but you can usually see the gloves in my videos but I suppose I could mention them too. Although I use dust masks a lot and there is nothing wrong with using them on brake jobs, they don't make for very good videos if you can't understand what I am saying. In my opinion, best practice for brakes is to spray everything down with brake cleaner first before any work is done (eliminating dust is better than relying on a filter).
@@BigDog50001 Never saw your reply. You can use soapy water with alcohol and spray all over the brakes if you don't like the smell of brake cleaner and is cheaper as well.
