Honey Lantree | What Was It Like Being a Female Drummer in 1964? 

She has beautiful voice also. If only we had these problems today. I'd give everything. Let's go back to 60s and 70s. When music was music

@@annettebolec6940this was a story of 4 men and 1 woman

Have I the Right is still popular with the youngsters even today. One young lady began a dance which others picked up on.

100% why should not HONEY Be Drummer , HONEY I LOVE ❤️ YOU , KEEP ON DRUMMING !!! ,

Honey was not a gimmick. Like Kamala today... Let The Ladies Do Their Best, Whatever They Do!

Karen Carpenter once said that watching Honey Lantree on Shindig is what inspired her to take up drums so your guess was correct.

I hope you're still playing ma'am! There's a local music academy dedicated to teaching young girls to play rock. Worthy cause I say

three I love it I'm 74 years old I love it keep on rocking I heard it since I was 16 or 14

I was a very little girl when this record came out and my brother and I thought it was so cool that they had a female drummer.

Do you still play? You should upload some of your playing

Society's expectation at that era was killing the aspirations of many girls and ladie who wanted to play musical instruments that are associated with "only boys play them" stereotype. It took almost 2 decades later to break the stereotype for good during the height of glam rock and new romantics genres.

I support an excellent young and highly talented German drummer called Sina Doering (Sina Drums) who has 1.5 million followers online 🥁🎤🎧

Don’t forget Sylvia Saunders from The Liverbirds.

@@kylegreen3247 Or Dottie Dodgion, who began playing drums in the 50s.

And Karen Carpenter who could drum and sing beautifully...

Would it were so Tom. Now it's about the Look and the Image. Music comes a very poor third, shame to say.

thank for that!!!..you said it all 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😊

Same. What's the big deal? Leave her alone for god's sakes. She's doing her thing. Leave her be. ---- edited to say no one went dizzy and got hard ons when Karen Carpenter played drums, and was the lead singer.

@@bluesoulpaul and what's even worse, yuu aren't even required to be able to sing. Complex computer programs take care of all of that. Semi pretty face, and a body that's basically out of proportion is all that's required. Gosh we're deep in the sludge pit. Sad.

I've never understood anyone having a problem with anyone doing any type of career. Effing tribalism.

God bless honey and all the rest of the group rest in peace all of God bless forever

Really?!?! This is just for stupidos!👀🤡

And there still are virtually none, at least when the group consists of a male singer. the white stripes is the only one that comes to mind

Joe Meek was brilliant his end, and that of his poor landlady was very sad.

Very true, Brian, but the Carpenters were also dismissed and ridiculed by some DJ's back in the day. Too corny and too saccharine were some of the adjectives used to denigrate them.

@@davidbarnett9312 always thought that they were lame and still do. As a drummer. She wasn't all that give me a break.

".....great drummer"? Come on, now, you must be a relative or something.

"Eyes" is a great song indeed. It was actually banned by the BBC at the time, don't really know why.

@@YesterdaysPapers It's a creepy song. But then again, the BBC tended to ban things at the drop of a hat. They must have been some seriously uptight people at that establishment at the time. Maybe that's another idea for a video. You did that great one on death songs that were banned (that later became hits). Food for thought.. Cheers.

@@YesterdaysPapers I’m sure I read somewhere that some at the bbc thought it was about gay dating (!) don’t hear it in the song myself.....

Great track unfortunately starved of airplay as it was a gay anthem ahead of its time...

@@mikelewis1436 I've since read that the song was inspired by an incident in a gay bar, but it's so ambiguous lyrically that I don't see any possible reason to ban it if you weren't in on the inside story. Famously 'You've Got to Hide Your Love Away' and 'See My Friends' also have apparently homosexual connotations (quite possibly, and kudos to both Lennon and Davies for broadening the pop landscape if that was the case) Yeah, 'Eyes' -- a truly intriguing song. I never knew that it was banned.

and Alice de Buhr of Fanny

Yeah, much better nowadays, where the audience is much more critical than the press could ever be, right?

Check out the 80s UK film Pop Gear AKA Go Go Mania. It hipped me to The Honeycombs, and other groups of the day.

Thanks, Jon!

High hats!

Yes both !

Read that many times too but it's refuted by Honeycombs' founder Martin Murray, who said it was chosen because it was something sweet, like the band, and nothing to do with hairdressing/combs.

Regardless of what is reported...The Honeycombs was so named using the name of their drummer; Miss Honey Lantree & her profession...at the time she joined the band...of a hair-dresser. THIS IS FACT. Best regards, Ben

You will see at 3:17 that her real name was Anne Margot Lantree.

Hahaha!

Very bizarre story, no doubt. What a character and what a pioneer.

@@YesterdaysPapers I've got the DVD of his biopic movie "Telstar". It's all in there.

If you are interested in Joe Meek...You should get a hold of the book Joe Meeks Bold Techniques by Barry Cleveland. ..Joe was a really interesting guy when it came to music making...Genius in fact.

Wow. Didn't know anything about them. Thanks! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lsoXZMuoUp4.html

Goldie Zelkowitz… Genya’s real name Was big Band Drummer Les DeMerle’s girlfriend for several years! And now you know the rest of the story! In fact that Zildjian cymbal medallion you see Genya wearing On the front cover of the 10 Wheel Dr. album was a gift to her from Les who got it from the ZILDJIAN factory! They were promotional mini cymbal necklaces That were issued as part of a promotion for the Buddy Rich band of the late 60s! Les had a few I even had one but it got stolen they were very cool I wish ZILDJIAN would re-issue them but look at the cover of the 10 Wheel Dr. album the self titled album and she’s wearing a little round medallion looking thing that’s a Zildjian cymbal medallion she got from her thenboyfriend Les De Merle! In fact I remember Les telling me that he introduced her to some of those guys who would become 10 Wheel Dr.!

There was Mo Tucker around 1966/67.

@@YesterdaysPapers That’s true! But I always considered the velvet underground very obscure band, they never got on the United States charts higher than 150 in the top 200

@@michaelrochester48 That's true, but despite their lack of contemporary commercial success, the Velvets are immortal today!

There was Sylvia Saunders in The Liverbirds in 1963

Then came Sheila E in the 80's who came from a family of percussionists.

To be pedantic, it was Heinz Burt's shotgun. Apparently he had taken it into the studio while recording because he didn't want to leave it in his car, then forgot to take it away again.

@@johnnhoj6749 Not pedantic, just accurate.

she was better than many male drummers of the time

Anyone is better than Dave Clark. Session drummer Bobby Graham played on their records

I’m surprised that no one else brought up the “issue” about Dave Clark in these comments.

Hard to say. There were always some very rough people in the music business, as Bobby Fuller found out when he tried to break off a deal with an LA club and as Tommy James had to face when he realized that he was owned by the mob. But was there anyone of that ilk who considered Meek important enough to sabotage? He was a genius, but a paranoid one, who, upon meeting Phil Spector, immediately accused him of wanting to steal Meek's secrets. This was, after all, a guy who shot his landlady over something she might have seen in an appointment book. Then again, as the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

@@pcno2832 Yeah , Meek went overboard with people but everybody has a dark side especially muscians. In the late and early 50s , Meek was a threat to the majors in England because his songs kept charting high and they did'nt like that. They either usually buy you out or do some nasty things. As a rule , no business man would invest in entertainment or music because there is too much risk. So the mob would come in and do it out of ego thing than making money. They were all runned by the the mob. The only diffrence between major and independent label is that the majors were runned by hi profile mob or elite like EMI , Decca etc. The stock holders were just as shady and had their own agenda just like today , nothing has change , ha ha.

Yes, she inspired me!! Played for over 30 yrs. RIP Honey Lantree.

Thanks, Willie. I wish I had a 45 of "Have I the Right". I agree, it probaby sounds killer. I've got a few 45s from the early 60s and they sound amazing. After all, all those songs were equalized, mixed and mastered with 45s in mind.

@@YesterdaysPapers Oh yeah, those old 45's sound great. First, all analog. And from what I've read, all things being equal, the same song at 45 will sound better than at 33 1/3. Of course, just how much better is in the ears of the listener. I have a couple of classic jazz albums, originally on 33 of course, released as 2 45's on an audiophile label. They do sound terrific. Only drawback is you have to change the record 4 times and that sort of interrupts the flow.

@@willieluncheonette5843 Yep, the quality is superior. I've heard about these audiophile reissues on 45.

@@YesterdaysPapers One of those I have is Saxophone Colossus. I must say I've never heard a drum solo so immediate and so realistic as Max Roach's solo break on St. Thomas. I play it for friends and they're in awe of the sound quality.

The Liver Birds were a lesser-known all-female Merseybeat group, including drummer. There are a few videos of them on youtube.

you forgot one of the most relevant drummers in Rock n Roll being Maureen Tucker of Velvet Underground

Karen Carpenter was an amazing drummer, too. Her chops could match the best of 'em. Check out some of her drumming vids here, and prepare to be blown away.

Well Ringo turned out to be a bit of a twat didnt he

Grace Slick comes to mind when thinking of bands with only one female (especially a 60s band). With Great Society and Jefferson Airplane. The Airplane went gold with their debut LP with their first female lead singer Signe Toly Anderson. When Anderson dropped out to raise her newborn, Slick joined the Airplane and brought their two biggest hits "White Rabbit" and "Somebody to Love" onto their next album, Surrealistic Pillow. Slick not only sang lead on some of the songs but played the recorder and piano.

Agreed, great song.

Completely agree. My first thought upon hearing Color Slide many years ago was "why was this not released as the follow up single to Have I the Right"? Would likely have been just as big a hit....guess we'll never know. Perhaps somebody out there has a deeper insight into why it was left as an album track?

I think you might be confusing the BBC documentary with the feature film. The documentary is on youtube.

@@johnnhoj6749 No confusion on my part. I checked the details that I mention on IMDb, and recall watching it vividly. I’ve seen it since, too. I know nothing of a documentary. I’m sure it did receive a cinema release, too, as many BBC funded films do. What’s the documentary that you refer to, called?

And Alice de Buhr (Fanny)

And Maureen "Moe" Tucker from the Velvet Underground. Musician Cam Forrester did an hour long documentary on her on his channel, which I highly recommend!

Don't forget the insanely talented Sheila E.

@@peasanttoast I had a mind block earlier and was trying to remember Sheila E. and Moe Tucker.

@@damianoakes2592 Moe was part of one of the most influential bands of modern music. In fact I think 'Loaded' suffered from her absence due to pregnancy. It's the Velvet Underground album I listen to the least.

@tecdessus Compare him to the ultra good looking group the Searchers, they had longer lasting power, maybe they just had better songs but they were definitely more photogenic

It sure looks intentional to me. :-)